Ultimate finish video sheds light on cheating

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Don't design content with incredibly tight DPS checks and then give players no way to know if they're actually executing correctly if you don't want things like ACT? I don't use it because I don't raid but it seems counterproductive to ban people for ACT when you've just released content where people need to know to perform optimally.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Oh, the irony. There's a constant complaint about the game being too easy.

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The majority of the game, shocking though it may be, is not Ultimate.

Certain types of content are far less accessible than they otherwise would be specifically because of a lack of learning tools, including a higher difficulty floor across later levels' average content.

Requiring complaints made about specific content types to apply to the entirety of XIV's content is beyond disingenuous.

Yes, some content is made weirdly more difficult in awkward ways by, say, not having decent color differentiation for marked AoEs, by doubly punishing ping due to weird animation lock checks, by having less default information access than some pre-millennial MMOs, etc. Other content, simultaneously, is too easy because they just have so little going on and are so undertuned that what little exists can be safely ignored, which in turn makes much of the later content less accessible because there's minimal connection or intermediate steps between difficulty levels. The two qualities, each separately belonging to its own sets of content, are not mutually exclusive.






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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Everyone can agree bots are bad, your original statement in this thread and things you are claiming that have little to do with bots. There is 0 proof that any raid team uses bots, that is all speculation.

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There are a couple bits of proof but thus far only of individual players using it for their own purposes (in place of actually playing), not by request/demand of their groups. Those groups are also far from any sort of competitive prog.

Here's one, for instance, though it's more an example of someone just using a bot to fill in a rarer missing role off of a job boost and some gear, without even having set up their keys. As a tank, though, it does not seem to have been particularly helpful...

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

How is that the issue? The actual issue is FFXIV doesn't have any common sense to develop a decent UI.

If anything we should be thanking add ons to finally get SE to listen to complaints people have had about the UI since ARR

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That isn't an issue. It's an opinion. Countless people are clearing content with the UI provided by the game.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

That isn't an issue. It's an opinion. Countless people are clearing content with the UI provided by the game.

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its both? its literally a cause and effect sort of deal. people being dissatisfied with the game functions will make them make addons. if they dont want people using them, then they need to add those functions into the game. SE themselves even recognized that.

for instance the games UI is honestly very lacking. tooltips are unintuitive, item tooltips dont show relevant information, the party list buffs are often a mess, i could keep going. yes i can clear the game in spite of the UI, but that doesnt mean the UI is excellent. by that logic nothing should improve ever

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Originally Posted by Inanegrain

How do you think people figured that out?
It's so insignificant, it shouldn't have mattered if it was in your definition of "cheating". It was their choice to think that they're lumped into a suggested group, "cheaters" as if it had any impact on anyone else who's doing specified content besides affecting the ears of people.

The same can be said for how you think the world first has issues. It's TOS breaking, supposedly, and nobody cared till it was DSR. It certainly did bring in attention that no one would've cared had SE taken action and instead continued on with prog.

What a joke on how it took an ultimate, bufftimers or cactbot for SE to actually drag people out of prog and suspend them when a person got away with streaming sprint and rotation scripts for the previous tier on twitch for several months and no one remembers what happened after besides them being purged and went on to another alt.

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It's quite simple. Allot of work was put into developing a school just to be invalidated by means that goes against the tos of the game. Pure and simple.

You forgot the worse of them. Bots. Yes. Bots were the downfall of wow. Yes. It is very prevalent here. Entire raid teams USE bots. Every third-party app pales in comparison to mmominion. It's the worst of the worst since it does all the cheating in one.

And you Ashua, may have just broken the TOS by mentioning that tool's name in public so good job there. "Any actions or public statements that promote use of third-party tools."

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

That isn't an issue. It's an opinion. Countless people are clearing content with the UI provided by the game.

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Just because people clear stuff with the base UI doesn't mean there are problems with the base UI... Do you take time to think about things?

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Originally Posted by Ashua

It's quite simple. Allot of work was put into developing a school just to be invalidated by means that goes against the tos of the game. Pure and simple.

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Your opinion, that seeing the timer under the buff on your party list is cheating when you can target the party member and see the buff timer. Hard to take your opinion with any merit when your opinions are that stupid.

