Stuff like THIS is the reason Housing is a Joke -- SE please do something about this!

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Originally Posted by Porknado

As someone earlier in this thread said, "Just use an apartment." you can do the same things there. Well my Server, and I assume many other don't have them.

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This isnt true. Ive heard rumors about Balmung being low on apartments, so thinking maybe this was a Crystal specific problem i traveled over. Picked a random ward in Lavender Beds(19 if that matters), and less then half the apartments were taken. If the first ward i randomly picked in a popular district was less then half full, i see no need to randomly pick others to check. There just ARE apartments still, and apartments work just fine for chocobo dying.

This isnt me saying the system shouldnt be improved, this isnt me saying apartments are just as good. This is just me saying that the statement above is false, that server isnt out of apartments.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

I'm in a housing Discord and this was posted.

Someone asked how it happened, and those were the answers. Later responses were they did it by buying out FCs with alternate characters.

Now either that person is doing it to be special and have a whole ward, or they're going to upcharge relo's to people later.

... This is why we can't find houses, or have a chance. Sure, there's already a limited supply. But this is ridiculous. And the fact they get away with it is even more messed up.
Like.. I saw this and I'm just .... Ugh. This is another reason I tend to dislike billionaires in this game.

https://i.imgur.com/UOqvyZS.png

NOTE: This is on Diablos, on Crystal. Even if it's not a busy server, it's one of the busiest DCs. So even worse.

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Oh and it gets worse than that.
Everyone one those FCs is a submarine Gil farming opportunity.
And the richer people are the more stuff costs, and supply doesn't increase for all items equally. ("Just buy raiding gear then" go F yourself)

You need to start fixing this shit Yoshi.
Yes I know that means change. Yes I know some people always hate all change. F those people.

And the longer you leave it, the more you are going to have to change at once, and the worse it will be. You've already left it TOO long, but it's just going to keep getting worse.

housing for fc only including a member minimum you need according to the house size. that would solve it. but i guess people wouldnt like it.

rent... so people have to put thought into it if its really worth to get a house. especially the ones standing around empty anyway because the owner is too lazy... also gil sink.
but i guess people wouldnt like it.

there are limited houses around and i think its pretty obvious thats not gonna change. but if something is limited its gonna need something forcing down the demand. if people like it or not


and of course only one house per account. dont know why thats not a thing

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Originally Posted by Asari5

housing for fc only including a member minimum you need according to the house size. that would solve it. but i guess people wouldnt like it.

rent... so people have to put thought into it if its really worth to get a house. especially the ones standing around empty anyway because the owner is too lazy... also gil sink.
but i guess people wouldnt like it.

there are limited houses around and i think its pretty obvious thats not gonna change. but if something is limited its gonna need something forcing down the demand. if people like it or not


and of course only one house per account. dont know why thats not a thing

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rent... so people have to put thought into it if its really worth to get a house. especially the ones standing around empty anyway because the owner is too lazy... also gil sink.
but i guess people wouldnt like it.

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Are we imitating real life then ? Because if that's the case, then multiowning should continue to be allowed since its a thing in real life. Also rent would only punish the casuals that dont play much, not multiowners, but this isnt even about multiowners, this is about "wow this person hasnt got their house decorated, it should be mine" because somehow you feel entitled to someone else's house that they struggled for with the horrible housing system.

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only one house per account. dont know why thats not a thing

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Nope, even if you removed every house from multiowners or from casual players that have 2 or 3 houses (there's a lot), there still wouldnt be anywhere near as many houses as the game needs to have one for everyone, but as I said above, this is all about entitlement so there's not really a need to go further down that part of your post, work as hard as the multiowners do and you'll have it, or sit and complain about them, your choice really.

Instead of trying to actually fix the issue by adding dynamic ward housing which would create houses so everyone can at the very least get a small, the community prefers to attack its own and try to be vultures to try and take people's houses, great community btw.

And no, instanced housing is not an option, that boring concept can stay on other games.

