So, can we make noise about Miqote ears and hats?

It's miserable at how bad square is when it comes to equipment and characters with tails/ears.

I'm sorry but if you release a game with races that have unique body parts that need minor adjustments to gear in order for them to work then you should have factored that into the equation before releasing said races. It's inexcusable that Square and the devs have been skirting around this issue for years now. Complete and utter laziness imo. I really, really wish they would do a single patch cycle/version (not a major patch.. just like, a .5 or something) that's entirely about just... fixing the various things like this. Go through and spitshine everything across all races and genders, y'know?

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Hats have been a problem for Miqo'te for at least as long as Hrothgar and Viera have been a thing. You didn't have a chance to presciently warn other players of some future event.

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Specifically, they stopped caring about Miqo'te ears when ShB dropped. The same time we got Hrothgar and Viera. So it's literally the same issue at the same time.

Not sure what changed at Shadowbringers launch, but SE clearly hasn't cared about racial features much since then. It's very disappointing too. There are several headpieces that came out in EW that have somewhat comparable ARR gear, and the ARR gear is better because it doesn't lop the ears that should obviously be there off. I expect better quality as the game gets more popular, not worse.

It's also difficult to chalk it up to anything except taking shortcuts and/or laziness, as reluctant as I am to ever say that about any game development.

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Specifically, they stopped caring about Miqo'te ears when ShB dropped. The same time we got Hrothgar and Viera. So it's literally the same issue at the same time.

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There were Stormblood sets that cut off Miqo'te ears. It's definitely an older issue than just ShB.

There have also been a few pieces lately that cut off our tails. Put both on and you can be a Midlander with different animations.

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Specifically, they stopped caring about Miqo'te ears when ShB dropped. The same time we got Hrothgar and Viera. So it's literally the same issue at the same time.

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I mean, the answer is obvious. They've caved in and released two races that should have never been released.

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I mean, the answer is obvious. They've caved in and released two races that should have never been released.

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Hold it there, girlie. When you say "Caved in", you're implying both races were demanded by fans. Only one of them was. Yoshida stated very clearly that Hrothgar were their own project and that they wanted to add it to the game (it, or at least a beast race entirely, as they experimented with the Lupines prior to see how people would react to their inclusion). It was fans asking for Viera for years since them unveiling discarded artwork for playable Vieras that had them reconsider and add them as the female counterpart to Hrothgar.

Say what you will about Viera, that's for Viera players to justify. But Hrothgar were intended to be added with them experimenting since literally the making of Stormblood. Meaning they wouldn't have gone through it if they didn't think it was feasible. At no point is this the race's fault. But rather the decisions taken and the organization status of the group making this game.

Otherwise, look into a mirror, please. You're literally playing a race they added after ARR with several discarded designs yourself. Were Au Ra a race that should never have been released? What, with all the clipping you guys have with your horns and by your standards, could have fooled me.

The answer isn't obvious.

And it sure as hell doesn't justify what they're now doing to Miqo'te.

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I mean, the answer is obvious. They've caved in and released two races that should have never been released.

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Oh please, saying miqos don’t have ear holes because a massive game company added two races is incredibly ridiculous.

There are single people out there that can create that mod. They could literally hire the modder if they so wanted, this has nothing to do with us and we are waiting three years for crap.

You’re all making it really hard to have sympathy, yes offense, especially as it was already mentioned how ok it is for you to come on Viera threads and talk about your issues, but how we are shut down when we do the same and even blamed for something that could have been solved if the priorities and income was added back to this game and not whatever other games they are starting.

But yes lets turn against each other, thats always a smart move, no don’t bother trying to hold accountable where your money gets put into, blame the playerbase.

It's why I eventually became a lalafell on my main
Not having my ears correctly poke through hats frustrates me to no end

Viera & Hroth suffer the same issues - hats are simply no longer made for miqo'te & they were never made with au ra in mind
And Viera & Hrothgar are an afterthought on a forgotten backburner

The only way to get traction is to read what I've just wrote & keep making noise & asking those questions over & over.
This game company can absolutely give us a better character creator
It can absolutely give us outfits designed better for beast races in mind

But it won't because threads like this are far to few & the same type of noise needs to be made on the JP forum & other forums as well.
Keep at it- I do with my hairstyle threads because If I don't noone else will

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Oh please, saying miqos don’t have ear holes because a massive game company added two races is incredibly ridiculous.