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Originally Posted by Ashua

You forgot the worse of them. Bots. Yes. Bots were the downfall of wow. Yes. It is very prevalent here. Entire raid teams USE bots. Every third-party app pales in comparison to mmominion. It's the worst of the worst since it does all the cheating in one.

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Everyone can agree bots are bad, your original statement in this thread and things you are claiming that have little to do with bots. There is 0 proof that any raid team uses bots, that is all speculation.

My 2c, the problem isn't UI or bots (well, bots do suck).

Add-ons like Cactbot are cheating. In the old days streamers had it actually place markers automatically and just followed where it told them to go. Square Enix thankfully figured that out and made markers stationary in combat, but Cactbot still can be seen telling streamers exactly where to go including reading memory data not shown in the battle log or elsewhere in the actual game. This is cheating, plain and simple and streamers using it should be banned.

Other add-ons like the 1-button combos are also cheating, though there is a valid argument that they make the game more friendly for the disabled and SE should consider eliminating button bloat. Nonetheless it's a cheat to be able to execute your entire combo with just 1 button, it's too bad SE hasn't tried to make the game more accessible

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

My 2c, the problem isn't UI or bots.

Add-ons like Cactbot are cheating. In the old days streamers had it actually place markers automatically and just followed where it told them to go. Square Enix figured that out and made markers stationary in combat, but Cactbot still can be seen telling streamers exactly where to go including reading data not shown in the battle log or elsewhere in the actual game to say things like "East West safe". This is cheating, plain and simple.

Other add-ons like the 1-button combos are also cheating, though there is an argument that they make the game more friendly for the disabled and SE should consider reform to button bloat, it is nonetheless a cheat to be able to execute your combo with just 1 button.

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I agree wholeheartedly. If there is a program that provides you with information that you could only obtain by experiencing the game, it provides an unfair advantage in comparison to people trying to play the game as intended.

Conveniences and fancy frills are fine.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Just because people clear stuff with the base UI doesn't mean there are problems with the base UI... Do you take time to think about things?

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Still doesnt excuse going against ToS to fulfill your needs. I mean you can do whatever the hell you want, just dont be surprised if you happen to find yourself with a ban if you get caught.

Are there things I wish this game could improve? Absolutely, but its not my place to do the job for the devs, as a consumer my only interest is to provide feedback and play their game while adhering to the rules they've established.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Still doesnt excuse going against ToS to fulfill your needs. I mean you can do whatever the hell you want, just dont be surprised if you happen to find yourself with a ban if you get caught.

Are there things I wish this game could improve? Absolutely, but its not my place to do the job for the devs, as a consumer my only interest is to provide feedback and play their game while adhering to the rules they've established.

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You have your point of view, I have mine. But when the UI has not been improved to do some of the things that add ons have been doing for players, and there has been plenty of complaints and feedback that was ignored. I do think there is an excuse to go against the ToS. Maybe the developers should stop acting like WoW devs and look at player feed back.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

You have your point of view, I have mine. But when the UI has not been improved to do some of the things that add ons have been doing for players, and there has been plenty of complaints and feedback that was ignored. I do think there is an excuse to go against the ToS. Maybe the developers should stop acting like WoW devs and look at player feed back.

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Reminds me of a time when yoship asked if wow devs played their own game.
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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

You have your point of view, I have mine. But when the UI has not been improved to do some of the things that add ons have been doing for players, and there has been plenty of complaints and feedback that was ignored. I do think there is an excuse to go against the ToS. Maybe the developers should stop acting like WoW devs and look at player feed back.

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Not really correct at all. People were never asking about it. There are many things that players asked for and were updated, but people that just downloaded addons, never asked for things before they saw others banned. Some of the things are intentionally not showed in the UI (as better telegraphs for attacks, when you can start moving during magic cast etc.) Nobody said all the mods are bad, but not all mods that were used by the exact streamers that got ban were good too. There is reason why the world first full group was visibly using addons, but only one very specific person from it was suspended. Pretending we are blind, surely would not change SE opinion.

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Originally Posted by Ashua

I think it's time we start to finally discuss the issues that have been a plague to ff14 but ignored. We see the development team show thier dislike of cheating. Bots, Auto rotation add-ons and am of these third party apps are poisoning the game.