Y'know they had a really good chance to move to instanced housing with island sanctuary it's kinda funny they didn't.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Oh and it gets worse than that.
Everyone one those FCs is a submarine Gil farming opportunity.
And the richer people are the more stuff costs, and supply doesn't increase for all items equally. ("Just buy raiding gear then" go F yourself)

You need to start fixing this shit Yoshi.
Yes I know that means change. Yes I know some people always hate all change. F those people.

And the longer you leave it, the more you are going to have to change at once, and the worse it will be. You've already left it TOO long, but it's just going to keep getting worse.

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This is insulting... and its those ppl that go ahead and break markets as they get hold on too many items - i bet theres a reason they dont use garden made items for crafting anymore... and most times they will use bots to keep it active and everyone else has bad luck..

The only thing i give ppl like those is, at least the fill the garden, less bad then the bots that not even add an teleport lol

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

This is insulting... and its those ppl that go ahead and break markets as they get hold on too many items - i bet theres a reason they dont use garden made items for crafting anymore... and most times they will use bots to keep it active and everyone else has bad luck..

The only thing i give ppl like those is, at least the fill the garden, less bad then the bots that not even add an teleport lol

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Imagine thinking bots actually use housing to make gil.

People that use submarines barely even take part in the market as they get their gil well, from submarines that can be sold at a vendor, at least those using the most popular builds for it.

Also by that standard, everyone with a garden not decorated is a bot. But as I just said above, bots dont use housing to make gil, go on Dynamis and watch them fly around new gridania, I promise you they arent going to a housing area.

This is what makes me laugh with people that have 0 clue what they're talking about, just spouting nonsense to try and put the blame on multiowners for everything, it's pretty hilarious.

It's not that hard to get really, submarines take over 2 to 3 months to even be setup to START making gil, there's no way anyone can actually think that this is viable for someone botting.

I am a multi home owner but I only have a personal and a single FC plot for my two mains in separate data centers. I have always said they need to restrict ownership of FC plots the same as personal plots, one per world and I would be ok if it was one per data center. They also need to force those that own multiple plots in the same ward and such to choose the single personal and FC plot they wish to keep. Give a 45 day period to decide which plots to demolish and you would be refunded the entire cost of the plot. If you don't choose, then the game would choose for you randomly and demolish the rest. I'm tired of seeing my ward in Dynamis being filled by submarine shacks that are empty and owned by one or two people for the entire ward. It would free up thousands of plots across all data centers and that would at least give many players a chance to own a plot that soon will allow you to have the size of a mansion inside despite the size plot it is.



I have also said Island Sanctuary should have been made into instanced housing and that they should make you run through the housing wards to reach them so that the wards see some more foot traffic. I also would love if they had your retainers wandering around, hanging out with your neighbors retainers and more throughout the wards so they feel lively of sorts.

lol.. its not about me wanting a house or me being envious. i actually had a house but i gave it up. because i dont need it. i could have gotten a new one a long time ago

thats the point though not everyone needs a house. so many people want a house just to have it.

why does someone who plays once a week needs a house? an appartement would be enough in those cases. you can decorate it, but there is no point in being a member in a neighbourhood if you arent around anyway.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

I am a multi home owner but I only have a personal and a single FC plot for my two mains in separate data centers. I have always said they need to restrict ownership of FC plots the same as personal plots, one per world and I would be ok if it was one per data center. They also need to force those that own multiple plots in the same ward and such to choose the single personal and FC plot they wish to keep. Give a 45 day period to decide which plots to demolish and you would be refunded the entire cost of the plot. If you don't choose, then the game would choose for you randomly and demolish the rest. I'm tired of seeing my ward in Dynamis being filled by submarine shacks that are empty and owned by one or two people for the entire ward. It would free up thousands of plots across all data centers and that would at least give many players a chance to own a plot that soon will allow you to have the size of a mansion inside despite the size plot it is.



I have also said Island Sanctuary should have been made into instanced housing and that they should make you run through the housing wards to reach them so that the wards see some more foot traffic. I also would love if they had your retainers wandering around, hanging out with your neighbors retainers and more throughout the wards so they feel lively of sorts.