There are single people out there that can create that mod. They could literally hire the modder if they so wanted, this has nothing to do with us and we are waiting three years for crap.

You’re all making it really hard to have sympathy, yes offense, especially as it was already mentioned how ok it is for you to come on Viera threads and talk about your issues, but how we are shut down when we do the same and even blamed for something that could have been solved if the priorities and income was added back to this game and not whatever other games they are starting.

But yes lets turn against each other, thats always a smart move, no don’t bother trying to hold accountable where your money gets put into, blame the playerbase.

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I do agree with Sassy here. Playing the blame game is very unproductive and doesn't do anything but divide us on a problem that should really unite us all. I know many people who'd like to play as Hroth or Viera but are put off by the current limitations. As mentioned above, the racial neutralizing of outfit designs goes further back than when Viera and Hrothgar were added. The complete lack of Viera and Hrothgar hats is just exacerbating the situation, but it all began with Miqo'te. This concern should affect the entire playerbase and none of us should want a future for our loved game where every race is just a huyr with a different face and running animations.

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Hold it there, girlie. When you say "Caved in", you're implying both races were demanded by fans. Only one of them was. Yoshida stated very clearly that Hrothgar were their own project and that they wanted to add it to the game (it, or at least a beast race entirely, as they experimented with the Lupines prior to see how people would react to their inclusion). It was fans asking for Viera for years since them unveiling discarded artwork for playable Vieras that had them reconsider and add them as the female counterpart to Hrothgar.

Say what you will about Viera, that's for Viera players to justify. But Hrothgar were intended to be added with them experimenting since literally the making of Stormblood. Meaning they wouldn't have gone through it if they didn't think it was feasible. At no point is this the race's fault. But rather the decisions taken and the organization status of the group making this game.

Otherwise, look into a mirror, please. You're literally playing a race they added after ARR with several discarded designs yourself. Were Au Ra a race that should never have been released? What, with all the clipping you guys have with your horns and by your standards, could have fooled me.

The answer isn't obvious.

And it sure as hell doesn't justify what they're now doing to Miqo'te.

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Honestly, I wouldve just been happy if they kept with the original base races, at least then they wouldve given better attention to all of them and keep with the uniqueness of the usual archetypes. This is total contraversial opinion on my part yes but playable Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera were a mistake on their end.

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Honestly, I wouldve just been happy if they kept with the original base races, at least then they wouldve given better attention to all of them and keep with the uniqueness of the usual archetypes. This is total contraversial opinion on my part yes but playable Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera were a mistake on their end.

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Maybe. But the damage is done, and constantly bickering about the race isn't gonna make this any better. Besides, it's normal for MMOs to introduce new races from time to time.

On that aspect, shouldn't you also include male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn in that list? :p They were added due to fan demand past 1.0. hehe.

Ok but no seriously. To those people who have the mindset Azuri has, tough; those races aren't going anywhere and they have people who love playing them. As do every other race. And if anything, I'd argue these races contribute the most to the game having visual diversity. Personally, that's something to be celebrated. And under no circumstance were these races the reason things aren't being done for them or other races.

Square Enix operates under Agile Development. At some point when planning out their Sprints, they should have planned for these races and the races that already existed. They chose not to. They chose to focus on other things instead, and even those didn't always come out "peachy". I understand budget, I understand timing, I understand minimal requirements and I understand that not everything is up to the team itself to decide and do. But just because those are understandable, it doesn't stop them from being hindrances that should have been accounted for. And those are far more believable than blaming the races for their state and that of others.

Say whatever you want about WoW. At least the races there actually feel unique.

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I mean, the answer is obvious. They've caved in and released two races that should have never been released.

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Surely you mean 3 races? Au ra are also in the same boat.

I wonder how much money they're throwing out with this? I totally would have paid for street gear just for the backwards ball cap. But what's this? No ears? I'll pass. I can't be the only one.

