Please just delete the glamour system and add a glamour closet system

So... interesting enough that Final Fantasy XI: Online has a transmog system that (I'd actually like), however, seems to be hit or miss with the XIV crowd here. In XI, so long as we're the appropriate level (meaning the level of the gear itself), you add it to an armor set, and lock it in place. Then glamour it over your current gear. Doesn't matter if it's class specific or not. So long as you don't change your job ingame, the glamour stays on the entire time. And allows you to unlock it and lock it back up (before glamouring over it again). I'm not sure what system they use to make that possible, but would make the transmog game incredible here in XIV. As an example in XI, I use parts of the NIN set from Abyssea (that's class specific) for feet pieces, and the O.Kotes for hands, and then the BLM body piece or other components from other Jobs > lock it into the set > glamour the set over my gear > and bam! Doesn't require any amount of glamour plates or anything. It was a nice change to the game in recent years, but again, not sure how it works behind the scenes to make that possible. Glamour is the true endgame, afterall lol

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Originally Posted by ItMe

You might not wanna hold your breath on storage for a specific thing.

Yoshi P has repeatedly said we will never get this.
Their stance on it is: if we can add more inventory space, instead of making it space dedicated to something specific it's better to give the players general inventory space.
This is how and why we got the Chocobo Saddlebag.
More inventory space you can use however you want.
The devs really seem to struggle with giving us more inventory room (having to redistribute the armory chest slots from belts hints at how limited they are in just giving us more) so while it'd be nice to have a tackle box, and a backpack for your gathered mats, and dedicated storage for your crafted items, and so on... it's not gonna happen.
If they add space they add it in ways that doesn't restrict how players can use that space.

Which is good.
If they added a crafter backpack (or whatever they'd call it), you who wants dye storage and bait storage would be SOL. But if they added more inventory space in general it can go towards addressing all needs.

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Yeah, it's just wishful thinking in the end due to how unlikely these are honestly (though the reason given is kind of new to me). But one can hope! (even if that hope leads to naught)

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

one has to wonder if there is anything about the game you actually like and enjoy.

is there actually anything in your life you enjoy?

apparently -everything- in the game frustrates and appalls you

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She loves collecting the gear but hates that the game prevents her from farming it properly? lol

Imo shes right its one of the things they should have done already, just get over with it, even if its a ton of work, do it properly ONCE and then itll last.... not band aid some space every now and then, hoping the servers wont explode....

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Originally Posted by ItMe

You might not wanna hold your breath on storage for a specific thing.

Yoshi P has repeatedly said we will never get this.
Their stance on it is: if we can add more inventory space, instead of making it space dedicated to something specific it's better to give the players general inventory space.
This is how and why we got the Chocobo Saddlebag.
More inventory space you can use however you want.
The devs really seem to struggle with giving us more inventory room (having to redistribute the armory chest slots from belts hints at how limited they are in just giving us more) so while it'd be nice to have a tackle box, and a backpack for your gathered mats, and dedicated storage for your crafted items, and so on... it's not gonna happen.
If they add space they add it in ways that doesn't restrict how players can use that space.

Which is good.
If they added a crafter backpack (or whatever they'd call it), you who wants dye storage and bait storage would be SOL. But if they added more inventory space in general it can go towards addressing all needs.

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I don't really think it's a competition here. Any specialized inventory would be a benefit in the long run.

I'd prefer a crafter backpack, because there are far more types of crafting materials than the others (and sifting through retainer inventory is a definite pain), but if we got dye storage or bait storage, I'd still be happy. Being able to store even one of those items separately would free a lot of inventory slots for everything else. And having one would be a good precedent toward getting the others, eventually.

I appreciate that it's not going to happen, but it's a lovely fantasy.

I feel like I’m being punished when I buy an outfit on the mogstation and it doesn’t go into the armoire. The one thing preventing me from outright throwing another few hundred dollars to buy more mogstation glams is the lack of space in my glam dresser which has been capped since stormblood. It’s always a pain to decide which items to keep and throw away.