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1st of all it wouldnt free "thousands", you really overestimate the amount of multiowners

2nd, dynamis is a dead DC, you understand that them getting rid of all the multiowners would simply mean dead wards right, with empty plots for weeks and months on end ? Hali, mari and madu would simply become like Materia and have people with 1 house or 2 taken in the ward and lead to an even worse feeling than it is now, lets not even talk about the 4 new worlds that are complete ghost towns

Multiowners take the housing that people are not interested in, and Dynamis is exactly that, because guess what, if people actually wanted those houses, they would have competed agaisnt the multiowners, but weirdly enough they didnt, I wonder why that is... Probably because people arent interested in a dead DC.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

lol.. its not about me wanting a house or me being envious. i actually had a house but i gave it up. because i dont need it. i could have gotten a new one a long time ago

thats the point though not everyone needs a house. so many people want a house just to have it.

why does someone who plays once a week needs a house? an appartement would be enough in those cases. you can decorate it, but there is no point in being a member in a neighbourhood if you arent around anyway.

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Then let's get ready for entire worlds of empty wards, because there arent that many people that log that often, except the usual raiders and all the people that log in game to afk in Limsa or Uldah on Balmung.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Y'know they had a really good chance to move to instanced housing with island sanctuary it's kinda funny they didn't.

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Sadly, houses and demolition timers are part of how the devs keep people subscribed, the more time, effort, and coin (real or fake) you put into the game, the harder it can be to leave for some people. (◍´͈ꈊ`͈◍)

Who necroed this thread.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If they found a way to get everyone a house this would be a feature not an issue

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Please take a gander over at my suggestion and updoot if you are in agreeance.

• Potential Housing Crisis Fix (Includes ability for permanent Housing (Sm, Med, Lrg)

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Originally Posted by Asari5

lol.. its not about me wanting a house or me being envious. i actually had a house but i gave it up. because i dont need it. i could have gotten a new one a long time ago

thats the point though not everyone needs a house. so many people want a house just to have it.

why does someone who plays once a week needs a house? an appartement would be enough in those cases. you can decorate it, but there is no point in being a member in a neighbourhood if you arent around anyway.

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Neighbourhoods are completely dead, the argument is fallacious. Which brings me to my second point: neighbourliness isn't what makes most people want a house. Many seem to want it for the sheer pleasure of knowing that their character has a pied-à-terre in Eorzea, and... And that's about it. The legitimacy of a request is never based on its usefulness in a game. Or else, forget all the demands for more glamours; forget, I'd like to say, all the demands because you don't ‘need’ to play FF.

There are two possibilities here: either SE reinvests this idea of ‘neighbourhood’ and does something with it (event, benefits, etc) and in that case maintaining the current system is valid. Or we can forget all this fuss about a feature that, today, is deeply outdated and generates nothing but frustration.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Neighbourhoods are completely dead, the argument is fallacious. Which brings me to my second point: neighbourliness isn't what makes most people want a house. Many seem to want it for the sheer pleasure of knowing that their character has a pied-à-terre in Eorzea, and... And that's about it. The legitimacy of a request is never based on its usefulness in a game. Or else, forget all the demands for more glamours; forget, I'd like to say, all the demands because you don't ‘need’ to play FF.

There are two possibilities here: either SE reinvests this idea of ‘neighbourhood’ and does something with it (event, benefits, etc) and in that case maintaining the current system is valid. Or we can forget all this fuss about a feature that, today, is deeply outdated and generates nothing but frustration.

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Or we could not change the very base of FFXIV housing and what makes it unique, and instead implement something such as dynamic wards for heavily overpopulated servers such as Balmung so that anyone can at the very least get a small, create new wards based on demand, and remove them where it isnt needed (Hi the 4 new dynamis worlds and Materia), instanced is lazy and boring, and is already in every other game, we dont need that in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Or we could not change the very base of FFXIV housing and what makes it unique, and instead implement something such as dynamic wards for heavily overpopulated servers such as Balmung so that anyone can at the very least get a small, create new wards based on demand, and remove them where it isnt needed (Hi the 4 new dynamis worlds and Materia), instanced is lazy and boring, and is already in every other game, we dont need that in FFXIV.

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The best would be a hybrid system, I'm convinced: keep the neighborhood, which, even if it's dead and buried, comes from a good intention; and set up the equivalent of apartments but with houses via another location. Creating new locations on a regular basis seems a bit greedy though, it must require quite a bit of work.