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Surely you mean 3 races? Au ra are also in the same boat.

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Actually a great point. Yeah, they shouldn't have bitten more than they can chew.

Got me thinking even, maybe they have approached the issue from the wrong angle. The thing that should have just been removed in 6.0 were hats. They are kinda ugly anyway and maybe we could have had higher quality body gear instead.

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The thing that should have just been removed in 6.0 were hats.

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We all know they kept hats to make Zero look edgier.

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Honestly, I wouldve just been happy if they kept with the original base races, at least then they wouldve given better attention to all of them and keep with the uniqueness of the usual archetypes. This is total contraversial opinion on my part yes but playable Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera were a mistake on their end.

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i hate posts like this because they address nothing and it just spits on those with valid complaints.
they're here and they're here to stay. it doesn't matter if you would've been just fine with the og races (although no offense but as far as i can tell you -weren't- around when the og races /were/ the og races unless this is an alt account in which case i apologize) -- what matters is that they exist.

additionally mitoques /are/ og races and they're suffering as well. not as severely as the others you listed... although ironically i see that you play male roe. how's it feel being a race that's consistently forgotten about and never taken into account when it comes to housing items? hope you're not having too much trouble struggling to use stairs or lofts.

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although ironically i see that you play male roe. how's it feel being a race that's consistently forgotten about and never taken into account when it comes to housing items? hope you're not having too much trouble struggling to use stairs or lofts.

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I think that's his alt. He had a male Highlander Hyur until quite recently as his profile image.

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I think that's his alt. He had a male Highlander Hyur until quite recently as his profile image.

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I have alts, I just got tired of having my highlander as my forum image

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how's it feel being a race that's consistently forgotten about and never taken into account when it comes to housing items? hope you're not having too much trouble struggling to use stairs or lofts.

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I don't have a male Roegadyn among my character collection, but as a Midlander setting up house decorations, my impression was that everything is ludicrously oversized because they must be catering to all sizes of races.

Kitchen chairs are more medium-sized, I guess, but benchtops are tall and armchairs are huge.

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i hate posts like this because they address nothing and it just spits on those with valid complaints.
they're here and they're here to stay. it doesn't matter if you would've been just fine with the og races (although no offense but as far as i can tell you -weren't- around when the og races /were/ the og races unless this is an alt account in which case i apologize) -- what matters is that they exist.

additionally mitoques /are/ og races and they're suffering as well. not as severely as the others you listed... although ironically i see that you play male roe. how's it feel being a race that's consistently forgotten about and never taken into account when it comes to housing items? hope you're not having too much trouble struggling to use stairs or lofts.

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Yeah and it sucks! miqoute and au ra are like the most represented (and overrated) races in this game and they still do them dirty. We'll like you said, not as much as the other races but they they seem to just not care with visual realism with Au Ra and their giant protruding horns on their headgear and its confusing why they dont use that same philosophy for ear clipping for the other races that need them.

Yeah I have my personal tastes and I just felt like sharing them but I never said that they shouldnt fix their issues to satisfy the players that do like playing as them. I want people to enjoy their characters as much as I enjoy mines. I just dont like giving modders too much credit either.

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I don't have a male Roegadyn among my character collection, but as a Midlander setting up house decorations, my impression was that everything is ludicrously oversized because they must be catering to all sizes of races.

Kitchen chairs are more medium-sized, I guess, but benchtops are tall and armchairs are huge.

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:) I wish.

I really f**** wish....

Legit. Try playing a Roegadyn. VERY few furniture pieces actually fit you. And the issue isn't even just that, the space you got to work with is tiny. Often you need to resort to large spaces and limit your decorations so that characters can have space to move, which gimps how much you can do with the space and how much you can do with the decorations of your already-limited space.

And don't get me started on doing it for an entire FC of large characters, because then you're just begging for minimalism. I go into a Lalafell's house and I'm absolutely flabbergasted at how much they managed to do. But that's fine. I go to venues designed by Miqo'te, Elezen, Au Ra and Hyurs, and though it's nowhere near as elaborate as a Lalafell's house, it's still pretty sleek. Roegadyn and Hrothgar houses are either cramped or they clearly had to go wide. And you can tell the difference as a "slim" character, because you go there, and a whole battallion of you can fit in there.
Meanwhile on a normal day it's just me and my boyfriend with barely enough room to fit in a Miqo'te.

