Unpopular opinion on G'raha Tia (spoilers)

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Indeed, now he is just a puppy following us around. But SE can't kill any of the "good guy" characters, they probably fear the community response and they know how vile it can be

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Mostly the Japanese base, right? Didn't they supposedly freak out after Papalymo died?

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Mostly the Japanese base, right? Didn't they supposedly freak out after Papalymo died?

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It would be better for all involved for them to stand their ground when it comes to characters leaving the story at the appropriate time. Better that than allow for things to snowball like they have with G'raha Tia. They'll find new characters to make fan art about, they just have to make them. If building the game's combat solely around the whims of high end raiders is a bad idea then writing the story with such heavy influence from the likes of Twitter is to a similar detriment.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I like G’raha. :)

People like lyse and she was awful. She still gets parts in the story. People like moenbryda who was pointless and got wasted scenes about her in EW because players cried about it being unfair she died. She contributed nothing at all.

Everyone can like or dislike him if they want. I’ll always want more story with him.

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Once she grew up she studied under Louisoix Leveilleur. After striking a talent in aetheric research she became an Archon and was in the Circle of Knowing, however, Louisoix told her to stay in Sharlayan, an order she followed with great difficulty.

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Moenbryda is called in once the Scions try to find a way to pursue Lady Iceheart after she escaped Snowcloak and seemingly cut off or destroyed her destination Aetheryte. Using a crystal of white auracite, Moenbryda traces of Iceheart's teleportation to allow the Warrior of Light pursue her.

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Useless, huh?

Personally, I prefer Exarch who's the same one we had adventures in CT than the one we have now.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Post 5.3 G'raha doesn't even act that much like his 2.1-2.5 self. The team saw that people went AWWWW at the Exarch's timid behavior in the cutscene after Hades and decided to latch onto it with all limbs.
They flanderized the shit out of G'raha.

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He was always very self-deprecating and saying you were great at everything, and a recurring theme of talking about events as history will record them.

If anything, maybe the Exarch's personality has toned down his brash side, and given him a whole lot more people to fanboy over because he knows the heroics they went on to perform in the other timeline.

Like I said, I don’t dislike current G’raha too much.

It’s not like it’s too late for the character to improve so I’ll keep an open door. He probably ''still has more secrets to tell'' and more character growth to do since we're likely heading to Meracydia in the future.

A likely scenario I see happening is us returning to the first with him, once Y’shtola perfects World travel that is. That way he could see the crystallized Exarch for himself. That could end up being a big deal for him.

While I agree on some level, he's also one of the better scions so it's nice to have them around rather than having to deal with the twins or Y'shtola.

I liked him as the exarch, now I just want him to go away.

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there are a significant amount of people who are dissatisfied with his current treatment.

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The four or five people here dont even begin to count as "significant".

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

The four or five people here dont even begin to count as "significant".

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Oh oh. Watch out guys, someone here got mad

Not at all.

I am just noting that, to my knowledge at least, other than here I have not heard this sentiment from anyone on OCE.

No one I know on EU or NA has said so either. Whilst I am certain that there are mixed feelings and opinions on the matter, I also note that were you to go to 100 random people on any server, you would get 100 random answers, and very very few as any form of "a consensus".

Short of a poll on the matter, we have no way of knowing WHAT people do or dont think..and to be honest, with all due respect, to claim otherwise is utterly presumptuous. The utterly tiny population on this forum, as opposed to the wider playerbase, is indicative of nothing...and is not in any way a valid metric by any means.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Not at all.

I am just noting that, to my knowledge at least, other than here I have not heard this sentiment from anyone on OCE.

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so I can assume that, since you're so accurate in your answer, you've already done this research, and you can show us the result.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

so I can assume that, since you're so accurate in your answer, you've already done this research, and you can show us the result.

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how does saying "I don't think 5 people is a significant amount of people" and "to my knowledge at least" imply that his 'answer is 100% correct'? What do you even mean with "since you're so accurate in your answer"? Are you agreeing with him?

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

Oh oh. Watch out guys, someone here got mad

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He just loves starting arguments with people.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

He was always very self-deprecating and saying you were great at everything, and a recurring theme of talking about events as history will record them.

If anything, maybe the Exarch's personality has toned down his brash side, and given him a whole lot more people to fanboy over because he knows the heroics they went on to perform in the other timeline.