On the other hand, I'm not so sure about the need to preserve the system's originality at all costs. If the system is bad, who cares if it's original? It's bad, period, and you've got to get rid of it.

Unfortunately, keeping housing both scarce and tying your house to your log-in time is far too lucrative of a thing for Square. It effectively tells you, "You have to keep paying your sub because if you don't, you can't log in and you will lose your house. Oh, and good luck getting another one if that happens, pleb."

It's a way to keep players paying, so the head honchos at Square are probably NEVER gonna fix it.

Why hide their name? This person knows they're doing something bad, they should be shamed for it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

We have instanced housing. All interiors are instanced whether house, apartment or FC chambers.

It's the exteriors that aren't instanced and that is causing the problem. SE just needs to extend the instancing to include the exteriors, using the placard as the portal to multiple player plots at that location just as the apartment building door is the portal to multiple apartments.

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No, just add more wards. The number of wards should simply increase as they fill up, like with WoW's announced housing system. We don't need instanced ghost house nonsense.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Or we could not change the very base of FFXIV housing and what makes it unique, and instead implement something such as dynamic wards for heavily overpopulated servers such as Balmung so that anyone can at the very least get a small, create new wards based on demand, and remove them where it isnt needed (Hi the 4 new dynamis worlds and Materia), instanced is lazy and boring, and is already in every other game, we dont need that in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

Why hide their name? This person knows they're doing something bad, they should be shamed for it.

No, just add more wards. The number of wards should simply increase as they fill up, like with WoW's announced housing system. We don't need instanced ghost house nonsense.

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They are already instanced. Wards are already instances.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

Why hide their name? This person knows they're doing something bad, they should be shamed for it.




No, just add more wards. The number of wards should simply increase as they fill up, like with WoW's announced housing system. We don't need instanced ghost house nonsense.

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I fully agree with you, I'm glad to finally have someone agree with me, we really seem to be a minority at this point lol, instanced is such a boring concept and is already in every other MMO, and guess what, it's super boring and soulless, FFXIV just needs more wards, that's literally it, we dont need instanced housing to "fix" housing, it'd just kill housing.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

They are already instanced. Wards are already instances.

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Fair, it can be seen that way yeah and I agree.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Neighbourhoods are completely dead,

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But why? It wasnt always that bad, when i was new there were many times ppl around...

It'd be really neat if all characters/alts on a server had shared ownership to a single private house.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

But why? It wasnt always that bad, when i was new there were many times ppl around...

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Some hypotheses: lack of maintenance of this system, lack of events in general, people's tiredness with regard to rickety housing. Allowing neighborhood renewal requires real maintenance - something SE doesn't do (for good reason, no doubt: housing is not a priority content). Artificial maintenance could be achieved through owner renewal, but lack of accessibility prevents this.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

But why? It wasnt always that bad, when i was new there were many times ppl around...

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TBH, even on legacy servers when houses were limited to FC and super expensive, it's always been quiet. I feel like unless it's a big FC, you will almost never see your neighbors around.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

FFXIV's housing is the way that it is because of Yoshi P's original vision for housing. He wanted actual living neighborhoods, where you could stroll around and see other folks' houses - something you simply can't do with instanced housing, no matter how you slice it. To see someone's house, you have to first enter their instance.

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WoW's doing it. LOTRO already does it. Why are we still pretending like it's not possible?

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Originally Posted by Andanie

WoW's doing it. LOTRO already does it. Why are we still pretending like it's not possible?

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It is possible, and it's also super boring and soulless, so no thank you, I'd rather the game sticks to ward housing and either adds a lot more wards, or adds dynamic ward housing adding wards based on demand, that way everyone gets at least a small house, there's enough games with instanced housing, feel free to play one of those.

adding more wards until everyone has a house? how do you even know how much is enough?

also some people said multiowner dont make a difference. but of course they do. every multiowner means there has to be a house more to actually reach the point where everyone has a house. and there is no telling how many houses people will buy if there would be an increase in houses. so every player who isnt fast enough, starts the game later or just doesnt have luck in the lottery will potentially have no house.

this means there would be a need to have enough houses for every character and also every fc in the game.... thats a LOT.


and to be clear i am pro wards. i dont really see the point in indtanced housing. but for the whole thing to be viable it needs regulations. and for a lively neighbourhood you would have to concentrate the active house owners in one ward.

