Sales resumption, Home World Transfer resumption, and Oceanic Data Centre announced

They need to improve their netcode to facilitate , at the very least, say having 12 servers per logical data center in the EU data center instead of 8 per data center. This is beyond technically feasible (it just requires work, of course) and consistently increasing segmentation of the playerbase could lead to some serious and very possible issues if either the population numbers dont increase or, worse, if they dip. Can further increase phenomena like data centers that are focused and concentrate content like PvP, also hinder static creation overall and on and on . A possible disaster waiting to happen, that is completely possible to be accounted for if the proper measures and work is put towards it.

failing all else there is just about Z E R O reason (and no, "our old bad netcode can't handle it" is not a valid reason) for the game not to have cross logical data center (still keeping physical restrictions) duty finder or even party finder matching. Devs please don't do this.

Don't forget they are re-opening sales - if people don't willingly move to the new OC datacenter there's nothing stopping them from making it the only data center new players can join.

Is home world transfer 25th or 26th?

Just saw this on there site , or am i missing something?

Recommencement of the Home World Transfer Service
"Due to server congestion following the launch of Endwalker, the Home World Transfer Service is currently suspended. However, with logins becoming less concentrated due to players making progress, and the Oceanian Data Center now ready, we'll be resuming the service on Wednesday, January 26, 2022 (JST)."

What's preventing them from increasing the player capacity on existing worlds? I just want to be able to play on my world with all my friends without waiting in a queue because no one wants to move to a new server. Surely it can't be that hard to upgrade existing worlds instead of further dividing the player base among more worlds???

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Originally Posted by Garet

Tonberry and Kujata will not be moved to new oceanic data center to jumpstart the population there? Sad :(

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A lot of us on Tonberry do NOT want to move. People like me are in Japan. A lot of others are in SEA rather than Australia and would get worse ping to the new DC. No need to force it on anyone.

There is no reason why cross-region DC travel shouldn't be allowed realistically.

I want to be able to have my homeworld with US friends, but play on EU servers when I want to bust out MCH or do static raiding groups.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I can't belive some people still find stuffs to complain about amid the new servers going up. For some the cup truly is never full.

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I was thinking the exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by Karious

What's preventing them from increasing the player capacity on existing worlds? I just want to be able to play on my world with all my friends without waiting in a queue because no one wants to move to a new server. Surely it can't be that hard to upgrade existing worlds instead of further dividing the player base among more worlds???

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Unfortunately we don't know the backend infrastructure which SQEX uses for their servers. But when i see what trouble they have to get new servers then i assume that their backend hardware is very exotic. Maybe they use something like Itanium or SPARC or PowerPC architecture ... i don't know. If they use something like that then they should make a port to more common architecture like x86 or ARM.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I can't belive some people still find stuffs to complain about amid the new servers going up. For some the cup truly is never full.

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I can't believe people still finds time to complain about people who are just voicing their concerns. For some, complaining just seems to be their cup....

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Originally Posted by Markfresh

Is home world transfer 25th or 26th?

Just saw this on there site , or am i missing something?

Recommencement of the Home World Transfer Service
"Due to server congestion following the launch of Endwalker, the Home World Transfer Service is currently suspended. However, with logins becoming less concentrated due to players making progress, and the Oceanian Data Center now ready, we'll be resuming the service on Wednesday, January 26, 2022 (JST)."

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It depends on your time zone.

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Originally Posted by Garet

probably longer wait time on dungeons, raids etc though or will they be connected to other datacenter populations? otherwise unless the ping is unbearable on your current server there is no incentive to move to an empty datacenter unless you like playing like a single player game

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OCE players want OCE servers? Now they'll get them. And if the queues are so bad because low population, then that will be an OCE problem. If their population is so bad that they have bad queues, then that'll teach em to keep asking for servers when their population cant sustain healthy queues.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

OCE players want OCE servers? Now they'll get them. And if the queues are so bad because low population, then that will be an OCE problem. If their population is so bad that they have bad queues, then that'll teach em to keep asking for servers when their population cant sustain healthy queues.

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There is nothing wrong with asking for servers that will be more enjoyable to play in. And not all people were asking for a datacenter. Of course having an oceanic datacenter with a very active and healthy population is the best case scenario.

For years English players were just asking for some designation of english servers even if they are part of the jpn datacenters so that people can gather there. For years players from SE Asia and other english language players here in Asia decided to choose and make unofficial english server out of Masamune Tonberry Kujata etc. instead. The Problem though is it still spread out english players who sometimes still get separated from each other and made those servers congested to which jpn players actually sometimes complain that it was us english players who are at fault for making their servers congested. So pointing the blame on just one group of people is so biased and negative of you.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

No cross region travel is incredibly disappointing. GG to us hoping to both move and continue playing with Americani friends we've been playing with the last decade. I won't be moving my main, it seems.