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Please, not even young g'raha is that cringe and childish compared to current g'raha. He doesn't openly fanboy over people nor acting all shy. Current g'raha is combination of all the bad things of both young g'raha and Exarch. Also archer>blm

Personally I'm not the type who want characters to be killed once they complete their story. But I think the handled g'raha the wrong way. He shouldn't have received the Exarch's memory, only his soul if they really want to push the "Exarch doesn't really die you guys" narrative (even though it's unnecessary as well tbh). Let g'raha be g'raha, instead of this mess of a character. Fine if they want him to join the scions, but I think it'll fit him better if he's like riol, who do his own thing instead of joining the A team. Have him adventure and research history on his own, but also answer our call of help should we need it.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

how does saying "I don't think 5 people is a significant amount of people" and "to my knowledge at least" imply that his 'answer is 100% correct'? What do you even mean with "since you're so accurate in your answer"? Are you agreeing with him?

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I explain.

He started by arguing that 5-6 people is not a significant sample. Soon after, he says that anyone he knows has no complaints about the characters, and that the forum itself is not a good sample.

So I would like to understand on the basis of what he claims or not that: the group that likes the way that Graha is being used is significantly larger than the group that doesn't think the character is being used well.

with respect to "since you're so accurate in your answer" is between commas. If you know how to use them well, you'll see that I'm not saying he's right, but I'm assuming he's confident about it.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

He just loves starting arguments with people.

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well, in this case I must agree with him, since here is a forum for discussions. The problem will be if he does like most people here, and simply runs away when asked.

EDIT: I edited the previous message for not expressing myself very well and seeming offensive

He's the only scion I like but only because he's so new that he hasn't gotten on my nerves yet.
But yes, he should have had his exit in ShB. It would have given his character more weight.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Personally I'm not the type who want characters to be killed once they complete their story. But I think the handled g'raha the wrong way. He shouldn't have received the Exarch's memory, only his soul if they really want to push the "Exarch doesn't really die you guys" narrative (even though it's unnecessary as well tbh). Let g'raha be g'raha, instead of this mess of a character.

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I'm guessing they wanted G'raha to have natural progression. As in, it'd be too awkward for people spending an entire expansion and a half with G'raha as The Exarch to suddenly see him be his old energetic and investigative self.

The issue is that we're only given a glimpse of his Exarch self in Endwalker once. And that's when he steps up to tell the people of Radz to take shelter and calm their collective mammary glands.

Sure, he's always admired us. He's always wanted to have an adventure with us; he's had two of them. But he's not some puppy dog whose ears flare up at the mere mention of heroic figures. During the ARR raids, he struck me as someone who would have kept his cool, even if he was admiring the person. Now he's just an anime trope...

...just like making Y'shtola's younger self a magical girl...

It all just feels so unnecessary. He's such an interesting character who CAN offer a bit more if allowed, but his personality is just degraded and cliché. It's not sober.

I'll be honest, I fail to see his purpose. I understand his character and motivations, I just don't get his role in the group. Thancred is the big guy, Y'shtola is the smart Chick doubling as a power bomb, Urianger has become the smart guy Team Mom who teaches people to be kind and understanding of those they cannot comprehend at face value. Alisaie is our Lancer who Red Oni\Blue Oni's with her brother who's the team strategist and diplomat. Tataru is the Rowena and Krile is the older version of Alphinaud but with a more limited sphere of influence: she serves as liaison to some groups that the party can't just simply approach without rubbing anyone off. And we're the Hero, the designated party leader.
G'raha is... smart, yes. Investigative, but we already have 3 of those. He's strong, but not really a tank anymore, he's just combat-capable. What is he? Morality chain pet? Love interest\Emotional core? And what does he bring to the narrative? The experienced one who's seen Hell and can guide people through the darkest of times? Well, that's really only ever surfaced once since, if he's just gonna be like that all the time, then I worry for the people we meet.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Personally I'm not the type who want characters to be killed once they complete their story. But I think the handled g'raha the wrong way. He shouldn't have received the Exarch's memory, only his soul if they really want to push the "Exarch doesn't really die you guys" narrative

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I think that's the opposite of how he should have been handled. The soul is the key part of the person that you can say they are still alive or not.

The Exarch could have saved his memories into the crystal and then truly died – still asking us to promise to take him on an adventure, but the other him – and it would have been a fitting end for that character to die there; he has given his all and his life's work is complete. Furthermore, it has been a running thread through Shadowbringers that the cycle of life and death and remembrance is the natural way of things and that the Exarch's unnatural immortality was a necessary but undesirable choice that he is now freed from.

