Disappointed that private individuals can purchase housing plots in 5.35

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Originally Posted by Juicymama

you don't need craft and gather to make money. Go abuse server market board and keep track of things that has a major price difference to your server.

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now that i think about it , since we got more markets around , people interested could just buy and sell to make profit. That actually sounds a fun way to pass time

Sorry but, if you don't have enough money to buy a house, that's your problem. As a FC, you're a group of people, not just one person. You should be able to get enough Gil to, at least, buy a small plot. We all have the right to have the oportunity to buy a house. If a single person put more effort into saving money than a group of people, that person has the right to get the house he/she wants

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

Sorry but, if you don't have enough money to buy a house, that's your problem. As a FC, you're a group of people, not just one person. You should be able to get enough Gil to, at least, buy a small plot. We all have the right to have the oportunity to buy a house. If a single person put more effort into saving money than a group of people, that person has the right to get the house he/she wants

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As if THAT was the problem with housing. Gil.
The problem here is the devs that don't want to make personal housing instanced and guild housing into wards. Or just double up the number of wards and be done with the problem. Instead of adding housing, after a few months determine new minimuns and add over 100 wards to each server, see how it fills and then in a few months just remove wards was they are vacant and populations don't go, many players don't even care about housing.

6 wards are what, like 300 houses total?

The whole housing in this game needs to be burned down, i know wards are cool, but they just are not working.
Instanced housing is the way to go.

Or just invest in a hundred more housing servers, like what, cannot purchase more HDDs?

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

As if THAT was the problem with housing. Gil.
The problem here is the devs that don't want to make personal housing instanced and guild housing into wards. Or just double up the number of wards and be done with the problem. Instead of adding housing, after a few months determine new minimuns and add over 100 wards to each server, see how it fills and then in a few months just remove wards was they are vacant and populations don't go, many players don't even care about housing.

6 wards are what, like 300 houses total?

The whole housing in this game needs to be burned down, i know wards are cool, but they just are not working.
Instanced housing is the way to go.

Or just invest in a hundred more housing servers, like what, cannot purchase more HDDs?

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6 wards is 360 houses, times 4. Because 4 housing districts.


And they said this is a temporary measure and that they were in the process of adding physical hardware to increase the number of its available by a large amount, but covid happened.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

6 wards is 360 houses, times 4. Because 4 housing districts.


And they said this is a temporary measure and that they were in the process of adding physical hardware to increase the number of its available by a large amount, but covid happened.

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That's still too little.
We've had this problem since housing released.

6 years now? 7?

Make, housing, instanced. Or get more HDDs, is just servers, COVID excuse is lmao.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

COVID excuse is lmao.

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I was with you until this. Consider yourself fortunate that you don't realise how severely this has negatively affected millions of people that you can look upon it as "lmao".

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I was with you until this. Consider yourself fortunate that you don't realise how severely this has negatively affected millions of people that you can look upon it as "lmao".

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Excuse me, i didn't know COVID was transmited through SATA cables.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Excuse me, i didn't know COVID was transmited through SATA cables.

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I would explain at length that HUMANS work at SE but it's clear you want to ignore this.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I would explain at length that HUMANS work at SE but it's clear you want to ignore this.

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I would explain at lenght that safety measure can be taken, and hooking up servers with an exterior provider (as SE does, they don't own their servers btw) is completely safe and doable even in the current pandemic situation. Then again it might vary from country to country.
So yeah, covid doesn't transmit through ethernet cables neither.

And stop assuming so many things. Is bad for you. Takes you from a position of knowledge to one of opinion and that is always... Not good for discussion, some might even call it a logical failure.
For example assuming i don't care about COVID or people working conditions.

Anet released the last patch of GW2 without voice acting due to COVID. Now that understand perfectly.
Not adding servers to an online service... I press X for doubt.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Ah, the elitism. I see the crafters and gatherers are coming out to attack me to try to secure their private housing and leave poorer and casual FCs in the dust.

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Let's not forget there is no reason to blame individual players who have the time to put effort into things. The players are not the culprit here. And saying you deserve something first because you are casual is, in and of itself, it's own form of elitism.

SE is the one who created this situation, instead of blaming the ppl who have the gil because they have the time to put in, we should shift to putting more pressure on SE and stop letting Yoshida wave off questions he doesn't want to answer.

It's not the players fault there are not enough houses and it is ridiculous that anyone believes it is, this problem lays directly in the lap of Square Enix and no other.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

I would explain at lenght that safety measure can be taken, and hooking up servers with an exterior provider (as SE does, they don't own their servers btw) is completely safe and doable even in the current pandemic situation. Then again it might vary from country to country.
So yeah, covid doesn't transmit through ethernet cables neither.

And stop assuming so many things. Is bad for you. Takes you from a position of knowledge to one of opinion and that is always... Not good for discussion, some might even call it a logical failure.
For example assuming i don't care about COVID or people working conditions.

Anet released the last patch of GW2 without voice acting due to COVID. Now that understand perfectly.
Not adding servers to an online service... I press X for doubt.

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They do own the servers. If you took the time to read the notice on the lodestone maybe you'd understand that.


Also, they aren't adding hdds, that's not the issue with housing. Processing power is, hence the new servers

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Not adding servers to an online service... I press X for doubt.

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It seems that you do not realise that people manage these things and setting up servers actually requires some degree of manual labour. It's not all just mouse clicks from a remote location. That can only happen after a considerable amount of set-up done by other people.