It feels so bad when you have that new Ishgardian outdoor thermal baths decoration and you alone take up a third of the space.

So idk where you think things are ludicrously oversized; stuff has to fit everyone. But it's rare that it fits us xD The only generic things I know tend to fit us are some couches, the beds and stuff like lofts.

I wish we could resize decorations! BUT that'd imply we needed larger houses, and that's just not happening :x

ALSO on the topic of armchairs, why do Roegadyn and Hrothgar sit at the very tip??? Boi, you big chonk, move back @@ make use of the space!

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Yeah and it sucks! miqoute and au ra are like the most represented (and overrated) races in this game and they still do them dirty. We'll like you said, not as much as the other races but they they seem to just not care with visual realism with Au Ra and their giant protruding horns on their headgear and its confusing why they dont use that same philosophy for ear clipping for the other races that need them.

Yeah I have my personal tastes and I just felt like sharing them but I never said that they shouldnt fix their issues to satisfy the players that do like playing as them. I want people to enjoy their characters as much as I enjoy mines. I just dont like giving modders too much credit either.

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One thing I will say, Atelier, is that there is a difference between expressing your personal tastes and being caustic. Which of the following do you think will have a more negative reaction from people?

"Hrothgar and Viera are not my cup of tea, and I personally think their inclusion has led to some setbacks that we now can't easily resolve. But I support what little they can get, within reason."

"Hrothgar and Viera were a mistake and shouldn't have ever been made. Square's dug a hole since making them and now we're stuck with these crap decisions. But people like them, so they should satisfy them."

Also ._. I don't think people mentioned modders, or glorified them that recently in this thread? But... I'll admit I haven't been reading everything. Either way, like I told you on the Accessibility thread, there are people who enjoy the game completely mod-free, even on PC. Even among these races. I understand these are the races that attract modders the most, but they shouldn't be given much credit. Instead, Square should be aware of the problem and direct resources to it.


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I would also like to apologize for the absolute derailment this thread has gone from Miqo'te to arguing about other races. Considering I'm the one who has had the biggest hand in it thus far, I'm sorry. I'll just leave this here and then pitch in only when it's about actually addressing stuff that speaks about the Miqo'te experience. I've played a Sun Seeker when I started the game, I know the worst they had was clipping. This is now more than that, and that's not okay.

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So idk where you think things are ludicrously oversized; stuff has to fit everyone.

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Ludicrously oversized as a Midlander, I said. And it is.

Not every piece of furniture, but there are some things that really stand out.

My Midlander doesn't have a house now, but my Miqo'te is around the same height and does have a house. The orchestrion is tall enough he couldn't reach the top of it; the grandfather clock is twice his height; the spiral staircase has knee-high steps and gaps he could slip right through. The Mummer's Shelf has a coat-hook he'd need a ladder to reach. The kettle on the Manor Oven stove is twice as big as his head – or eight times as big by volume.

I won't continue through everything, but those are the sorts of things I had in mind when I said that.

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Ludicrously oversized as a Midlander, I said. And it is.

Not every piece of furniture, but there are some things that really stand out.

My Midlander doesn't have a house now, but my Miqo'te is around the same height and does have a house. The orchestrion is tall enough he couldn't reach the top of it; the grandfather clock is twice his height; the spiral staircase has knee-high steps and gaps he could slip right through. The Mummer's Shelf has a coat-hook he'd need a ladder to reach. The kettle on the Manor Oven stove is twice as big as his head – or eight times as big by volume.

I won't continue through everything, but those are the sorts of things I had in mind when I said that.

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Nah, it's fine. That was me ranting because @w@ I have a love-hate relationship with FF14 Housing.

I think it's "okay" for some stuff. Like... aren't grandfather clocks meant to be large? o: And I do know that the beds are huge. But then you get onto a Roegadyn and it's like "lol tiny". And that'd be fine... if it worked out.