Meanwhile, passing on his memories seems very much in character, because as a historian that is really valuable information for his other self – not only current history as it unfolds, but a glimpse of an alternate future that can be contrasted with the one he sees play out. Plus he's probably spent a lot of time reading Allagan books stored in the tower.

I could see it working not as an all-at-once memory dump but something that just bubbles to the surface randomly as he is prompted to recall things.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

making Y'shtola's younger self a magical girl

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There's a difference between "making her a magical girl" and showing her casting one spell magical-girl style, which is what we got.

For me, that is actually really relatable because it's her, as an adult, having to perform a chant she invented when she was seven years old. I can imagine the embarrassment if I had to do the same.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There's a difference between "making her a magical girl" and showing her casting one spell magical-girl style, which is what we got.

For me, that is actually really relatable because it's her, as an adult, having to perform a chant she invented when she was seven years old. I can imagine the embarrassment if I had to do the same.

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From my perspective it was a ridiculous scene that only made her character even more insufferable and added next to nothing. Yoship himself called it out as an example of going to far away from what her character is supposed to be. (What a pit that he never said the same of the many nonsensical scenes involving G'raha Tia.) The sole positive aspect of it was the English version's brief reprise of that VA's Titania voice, though that only brings the sting of the fact that aside from flying pigs the faeries have no further role to play in this story.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There's a difference between "making her a magical girl" and showing her casting one spell magical-girl style, which is what we got.

For me, that is actually really relatable because it's her, as an adult, having to perform a chant she invented when she was seven years old. I can imagine the embarrassment if I had to do the same.

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You are correct, of course. It was an one-off thing.

Yet it was unnecessary.

The point still stands: why are we portraying characters in different lights and showing off how over the top and expressive they can be when normally they're rather sober?

I understand it was just a singular note to display why Y'shtola was so uncomfortable, and how her younger self would act. Yet... it just doesn't fit the game? And now they're forcing these things into the game to make future additions fit. A sort of precedent case. But this caters to... who exactly? The game worked just fine without these things, I fail to see why Endwalker decided to double down on them.

Amusing, sure. But... If you fridge logic it, it's like... Why??

They could honestly use the resources they spend on these animations and effects for the characters and improve other things about the game, but that's a can of worms and a half, is it not?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You are correct, of course. It was an one-off thing.

Yet it was unnecessary.

The point still stands: why are we portraying characters in different lights and showing off how over the top and expressive they can be when normally they're rather sober?

I understand it was just a singular note to display why Y'shtola was so uncomfortable, and how her younger self would act. Yet... it just doesn't fit the game? And now they're forcing these things into the game to make future additions fit. A sort of precedent case. But this caters to... who exactly? The game worked just fine without these things, I fail to see why Endwalker decided to double down on them.

Amusing, sure. But... If you fridge logic it, it's like... Why??

They could honestly use the resources they spend on these animations and effects for the characters and improve other things about the game, but that's a can of worms and a half, is it not?

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I suspect this is supposed to cater to the Twitter fans who often portray their wols and Scions doing stuff like this. However, despite how loud they are I don't believe for a second that pandering to them is in the game's best interest, nor that they represent any sort of majority. FFXIV's core base is fantasy fans. That means give us a cast full of heroes we can get excited about that have unique characteristics to them - not the same character copypasted 7 times in different outfits. Adding jokes in poor taste and the other stuff we saw in Endwalker isn't conducive to that.

It's not an exaggeration when I say that the Scions are the worst Final Fantasy party in the entire franchise. I fully believe this. I would rather travel alone than be saddled with the likes of G'raha Tia and Y'shtola. Even Scions fans have reached the point where they realize that keeping characters around for longer than is reasonable doesn't represent anything good for the story. We need better and more unique characters. A brash, rough around the edges knight who likes drinking like Branden. A womanizing Bard or Rogue like Thancred in ARR, or magic users with tragic pasts and fates like Terra Brandford, Celes Chere, Yuna, and so on. Not more scholars from the same handful of races.

Side note, among further depictions of the Ancients and the events leading up to the Sundering, animation resources should probably be focused on female Hrothgar. Would love an Elezen animation rework at some point as well, practically no one is satisfied with the way they move and the person responsible for the state of them did not stay on the FFXIV team for long if what I heard is true.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

The point still stands: why are we portraying characters in different lights and showing off how over the top and expressive they can be when normally they're rather sober?

I understand it was just a singular note to display why Y'shtola was so uncomfortable, and how her younger self would act. Yet... it just doesn't fit the game?