It eventually capitulated wow and was too little to late. Now we're at a crossroads with whether ff 14 starts to decline or can maintain it's pace. The developers plead and ask the player base not to use these apps but are largely ignored. The housing issue is ruined from house bots. Any content is ruined with auto rotation and apps that tell you how to dance around mechanics.

Bots ruined the economy and any satisfaction. Want to play a game with 80% bots or one player controlling ten characters like wow and ff 11? Keep going on without enforcing your rules. If you make these rules it is your job to enforce them. Please do so square enix. Embarrassing and bringing down the video of that world first is a first step.

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The clear still counts, why would they care about the after effects? SE can retroactively ban a single streamer because of it for using plugins after they were brigaded by 5ch, it means nothing. The people who use the plugins that SE has specifically focused in the the ToS change are still going to use those plugins. All they will do in the future is make sure they aren't visible to any upload they do.
Its not like the world first group is sitting there with an invalid clear, or even an asterisked clear either. The community that participates in that type of player driven content has no problem with it, so why should SE bend over backwards to enforce something that they don't want to enforce or control in the first place.

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Are you seriously trying to suggest that add ons and third party apps were the downfall of WoW?

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Yes. To the point where people got so damned dependent on them that people said they could not play without them. A streamer (no names no pack drill ) YESTERDAY, said he needed these addons because "FF 14 is unplayable at 150ms"..I literally sat there, jaw on ground.

The utter absurdity of that statement alone said it all. He is so dependent on these that he cant cope with 150 ms unless he has them?????? Wut???

Lets look at WOW shall we?

DBM
Bartender
Details
WeakAuras
Recount
ELVUI
Exorsus Raid Tools
Healbot

Those are for STARTERS, and if you want to raid at all in WOW you are told get these addons or others, or else. The WOW playerbase is so addicted to them, so dependent, that they are used as a tool to beat people up if they DONT have them, it isnt a choice, its MANDATORY.

So yes. Absolutely.

They have become so much of the game now that you are literally torn to shreds if you dont have them all..I am aware of players who have up to THIRTY addons, their Ui and interface looks so damned cluttered Im surprised they can see anything, that isnt a game, thats a starship cockpit.

Here. This is a LIST, not a description, but just a LIST of all the addons used in WOW.

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons

Tell me that isnt a problem.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes. To the point where people got so damned dependent on them that people said they could not play witho0ut rthem. A streamer, YESTERDAY, said he needed these addons because "FF 14 is unplayable at 150ms"..I literally sat there, jaw on ground.

The utter absurdity of that statement alone said it all. He is so dependent on these that he cant cope with 150 ms unless he has them?????? Wut???

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While I wouldn't say "unplayable" higher ping does make a few jobs incapable of performing optimially without some kind of mitigation.

It's weird that you talk about a streamer being frustrated at packet loss due to high ping, and how that makes it difficult to play optimally - and then go on to talk about a bunch of UI mods. Completely different problems being addressed there.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes. To the point where people got so damned dependent on them that people said they could not play without them. A streamer (no names no pack drill ) YESTERDAY, said he needed these addons because "FF 14 is unplayable at 150ms"..I literally sat there, jaw on ground.

The utter absurdity of that statement alone said it all. He is so dependent on these that he cant cope with 150 ms unless he has them?????? Wut???

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I have no knowledge of the WoW raiding scene so I won't comment on that front, but that statement the streamer said is far from absurd.

MCH & DRK can't function properly unless you have low ping, they're literally designed to require double weaving/single weaving on 1.5s GCD like crazy for their bursts, otherwise they take major hits to their dps that no other jobs in their category role experience for no other reason than your ping was too high.

Some jobs are borderline unplayable at a high level without ping reduction add-ons or being lucky like me and getting to live in very specific parts of the world. If the dev team is going to design jobs that require double weaving or low ping dependent mechanics in their jobs, they need to get off their asses, look at these add-ons, and then copy their code into the game and make it standard experience for all users, full stop. Asking someone to just 'cope' with 150ms on something like DRK or MCH is an unacceptable answer, no ifs ands or buts.

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While I wouldn't say "unplayable" higher ping does make a few jobs incapable of performing optimially without some kind of mitigation.

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Define "optimal".

I say that because, and no I am not joking, to some people means "I see you are doing xyz dps I WANT MORE", to the point where some extreme individuals scream abuse for not doing .04 more dps than they want. This pursuit of 'optimal" leads to the mentality that other players that arent "optimal" are beneath you.