I can't help but agree, OP's aggression side. The one thing I prefer in WoW to FF14 is the transmog collection system. I wouldn't even mind having to use a glamour prism to unlock the appearance in the collection system. I just want to see what I don't have, so I can look at potential outfits, and not be limited in the storage of glamour appearances.

Just a heads up, the general excuse given for things like this is "memory allocation" or "spaghetti coding leftover from 1.0."

I'm fully in agreement with you. The system seriously needs updating. I haven't played WoW since WotLK. When I saw their glamour system in a youtube video it made my chest sink with how sad I was with ours in comparison. I'm usually comparing XIV with other games in how XIV is so much more modern and upto date with a few exceptions (Viera / Hrothgar makes me so sad and disappointed, legitimately), but man was WoW's glamour system nice.

Seriously, the only thing I can think of for why we don't have an unlock system like this and GW2 is just the sheer amount of armor that's in this game compared to those. I think Yoshi stated there's something like over 10,000 pieces? (someone please correct me on that if I'm wrong >.> ). Not to mention the way armor is made in XIV compared to WoW. With WoW, I believe it's just the model's skin stretched out for like robes and stuff. Most of the armor in WoW is very low detail, mostly looking like a curtain with stretched over graphics (no offense, I remember hunting for that stupid scarlet bandana when I first stated playing). XIV's armor is extremely intricate and very high detailed. I think the servers has to load up every piece each time you go into your inn, so it's extremely taxing on their end.

This is all conjecture from stuff I sort of remember from fanfest for Shadowbringers - please take these points with a grain of salt unless you can find the exact quotes.

If they can keep adding achievments, fish, gathering materials and crafting recipes, TTcards, pets and mounts. orchestrion songs... all with a little "you have done this" check mark, then what's so difficult to do the same with a glamour system?

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Originally Posted by RdehlikaJenma

I can't help but agree, OP's aggression side. The one thing I prefer in WoW to FF14 is the transmog collection system. I wouldn't even mind having to use a glamour prism to unlock the appearance in the collection system. I just want to see what I don't have, so I can look at potential outfits, and not be limited in the storage of glamour appearances.

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Not trying to be aggressive but point out a system that makes no sense with god knows how many events and expansions put out since this thing was originally designed. There are events I do not even bother with anymore or Mogstation items I get because of the simple fact I will have to destroy things just to deal with an arbitrary cap.

If Square Enix tries to tell me it is a technical limitation then I will tell them to upgrade their servers then. It is 2021 and there is no reason this cannot be fixed and if there isn't I want more then a one sentence answer on why.

Find me the tech guy at Square Enix and have him explain in detail why this cannot be fixed because it just sounds like a bunch of excuses at this point. There are so many features literally going to waste in this MMO right now. How about all of those Orchestrations we collect that would be nice if I could line up an iPOD list when I am playing the game to just have them playing if I disable the game music sound or something?

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Originally Posted by znushu

i've been asking the very same question for years now.

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Wasn't the reason server data/tech limitations?

On topic, I agree that the system needs a revamp, despite being as new as Stormblood.

The only advantage of the glamour dresser as opposed to an appearance collection right now is that you can store dyed gear. So I always have key pieces in expensive dyes like the pure white, because is much cheaper to go from there to another color.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Yup. What I want the most is crafted/tome/dungeon/raid gear should lose its "role" (Casting, Aiming, Healing, etc) when used as glam so anyone can equip them. There are so many gear I like but my Dancer is stuck with cowboy hats and ugly Aiming trenchcoats that clip with my Chakrams. Glamour is the real endgame, just let us mix and match everything like in Rift (dead game but their wardrobe system was amazing).

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Try looking at glamour that is not job specific, I'm a dancer and there are way more options than just cowboy hats and trench coats

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Originally Posted by Anya_Synia

Try looking at glamour that is not job specific, I'm a dancer and there are way more options than just cowboy hats and trench coats

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I feel personally attacked by this statement /s

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Why in gods name does a cap on the glamour closet even exist?

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Those pesky technical limitations the FFXIV white knights refuse to admit, despite the reason (technical limitations) coming directly from Yoshi-P himself.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Those pesky technical limitations the FFXIV white knights refuse to admit, despite the reason (technical limitations) coming directly from Yoshi-P himself.