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Why doesn't it fit the game? Why shouldn't it?

Y'shtola can't be boring and stoic all the time. We spend a lot of time with these characters and I'm fine with seeing other aspects of them than serious all the time.

Edit to add: I feel like the difference may be that they're putting effort into properly cutscening some of the lighter bits of the script instead of burying them all in optional dialogue while saving the cutscenes purely for big serious stuff. One of my favourite, funniest bits of ARR's dialogue was trying to find the Scions in the Sylphlands with all the imposters about, but you'd miss most of that interaction if you just went through focused on following the MSQ marker, and now it's been swept away entirely in the editing process. A genuine loss to the story IMO.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Why doesn't it fit the game? Why shouldn't it?

Y'shtola can't be boring and stoic all the time. We spend a lot of time with these characters and I'm fine with seeing other aspects of them than serious all the time.

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You're right. Like more beloved heroines such as Yuna, Celes, and Garnet, she could have had a moment of emotional vulnerability that would have actually endeared us to her. Portraying her as mostly strong and a one-off quirky embarrassing moment isn't working. If I'm ever supposed to take this character seriously I want to see her cry, suffer, and potentially even die.

I want her to actually grow instead of being the same thing each expansion, defined more by fakeouts than any other of her personality traits that she shares with way too many other cast members. If this cannot be achieved, let her bow out of the story with grace. She is the only female character in this game that I despise more than Lyse. Not even Venat, as Mary Sue as she was, is anywhere close to being as detrimental to the story as Y'shtola's presence is.

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so I can assume that, since you're so accurate in your answer, you've already done this research, and you can show us the result.

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So I would like to understand on the basis of what he claims or not that: the group that likes the way that Graha is being used is significantly larger than the group that doesn't think the character is being used well.

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Simple.

My answer boils down to three words, a phrase that it seems a lot of people are either unable, or unwilling to use in this day and age.

We dont know.

See how easy that is?

This forum consists of maybe 200-300 people..as opposed to a playerbase of millions, so no, we dont know what a "significant number think about this". No one does.

i cant see as how thats a difficult fact to accept.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

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so this rule only applies to others? For you said yourself that 5-6 people are insignificant. How do you, who haven't done any research, know this value? Or is the subject touched so sensitive to you, that it made you get angry and come here to despise those who thought your best friend made of pixels was misused within the virtual game?

do you know how to make a sample of people? Did you calculate the sample value of FFXIV players to know if 200-300 people don't match the population?

You are trying to belittle what they are saying with arguments that are invalid even for you. If you've never heard about the topic, I can also say that 5-6 people you know are an insignificant portion and don't correspond to the total number of players. Do you understand what I mean?

EDIT: I've been waiting a long time for an interesting counter-argument, but apparently it won't come anytime soon. I'm going to sleep, and wait for an interesting counterargument in the morning

I love G'raha personally and the voice actor more so as I am a Jonathan Bailey fan - he was amazing in cocktheplay in London :D, this catboy can follow me around all day long :D. I totally get he is marmite and everyone has their own opinion. Mine is valid just for me, i always smile when I get some story with him and others it creeps them out or is plain annoying. Some love the scions, some not so much and others want a purge.

I love Theoderic and Aveyond's insights to story, opinion on characters and thoughts which question my own interpretation and are thought provoking they I personally enjoy it. I can see we would disagree in alot and agree on other things and have a good bit of banter about it if we ever got into a real life conversation. There is so much polarisation and fighting when it comes to forums, reddit and twitter etc. I do wonder when worth and value of the game gets so negative the joy is simply sucked out but then I suppose i know that for me personally it is a barometer to step away and seek something else to chillout with as this is just a game to me.

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For you said yourself that 5-6 people are insignificant. How do you, who haven't done any research, know this value?

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Simple. 5-6 people vs close to a million or more. But you know that.

Done here.

As for myself, i already made my stance clear. I dont know. Neither does anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I like G’raha. :)

People like lyse and she was awful. She still gets parts in the story. People like moenbryda who was pointless and got wasted scenes about her in EW because players cried about it being unfair she died. She contributed nothing at all.

Everyone can like or dislike him if they want. I’ll always want more story with him.

