Delubrum reward drop rates

Yet another place where they should really just do tokens alongside a random drop chance. I mean, they already do drop tokens so just let me actually spend the tokens on what I actually want instead of forcing me to just run something until I get stupid lucky and get what I actually want.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

*If* they can get to DR


Right now, Castrum is turning into a wall that is nearly impassable. Most Castrum attempts rarely get enough players to run it and know how to run it.

I really wish the devs would judge casual content difficulty by how easy it is to do with their spouse or significant other. If they don’t like doing it with them, then you have a design problem.

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Not really a lot of reason to even be in bozja, the instance right now. All the farms for relic - or hair - are outside of the instance. I haven't set foot in there since the patch. No real reason to go in there, and it's SE's doing. On top of the future Castrum update, so more people may even be waiting on that. Last real chance for a while was probably before patch, to clear Castrum.

Just wanna say I'm about to hit the 50 run achievement and I still haven't seen any reward drop. Would be nice if there was some kind of 'bad luck' buffer because this is just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Amadare

Just wanna say I'm about to hit the 50 run achievement and I still haven't seen any reward drop. Would be nice if there was some kind of 'bad luck' buffer because this is just ridiculous.

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Whatever the drop rate currently is, should be increased by 5%...maybe then it will be a decent rate. I feel it's a 1% rate currently.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Whatever the drop rate currently is, should be increased by 5%...maybe then it will be a decent rate. I feel it's a 1% rate currently.

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I guess I can't complain too much with how things are now. Hard to get frustrated with a 1% drop rate after spending 7 years hunting Invincible in WoW. That said, I wouldn't mind an increase myself.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I guess I can't complain too much with how things are now. Hard to get frustrated with a 1% drop rate after spending 7 years hunting Invincible in WoW. That said, I wouldn't mind an increase myself.

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I remember spending YEARS hunting for cards in Ragnarok Online...almost all of them at 0.01% chance to drop(or at least were at the time)

I did 70 runs
Only 1 hair, 0 mounts, 3 songs
This is just ridiculous, the drop rates are just toooooo low based on the average clear time

The price people are willing to pay for hairstyles scares me. Then again, none of the obtainable hairstyles are anything I’d want.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

The price people are willing to pay for hairstyles scares me. Then again, none of the obtainable hairstyles are anything I’d want.

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In this case specifically, the prices are high bcz of how low the drop rate is rn. 19-20KK on a 2%- item that can drop only on 2 final chests of an 30-40 min duty is a fair price tbh.

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Originally Posted by Arkzeraaaa

I did 70 runs
Only 1 hair, 0 mounts, 3 songs
This is just ridiculous, the drop rates are just toooooo low based on the average clear time

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aww Thats so bad :( I have done around 39 and still nothing. I will carry on with other things and also just go as and when i am able.

Gl everyone ^O^

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm envious. I wish I could get excited about the hairstyles that have been added to the game lately but...they're just not to my tastes at all.

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At least you could use it if you wanted to. :(

It was reading this thread that I learned there's even a mount that drops.
The rates are beyond abyssmal, they're inexcusable.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Seems like people are forgetting Gyr Abanian Plait. (HoH in which you had to run Silver shack floors and pray for the chest to give you the action needed to reveal accursed horde shacks and then pray that you could get the hair to drop from these RNG shacks. Yes, I've opened countless Silver Shacks over the years, and I've never seen Gyr Abanian Plait drop)

They treat hair as an incentive to run content, as a reward, and they have never been against locking it behind grindy RNG. The reason this hair is likely 20mil on the MB right now is because most people are so far behind in Bozja that they can't even do DR and have to catch up now that the devs have made it clear they're not going to give you the shiny for just doing brain-dead non Bozja content.

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HoH was better designed as alternative leveling than bozja. All you had to do was clear PotD up to what, floor 50? 100?
Then once you're in, just kill enough mobs to open the gate to the next floor. No large open areas to explore, no FATEs to farm, just "kill, move on, kill, move on" til you cleared 10 floors and beat the boss.

Yeah I'm on run 36 and got the Gabriel Mount, but I want the hair. I am having a hard time not getting salty. But I do not find running DR endlessly wondering if today will be the day very unenjoyable.