Still baffling to me that the devs never thought to fix the "single player owning multiple houses on a single account" issue. Especially after a decade of this problem persisting and making the housing ward scarcity even worse.

What do you MEAN?

LOTRO has housing wards that spin up as needed.

WoW is planning neighborhoods that can be private or public and spin up as needed. XIV players stay making excuses for a system that is bad on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Andanie

What do you MEAN?

LOTRO has housing wards that spin up as needed.

WoW is planning neighborhoods that can be private or public and spin up as needed. XIV players stay making excuses for a system that is bad on purpose.

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Instanced is a garbage system .it did not look great in eso .it will not look good in wow either . Xiv has one of the best housing system

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

TBH, even on legacy servers when houses were limited to FC and super expensive, it's always been quiet. I feel like unless it's a big FC, you will almost never see your neighbors around.

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Im on shiva, before the split and all it was not that dead, at least some ppl were always around... I cant help. I still recall, i had my house in Uldah first, my apartment in limsa and later shiro... it was always somewhat busy.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

No, WildStar had the best housing system, but for some reason no other MMO wants to steal it wholesale despite it being one of the few things it did better than everyone else.

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As a wise man once said, "that's like... your opinion". I highly disagree.

Fully modifiable housing system from Wildstar? Community: "Nah, we're fine with trash"
Reduce button bloat from pressing 1-2-3 to just 1? Community: "Nah, we like bloat"

Yoshi P: "High end graphics and turnbased doesnt work" Expedition 33: "Highest user-rated game ever which has both"

Square Enix is a dying breed that went fully corporate and forgot that their legacy was innovation and creativity. This MMO ever since Endwalker has been the best example of this, just chasing trends and thinking what is popular.

An MMO or a game should make you feel like you're entering into a lived world with real characters, a real world story. This game makes you feel like you're walking into a supermarket that has a bunch of different themed shops that don't fit well together. So yeah, get used to this kind of slop and lack of QoL. That's what Square Enix wants for you and thats what a lot of this community who are afraid of change are enabling. GG WP

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Fully modifiable housing system from Wildstar? Community: "Nah, we're fine with trash"
Reduce button bloat from pressing 1-2-3 to just 1? Community: "Nah, we like bloat"

Yoshi P: "High end graphics and turnbased doesnt work" Expedition 33: "Highest user-rated game ever which has both"

Square Enix is a dying breed that went fully corporate and forgot that their legacy was innovation and creativity. This MMO ever since Endwalker has been the best example of this, just chasing trends and thinking what is popular.

An MMO or a game should make you feel like you're entering into a lived world with real characters, a real world story. This game makes you feel like you're walking into a supermarket that has a bunch of different themed shops that don't fit well together. So yeah, get used to this kind of slop and lack of QoL. That's what Square Enix wants for you and thats what a lot of this community who are afraid of change are enabling. GG WP

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Yeah true, Wildstar was such a great success too!

Oh wait..

"On September 6, 2018, NCSoft announced the immediate closure of Carbine Studios and that they "will begin the process of winding WildStar down".[5] A shut-down date was later set for November 28, 2018.[6]"

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Originally Posted by Miohazuki

Instanced is a garbage system .it did not look great in eso .it will not look good in wow either . Xiv has one of the best housing system

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You realized wards are instances right? lol your comment makes no sense, you're saying instance is a garbage system while literally playing a game trying to defend literally instance housing wards your house is an instance within an instance they are literally double instanced.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yeah true, Wildstar was such a great success too!

Oh wait..

"On September 6, 2018, NCSoft announced the immediate closure of Carbine Studios and that they "will begin the process of winding WildStar down".[5] A shut-down date was later set for November 28, 2018.[6]"

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I'm talking about the feature of their housing, where you could freely place anything, rotate anything, enlarge or make things smaller and housing was instanced. You're making it sound like I said the housing is the whole game? I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the innovative feature it had.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

I'm talking about the feature of their housing, where you could freely place anything, rotate anything, enlarge or make things smaller and housing was instanced. You're making it sound like I said the housing is the whole game? I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the innovative feature it had.