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That's not really fair to Moenbryda as a whole though. I always looked at her and her death from the perspective of the impact she left on the other characters. We barely got to have her in the group before she was gone, and as a result, we personally didn't get to know her that well. But she was clearly someone the others' deeply cared for and looked up to. (It's even brought up how she impacted other characters outside the MSQ, like Mikoto or the little girl in the Old Sharlayan side quest)

To me, her character is best seen from her impact on the others, rather than for us as the main character. Seeing how others were affected by her death helped to define and flesh them out even more, and really got me crying like crazy with the conclusion in EW. Just something to keep in mind! (I fully agree with you on G'raha tho. :D) Also, rip to her old Minion description lmao.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Fan service to the degree we saw in Endwalker does not belong in the MSQ. Leave it in side quests if it must be in the game at all, because appeasing character fan clubs shouldn’t come at the cost of a well-developed story with compelling stakes and consequences.

Their fans would love them regardless whether they live or die and, as they tend to do, would move on the minute a new character that suits their whims is released.

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I must respectfully disagree. There can be a place for both serious/heavy moments in the story while also allowing for lighthearted or even fanservice-y scenes to break them up and give the player some relief. A story can't be enjoyable if there's just one singular tone throughout the whole way through. That's something I've always loved about the FF series in general, in that they incorporate negative and positive tonal shifts very well.

There also wasn't all that much fanservice for EW at all, imo. Or rather, it was balanced? Either way, you're kind of exaggerating. You make it seem like it was in our face in every cutscene when that isn't the case at all. They can't just make the story for one specific type of player. We all have varying interests when it comes to the MSQ and it's, quite frankly, selfish to say it should basically be cutout and stuck elsewhere. There are things I didn't particularly enjoy the whole MSQ through, but I wouldn't suggest removing them out because I'm aware that others actually like it. (I'm not that crazy about Y'shtola for one, but I know others really like her. Plus, she can be interesting and funny at times, so I let it slide.)

Also, you're very presumptuous that all fans of a single character would all act the way you say. I enjoy characters with similar personalities to G'raha in other games or even anime, however to me he is very unique on his own and I don't see him as a pure list of tropes to latch on to. This goes for other characters that may be similar to him. I can acknowledge they're similar but I can still enjoy them to different extents based on the series they came from, quality of writing, style, character arc, etc. It's not all about just getting hot and bothered, lmao.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Now he's just an anime trope...
...just like making Y'shtola's younger self a magical girl...
It all just feels so unnecessary.

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It’s absolutely fine to weave moments of levity when done in the proper time and place. Although I didn’t laugh, Y’shtola’s scene was amusing and her breach of character from her young self's incantation made her a bit more relatable to me.

In G’raha’s case however, as you said, he overly acts like an UwU anime trope and it doesn’t feel organic, especially when contrasted with his past ARR and ShB selves.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Simple. 5-6 people vs close to a million or more. But you know that.
Done here.

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So petulant!

This isn’t some official SE assembly to vote on ousting G’raha from the game. We’re simply discussing our different stances on the character.

We can play with our own ball, thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

My issue with Graha is just...oh hooray, another ff11 race. No au ra, viera or hrothgar Scion but god knows the game was dying for another 4'2" twink we see 12560 copies of at every single aetheryte.
If we were gonna get a wolsimp character he shouldve been a race they havent bled dry for 4 expansions like a highlander (arenvald got kneecaped and raubahn gets nothing to do), roegadyn (the only manroe is Biggs who hasnt had a spoken line since hw) au ra (yes we get plenty of auri...in azim steppe and if they arent treated like a joke ((magnai)) they get killed off ((ahewan))) and hrothgar (not a single hrothgar with a speaking role on the Source).
Like Im just tired as shit of the msq being nothing but middies elves and miqotes like why even have other races at this point ffs.

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That is one conspiracy theory you got going there.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I wouldn't say that this is an unpopular opinion at all. I didn't begin to dislike the character until after 5.3 wrapped up and it was all downhill from there. Letting characters bow out and exit with grace was like they did back in Heavensward with Ysayle and Haurchefaunt was one of the better aspects of the kind of storytelling we enjoyed in that era.

Despite however vocal some of his current fans are, there are a significant amount of people who are dissatisfied with his current treatment. If it does not improve, then indeed we would've been better off leaving him behind atop the Crystal Tower.

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Well, it absolutely is. Unless you are one the official echo chamber, I mean forums. lol

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Indeed. Despite having such a variety of races to draw from, the main cast is oversaturated with representation from the stereotypical anime races and elves. Enough is enough, even if I like Zero she is still just another midlander at the end of the day. Vrtra's Au Ra face model was...something. When I asked for a male Au Ra to join the party I didn't mean that. A male Hrothgar/Highlander/Roegadyn addition would also add some much needed muscle and masculinity to the party.