Even the massive grind for the relic was okay you know, because the end was in sight, every time you did there was a result you could work towards. But this? This is just hoping... and losing a little bit of it every time nothing comes up.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yeah I'm on run 36 and got the Gabriel Mount, but I want the hair. I am having a hard time not getting salty. But I do not find running DR endlessly wondering if today will be the day very unenjoyable.

Even the massive grind for the relic was okay you know, because the end was in sight, every time you did there was a result you could work towards. But this? This is just hoping... and losing a little bit of it every time nothing comes up.

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Yeah. While I got burned out on the relic grind on step two, there is always an end in sight. You could theoretically do this forever, and NEVER get a drop. I didn't even know there was barding, until I read this thread!

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

HoH was better designed as alternative leveling than bozja..

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No, it's not.

HoH and PoTD makes you want to blow your brains out, things die too fast for you to learn your rotation, there's nothing "fun" about it and the boss fights are brain-dead.

It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs and not explore a zone with lore and such.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

No, it's not.

HoH and PoTD makes you want to blow your brains out, things die too fast for you to learn your rotation, there's nothing "fun" about it and the boss fights are brain-dead.

It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs and not explore a zone with lore and such.

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Outside of CEs and a couple select Fate bosses, leveling through Bozja is just as mindless, as most Fate grinds tend to be. I enjoy Bozja more than POTD and HoH though in almost every aspect, including leveling.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

No, it's not.

HoH and PoTD makes you want to blow your brains out, things die too fast for you to learn your rotation, there's nothing "fun" about it and the boss fights are brain-dead.

It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs and not explore a zone with lore and such.

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That's your opinion, and that's fine.
But I don't find myself, quote, wanting to blow my brains out, when i do PotD/HoH.

If I wanted to learn my rotation, I would do to a striking dummy. Much better as far as developing muscle memory goes.
Also you contradict yourself a bit there? "It's not a better method to level because things die too fast." ???? So taking less time in PotD/HoH to level makes it worse than Bozja?

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Also you contradict yourself a bit there? "It's not a better method to level because things die too fast." ???? So taking less time in PotD/HoH to level makes it worse than Bozja?

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The fastest way to get enough tomestones back in the day for the HW relic was to do Aetherochemical facility nearly 100x.

Just because something is more efficient or takes less time doesn't mean its more enjoyable. I'd agree with their opinion in saying Bozja is infinitely more enjoyable than PoTD/HoH due to how boring they are compared to Bozja.

I just started the bozjan and relic questline, because I really wanted the hairstyle since the hairstyle-competition.
How the heck can I stay motivated when I read all of this? Lots of grind is awaiting me to reach a wall (Castrum).
After that hours of hours of another dungeon grind for a little chance (can be optained on the first try, can never be optained by rng).

SE are you kidding me?!

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Originally Posted by Varilyon

SE are you kidding me?!

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Sadly they are not. Gotta pad those sub numbers somehow.

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Originally Posted by Varilyon

I just started the bozjan and relic questline, because I really wanted the hairstyle since the hairstyle-competition.
How the heck can I stay motivated when I read all of this? Lots of grind is awaiting me to reach a wall (Castrum).
After that hours of hours of another dungeon grind for a little chance (can be optained on the first try, can never be optained by rng).

SE are you kidding me?!

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To be fair, reaching Rank 10 for Castrum is not that grindy. I did it in a single day with my first character, and two days with my second. It even was fun. That is for unlocking the new raid to farm for the hairstyle, at least. Doing the relic quests will be grindy, as with any other relic.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Outside of CEs and a couple select Fate bosses, leveling through Bozja is just as mindless, as most Fate grinds tend to be. I enjoy Bozja more than POTD and HoH though in almost every aspect, including leveling.

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Nah, you get to actually learn your rotation, logos allow for some sweet horizontal progression and there are tons of things to do or work towards if you want to use your brain and time to it's fullest.

If all you want to do is mindlessly run from fate to fate with drool dripping from your mouth as you ignore logos, the tons of people in chat and everything around you so that you can spam an AOE and get credit that is an OPTION and a choice, but it doesn't mean that the content is mindless or that the leveling process has to be mindless.

I got everything to 80 through Bozja and never felt bored. But then again, I'm the type of person who will look for people to rez in a CE to work towards the Guardian Angel title, fill out the lore book or try using logos on different things and find out that wow, you can reflect tons of things in fates and CE and even the 2nd boss in CLL.

