If you did not fight the battle, don't expect a medal.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukasArtorias
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07-22-2021, 05:22 PMHysterior
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07-22-2021, 06:36 PMLuciaMirain
As someone who started a bit after ARR was released I would love to get something for having played that long (perhaps a version of the dalamud horn or some title). But I don't think I deserve the legacy stuff, that is something for the legacy players. They earned it. As it is now I have stayed subbed for over 6 years and I no longer get veteran rewards.
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07-22-2021, 07:43 PMCommander_JustitiaIt is really funny to read all these reasons why it should stay exclusive, but as soon as somebody uses the same reasons for PvP Ranked Seasons, they will be wrong ofc. Nice double standardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kes13a
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07-22-2021, 08:13 PMAuridaIt's true. They are both wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
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07-22-2021, 08:25 PMTintThe title you are looking for is "Elite Cascadier" wich came from the very first seasonal event after ARR launch back in september 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciaMirain
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07-22-2021, 08:34 PMKatsushiro
I have titles from 1.0 that I cannot use, actually. Is this a bug? It says I got the achievement, but the title is not unlocked.
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07-22-2021, 08:41 PMTintLooks like you have to contact a GM in game:Quote:
Originally Posted by Katsushiro
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Originally Posted by Camate
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07-22-2021, 10:21 PMCatwho
Legacy status was a gamble. When I started playing shortly after patch 1.23 and the game was actually sort of fun, if not quite fully functional, I decided to go ahead and pay the sub fee of $10 a month in case it worked out in my favor. We ended up going full Gamestonks in the end, but at the time I just figured I was probably wasting $30 for something that wasn't going to pan out.
So any time you see someone with a legacy title, or a legacy tattoo or chocobo, know that they bet against the system and won. -
07-22-2021, 11:08 PMValkyrie_LennethI would argue it isn't really the same thing, as feast rewards tend to be dominated by a small set of players actively preventing others from getting them, and the rewards themselves are limited in number, while legacy rewards were literally available to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
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07-23-2021, 12:06 AMCommander_Justitia
Feast rewards were available to everyone too, you just didn't play.
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07-23-2021, 12:08 AMValkyrie_LennethOh really? So if I didn't place in the top 100 I could get them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
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07-23-2021, 12:13 AMCommander_JustitiaOkay let me rephrase "Feast rewards were available to everyone too, you just didn't play the PvP mode."Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
Similar to people who played 1.0 but didn't sub for more days and then didn't get the full legacy status. You actually have to participate to get stuff. And if you don't like something, and miss it then, why should you get it? -
07-23-2021, 12:14 AMValkyrie_LennethI'm not actually asking for feast rewards to be made available, I'm just saying the 2 are not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
There was no arbitrary number limit on how many legacy accounts could be granted.
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07-23-2021, 12:27 AMCommander_JustitiaWell in my opinion, they are the same concept. I would have had to do something in the past to get the title/items, doesn't matter to me if its 10 or 10000 people who get it in the end. Why should I be entitled to get legacy or PvP ranked things now when it is all over. Ofc it is more difficult ranking in PvP than to sub 3 months in 1.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
I think MMORPGs need items that are rare and stay rare.
And I am sure you know the answer to that when you have 5k forum posts, you are probably a long time player. Anyway, Feast has rewards outside of top100, participation rewards "wolf collars" and titles, they are not the top100 rewards obviously, they are not quite good if you compare it to what PvE gets (Deepshadow tomestone weapons are pretty much the same style and much easier to get), but it is something. -
07-23-2021, 12:30 AMItMeIs this something that should be rewarded though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
No.
But the corporation wants to reward customer loyalty in order to keep your wallets in their pocket. -
07-23-2021, 01:20 AMKrotoanQuote:
Originally Posted by ItMe
And what's your point?
Yes the company wants to reward players who stuck with them. Why does this mean we should give those rewards to people who didn't?
Why shouldn't a game company reward players for continuing to support them even in the face of a failed game?> -
07-23-2021, 02:03 AMznushuGetting your legacy toons name in the creditsQuote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
Getting a back tattoo on that toon if carried over to ARR
and Getting a Sub Discount (costing instead 10$) is more then enough for a reward.