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Actual question piggybacking off of the last line in this:

Is there some reason why masculine type characters (excluding Thancred and even he is kinda not necessarily what I mean) are hardly ever given a spotlight in the game? Like, do they think us as a playerbase will not be able to relate to a character built more masculine/bodybuilder type? I know we have Raubahn but like said already, he barely does anything. Also there seems to be a distinct lack of beards/facial hair amongst the main/secondary characters. Does Square just think we all want our men to look like teenagers forever or is facial hair really that hard to add to the game?

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That is one conspiracy theory you got going there.

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What conspiracy theory? That the MSQ is oversaturated with the same races is an objective fact. You may disagree that diversity is needed, but there's no denying it's not currently there.
Like many players, XiRon forgot that Gosetsu is a MRoe, but other than that he's spot on.

I don't know.. the Scions are entirely made up of overly serious characters and hypercapitalist Tataru.. Some levity in the group is probably necessary. It's nice to have someone eager to jump in the fray with you. He just wants to me the Robin to your Batman. He definitely struggles with boundaries but we all deal with people like that in our lives. Alphinaud behaves very similarly with Estinien. I feel like Aymeric is exactly the same. He is a borderline creep. Magnai is another. The game is full of characters like this. It's not a G'raha Tia thing.

It is worth remembering that G'raha's Exarch body is *ancient* and worn. The circumstances are dire. He intends to die for his cause. This had been weighing on him for a hundred years. The circumstances would definitely wear on the affable nature of his character, which existed in his younger CT quest self. To a lesser degree, but it's still there. Then suddenly you come along and you save the First and him while you're at it. He owes you everything, including his life and no one can convince him otherwise. He loves you.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Actual question piggybacking off of the last line in this:

Is there some reason why masculine type characters (excluding Thancred and even he is kinda not necessarily what I mean) are hardly ever given a spotlight in the game? Like, do they think us as a playerbase will not be able to relate to a character built more masculine/bodybuilder type? I know we have Raubahn but like said already, he barely does anything. Also there seems to be a distinct lack of beards/facial hair amongst the main/secondary characters. Does Square just think we all want our men to look like teenagers forever or is facial hair really that hard to add to the game?

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The game seems to for some reason really dug into trying to appeal to very specific demographics with it's character designs, I'm guessing it's to cater to the most aggressively vocal parts?

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Originally Posted by Korbei

I don't know.. the Scions are entirely made up of overly serious characters and hypercapitalist Tataru.. Some levity in the group is probably necessary. It's nice to have someone eager to jump in the fray with you. He just wants to me the Robin to your Batman. He definitely struggles with boundaries but we all deal with people like that in our lives. Alphinaud behaves very similarly with Estinien. I feel like Aymeric is exactly the same. He is a borderline creep. Magnai is another. The game is full of characters like this. It's not a G'raha Tia thing.

It is worth remembering that G'raha's Exarch body is *ancient* and worn. The circumstances are dire. He intends to die for his cause. This had been weighing on him for a hundred years. The circumstances would definitely wear on the affable nature of his character, which existed in his younger CT quest self. To a lesser degree, but it's still there. Then suddenly you come along and you save the First and him while you're at it. He owes you everything, including his life and no one can convince him otherwise. He loves you.

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At this point I'd say nearly all the scions are jokes at this point I don't really feel I've seen many out side Thancred/Urianger or Estinien act with any real professionalism since we left the first. G'raha gets a little but then goes back to being creepy as soon after as possible

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

At this point I'd say nearly all the scions are jokes at this point I don't really feel I've seen many out side Thancred/Urianger or Estinien act with any real professionalism since we left the first. G'raha gets a little but then goes back to being creepy as soon after as possible

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These people aren't your coworkers.. they're your friends. Not a one of them is a professional anything.

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Originally Posted by Korbei

These people aren't your coworkers.. they're your friends. Not a one of them is a professional anything.

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The Scions were a professional group, it's what made them interesting. I don't really think of most of them as friends to my player character I just don't feel affection for them and get on much better with the ones where the relationship is built on professional respect something absent from most of the cast now

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

The Scions were a professional group, it's what made them interesting. I don't really think of most of them as friends to my player character I just don't feel affection for them and get on much better with the ones where the relationship is built on professional respect something absent from most of the cast now

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No they weren't. They were essentially quasi-sanctioned vigilantes bankrolled by Alphinaud and Alisae's mom following the potentially deranged hallucinations of a young post-traumatic orphan girl.