Dont tell me it doesnt exist because it DOES. Ive seen it.

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IIt's weird that you talk about a streamer being frustrated at packet loss due to high ping

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150 ms is not "high ping". Nowhere NEAR it.

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, and how that makes it difficult to play optimally - and then go on to talk about a bunch of UI mods. Completely different problems being addressed there.

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His point was that at 150 ms he couldnt play without these addons..which is, to put it bluntly, idiotic.

Again, "optimal" is subjective to the whims of whoever makes that "definition", its also vague and has no clear delineation. People get.."fixated" on "optimal" to the point of utter lunacy. That lunacy then leads to inexcusable, reprehensible behaviour.

Why?

Because they think "That player isnt playing optimally hence I am entitled to scream epithets at them and abuse them all I like".

It becomes, quite honestly, a classic example of fixation on numbers and statistics, wiping the human factor off the table. When you see yourself as superior based on numbers the UI hands you with all these addons, its a good excuse to dehumanise others.

"Optimal", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.

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Asking someone to just 'cope' with 150ms on something like DRK or MCH is an unacceptable answer, no ifs ands or buts.

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Yet I and others have played both for years at 150 to 400 ms...and managed just fine. Funny, that.

Oh and this streamer also said (this made me laugh hysterically) " the numbers arent big enough to see and Im 35"....I just turned 60 and I can see them fine.

Maybe he needs glasses? :-D

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yet I and others have played both for years at 150 to 400 ms...and managed just fine. Funny, that.

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let me guess... gray in alliance raids?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I'm still baffled why players looking for more difficulty would then actively support and use tools to make the content less so. Alas, I'm just on the outside looking in.

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It's either they're memeing, they're ignorant on how people get gear over time and things get easier, they think people don't know how to git gud or all of them and more examples together.

legacy camera pan, slidecast but laggier people can earlier slidecast anyways, a trigger for your positional/abilities when you make a mistake, shaders, a launcher as the base launcher is broken on a system, hrothgar/viera hats, etc. Breaks TOS

If it's an ultimate, it gets easier due to what I've mentioned, gear makes it easier, eventually, DSR will get easier because of it and how the game works.

The buff timer that seems to be the cause in the recent notice, and that they're thinking of implementing it for assumptions such as, realized they're putting in more time based mechanics again. That healers sometimes forgot an invuln on the tank is there because they aren't checking the timer on it from looking at the party list. Etc.
The fact that they acknowledged it makes it strange to have the recent bans over a community race. We'd be seeing a lot more players being banned for coming up with QoL ideas.

NISI, it didn't matter, because players passed it around on when __ mechanic happens.
At most, it helps on catching players who made a mistake and makes it easier to tell who did it and figure out how that mistake happen.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...24/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...14/unknown.png
It's a reclear, mistakes happen, the RPR popped their mechanic wrongly and caused a wipe because no one can adjust for it in time and no one would've known it was the RPR if it wasn't my focus target.

If you cleared a tier without being in the definition of having been carried in a typical coop, multiplayer game, you shouldn't find this an issue, because you already know what happens in the instance, a scripted timeline with some variation.
World runners, achieve this by inching every second possible and go again over hundreds of times.
Unless you want to subject yourselves to this, we do not need to do this over 100+ pulls for savage just to clear besides running again.

What I see are people, who could keep doing what they do, never having bothered with such content reasonably, touch upon it as if they think it is malicious.
I still don't know why NIN/SAM got changed but it's W/E, it's here now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRwP6RRJ-uE this is, and they got away with it for months on stream before being purged and moved onto an alt.

Botters/scripters/PvP polymorphs, those are a whole other thing that has actual impact.
bots you see on your DC that have persisted in each patch, not the RMT terminated counts.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

150 ms is not "high ping". Nowhere NEAR it.

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FF14, doesn't have good lag compensation, a poor internet period of 120-130 ms is enough to make MCH overcharge be bad to use.

If you played for years with 150-400 MS, either you're in a dc further than usual, in a country with unstable internet and did not need to care about it.
Emphasis on, you do not need to care about it because you aren't doing content that matters for it to begin with. Your definition of optimal is your own, it being correct/wrong will vary.