Yoshi has said differences due to "game economy and values". If they're so concerned about people going to the Japanese servers, just wall them off.

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Why not simply disallow use of the market board while visiting another region if "game economy and values" is the problem?

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Originally Posted by Garet

There is nothing wrong with asking for servers that will be more enjoyable to play in. And not all people were asking for a datacenter. Of course having an oceanic datacenter with a very active and healthy population is the best case scenario.

For years English players were just asking for some designation of english servers even if they are part of the jpn datacenters so that people can gather there. For years players from SE Asia and other english language players here in Asia decided to choose and make unofficial english server out of Masamune Tonberry Kujata etc. instead. The Problem though is it still spread out english players who sometimes still get separated from each other and made those servers congested to which jpn players actually sometimes complain that it was us english players who are at fault for making their servers congested. So pointing the blame on just one group of people is so biased and negative of you.

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Read properly what i said.

I said, again, that if they want their own servers/dc so bad, then they better pray they have the population to sustain healthy queues.

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Originally Posted by Garet

It is technically similar. Europeans joined NA servers knowing they are NA servers as well. When they moved those two world to the new Euro Datacenter from NA they also brought NA players there to Europe. I think they offered free transfers for both ways, in and out of the new EU DC, for those that wanted to go back to NA servers from EU.

But yes the big difference here is that the japanese is their main customers so their voices understandably carries more weight than NA players.

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No, the servers moved from NA to EU were already labeled EU servers while they were here. They were just physically here. But meant for EU players to congregate on.

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Originally Posted by Garet

probably longer wait time on dungeons, raids etc though or will they be connected to other datacenter populations? otherwise unless the ping is unbearable on your current server there is no incentive to move to an empty datacenter unless you like playing like a single player game

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Oh my god, dude. They stalled this long because they didn't see a need for it, and now the need is overly abundant. And you think there's gonna be a bunch of dead servers. Holy schnitzel.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Read properly what i said.

I said, again, that if they want their own servers/dc so bad, then they better pray they have the population to sustain healthy queues.

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Read what I posted properly. There is nothing wrong with asking for better servers to play in and that oceanic players were not asking for their own d/c as badly as you are implying. what a toxic person lol.

Like I Posted earlier. What most english oceanic player wanted early on was an official designation of english servers players could flock into with their friends and fellow english language players. But because SE did not decide to do that, players just decided to assign unofficial english servers which did not totally fix the problem because it made those servers congested and therefore made some players still unable to go into server where their friends are. And on top of that it made some japanese playerbase blame these english players for making their server the unofficial oceanic server and congesting it.

Besides I think in time the new oceanic d/c will have the population to sustain itself. Just that it will be slower without them moving some populated servers into it like they did with the EU datacenter to jumpstart the population.

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Originally Posted by Garet

It will discourage a huge number of oceanic players in jp worlds from moving to the new datacenter though which will slow down population growth there. Why would people move to an empty datacenter unless the ping is unbearable for them in the jp datacenter.

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A good portion of the OCE and SEA players in my FC on the Elemental DC (the same as Tonberry) are going to be moving to Materia when it opens. Nearly everyone in one of my linkshells, 99% of whom are on Tonberry, plan on going to Materia as well. There will be no shortage of people heading there, I assure you.

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Originally Posted by Garet

This is my fear as well. Unless the new oceanic datacenter is connected to the jp datacenter for duty finders etc. The low population of the new oceanic datacenter will be a big problem.

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As the unofficial EN DC, Elemental's going to lose a substantial portion of it's population when transfers open. I'm honestly more concerned about finding DF groups on the JP servers than on the OCE ones.

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Originally Posted by seida

A lot of us on Tonberry do NOT want to move. People like me are in Japan. A lot of others are in SEA rather than Australia and would get worse ping to the new DC. No need to force it on anyone.

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Would you please expand on this, Seida? The great majority of people from Tonberry and Kujata that I have contact with are planning on moving. I realize since I'm not on Tonberry my communication pool is small and I'd like to know more about how the general EN population on Tonberry are feeling and why. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Oh my god, dude. They stalled this long because they didn't see a need for it, and now the need is overly abundant. And you think there's gonna be a bunch of dead servers. Holy schnitzel.

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Where in my post did I say the oceanic datacenter will fail? I just said it will be quite dead at the start since the population will be very low and comprising of mostly new players. And without olders server population to jumpstart it, it will take longer to populate than had they done what they did to the EU datacenter when they opened it. The queues will be bad especially if you happen to play on offpeak hours since the playerbase will be very very small.

In time I am sure it will fill itself up. Especially after 4-6 months when the new players they funnel there also begin to do max content and do olders contents and alt jobs.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

A good portion of the OCE and SEA players in my FC on the Elemental DC (the same as Tonberry) are going to be moving to Materia when it opens. Nearly everyone in one of my linkshells, 99% of whom are on Tonberry, plan on going to Materia as well. There will be no shortage of people heading there, I assure you.