The issue, which I think you should read the rest bc it is sort of relevant to what you said, was that you implied stuff was big because of the bigger races. Hence why it's oversized for you. But then you get the experience of an actually big character, and it's a detriment.

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but my Miqo'te is around the same height and does have a house. The orchestrion is tall enough he couldn't reach the top of it;

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Miqo'te are short; not a bug, it's a feature. :rolleyes:

Pointless trivia but avg male height in Eorzea is around 6 feet compared to our 5'7"

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Also ._. I don't think people mentioned modders, or glorified them that recently in this thread? But... I'll admit I haven't been reading everything. Either way, like I told you on the Accessibility thread, there are people who enjoy the game completely mod-free, even on PC. Even among these races. I understand these are the races that attract modders the most, but they shouldn't be given much credit. Instead, Square should be aware of the problem and direct resources to it.

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The mention of modders was likely a reference to my posts.

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What is there to say though? I mean obviously getting angry and aggressive with the developers is not going to make them want to solve the issue(assuming they ever view anything like that at all), but are they really wrong?

I mean something's clearly wrong when modders make solutions to these issues while SE neglects them.

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They were very upset over my mention of how third party modders have created solutions to issues that SE themselves have not bothered to do so. They couldn't seem to come up with any answer towards the idea that SE should better themselves and their product, rather than letting third party creators that have no obligations and who aren't known professionals create solutions to issues that they ignore.

And this isn't glorifying in any way. I'm not here to tell you about how we should all play the game with mods(breaking the rules anyways) or that the game is "better with mods."

I'm using it as a comparison. Call it whataboutism if you want, but my point still stands.

Yes please free our ears when wearing hats! Let us have ear holes like we used to get! We look so weird without them like a hyur with a tail.

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Yes please free our ears when wearing hats! Let us have ear holes like we used to get! We look so weird without them like a hyur with a tail.

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I think it's even worse than just "Hyur with a tail", because before you even look down at the rest of the body, what they look like is a Hyur with no ears and it just feels uncanny in a way that isn't an issue when the cat ears are visible.

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I'm using it as a comparison. Call it whataboutism if you want, but my point still stands.

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It does stand. People can be upset at the existence and use of mods all they want. There's an underlying issue that blind hate just tends to sweep away, which is unfortunately the exact sort of complacency that leads to situations like these.

This isn't the case of a silly mod being added that had nothing to do with the base game.
This is when mods actively solve what Square Enix has been neglecting.
It's a case where mods bring people to the same standing level as other races.

At that point, it doesn't matter whether mods are okay or not, whether they're fine or not. It's a fact, it's not opinion nor are people encouraging the use of mods. Because that's not seen as a good thing. It's an issue. An issue that Square keeps making worse and in turn encourage their own fanbase to seek out modding.

And before someone out there replies to me with a preachy moral answer, no. The idea that "Square doesn't make you use mods, you use them because you want to" is problematic. Because think carefully on that. Remove modding, you're basically telling people to remain in an inferior experience to other races. The issue isn't that modding exists, the issue is that modding should not be doing what it currently does. It should not do SE's work for them. So being upset that people bring up modding is placing your frustration on the wrong aspect.

It shouldn't be a thing, of course. But we're well past that, unfortunately. But there wouldn't be such an incentive if Square had addressed this sooner.

A revamp of wearing gear would be nice... so it is more than a skin... but remember FFXIV is an old game today... and when it was released... it should be considered even older as you don't work on brand new new engines for games like this.

Would be nice if clothing would fit to the skin and the likes and lose shirts moving in the wind and with movement.. but you need to account for the ressources needed for it as well and finally the gear people use in their PC/Consoles.

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A revamp of wearing gear would be nice... so it is more than a skin... but remember FFXIV is an old game today... and when it was released... it should be considered even older as you don't work on brand new new engines for games like this.

Would be nice if clothing would fit to the skin and the likes and lose shirts moving in the wind and with movement.. but you need to account for the ressources needed for it as well and finally the gear people use in their PC/Consoles.