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WoW is running off of an engine built in 1998 and they figured it out. Rift...Aion...GW2 are all examples that had far better systems designed for the long term. I despise Blizzard but lets not pretend like this is an excuse that works in 2021. If this MMO is that limited then that is an extremely sad state of affairs we are in if this is the most we can expect from FF14.

Off hand statements like that tell people that FF14 has no ability to evolve or compete with features from the competition is not good enough. The player base accepts it because in multiple other areas Square Enix is extremely competent compared to the competition.

There is a reason I am telling them to trash the entire system and rebuild it from the ground up because it is overly limited and unable to evolve in its current state. We have Ultimate bosses with 50+ mechanics that takes 20+ minutes of perfect coordination but you want to tell me these same developers cannot come up with something better then the glamour system?

wow i think got their glam system by literally outsourcing the entire thing to a team that knew what they were doing. xiv could do the same thing but its built on a shaved down square-enix only engine, meaning the only people who are good at dealing with that were on the xiii or xv teams, who have probably been assigned to xvi and viiremake.

its probably in the cards but is going to take a while.

Yeah the glam system is an absolute nightmare. I swap glams all the time, and half the time I make a look up on the fly or swap around 1-2 pieces, so I barely even use the one good thing that's come of it (glamour plates) because it's so freaking inconvenient. My glams are spread across two retainers and the glam dresser, and I'm constantly having to weigh pieces against each other to toss out the ones that I like but not as much as everything else just to make space for the new pieces I get. Even more fun is, when I try to throw together a new look, I end up having to run back and forth between my retainers and the glam dresser to actually even access everything I DO have. It's a huge hassle, requires a bunch of unnecessary menu hopping, and often has me wasting what probably adds up to hours at this point just staring at my inventory and asking myself "which piece do I care about more? which is more annoying to go and get again? if I throw this out am I gonna forget it exists and never see it again?"

It's just a clunky, inefficient, and utterly non-user friendly system.

I'm not sure this was already stated in here or not, but can we also add on getting rid of the whole class specific glamour system. Make glamour's interclasstual. I wanna glam my bard up in Dotharl cloth, but cant since it seems to be caster only.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

There is a reason I am telling them to trash the entire system and rebuild it from the ground up because it is overly limited and unable to evolve in its current state. We have Ultimate bosses with 50+ mechanics that takes 20+ minutes of perfect coordination but you want to tell me these same developers cannot come up with something better then the glamour system?

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They can't build it from the ground up. Yoshi-P said so.

It's barely functioning as it is, a house of cards so to speak. A result of the terrible coding and a bad game engine. It doesn't just check if you have the gear in the glamour dresser, 1 for yes 0 for no. Every single piece that's in there has to be loaded separately. They had to do it that way so they could even put it in the game.

Again, this isn't me saying it. It's Yoshi-P.

What you're suggesting hasn't been done because it CAN'T be done with the current game architecture.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

There are so many gear I like but my Dancer is stuck with cowboy hats and ugly Aiming trenchcoats that clip with my Chakrams.

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Originally Posted by Anya_Synia

Try looking at glamour that is not job specific, I'm a dancer and there are way more options than just cowboy hats and trench coats

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Even before you get to the non-job-specific stuff, there are quite a few pieces of aiming gear that suits dancer. I feel like anyone who says it's "all trenchcoats" can't be looking beyond the recent tome and raid sets at Eulmore.

Between the marketboard, dungeons, old tome gear and niche content shops like PVP and the Gold Saucer, there's a lot of stuff out there that can be used for nice dancer glamours.

If only I had enough glamour plates to actually make a DNC glam...

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Originally Posted by Anirah

I'm not sure this was already stated in here or not, but can we also add on getting rid of the whole class specific glamour system. Make glamour's interclasstual. I wanna glam my bard up in Dotharl cloth, but cant since it seems to be caster only.

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Never going to happen, YoshiP was rather clear about it.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

What you're suggesting hasn't been done because it CAN'T be done with the current game architecture.

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I just literally refuse to believe this. There is no way the devs can look at this current system and assume it is sustainable for at most another 1-2 expansions without just breaking. It is already a broken system when you have to trash gear to make space during a new event or something from the Mogstation.

