Ishgard Housing Details are Out

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Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo

Is there a reason you're posting this in general instead of Housing?

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Wait, you mean there are other forum sections? Huh, you learn something new every day.

Me saving up 3 million gil only to find out I won't be able to buy a house unless a bot decides I can

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What a crock, man. If the Island Sanctuaries don't have some kind of housing, I'm probably going to have to refill my copium prescription.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

True. But it is WAY more effort than letting some bots clicking the "Buy"-button all the time. And it is still not sure because of the RNG. I doubt, that Gil sellers will do that. You will also need way more payed accounts to do this (costs real money), more chars at level 50 and more Gil involved to be more effective.


Cheers

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Just throwing out there that whales don't care about how much something costs. The people that do participate in this form of house selling do exist and are capable of multi-boxing, buying gil on a moment's notice and spend hundreds on sub fees per month. It might look like effort to you, but it's child's play to them. Some people genuinely just want to be "on top" and will blow exorbitant amounts of money to do so because they can, should check out mobile games with any sort of ranking system..same thing applies.

Just came here to say I hate they are doing entire system lottery after hanging the hope of leaving a few fcfs wards.

Also that I do like the fact they are leaving some plots fc only and some private only.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

What a crock, man. If the Island Sanctuaries don't have some kind of housing, I'm probably going to have to refill my copium prescription.

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Time to buy stock in the copium producing companies.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Just throwing out there that whales don't care about how much something costs. The people that do participate in this form of house selling do exist and are capable of multi-boxing, buying gil on a moment's notice and spend hundreds on sub fees per month. It might look like effort to you, but it's child's play to them. Some people genuinely just want to be "on top" and will blow exorbitant amounts of money to do so because they can, should check out mobile games with any sort of ranking system..same thing applies.

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True. But with the current system everybody can do that. If SQEX opens a new server or data center, the people who are online early can buy all the big and middle sized houses without competition. And then they dictate the prices for them. People who are at work at the time have no chance and must pay higher prices when they want a house. With the new system it does not work anymore because of the RNG. Being a whale will not really help you. It will increase your chance to get a house when you throw many level 50 chars with millions of Gil each against the RNG. But it does not guarantee anything. And selling those houses will also be far more difficult, especially for the buyer. You buy a house for many million Gil and you cannot access it for a longer period of time. Not everybody will do that.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Would you rather a Skiros post on manly-men or something?

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Kinda miss him tbh

It's a bandaid fix again. A fairer one that makes RMTers work a lot harder for their money, but still a bandaid over a gushing wound.

SE needs to either give up on neighborhood style housing and finally implement instanced housing, or invest in a lot more hardware in order to open up enough housing for everyone. Nothing short of that is going to be satisfactory.

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Originally Posted by Jagick

Seems to me that anyone with tons of gil and/or multiple characters with tons of gil will just run around and place entries on every plot they can afford to do so on where as sprouts with barely enough gil to make a play for a single plot just get shafted by this system

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Yes, you're correct.

The FCs with the most players in a land-purchasing capable rank who can afford to park 50m on each have the best shot at large houses. Some of those FCs may end up being mostly alt accounts. Considering that 1b gil buys 20 tickets to even the most expensive house, rich players/FCs have a considerable advantage here.

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Originally Posted by Jagick

Seems to me that anyone with tons of gil and/or multiple characters with tons of gil will just run around and place entries on every plot they can afford to do so on where as sprouts with barely enough gil to make a play for a single plot just get shafted by this system. This is a week-old, soaked bandaid on what is already a very broken system. It says "one lottery entry per lottery period" but it doesn't specify if that's per plot or just one entry period.

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If I remember correctly, one character can only place a bid on 1 house.
So 1 character won't be able to place on multiple.
Alts however Idunno.
Can't remember reading/hearing anything if the bid is account or not.

Are they making fc only wards? If they didn’t specify that anywhere then I’m assuming private housing buyers will only be allowed to buy smalls. I remember reading that if players in a fc have buying power they can bid for one house each, meaning 20 people in a fc with privileges can bid on 20 places, they would lose their money if they won more than one place though.

I wish they would add one ward in each housing area that was instanced. I know people complained they wanted their neighborhoods but if one ward was instanced then at least people would get something.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

I can't count the ways in which this system plain sucks.

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Why? Because you can't bot click your way to a purchase?

I'm not one who is looking to get a house (apartment is sufficient to me). But if I am, with everything on lottery system I would just give up from even trying knowing I have never won lucky draws, raffles, or anything similar in my life. lol

Hmm.. this should be interesting lol. I really hope apartments get updated in the future and allow us to have different sized apartments and at least access to gardening. I will still try to get a medium cause why not at this point. But I really am hoping apartments receive some major updates in the future to help with this.