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We already have skirts and such reacting to player movements. If you mean proper cloth physics where the material is treated as "cloth" by the game engine it can easily cause clipping issues, not to mention it would have to be made well in order to not be too loose or firm. Also with the current client it would tank the FPS even on beefier computers at populated zones. If such a thing would be implemented, it would require a huge rework on the client.

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A revamp of wearing gear would be nice... so it is more than a skin... but remember FFXIV is an old game today... and when it was released... it should be considered even older as you don't work on brand new new engines for games like this.

Would be nice if clothing would fit to the skin and the likes and lose shirts moving in the wind and with movement.. but you need to account for the ressources needed for it as well and finally the gear people use in their PC/Consoles.

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Is there any game that has such detailed physics AND the vast range of equippable outfits that FFXIV has? I would greatly doubt it, and would imagine that designing such a system would be prohibitively complicated for the scope of this game.

The issue isn't the engine. At all. The game may be old, but there are older games with more or less similar graphical fidelity that allow for stuff like this. Not to mention...

a) You literally had better quality years ago, meaning it was always feasible for them to make form-fitting gear for Miqo'te
b) Devs now have more time between patches to work on FF14
c) Gear showing racial traits was always within the scope and capabilities of the engine. The engine is only so far of an excuse, anything else comes from minimum requirements which have been increasing in the past few years anyway.

TESO might not have as good looking polygons, but they do come close to FF14 off the top of my head. And those don't sacrifice racial traits half as often as FF14 is resorting to do.

~waves a flag with a Miqo with a hat that shows my ears on it and the phrase FREE THE EARS in big letters~
There have been so many hats my non-miqo friend in the fc will go oh you might like this! Link it in chat and I do. I do like it. I would have LOVED to wear it.....except(and now she's at the point where she mentions 'hopefully this shows your ears? I know you'll like it if it does' since this has been happening more and more since Shadowbringers) it makes my ears disappear. And here's the thing. I have cats. I grew up with cats. I've lived in a house with at least one if not more cats for almost thirty years now. So I am quite good at imagining how things would work. For my ears to have disappeared like that. And there are some hats I am okay with it. (My poor character's hearing must get really bad in them but that's a different thing we're not on that topic) Because the hat is tall/wide enough for me to know the ears WOULD be able to sit comfortably underneath it. But so many hats I look at and KNOW that if I were to actually put that on someone with cat ears they would be in AGONY. Yes a cat will flatten their ears against their head. Yes they can keep this up for a while. But not forever. And forcing it can hurt. And some hats are so close-fitting that it would be like you'd like taped your ears to your head. Smashed them down like you're improperly binding and it would NOT be comfortable. Especially long term.

And I'm a Miqo because I wanna be a cat girl. I have many alts and while a decent chunk are miqo'te. A decent chunk aren't. If I wanted to play something that wasn't a catgirl(or boy I have a catboy alt) I would...go play one of them as my main. But I don't. Because that's not what I wanna do. Taking away Serenity's ears looks weird, makes her look unnatural, and it just is stripping the racial features away.(And I'm not gonna lie is one of the reasons that while I like Reaper. I will not be playing it much(especially as it is at 90) except for leveling it to every new expansion cap. Which I kinda hate. I LIKE how Reaper plays. I like it a lot. But because of the constant stripping away of one of my most prominent racial features the fact that one of the Reaper's Big Things completely strips any racial features away from me....turns me off it. I would probably have been cool with it if there hadn't been this build-up with gear of stripping our features away. I can see in that step sideways world where SE didn't slowly ramp up the hats that took away our ears how I wouldn't have minded too much. But sadly this isn't that world. As much as I wish it was.)

Now that the effect is being more apparent on Miqot'e, only now you rise up and point out SE is taking too many shortcuts?

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Now that the effect is being more apparent on Miqot'e, only now you rise up and point out SE is taking too many shortcuts?

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There has been tons of threads for other races on hat issues. If you dont like miqo’te protesting the loss of our ears as well this isnt the place for you.

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Now that the effect is being more apparent on Miqot'e, only now you rise up and point out SE is taking too many shortcuts?