I really am trying not to be cynical here but I have played A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT of free to play games where extra space was sold in the store. I swear to god this entire system looks based around a free to play model that ended up getting scrapped.

When FF14 went F2P way back when it was around the same time multiple other MMO's that were dwindling were rolling out F2P features to pay for continued production. I want to say Rift started doing something similar where they sold extra bag space as F2P items in the cash shop.

I mean they are literally about to add 2 more jobs which is going to increase the amount of gear in the game especially if the new class has a special weapon type like a Reaper. To say we are running low on space is an understatement in an MMO very focused on you not really needing alts.

Agree with this. The transmog system in WoW is really good. You can see and preview all gears available in the game as well as see which you have collected and those that you have not. It even shows you now where you can farm gears you have not yet collected :)

Having to still physically own the gears for our glamours only makes it limiting and tedious for managing inventory. The WoW system of really just registering the gears once we get it is nice and convenient

I would be happy if they just allowed us to store all the Dyable AF 50/60/70/80 sets and relic weapons in the Armoury Chest. That change alone would free up a massive chunk of my inventory alone.

There's a lot of things that need to be done with glamour system, some of it the gear itself, some of it the back end data storage. Shadowbringers is really showing the long term problems in this game and SE really ought to do something about it in the break between 6.0 and 6.1
Granted SE's corner cutting and intentional obfuscation of actual problems and data misuse, its no wonder they'd prefer to waste time on slow mo for gpose only to realise at the last moment it might lead to some nsfw positioning apparently

Plus its not all engine limitations, some of it is unwillingness on yoshi-ps part like with the single flag that separates physical/magical damage being visible to the player despite things like dark mind
SE higher ups running the game on a shoe string doesn't help either.

Things they need to do:
-Revamp flags on gear and add 2 flags. Obtained yes/no and dyable obtained yes/no. If glam dresser is neccessary, use a glamour prism to convert the item to a glamour that goes in the dresser.
-Adjust the glamour and retainer interface so its not loading every piece at once. (this is the source of the lag)
-Consolidate all normal dyes into a single dye. The colours the engine can use are more than what the devs give us in pots. Obv metallics can be excluded from this
-Make the dyable sections available to the player. This is where we get palatte swaps and dyable versions from, different sections that are dyed or more ornate have different fixed channels for colour. Every game that has palatte swaps does this under the hood.
-Add a button that lets players toggle off the machinist lunchbox and ast's card sleeves, or make the offhand slot items visible to the player and have a mch/astro item that functions like the heroic shield
-Make anything that goes into the dresser level 1 and all class.
-Change the flags for Viera/Hrothgar and miqote ears so that the hats are set to ON by default. Au ra players have tolerated their horns going through almost every helmet and it became a choice of personal preference. The same can be done for this lot
-Start designing gear so it actually has adjustments made for these various races eg ears and horns as above, capes designed not to clip tails, tattoos not going over scales on au ra. There's even a levequest for armourers in the crystarium that calls this out.
-Start making new textures with longevity in mind, making high def and downscaling like the rest of the industry. No need to redraw textures every few years.
-Put some effort into avoiding clipping instead of ignoring it when designing gear, same with hair.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

It is already a broken system when you have to trash gear to make space during a new event or something from the Mogstation.

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You know that items from in-game events can be stored in the armoire from the time you get them, right? There's only been a couple pieces they forgot to do but that got fixed rather quickly.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

When FF14 went F2P way back when it was around the same time multiple other MMO's that were dwindling were rolling out F2P features to pay for continued production.

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I only remember FFXIV going F2P during 1.0, and it happened twice, the first because the game was so bad, and the second time because they were ending 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

To say we are running low on space is an understatement in an MMO very focused on you not really needing alts.

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They do know about the space issue. That's partly why belt space is being reallocated to weapons and rings, which is the biggest offenders regarding armoury space.

Now to actually address the topic.

I agree that we need a better glamour system. We do need something like a glamour closet or catalog or whatever you want to call it. We need more glamour plates. Dyes are ridiculous.

You're right that this was built like it was made during ARR, which is sad because it was released during SB.