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Why does everyone talk as if housing including wards isn't instanced lol it already is instanced

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Why does everyone talk as if housing including wards isn't instanced lol it already is instanced

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Because they mean different things when they say "instanced", in a literal sense, yes, house wards are already individual instances, but what people want are small instances with modular loading that would lead to an equal amount of houses as there are characters, rather than the current very limited amount.

I'm not a fan of "just give everyone an instanced house," because that's what we got with Islands: how often do people go to other people's islands? And how would you even find an island unless it belongs to a friend?

In the wards people do wander them at times, visit homes. I do: it's fun seeing how people decorate/set up their homes. Plus the ones that are venues like Museums, Aquariums, RPG facilities, gpose facilities, etc. So no, I don't want "neighborhoods" taken away from us, but I would like to see something new offered:

New neighborhood design with plots all the size that currently goes with a large. You buy the plot for a relatively small fee (I'm okay with prices varying a bit depending on plot location).

THEN, you buy a permit for the size house you want to put on the plot: small, med, or large. (You can up or downgrade this later, for a fee.) Can give the neighborhood a varied look by the strips of land between plots, how plots are angled, etc.

Because house interiors are instanced, this wouldn't add anything significant to the load for the neighborhood itself. For the yards, just make it that all of them have same number of items: 40 (or 50 if they give us an increase?) slots available, and the owner has to work out how to fit them into the exterior space depending on the size house they bought. (I will say I find the current caps on number of yard items frustrating, especially when decorating for a holiday.)

I'd also like to see some yard options, where we can pick from a menu of a few seasonal types of yards---say, grass, snow-covered, brown dirt (autumn/haunted), sand? And change these as we choose?

Back to housing: Yoshi keeps hinting they may change to letting us choose the size of the house's *interior* at some future date; I'd like to see that go one step further with the exterior as well, right from the start, in this new ward design.

Not everyone is going to *want* (or can afford) a large or even a medium, but if they do, it would allow them to get the house size they want (or upgrade to it) on their plot in this new neighborhood. That would reduce a LOT of the competition for larges and mediums, and help get more plots occupied, in servers where all that's left are empty small plots.

This wouldn't fix *all* the issues with housing scarcity, but IMO it would help in some ways.

I also think we need more wards on existing worlds: mainly because it's not fun when in order to get the medium or large you've tried for years to get on your current home world instead you're told "Just move your character to this new world we've created that has all these empty wards, and try there!"

Which can mean leaving behind friends and family and FC people on your current world. Given that in some worlds/data centers they can at times be blocked off from people traveling TO them from other worlds/data centers, that's been a problem for folks wanting to go back to do things with friends on their old home world.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Because they mean different things when they say "instanced", in a literal sense, yes, house wards are already individual instances, but what people want are small instances with modular loading that would lead to an equal amount of houses as there are characters, rather than the current very limited amount.

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an Instance is an Instance, the only thing that would be loss is their ability to live track gardens and orchestrations, but in reality those can be stored as a SQL entry and next time the instance is loaded it just does a check on how long as passed since the last time the instance was loaded vs how long x garden should take to grow.

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Originally Posted by Nana_Bear

I also think we need more wards on existing worlds: mainly because it's not fun when in order to get the medium or large you've tried for years to get on your current home world instead you're told "Just move your character to this new world we've created that has all these empty wards, and try there!"

Which can mean leaving behind friends and family and FC people on your current world. Given that in some worlds/data centers they can at times be blocked off from people traveling TO them from other worlds/data centers, that's been a problem for folks wanting to go back to do things with friends on their old home world.

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This exactly this, I have been playing since 2015 I created my FC on 01/01/2016 and still have not gotten an FC house. I am basically packing up to move to dynamis knowing I am losing a 9 year old FC and over 200 friends some who I have been friends with for over 2500+ 3000+ days because as you know majority of them will just stay on their home server and not bother DC hoping just to say hi and hang out.