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No, it's been pretty unacceptable from the get go. I'd wager the Venn-diagram of people complaining about miqo'te and viera/hrothgar is basically a circle.

People have been complaining about it the moment they announced Viera and Hrothgar couldn't wear most headgear. The issue with miqo'te specifically is that it has become more and more glaring and they actually lost stuff they used to have.

Both cases are equally bad imo and always have been.

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

No, it's been pretty unacceptable from the get go. I'd wager the Venn-diagram of people complaining about miqo'te and viera/hrothgar is basically a circle.

People have been complaining about it the moment they announced Viera and Hrothgar couldn't wear most headgear. The issue with miqo'te specifically is that it has become more and more glaring and they actually lost stuff they used to have.

Both cases are equally bad imo and always have been.

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No, it's not. We have had plenty of Miqo'te in our forums expressing their distaste and lack of support for our races. It's literally why we kept telling people "It will happen one day to you too, and you'd like us to be there and help raise the issue when it does". Lo and behold, this thread.

Both cases are not equally bad. It started with Hrothgar and Viera, and arguably is worse for the two races bc they have limtiations you guys don't have. Thus making that assessment incredibly myopic.

The people who have been complaining about this were primarily Hrothgar and Viera players, with a coinflip whether other races would support us or present disdain.

However, the main concern for you guys is the removal of racial traits on equipment. And that's what gives a fantasy world a lot of variety. Not turning everyone into a Hyur. Like you said, the issue with Hrothgar and Viera is that they never had it; Miqo'te have had it, and now they're starting to lose it. Why is this?

Keep in mind, this isn't me revoking my support for you guys. But no, the boat we're on isn't the same, and even if it were, you guys are above on the deck, other races are far below on the sinking part, drowning.

After playing Viera for two years and getting back to Miqo a few weeks ago, no, both cases are not equally bad, at all.
As a Miqo, yes I’m piss off to see my ears disappear with new hats ! But at least I can wear them, period. And I’m not speaking about full access to hairstyles. I was kind of relieved to get back to catgirl. This isn’t normal.

Viera and Hrothgars sail on a much heavier boat, and some of their issues are coming to other non Hyur races. This is one of the reasons everyone should have supported Hrothgars and Viera players since the very beginning, even if you don’t like those races. By respect for people who love them and for the future of the glamour implementation as well.

We can also write another chapter on races with tails. A lot of players are affected by some SE laziness!
We should support each other.

If SE didn't want to do the extra work on head gear, then they should never bring out any races with other than human type ears. SE just being very lazy, and it really needs to stop. They could fix the problem in 7.0 and remove the head gear armor slot like did with belts.

Indeed, the races are there to provide differentiation. What is the point of having races if they are all becoming the same blob when it comes to gear? Please help make them different and stand out SE, as they were originally intended and designed to do. Don't do away with its purpose.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

No, it's not. We have had plenty of Miqo'te in our forums expressing their distaste and lack of support for our races. It's literally why we kept telling people "It will happen one day to you too, and you'd like us to be there and help raise the issue when it does". Lo and behold, this thread.

Both cases are not equally bad. It started with Hrothgar and Viera, and arguably is worse for the two races bc they have limtiations you guys don't have. Thus making that assessment incredibly myopic.

The people who have been complaining about this were primarily Hrothgar and Viera players, with a coinflip whether other races would support us or present disdain.

However, the main concern for you guys is the removal of racial traits on equipment. And that's what gives a fantasy world a lot of variety. Not turning everyone into a Hyur. Like you said, the issue with Hrothgar and Viera is that they never had it; Miqo'te have had it, and now they're starting to lose it. Why is this?

Keep in mind, this isn't me revoking my support for you guys. But no, the boat we're on isn't the same, and even if it were, you guys are above on the deck, other races are far below on the sinking part, drowning.

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This is factually untrue. It didn't start with Hrothgar and Viera. It started at the same time. The expansion Hroth and Viera released where when they started doing it to old races on all gear too. Whatever changed at SE affected everyone, so it's the same problem.

Your extreme hyperbole aside, not sure why you're trying to turn this into some weird "we have it worse than you" thing. It's all wrong on SE's part and always has been.