There major issues they have present that would need to be addressed, and I'd like to note I'm NOT defending their excuses nor can I explain from a technical standpoint, I'm just stating facts here and maybe offering solutions.

From what I understand, one issue is something to the effect of how the game checks everything stored on your character CONSTANTLY to keep everything in sync between the server and your client. This includes what's in your inventory, your armoury, your armoire, orchestrations, minions, mounts, and all that good stuff. That's a lot of stuff it needs to check every so often. And the resistance to adding a closet system for glamours probably has a lot to do with this. It'd have to go through every armor in the game to determine if you've had it or not.

Personally, I think they could revamp the glamour dresser to basically be the call button for that lookup. I think we all expect a little delay when we go to do certain things. Like retainers sometimes take a bit to come out, I assume using the bell is when it calls that retainer out. The armoire should also be the call button for the lookup for it too. There's some things that the game just doesn't really need to look to see if it's attached to your character at all times. Yes, some people might be bothered that they still have to go to their inn to access the glamour dresser, but I think a lot of us would even accept this minor inconvenience. I know in WoW, you can do it anywhere, but WoW isn't tied to antiquated systems that really should've been revamped during the development of ARR, so please work with me.

That said, if gear were automatically added to the closet at pickup, that's another reason that they'd have to rely on having a constant lookup for. We're trying to avoid that, so I propose glamour prisms now be used to create an item that copies the basic gear (don't retain the dye on the copy, else that's even more to track, we'll deal with dye later.). This item can then be added to the glamour dresser when you visit to add the look.

I know a lot of people here have said "Make one dye item" or "Make one dye for each color set." I'm kindly going to disagree as, despite how cheap the dye actually is from the vendor, it does help take gil out of the economy. But since we're revamping the dresser anyways, why not add a dye bank to it? Store as many dyes as you want in there (or maybe up to a cap?)! When you go to dye a piece of gear, it looks into your dye bank.

Like I said, I'm not versed in the goings-on of how to program or how spaghetti their code is. All I can do is say things that make sense to me and hope it makes sense to others.

Well, 1- Almost all the players want it to change but if you look from the dev perspective, its a tremendous work to redo all the system so they'll prob take their time on this one.
2- This system used to be a lot worse
3- Dev team already know that this is not optimal, i mean WoW took almost 10 year to fix their system
4- They already doubled the glam chest to mitigate the problem


I believe they really do want a system like GW2 or WoW but to do that they'll need a system that marks an item as collected, as far as i know thats not a thing, all the game does actually is preventing 2 of the same unique items on your inventory and relics/events to be stored into calamity savager.
With my limited knowlegde in servers and algorithms optimization, thats very hard to do with low cost without forcing us to recollect the equipments we aready have, specially for limited items that we got from events. So lots of work force/time + money

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Originally Posted by NeoDivinity

Well, 1- Almost all the players want it to change but if you look from the dev perspective, its a tremendous work to redo all the system so they'll prob take their time on this one.
2- This system used to be a lot worse
3- Dev team already know that this is not optimal, i mean WoW took almost 10 year to fix their system
4- They already doubled the glam chest to mitigate the problem


I believe they really do want a system like GW2 or WoW but to do that they'll need a system that marks an item as collected, as far as i know thats not a thing, all the game does actually is preventing 2 of the same unique items on your inventory and relics/events to be stored into calamity savager.
With my limited knowlegde in servers and algorithms optimization, thats very hard to do with low cost without forcing us to recollect the equipments we aready have, specially for limited items that we got from events. So lots of work force/time + money

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IMO the devs and their perspective could use some work: they are making a game that is supposed to last over a decade with increasing content. If they had any sort of common sense, they'd know that not fixing spaghetti code is going to cost them in the long run. So if they truly want to save face, they'd better rip off this bandage in 1 swift movement and actually get working on it, regardless of the downtime it will cause (people will complain regardless because that is just how people are sadly). But we know it isnt going to happen because people will throw money at the game no matter how crappy some things are becoming.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

You know that items from in-game events can be stored in the armoire from the time you get them, right? There's only been a couple pieces they forgot to do but that got fixed rather quickly.