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Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd

I have no doubts that the people who have championed this system will be happy with it. Its gonna be down the road a couple of months when all the houses are taken and those people who fought for a lottery system are still without a house because of RNG will people start to show there discontent.

I'll say that the lotto system is just a little bit fairer and a whole lot healthier than the FCFS only system that we had before but there's one glaring system that could solve the whole housing problem and its on Papa Squenix to pony up the money to make that happen.

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They could make housing instanced and everyone could get one and players would still complain. There is no perfect system.

Don't worry. The Island Sanctuaries will fix it.
It's a good sign that there's been literally zero said about the sanctuaries since their announcement.
So they're SURELY the full-featured, infinite instanced housing that everybody wants.
R-right? R-r-right?

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Originally Posted by Ransu

They could make housing instanced and everyone could get one and players would still complain. There is no perfect system.

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People would be over the moon with instanced housing because it’s fix this mess.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

So they're SURELY the full-featured, infinite instanced housing that everybody wants.

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Yoshi-P himself specifically stated that they will not. If we're lucky we'll be able to do outdoor gardening. If it goes they way I expect it to it'll be a third gardening system to be abandoned in a patch or two.

The system we had, and currently have, were/are also terrible. But this just takes things to a whole new level of bad. Many people, including myself, tried to sound the alarm on this when others were asking for a lottery system. They did not listen. So...here we are. I hate to say (not really) I told you guys so but...I told you so.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Why? Because you can't bot click your way to a purchase?

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Pretty sure it's because you get only one shot to get a house every nine days.

While we're on the topic of botting, I feel like this system only is going to encourage more people to make alts with the sole purpose of flooding lottery plots to ensure their FC gets it. That way it can be sold off (if they're in the black market side of things) or weighed heavily in favor of said FC (specifically referring to those FCs that have hundreds of members) and the cycle ever continues.

I see nothing here that's going to actually fix a problem outside of hand/wrist issues from camping.

For me this new system is worse than the old one, simply because you can only bid on one single plot. At least it would have been nice to bid on as many houses as long as someone is able to pay the money.

Honestly the chances right now to get a plot are not much higher than before the change imo. But at least with the old system one could have still gotten another house in a different location if they are fast enough. Now you only can pick one and hope for the best.

Yeah, this is exactly how I see it is going to roll out. The so called restriction is merely 30 days in FC. I pity those praising this delusional system while most of dedicated already got 7 alts ready

Me reading this thread while happy with the room at the inn:

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

People would be over the moon with instanced housing because it’s fix this mess.

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People don't seem to be over the moon with apartments.

Apartments lack an outdoor area. Give them a second room and a nice useable balcony and fewer people would ask for a house.

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

Are they making fc only wards? If they didn’t specify that anywhere then I’m assuming private housing buyers will only be allowed to buy smalls. I remember reading that if players in a fc have buying power they can bid for one house each, meaning 20 people in a fc with privileges can bid on 20 places, they would lose their money if they won more than one place though.

I wish they would add one ward in each housing area that was instanced. I know people complained they wanted their neighborhoods but if one ward was instanced then at least people would get something.

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Under Purchase availability it says:

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Housing areas are divided into plots available for purchase by either free companies or private buyers, and a plot’s usage is restricted accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Ilisidi

Apartments lack an outdoor area. Give them a second room and a nice useable balcony and fewer people would ask for a house.

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We don't even get air conditioning. :(

Yeah, we definitely need the ability to change the layout or size. I think an outdoor area would be fantastic too - like a "community" garden so we can have full access to gardening. Balconies could be used to put in some outdoor furniture. Ugh I think it'd help alleviate some of the issues at least. Apartments, as they are right now, feel too limited and bare.

Well, I suppose this would just essentially be the good ole phrase "The lesser of two evils".

Neither are exactly brilliant choices. But I would take a system completely down to random chance than what I would for a system that essentially encourages botting or automation behaviour.

EVERYONE complained and now they can live with what they've done. The system was fine if you put the time in. Now? We're going back to LARGE FC's owning NUMEROUS plots of land. Because as soon as the first details came out, I saw loads of FC's that are quite large and have stacks of gil talk about making alt FC's, leveling them up (since it take virtually no time) spend a few hours leveling their characters because that takes no time either. And then just wait for the housing ot throw 50+ tickets onto a house to get it. On ALL their FC's now. SE quite literally gave them a "Legal" work around to the system that everyone complained about before lmfao

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Originally Posted by Padudu

We don't even get air conditioning. :(

Yeah, we definitely need the ability to change the layout or size. I think an outdoor area would be fantastic too - like a "community" garden so we can have full access to gardening. Balconies could be used to put in some outdoor furniture. Ugh I think it'd help alleviate some of the issues at least. Apartments, as they are right now, feel too limited and bare.

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You're literally getting the Island for gardening and your outside area lmfao

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

People would be over the moon with instanced housing because it’s fix this mess.