Beside a bunch of you seem to be forgetting one small detail here... they've already been selling legacy rewards for years now and the majorities take at the time it was revealed was generally "who cares" so really, what's the argument here again?
https://i.ibb.co/Chx24J9/legacy-rewa...-ff14-shop.jpg
oh yeah, achievements from legacy. Well, I said this before and I'll say it again. I'm fine with legacy achievements being achievable again but only if the Legacy version of the product becomes a playable product again and they earn it through playing through it like it should be. The mounts earned and carried over... yea, I stopped caring about that years ago especially with everything else they added to the mogstation. -
07-23-2021, 02:14 AMItMeMy point is that argument is consumer hostile but the overall question is moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
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07-23-2021, 02:20 AMKyuuenNot sure if you're aware or not, but the China market is handled completely different from that of the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by znushu
To the topic at hand, no. People that play the lottery get no place in making claims they didn't win due to not playing in the past. People that want to place and be a notable figure in the Olympics don't whine for not having been there due to their own choices. In short if you wanted it, you should have been there and put forth the time. "But I wasn't playing back then!" that's not an excuse or reason to implement this, be there or miss out. People missed out. Time to be adults, admit they missed out, and move on. (note, this is aimed more at the actual legacy rewards) -
07-23-2021, 04:31 AMMalakiiLol, logic in the forums are interesting. These two examples you give are not relevant to legacy achievements. People that play the lottery still have a chance to win the lottery wither or not they claim or don't claim that they didn't win due to not playing in the past. You still have the ability to obtain it. People that want to be a notable figure in the olympics dont whine for not having been there due to their own choices, but if they make the choice to do it then they can be. Hence still obtainable. Ofc i am using the same blanket statement that you are. Assuming they actually could be a notable figure in the olympics because of their choices. Assuming they had the skills, strength, endurance, determination. IF you think people dont whine about not having these skills then you are dead wrong. The point is all these are obtainable if you have the requirements or get lucky enough to win the lotto. Also this is life, FFXIV is a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
You have no chance to obtain the 1.0 achievements anymore. As someone that was around during 1.0 that bought the collectors edition. I don't give a rat's ass if everyone can get the tattoo, legacy mounts, the achievements. I played 1.0 because I loved final fantasy and didn't need any rewards to continue to do so. Was it in a terrible state, ofc, did it improve over time before 2.0 yes. Was there other games I could have played, sure. I wanted to play 1.0 and i dont deserve a trophy for that and i play it up till the end. The fact they give us a lower sub is more than they need to do. The title/the rewards are 10 years old. You really want to gate keep that. Its a game not real life. People are so for SE taking things out of the game.
What they need to do is stop taking things out of the game. Stop time gating stupid events like Ishgard restoration (i have the title btw) and pvp mounts lock behind seasons as a one time reward only for that season is so dumb especially for wanting new players to pick up their game. I get why they do it for pvp because they want to funnel people into it, but the fact is it is season 20 and pvp isn't that great. Then those that might want to do it just for the mount. Well if you missed a season x who cares anymore cause you can't get them all. So why not miss this season and the next and the next. Additionally the things SE decides to be time gated exclusivity are plagued with bots and win-traders lol. Why isn't ultimate locked out for time exclusivity. Why can people get the same title as they people that did it first. I am not for doing that I just think this inconsistent approach that SE is taking and this gate keeping is a joke.
I dont even really want to start on achievements/title. They are a mess and alot of them are just do this 1 thing x amount of times. Where x is a redicolous number like i think that just let a random number generator pick for them cause their is sure no logic in it. Where is the logic in 10,000 accursed hordes or a legacy achievement like Never Met a Corpse I Couldn't Rifle. Earn a cumulative total of 100,000,000 gil from defeating enemies. If the person want to put the time into it they should be able to get it. Assuming the have the time, dedication, and skill. In all honestly the achievement system needs to be reworked and they need to get back to putting digital content in game instead of taking it out of the game. These people, myself including, aren't asking to automatically be given shit. We asking to be able to earn things in the game like everyone else did without being punish for suporting them for 5 years then finally taking a break or just starting yesterday. -
07-23-2021, 05:21 AMLuciaMirainI dont really care for titles, but I would love the dalamud horn or a version of it. Thanks for letting me know though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
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07-23-2021, 05:21 AMKyuuenYou have a right to that opinion, but not everyone shares it, myself; obviously being one of them. And you can label it as gate keeping all you want, but that is not what it is. It is simply having or not having been there for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malakii
My point regarding the lottery and the Olympics is such that if you weren't there for it you aren't entitled to past rewards. -
07-23-2021, 05:33 AMMalakiiI agree with you, but if you love the game. How does denying the new players or people that just need a break for a while benefit the game. How does it help final fantasy grow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
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07-23-2021, 05:36 AMAlexandre_Noireau
Legacy items and status are the only Timelocked content that should never be opened to anyone.