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They either go

1) Armoire
2) Calamity Salvager
3) Recompense Officer

There is something to be said about having 2 NPCs and an item for all this stuff but that is a different topic.

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Originally Posted by NeoDivinity

Well, 1- Almost all the players want it to change but if you look from the dev perspective, its a tremendous work to redo all the system so they'll prob take their time on this one.
4- They already doubled the glam chest to mitigate the problem

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The problem is they're adding 100 glamour slots when they're releasing 500+ gear items each expansion. The scale has gotten so massively skewed it's not fixable without completely redoing the whole system, something SE is not going to do.

The Calamity Salvager is interesting, because there definitely seems to be some kind of toggle that determines what you can purchase from them. I can get the Garo gear, for example, because I did those quests. Other people can't. At the same time, there are many things I can't access either because I haven't completed the quests. I don't know what the system uses, but it seems to function well enough.

I find myself wondering if they can't do something with that.

Though really, at this point, I think I'd be happy enough if they could give us something like the free company chest. I'm sure there's some technical reason why that wouldn't be a good idea, but I feel like it'd help.

Anyway, I don't really think it matters at this time, whether or not something is impossible. FFXIV runs on a spider-web of wishes and dreams at this point, and any one thing can make it crumble. That said, they've pulled off things previously considered impossible before. So, I think if they choose to make glamour a priority, they probably can create SOMETHING better than what we have now. It's just a matter of if and when they choose to make it a priority. (And I suppose, whether they should make it a priority. I'd like them to, personally, but I'm one player and others likely have higher priorities.)

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Originally Posted by NeoDivinity

thats very hard to do with low cost without forcing us to recollect the equipments we aready have, specially for limited items that we got from events. So lots of work force/time + money

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Yeah this also what I think one of the major issues is, lack of tracker at the moment.
They do have tracker for other things like mounts and minions, logs and records, etc. Perhaps they can apply/modify that to equipments also in the (hopefully) near future.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

They do know about the space issue. That's partly why belt space is being reallocated to weapons and rings, which is the biggest offenders regarding armoury space.

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I'm still puzzled by why we require two rings, rather than just 1 ring that shows up on both hands (and just has double the stats as if wearing two with two materia slots--one for each original hand). That would make more sense to me. lol.

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

IMO the devs and their perspective could use some work: they are making a game that is supposed to last over a decade with increasing content. If they had any sort of common sense, they'd know that not fixing spaghetti code is going to cost them in the long run. .

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I agree, but i will not for a moment presume that i know how their day to day work is, maybe they're already working on something, maybe not.
Adding these slots for now is a clear way to mitigate the problem and wont fix it, but would be naive to think that they would stop doing their work to put the glamour dresser as a priority thing to fix, even now with a exp knocking the door.

FFXIV community tends to often ask for too much without looking at the big picture, of course the glam dresser limited space sucks but try to see things on the developer's side sometimes. Its clear that the system is not abandoned and that they are looking into it so topics like these where the dude is just ranting around definitly do not help nor opens a
good dicussion.

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Originally Posted by Fland

Yeah this also what I think one of the major issues is, lack of tracker at the moment.
They do have tracker for other things like mounts and minions, logs and records, etc. Perhaps they can apply/modify that to equipments also in the (hopefully) near future.

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Yeah i also believe that once they have added enough space on the dresser they could use it as easier way to track collected gear, or maybe they already working or fixed the problem, the code must be a mess. Let's wait till Fan Fest's live letter

They need to remove glamour/gear from inventory completely, and dump dyes. There's a single catalogue of all available with the tryon option, and it shows you what you have acquired, or not. From that, you can set the main gear (same recommended as usual), and once that is chosen you can glamour it with the other items available. After than you can dye it whatever colour you feel like. It will take the inventory load off, no need for glamour dresser and dyes. Something so simple really does not need to be so convaluted.

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Originally Posted by NeoDivinity

Yeah i also believe that once they have added enough space on the dresser they could use it as easier way to track collected gear, or maybe they already working or fixed the problem, the code must be a mess. Let's wait till Fan Fest's live letter

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Yea I'd rather they keep the current system until they find a way to make a log that includes all equipments that we've already acquired as far as old events in ARR.
If they make a new glam log and we have to acquire the equipments again, then no thanks. I don't want to have to farm old dungeons/raids again for several pieces of equipment that I used as glam a lot.