It doesn't force you to use the tools to their fullest in the reg zone, but it's a far faaar cry from the likes of PoTD or HoH where everyone runs the same 10 levels until they cry tears of blood.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

That's your opinion, and that's fine.
But I don't find myself, quote, wanting to blow my brains out, when i do PotD/HoH.

If I wanted to learn my rotation, I would do to a striking dummy. Much better as far as developing muscle memory goes.

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"It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs"

Like I said, if you're ok with turning off your brain then "Kill paper mobs, go to portal, repeat" is going to be better if that's all you want to do.

Also, Bozja gives you your level 80 rotation and HAS striking dummies in there for you to practice on in the base as you're in the zone. So if you want to actually make use of your leveling time to get to know your rotation you can just go in there and in your downtime fight the striking dummy with your full list of lvl80 skills.

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Also you contradict yourself a bit there? "It's not a better method to level because things die too fast." ???? So taking less time in PotD/HoH to level makes it worse than Bozja?

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I don't think you understand.
"Things die too fast" means that you can't use your proper rotation because they're just fodder.

The AMOUNT of EXP you get from fates and CEs is insanely good for the amount of time invested because it was designed to be the PoTD/ HoH of ShB. Given that it's a fate system instead of floors you can find yourself getting levels far faster than you would in HoH if you "use your brain" and employ fate credit tricks to optimize your time (Like fates that require you to collect items and hand them in. Collect 6 and it will give you gold credit ... so just turn in 6 and run to another fate as everyone does their turn ins. But of course this is RNG as you can't know when every fate will pop and people can bet it before you get there. Over all Bozja has the same level growth rate as HoH on arvg)

It's all personal taste. I find lore, new content and getting to actually practice my rotation as I level a job to be a much more pleasing and engaging time than the likes of HoH and PoTD which only become engaging at the hard levels or in solo runs.

I have been 3 times and got the barding my first two runs. May have been lucky who knows.

4 runs here, 2 hairstyle drops --> 50 mil.
Your mileage may vary :)

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I have been 3 times and got the barding my first two runs. May have been lucky who knows.

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Definitely lucky.

In my 26 runs I have gotten The Sochen Cave Palace orchestrion roll(once), 2x Gunner miniature, 2x Warrior miniature, and field notes/silver coins. That's it, that's all. I'm sure I will get everything else I'm missing in the remaining runs for all the relics...but the drop rates definitely feel way too low. Almost like they are less than 1% chance, at least for me.

Im still waiting for that hotfix for castrum. Still no news, right?!...??

well well well, finally done the 50 run achievement : only got the hair once....

Several things strike me as odd in regard to Delubrum drops, personally. I am running it twice a day, with little hope of getting the hair (the only thing from there I am interested in), and so far I have seen nothing (in fact I found out by reading this thread that there is also a barding, a gabriel mount and some music rolls, aside from the figurines of the queen warriors). But I don't expect them to change their drop rates... So far, i have never seen them doing that, correct me if I am wrong. I do find weird that they are taking so long for a hotfix for Castrum, which i think is urgent. I also find weird that we cannot preview tradable hairstyles (and mog station items) like we can preview tradable gear... Even f2p games allow you to do that. If I got tired of running Delubrum and still no hair, which is very likely, there is no way that I would want to spend 12, 15 or 20 million gil on something that might not even fit my character. I don't know. I am not enjoying these kind of decisions and omissions, that seem to have multiplied with the implementation of Bozja. a
And let's not talk about magicked prism... I flooded the Doman donation box with literally hundreds of them... That's all I ever get, interspersed with some useless materia. But at the end of the day, we are just expressing our personal opinions and that's about it. Even if many of us suggested that the hair got linked to a certain number of runs achievement, I
don't think they would listen, not in this case.

I ran Delebrum for the first time last night and, on top of feeling like it went on several bosses longer than it needed to, the rewards are demotivating.

Because rewards are individual you don't even see things drop. It's just "you got a coin!" "You got another coin!" "You got three coins!"

And what are the coins for? Trading for bigger coins to trade for gear that needs a whole lot of re-running content to finally, eventually be able to run that same content just a little more efficiently. And possibly for dyeable glamour, but there are extents I'm not even willing to go for that.