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$100 says if they added instanced housing people would absolutely complain about it being immersion breaking because the house would be in a basic instance without the rest of the area and other houses and players running around.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

You're literally getting the Island for gardening and your outside area lmfao

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Bruh we don't know anything about Island Sanctuary I'm not getting my hopes up lol. For all we know it's just an island where you can't place any existing furniture and all you can do is garden.

And Island Sanc. still doesn't solve the problem with how apartments is barebones. Yoshi-P wants housing to feel like a community so.. why not a shared outdoor space for apartments where you see other people? It's not like they don't exist lol.

Also there's this concept of... multiple options lmao. Why not both, I mean you can have an apartment and a house anyways.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

$100 says if they added instanced housing people would absolutely complain about it being immersion breaking because the house would be in a basic instance without the rest of the area and other houses and players running around.

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Sorry, what players?

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Originally Posted by Ransu

$100 says if they added instanced housing people would absolutely complain about it being immersion breaking because the house would be in a basic instance without the rest of the area and other houses and players running around.

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Considering the majority of wards on Lich (my home world) are dead, it's basically instanced housing anyway. I check them from time-to-time and beyond a few FCs and some RP spots, most wards are dead and the houses barely change either. I don't see why instanced housing would actually be that bad. In fact, you could actually make future housing wards into the main cities and stuff directly rather than cornering them off into their own sections under that model.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Bruh we don't know anything about Island Sanctuary I'm not getting my hopes up lol. For all we know it's just an island where you can't place any existing furniture and all you can do is garden.

And Island Sanc. still doesn't solve the problem with how apartments is barebones. Yoshi-P wants housing to feel like a community so.. why not a shared outdoor space for apartments where you see other people? It's not like they don't exist lol.

Also there's this concept of... multiple options lmao. Why not both, I mean you can have an apartment and a house anyways.

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Okay so now you're wanting more than what you said. Because Island is essentially for EVERYONE to garden and have a place to do so. But now you want to use furniture. You wanna do that. Use the apartment. Period.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Pretty sure it's because you get only one shot to get a house every nine days.

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Exactly. And after the one shot, there'll be very little left to lottery. If they MUST lottery, rather than making you just pick one plot, they should just put everyone interested in a big pool and distribute that way.


The lottery isn't a bad idea when there's just a few plots open and it's better than camping (though guess what, bots can still win, and likely will as there can be multiples). It's a ridiculous idea for Materia that will have all the wards open that way. It's better to use landrush for new wards, then use the lottery for resales.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

Okay so now you're wanting more than what you said. Because Island is essentially for EVERYONE to garden and have a place to do so. But now you want to use furniture. You wanna do that. Use the apartment. Period.

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Are you replying just to argue with me or what lmfao. Read back to my first post where I said, "yeah balconies could be added to add some outdoor furniture". If it's just gardening, still don't see why we can't have both apartment gardening and island sanc? Again we don't know anything about Island Sanc. and until there's more details on it, I'm not commenting on it. If island sanc. is just gardening, that's just full on disappointing bro, I can't cap.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

Exactly. And after the one shot, there'll be very little left to lottery. If they MUST lottery, rather than making you just pick one plot, they should just put everyone interested in a big pool and distribute that way.


The lottery isn't a bad idea when there's just a few plots open and it's better than camping (though guess what, bots can still win, and likely will as there can be multiples). It's a ridiculous idea for Materia that will have all the wards open that way. It's better to use landrush for new wards, then use the lottery for resales.

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Then you'd have entire servers on every single house plot clogging the lottery system. That's a terrible idea.

What they NEED to do is only allow ONE FC ENTRY per house. Period. Not allow everybody and their brother in the FC to put an entry in.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

It’s a complete joke. Endwalker continues to disappoint me.

My Fc have scrimped and saved from its founding to have enough in the bank to get a mansion in Empyreum. I’m so fucking proud and thankful to all of them that have helped.

This rng bull**** is just a slap in the face to everyone.

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Under the old/current system, you aren't guaranteed a mansion and have to compete with a lot of other players who also have gil to buy the mansion. You could have multiple people in your FC try and buy the mansion too but they all need to have enough gil on them to purchase. So how is this a slap to people without houses?

What I'd like know, can multiple people from and FC put in lottery entries for different plots? It Didn't clarify that, as it said only one character may register an entry, but not if you could send FC members to try for different plots on the same lottery period, assuming you have the funds. For example, can I put a bid on a mansion, and have my other FC leader put another bid on an entirely different mansion somewhere else. If this were the case, I guess you'd run the risk of losing gil, on the off chance you win both, since you can only relocate/move to one. But that's hardly a concern. Maybe an FC acts as one entity, or one "character", so it (it being whoever in the FC makes the first bid) would only be able to try for a single plot. I just wish it clarified that somewhere, idk, maybe I just missed it in the post.