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Originally Posted by Fland

Yea I'd rather they keep the current system until they find a way to make a log that includes all equipments that we've already acquired as far as old events in ARR.
If they make a new glam log and we have to acquire the equipments again, then no thanks. I don't want to have to farm old dungeons/raids again for several pieces of equipment that I used as glam a lot.

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I completely get where you're coming from, but I have to admit, that actually sounds like fun to me.

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Originally Posted by Fland

Yea I'd rather they keep the current system until they find a way to make a log that includes all equipments that we've already acquired as far as old events in ARR.
If they make a new glam log and we have to acquire the equipments again, then no thanks. I don't want to have to farm old dungeons/raids again for several pieces of equipment that I used as glam a lot.

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So we currently have an AH that basically has most of the gear in the game with a preview feature. Why not just a log window that list everything with an expansion dropdown menu and job drop down that list the gear. If I right click you can get a preview.

They could also do this for updating the mount window. I do not need a copy and paste of the WoW but there needs to be some upgrade to this extremely outdated system. If the gear is listed as acquired in that log window then I can glamour it from there instead of having to add it to an a moire that is very limited and just very messy to use.

It could just simply say "x item appearance has been added to your glamour log"

Same thing with mounts.

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Originally Posted by squidmonarchy

The Calamity Salvager is interesting, because there definitely seems to be some kind of toggle that determines what you can purchase from them. I can get the Garo gear, for example, because I did those quests. Other people can't. At the same time, there are many things I can't access either because I haven't completed the quests. I don't know what the system uses, but it seems to function well enough.

I find myself wondering if they can't do something with that.

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That is the Achievements doing multi-duty. The Salvager and various Relic weapon Replica stores are checking for completion of various achievements (and certain quests).

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

...If the gear is listed as acquired in that log window...

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This is the issue.
I'm sure they can make some user friendly glamour log menu if they want and making it work like WoW, but judging by how the dresser work it most likely they don't have necessary system yet to track all of the equipment that we have acquired.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

I just literally refuse to believe this. There is no way the devs can look at this current system and assume it is sustainable for at most another 1-2 expansions without just breaking. It is already a broken system when you have to trash gear to make space during a new event or something from the Mogstation.

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It's irrelevant whether you believe it or if the devs think its sustainable. Short term bad decisions in the very beginning of ARR have left them with an insanely shaky codebase that's nigh impossible to change without having to lose entire patch cycles worth of dev time to accomplish it.

Speaking as an actual coder, if your project becomes gigantically massive like FF14's is, there's so many code links, dependencies and hooks all over the base that changing a single variable can cause a Jenga effect in a matter of seconds and cause your whole program to break and/or crash in seconds. If I had to estimate, it'd probably take them 2-3 dev cycles of pure dedicated time to entirely re-write their foundation at this point; and you really believe that the shareholders and CEO at Square are just going to say 'hey, no worries. just delay your entire work flow 6-10 months intentionally to fix something that probably won't lead to a substantial increase in our profits, whereas we'd likely lose tons of subscription profits and stock from the announcement of "hey guys, don't expect any new content for the next half a year!"'

Yeah, that'd fly over well at the Company meeting, because having to delay their schedule didn't result in a single issue or complaint when it happened unintentionally thanks to COVID. /s

Yoshi-P has explained countless times why adopting a system like WoW's isn't feasible on a technical front, and this is coming from the man who's said multiple times what a big fan of Blizzard and WoW he is. I have no doubts that when the glamour dresser was being pitched, Yoshi-P would have been vocating for something similar to transmog, and I have no doubts his technical leads were telling him it was impossible without a giant dev time sink that they can't afford, metaphorically. I've worked on AAA games in the industry before, and I've run into situations where decisions early on have shafted us insanely later on and made certain targets and features nigh impossible to create as envisioned without having to spend months re-writing giant swathes of code to accomplish, resulting in hacky solutions to please the publisher.

It's the simple reality of things.