You sound like the very person who'd scream at people asking you a question, in turn causing you to respond in a way that counts as harassment.

If someone harasses someone for reasons it involves numbers, they deserve to be reported.

If someone harasses for sucking in general, they deserve to be reported.

If someone asks a question, and the person who gives an answer, harasses them, that's a report.

You do not need numbers to harass.

But if you think bad connection's not a problem, and insist that it isn't a problem, you're not even bothered to find flaws.

There are literal jobs that become more painful to play because it just sucks without proper lag compensation.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Define "optimal".

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You probably don't do any of the content where being 'optimal' is relevant.

Optimal generally refers to fitting the maximum amount of potency possible into a fight given a specific kill-time. In a game as scripted as 14, this actually has a very cut-and-dry definition, as fights can be 'solved' and a perfect execution on many jobs is a very static thing.

As you go beyond 100 ping, you begin to run a significant risk of clipping GCDs, or are prevented from doing things like double-weaving which may be mandatory to get full value out of your skills.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

The utter absurdity of that statement alone said it all. He is so dependent on these that he cant cope with 150 ms unless he has them?????? Wut???

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How to say 'I have no idea what I'm talking about' without directly saying 'I have no idea what I'm talking about'. Thanks for clarifying.

It's a well known issue and has been for years. If you genuinely think that it causes you to drop 0.4 dps then I don't know what to say. I will also point out that even if you ignore the DPS loss, being forced to clip your GCD to weave is immensely unsatisfying. Signed someone who has played a healer in this game since beta.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...444667/?page=1
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-akin-to-Ninja

Certain jobs are very heavily reliant on double weaving oGCDs. Go much past 100ms and double weaving will cause you to clip your GCD because of how this game's client prediction seems to work. You're absolutely right that 150ms is a very reasonable ping to expect for large groups of the player base, but that doesn't hand wave away this issue. SE are 'unable' to fix this, but some randoms on GitHub are? Is Yoshida's team really this inept?

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Originally Posted by QooEr

let me guess... gray in alliance raids?

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I have no idea as no one was running parsers. Including me.

Just on that...why would you be running a parser in Ivalice , Nier or Crystal Tower in the first place?

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FF14, doesn't have good lag compensation, a poor internet period of 120-130 ms is enough to make MCH overcharge be bad to use.

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Yet here I was on an NA server with MCH at 400 ms and...........I managed.

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If you played for years with 150-400 MS, either you're in a dc further than usual, in a country with unstable internet and did not need to care about it.

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Aust, on Kujata and Zalera. I have played for years, on overseas servers, both in FF 14 and WOW. used to it so can compensate easily.

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Optimal generally refers to fitting the maximum amount of potency possible into a fight given a specific kill-time

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But definitions of "optimal" vary from person to person.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

But definitions of "optimal" vary from person to person.

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It really doesn't.

I'd be curious to hear how much Ultimate content you've cleared, or how many savage tiers you've cleared on-content (let alone in the first few weeks of their release).

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yet here I was on an NA server with MCH at 400 ms and...........I managed.



Aust, on Kujata and Zalera. I have played for years, on overseas servers, both in FF 14 and WOW. used to it so can compensate easily.

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Managed what? Crafting, doing things irrelevant to ping?

It'd be different if FF14 was a game that had no need for combat.

You came in to insist it's irrelevant despite never needing, wanting to do content that affects it.
I'd have to assume you've never bothered to touch extremes, let alone clear them without being in the definition of being carried in coop/multiplayer games.

Internet issues are already a whole other discussion of faults that SE/An ISP has if people in a DC struggle with without the use of VPN.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes. To the point where people got so damned dependent on them that people said they could not play without them. A streamer (no names no pack drill ) YESTERDAY, said he needed these addons because "FF 14 is unplayable at 150ms"..I literally sat there, jaw on ground.

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It is. I'm Indian. The least ping I get among all DCs is EU ones, 150. The rest range from 250-400. And you know what? It's awful. MCH unironically is unplayable. So please, get off that high horse about things you don't know.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yet here I was on an NA server with MCH at 400 ms and...........I managed.



Aust, on Kujata and Zalera. I have played for years, on overseas servers, both in FF 14 and WOW. used to it so can compensate easily.



But definitions of "optimal" vary from person to person.