As the unofficial EN DC, Elemental's going to lose a substantial portion of it's population when transfers open. I'm honestly more concerned about finding DF groups on the JP servers than on the OCE ones.

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I do still plan to move as well but not outright. And contrary to yours, most of the SE players I know ingame and their FC are planning to stay because they said the ping will probably be the same more or less so there is no incentive for them lose what they already have here in Tonberry. Although a lot said they will create an alt there just to experience it and see.

Among my Aussie friends it is 50/50. Most do want and will probably go but some will also see how it goes first as well like me.

edit: Although I sometimes think it is indeed better to move in the long run. Even though I expect a lot of players will not outright move due to some concerns I think eventually it will slowly bleed the english playerbase such that in the future there might be too few left as players quit game etc. Since they will be funneling english players to the oceanic d/c. I experienced this back when I was in Masamune. It was the unofficial oceanic server back even in 1.0 but when tonberry and then kujata became the new unofficial oceanic servers in 2.0 onwards, the english playerbase in masamune dried up so much that I rarely meet one during my play time and so I moved to tonberry last year when I came back to this game after I took a break after heavensward.

Thanks for the info Garet. The More You Know and all that. :)

Wait I am confused.....People were complaining that there were no new servers coming. Now that they are announced they are coming and have an actual date on when people are now complaining because of uhhh....what? data center transfers? enough is never enough for some people I guess.

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Thanks for the info Garet. The More You Know and all that. :)

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No problem. I just saw your edit and we basically have the same view with my edit as well haha.

Haha. I had to edit to add new quotes after reading through the thread.

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Wait I am confused.....People were complaining that there were no new servers coming. Now that they are announced they are coming and have an actual date on when people are now complaining because of uhhh....what? data center transfers? enough is never enough for some people I guess.

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Sigh another one who does not want to add anything to the discussion but complain about people who are discussing their concerns, views and plans. Sigh

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Haha. I had to edit to add new quotes after reading through the thread.

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Yea my fear is a repeat of my masamune experience where I did not want to spend to transfer to tonberry when it became the new unofficial oceanic server in 2.0 and I watched as the english playerbase in MAsamune slowly dried up since new english players went into Tonbery then Kujata etc. So I agree with your point that the possiblity of it happening here is very real as well. Hence I will surely decide before the free transfer expires lolz

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edit: Although I sometimes think it is indeed better to move in the long run. Even though I expect a lot of players will not outright move due to some concerns I think eventually it will slowly bleed the english playerbase such that in the future there might be too few left as players quit game etc. Since they will be funneling english players to the oceanic d/c. I experienced this back when I was in Masamune. It was the unofficial oceanic server back even in 1.0 but when tonberry and then kujata became the new unofficial oceanic servers in 2.0 onwards, the english playerbase in masamune dried up so much that I rarely meet one during my play time and so I moved to tonberry last year when I came back to this game after I took a break after heavensward.

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I'm part of a fairly small, but tight EN FC with people from all over the world; NA, EU, SEA, JP, OCE, and even the Middle East. I expect that Atomos will see an initial drop when we lose people to Materia, but we may see an increase from people in other regions that get better ping from JP DCs in the long run. We've got a fair number of native EN speakers who live in Japan on our server too. That demographic will likely be our best source of EN speakers going forward.

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Sigh another one who does not want to add anything to the discussion but complain about people who are discussing their concerns, views and plans. Sigh

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Sigh another one complaining just to complain sigh.....

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I'm part of a fairly small, but tight EN FC with people from all over the world; NA, EU, SEA, JP, OCE, and even the Middle East. I expect that Atomos will see an initial drop when we lose people to Materia, but we may see an increase from people in other regions that get better ping from JP DCs in the long run. We've got a fair number of native EN speakers who live in Japan on our server too. That demographic will likely be our best source of EN speakers going forward.

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Yea it will be a tough decision for SE players like me. Unlike australians and NZ players who will get a big improvement in their ping, SE Asia players like me might actually even have worse ping connecting to Australia. At best the ping will be the same so it all comes to population and community. This for me is what is important. If I moved and I don't enjoy it then there would have been zero benefit since ping wise I already don't have benefit haha

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

No cross region travel is incredibly disappointing. GG to us hoping to both move and continue playing with Americani friends we've been playing with the last decade. I won't be moving my main, it seems.

Yoshi has said differences due to "game economy and values". If they're so concerned about people going to the Japanese servers, just wall them off. I'm sure the rest of us don't really care.

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See, this is a perfect example of why complaints and complaint threads get backlash. Given that the article says they are aware of this concern and actively gauging community sentiment over it, my guess is you didn't bother to read the article and just complained to complain, like SO many other people on this forum.

On topic, this is fantastic news. Thanks for the communication YP & team.