Is the only form of exclusivity that should be off the reach of any new players.
Now fix the Feast and let me grind my Hellhounds, thank you. -
07-23-2021, 06:09 AMSnorky
To take away the pride of people who supported this game during a period that was turbulent is not right. Should I be a astronaut because Jeff Bezos went up in space and the thanked me as a Amazon customer for paying for it? To me it's disrespectful to try and take a piece of gaming history from those who stuck through it. It trivializes those who stayed and put in the time. I didn't stay and I am okay with not earning a title or tattoo. It's IMOP
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07-23-2021, 07:45 AMHaustiBut at the same time SE keeps adding rewards from older saisonal events to the store for those who missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
And yet you guys sound almost like children who are afraid that theire parents takes away theire shiny exclusive toy and gives it to all the kids in the room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
Imagine for one moment please:
Even if every single player out there had the same archivements, titles or mounts, your character would still be unique to you. And thats because of the unique memories you share with it. -
07-23-2021, 09:22 AMVahlnirI mean, I'd be 110% okay with this as long as I got a ride to space and back. :p Just one. Being a temporary astronaut would be fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snorky
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07-23-2021, 09:41 AMKrotoanI don't think they were OWED anything but citing that there are a lot of things that were rewarded for it doesn't mean that the requirements for them were any less unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by znushu
Yeah, you get a lot of cool things for having stuck with it. Nobody is asking for MORE stuff .. except apparently people who want to fulfill the literal letter of the achievement without the context which was the entire point making it special.
Considering China is really it's own thing, basically "franchised" FFXIV.. that's them. Am I surprised a market that values profit above all else decided to sell absolutely everything? No. This doesn't change what the original intent of "legacy" stuff was though.Quote:
Originally Posted by znushu
Great.. cause that's very likely not happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by znushu
In Yoshi's own words:
"NIGHTMARE!"
The whole idea is moot. This is almost certainly never happening and we are likely never getting "FFXIV classic" so that it'll be an option. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItMe
I'm not sure why you'd even say that as it has been said a few times.
And what's hostile about rewarding people who supported the company in a bad time?
It wasn't a smart decision for sure, but it's not like anyone knew it was going to happen or that they were going to be rewarded. It was severely after the fact.
I understand there's a faction in here who likes to overblow any negative "corporation evil!" thing they can.. but this really isn't some evil gatcha/gambling hook they're exploiting. -
07-23-2021, 10:30 AMCanadaneI'll boldy claim the same for both systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
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07-23-2021, 12:08 PMDoH
I see this argument all too often from entitled players, in regard to mounts/titles/glamour from both Legacy FFXIV and the Feast. In both cases a small minority of the players supported a game/mode that was not widely popular at the time and provided feedback that SE has used to improve each, and in both cases entitled players have demanded that they be given access to those same rewards. I’m glad SE has (for the most part) ignored the entitled players and continued to keep this stuff exclusive.
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07-23-2021, 12:16 PMMerrnryn
Honestly, as a Legacy player that is missing their titles and achievements, I'd just like mine back thank you very much.
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07-23-2021, 03:04 PMItMeI mean, if people aren't allowed to say something that's already been said the mods can probably cut this thread down to about 2 pages lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
IDK
I don't know how I can lay it out differently without just restating myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
Thanking people for sticking with a bad product is one thing, but a lot of the arguments being tossed around are about supporting blind loyalty, which I disagree with. -
07-23-2021, 03:05 PMlezard21
You will find that once everyone and their grandmas is running around wearing the cool, rare, unique thing it stops being cool, rare and unique and you no longer want it, rendering the whole point behind this thread moot
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07-23-2021, 03:33 PMKrotoanIt's not that you're not allowed. I'm not a moderator. I'm wondering if you just popped in to only respond to the end there. It's been repeated kind of a lot is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItMe
Maybe clarify at what point this was a move by the company just to manipulate people and how it embodies any sort of consumer hostile practice?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItMe
The company is a company. It deserves no loyalty. Ever. I'll be the first to tell you that. I don't see how people appreciating and outlining why the "hey y'all who played the game even when there was a fire in the engine room and we were circling the drain... you can keep your titles and here have some stuff that shows you were there for it" rewards shouldn't and cannot be repeated translates into "you should always blindly support companies because you MIGHT get stuff if they salvage the dumpsterfire of a game you were tricked into buying".