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Of course you "managed" as you don't seem to touch content where it's relevant.
MCH is heavily reliant on good ping for decent output, it has been an issue for years and people addressed it for years and it's clearly not fine. DRK is extremely busy during burst and relies on on point double weaves even after the adjustments. GNB has a single weave opener version that explicitely states that this is a noticeable dps loss and should only be chosen if you are unable to double weave properly due to ping issues. NIN has a short GCD by nature, some double weaves and bad ping can easily screw your Mudra. Even things like weaving during 1,5s casts on healer or fastcasts on BLM becomes next to impossible without clipping into your next GCD, especially for the popular SpS on BLM if you don't have at least decent ping.

Ping issues result in anything from major dps loss (MCH, DRK) to medium dps loss (GNB, NIN) to simply being disruptive and annoying like on healer or BLM.
And this game has horrible lag compensation while also making sure you feel it when you're clipping through dps loss AND awkward and disruptive delays and designing classes that rely on good ping.
Even if passing the dps check doesn't rely on the MCH having low ping, it shouldn't be possible that some people on github can eliminate ping issues for ping-sensitive classes while SE can't and you're instead forced to "manage" instead of "enjoy". Because as you get better at the game, constantly clipping into your next GCD doesn't feel enjoyable.

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Managed what? Crafting, doing things irrelevant to ping?

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Crafting isnt affected by latency? Yeah, thats dead wrong. it is.

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. And you know what? It's awful. MCH unironically is unplayable. So please, get off that high horse about things you don't know.

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Yet..I played MCH, and BLM, WHM and other jobs at 300 ms or worse. So, no it isnt unplayable at all.

Lets get back to brass tacks, shall we? Bottom line. FF 14 was made and designed without the need for any addons or mods. Console players dont use mods or addons, and yet they clear it all from MSQ to ultimate....so its all in the players hands.

Isnt it?

Done here.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Crafting isnt affected by latency? Yeah, thats dead wrong. it is.



Yet..I played MCH, and BLM, WHM and other jobs at 300 ms or worse. So, no it isnt unplayable at all.

Lets get back to brass tacks, shall we? Bottom line. FF 14 was made and designed without the need for any addons or mods. Console players dont use mods or addons, and yet they clear it all from MSQ to ultimate....so its all in the players hands.

Isnt it?

Done here.

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CRAFTING AFFECTED BY LATENCY??? is this about your macro not working sometimes because it decides to fluctuate so hard. wait.3 isn't enough?

I WONDER HOW'D YOU MANAGE TO PLAY RDM WHO CAN HAVE DUALCAST NOT GO OFF AT 200 MS, YOU MUST'VE HAD SOME BIZARRE ADDON THAT ALLOWS THE GAME TO REGISTER DUALCAST BEFORE LAUNCHING OFF THE VERSTONE/VERFIRE TO MAINTAIN CASTING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE?

is what I'd mention till I remembered that no addon can fix that.

and you still think MCH wouldn't have a problem when it's known to have a thread on it's own because overcharge exists. I'm very curious on how you execute overcharge without any issues, cause I doubt you can.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

let me guess... gray in alliance raids?

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Hidden, wonder why

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

150 ms is not "high ping". Nowhere NEAR it.

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Just more opinions on hard content from people who do no hard content. Why can't you just leave us alone and mind your own business?

For reference I do savage content & I play from South Africa and have 180-200ms to EU, so I can pretty confidently say that you're talking absolute rubbish about how ping works in this game. A lot of jobs are thus literally impossible to play as intended due to the animation locking. But don't let facts stop you from getting your kick out of being a troll I guess.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Plenty of people use ACT on extremes and even dungeons and world fates. Yes, dungeons and fates. It still boggles my mind. :p

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I present to you: The content with the barest minimum of performance required, such that any engagement lies solidly within the realm of overperformance -- and where that overperformance, itself, is probably the only way for most players to be engaged by said content.

Now, train your eyes upon the expression of shock my face as I tell you that, (for their sanity's sake) many people use performance metric to scrape from that content what engagement they can. Oh, the absurdity!

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yet here I was on an NA server with MCH at 400 ms and...........I managed.

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Define managed?
Your group carried you?
You would never do heat blast optimally at that ping, you would never weave properly at that ping. A large portion of MCH dps is weaves and heat blast.

Getting by isn't fun, being able to play the game is fun.