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The whole business with RNG is frustrating because it makes some people a lot richer and some a lot poorer based on luck.

Compare a style that takes effort to earn but is guaranteed, like the Wind Caller style. One person chooses to put in that fixed amount of effort to earn the coins, and either buy it for themself or someone pays them for that work. It's still an annoying hoop to be put through, but since it exists, it's fair. The person who put in the work is the one who gets paid for it.

RNG, on the other hand, means one person can obtain the style on their first run, while another tries many, many times and comes away with nothing - and because the odds don't shorten after each attempt, they're no closer to acquiring it than when they started. They get nothing for their hard work, while the other lucky person gets a phenomenal amount of gil for minimal effort.

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Originally Posted by Oichi

I also find weird that we cannot preview tradable hairstyles (and mog station items) like we can preview tradable gear... Even f2p games allow you to do that. If I got tired of running Delubrum and still no hair, which is very likely, there is no way that I would want to spend 12, 15 or 20 million gil on something that might not even fit my character.

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This is an issue as well. I am interested in trying the hair on my various characters but there's a relatively low chance that it will look good on them, and it's not a chance I'm willing to pay 12 million gil just for curiosity. I don't think any of my alts even have that much money.

Likewise for other styles that can't be traded but need a considerable amount of time and gameplay investment, like the PVP styles. I'm not doing that many matches just to test something out and probably abandon it, but if I could try it on first then it would convince me to put in that effort.

And there's an annoying tendency in recent patches towards putting gear in coffers so it can't be tried on, like the Hraesvelgr set and the dyeable Lv80 relic gear.

I just got 2 hairs on a row, the drop rates on delubrum are reaaaaaaaaaaaaally awful atm omfg

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Originally Posted by Arkzeraaaa

I just got 2 hairs on a row, the drop rates on delubrum are reaaaaaaaaaaaaally awful atm omfg

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Oh, then you gonna sell it for 5 mill? :)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

This is an issue as well. I am interested in trying the hair on my various characters but there's a relatively low chance that it will look good on them, and it's not a chance I'm willing to pay 12 million gil just for curiosity.

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Tell me about it. I ended up buying the new hairstyle on the market and it turns out it looks really bad on my character. In the end I've wasted a lot of time and money orz
A feature that lets us preview hairstyles we don't own yet would have been a lifesaver... ;__;
Please SE!

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Tell me about it. I ended up buying the new hairstyle on the market and it turns out it looks really bad on my character. In the end I've wasted a lot of time and money orz
A feature that lets us preview hairstyles we don't own yet would have been a lifesaver... ;__;
Please SE!

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Honestly, if it's 15m now imagine what it'll be like in a year when no. one. is running it. You invested in the glamour stonk market. You're going to have an option for a future outfit most people could only dream about.

It might look bad on your character now, but who knows what fashion has in store for the future.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Tell me about it. I ended up buying the new hairstyle on the market and it turns out it looks really bad on my character. In the end I've wasted a lot of time and money orz
A feature that lets us preview hairstyles we don't own yet would have been a lifesaver... ;__;
Please SE!

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I always assumed it was made for, and would look best on miqo'te (female) rather than other races. I still want it, but I'm more invested in the mount (to collect), I want the hair just to have, and then to sell mostly.

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Originally Posted by Oichi

Oh, then you gonna sell it for 5 mill? :)

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selled for 10 each

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I always assumed it was made for, and would look best on miqo'te (female) rather than other races. I still want it, but I'm more invested in the mount (to collect), I want the hair just to have, and then to sell mostly.

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It took me 32 runs to finally get that....Only over 200 more to go(for the relics)...maybe I'll see the hair.

Only ran it 15 times but in that I got 1 chess piece and 1 music scroll. Yet when I look them up the chess piece is selling for 100g and the scroll about 15k.
I thought they seemed pretty rare lol
Haven’t seen anything other than that tho.
Every other chest I’ve opened in those 15 runs was silver coins and a few notes.

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Originally Posted by Oichi

Oh, then you gonna sell it for 5 mill? :)

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Leanred my first one before I realized what they sold for then sold the second one for 14 million. Siren lacks them it seems.

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Originally Posted by Arkzeraaaa

selled for 10 each

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That's not bad. Cheaper than most.