Throwing good money after bad is a bad idea and will not usually result in rewards. It just did this time and asking for those rewards as someone who didn't participate in the actual event in its entirety is not understanding the whole of why those rewards exist.
SE does some shady things sometimes. They participate in FOMO like a lot of other companies do (which I hate) and the whole reason for ARR being necessary is because they thought they could exploit the FF fanbase for some money while investing very little. However every once in a while individual developer teams can implement or get things done for players that show genuine appreciation and aren't just another boobytrapped present. "Caveat Emptor" always but sometimes the free gift is just a gift, not bait. -
07-23-2021, 03:49 PMGarnix
Not a 1.X player (probably would have been if it was on console but...well...)
The only way titles should be obtainable again is if they bring back 1.X servers (and that will not happen). Titles are linked to achievements. To complete an achievement, you need to...achieve something.
And there is no reason to get the same title from doing a different achievement in the current game.
I think people should push more for the Ishgard restoration ranking titles than for 1.X titles. There is really no reason not to have Ishgard seasons happening on a regular basis.
The reduced sub fee is also clearly deserved.
Other legacy items are a bit more debatable in my opinion. But I am not as mad at those than I am seeing people with a fancy emote just because they bought a really expensive merch that I personally would not want in my house. -
07-23-2021, 03:54 PMItMeWhy not both?Quote:
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07-23-2021, 04:09 PMKrotoanSo the company should NOT reward those who played even when the game was junk because it MIGHT encourage people to do so on other projects in the future that do not result in the same positive outcome?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItMe
The FUNCTION was to reward those who remained. The possible implied reinforcement MIGHT be the former.
People have agency and brains. Just because something might possibly encourage bad judgement doesn't mean it's consumer hostile. This isn't railroading us into a choice or even a thing that gets done a lot so as to obviously be a scheme.
So no it's not both. Intention and implementation goes very far in determining what is a practice and what is just an event. There are many many many examples of a bad game just being bad or a game failing and nobody ever getting anything out of sticking around:
Anthem, Bless, Firefall, Evolution, Wildstar, Maple Story 2. This is just the stuff I personally participated in that I can remember.
How many games has SE given people stuff in the remade version of a failed game they released? How many games in general have done this?
I can't think of any. This is not some reinforcement of a habit. It's not a viable strategy either since you have to absolutely fail a game first to make the opportunity.
Yes I'm pretty sure that nobody at SE argued that the FFXIV team shouldn't do the legacy rewards and saw that it was good PR. Just assuming everything is evil corporation tendrils is not a good argument against anything though. -
07-23-2021, 08:24 PMBurmecia
As much as I too would like to see some 1.0 stuff become available again(*)
--- I don't wanna take more special stuff away from our dwindling number of Legacy players.
(*Lauan/Willow/Yew/Oak Halfmasks; to satisfy my massive want to cosplay NPC, mostly not even for rp purpose!)
Like the chocobo, or the Goobbue. Or the Dalamud horn? Or the achievements/titles. 1.0 was that much of special kinda hell, as they say and as many have, so they deserve the goodies :'D
(*i know healers/casters/ranged get similar mask as lvl56 crafted headpiece --- the gem on it's forehead just triggers something in me and i don't want it!!) -
07-23-2021, 11:43 PMItMeSure, but what about their next MMO, or maybe anither sometime in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
They've done it once, there is preecedent.
Maybe this doesn't mean anything for you personally, but it does for many others.
I understand you feel that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
I feel differently.
Guess that's all that can be said. -
07-24-2021, 12:02 AMDoH
SE gave players a cool cap and a chair in DQBII depending on how far through DQBI players made it, just as another example. I wouldn’t necessarily call either of these “failed” games but there is certainly precedent for getting rewards in one game for having played a previous iteration. Herme’s Shoes (for playing FFXI) and Asuran Armguards (for playing FFXIII) are examples of other time-gated special items granted to players who played other SE games at the time (technically Asuran Armguards can still be obtained but only if you have a new first-print copy of FFXIII, and even then you have to work with SE’s support team since the codes don’t work any more, and depending on who you talk to there they may deny it so I still consider it a time-gated item).