I understand the criticism about SE and housing, I very frequently criticise it myself. But that doesn't mean I'm going to say covid cannot be an excuse for delays when I know for a fact that some people need to work on site in order to be able to actually do their job. Not all jobs relating to online services can be done remotely. People need to put the hardware in its physical location. You don't just press a button and *poof* new servers appear all wired up and ready to use.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

I would explain at lenght that safety measure can be taken, and hooking up servers with an exterior provider (as SE does, they don't own their servers btw) is completely safe and doable even in the current pandemic situation.

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If governments even in the most powerful and rich countries around the world did not have adequate measures set up to deal with a pandemic then I struggle to understand why you think SE would or should considering they're not a governing body at all and they specialise entertainment, not essential services.

It would of course be nice if everyone could have been prepared but capitalism often doesn't permit this to happen because it is not seen as profitable to prepare for a situation that is deemed to be exceptionally unlikely to happen. This is the only pandemic of this scale that any of us have even seen in our lifetime, and it's true even for the eldest generation. Very few thought this would happen.

@OP: high-pop server player here--i vehemently disagree. every new ward being snapped up by relocations and all their old plots being camped by bots for the vicious random timer was awful, and i fully welcome things returning to a relatively equal playing field (though of course this is limited to launch day only, and then the botswarms descend again).

At least now people who don't have a house (and therefore completely locked out of access to airships/submarines/advanced farming plots and the gil that comes from those) actually have a brief dream of a shot at getting one.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Ah, the elitism. I see the crafters and gatherers are coming out to attack me to try to secure their private housing and leave poorer and casual FCs in the dust.

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Please QQ some more about how you don't have enough money to buy a house. Everyone has the same chance. You have the funds for it? Great. If you don't? Better work to save up.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

As if THAT was the problem with housing. Gil.
The problem here is the devs that don't want to make personal housing instanced and guild housing into wards. Or just double up the number of wards and be done with the problem. Instead of adding housing, after a few months determine new minimuns and add over 100 wards to each server, see how it fills and then in a few months just remove wards was they are vacant and populations don't go, many players don't even care about housing.

6 wards are what, like 300 houses total?

The whole housing in this game needs to be burned down, i know wards are cool, but they just are not working.
Instanced housing is the way to go.

Or just invest in a hundred more housing servers, like what, cannot purchase more HDDs?

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Well, it seems Gil IS the problem for OP. Also, to be fair, there IS instanced housing already in the game for individuals (departments); which only cost 500,000 Gil and, unlike plots, you won't lose it no matter how much time you spend without visiting it. Saddly, no one want them because there's no exterior to decorate/furnish, and no way to crossbreed plants.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

The last time new housing wards were available, it was limited to FCs at first and everything was fine. On all but the most populated servers plots remained available for individuals when it's their turn. Now, however, it seems that FCs need to compete with private individuals for housing. Not only is this unjust as it rewards rich individual players with huge amounts of gil and punish FCs with mostly casual players trying to amass their gil together to purchase a house together, we also cannot forget that individual housing are intentionally limited.

They cannot use airships or submersibles because SE decided that there needs to be a penalty to individual housing to disincentivize private players from purchasing them and nudge them towards grouping together in free company housing to enjoy the social aspect of the game. Private housing is anti-social, while free company housing is social. This is one reason why we should be prioritizing free company housing before personal housing.

Furthermore, allowing private housing to go first means it disproportionately rewards private crafters and/or gatherers who have the means to make the most gil, which is unfair to players who are more casual. It might not seem apparent why this is the case at first, but consider this scenario: a medium housing plot goes for sale at 17.5M gil, which is a huge sum of gil for all but the most dedicated of players. A private crafter or gatherer can easily afford that gil, and veteran players who have played this game for years can easily afford that even without crafting/gathering. But to casual players who play this game for a few hours per week, that amount of gil is an extreme cost. Now, an FC with 10 casual players can afford that cost by paying 1.75M gil each, which is more on the affordable side that even most casual players can afford. So if SE allows private individuals to purchase housing at the same time as FCs, that means more casual players who may not have that much gil are disadvantaged while players who are already very rich are advantaged.

Finally, most private individuals already belong to an FC. They already enjoy the content that FC housing brings: such as gardening, airships, and decoration. Allowing them to get another house just for themselves is unfair to FCs who do not have a house yet.

I hope SE will seriously reconsider this decision.

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FCs can pound sand. I want a house and if FCs get a week's jump on us they'll all be gone. You know that's true.

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

Not being a Highlander made it look like a legit post. Damn it. Wonder how many accounts this person has

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That's what got me too.

These wards are being added because there is no demolitions taking place at the moment because of the pandemic, not because of the overall housing issue. Its almost certain they will add more wards later on once they improve server infrastructure, not to mention we'll also be getting an entirely new area once ishgard restoration is complete.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Well apparently talking about housing is now considered "trolling". I wonder if there's a group of private crafters and gatherers out there trying to snipe all the mansions by going on the forums and attacking anyone who wants Fc Housing.

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It certainly wouldn't be you, not with your hordes of accounts full of crafter and gatherers.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It certainly wouldn't be you, not with your hordes of accounts full of crafter and gatherers.

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I only have one account. Meanwhile you probably have dozens considering your link with the Malboro Novice Network mafia...

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

I only have one account. Meanwhile you probably have dozens considering your link with the Malboro Novice Network mafia...

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Good one! Definitely part of the "Malboro Novice Network mafia" even though I'm not on that datacenter, only have 1 character, and have never been to Malboro in the 10 years I've played this game. Definitely me.

Oh I'm sure threatening to bear the full force of the Novice Network mafia upon me is productive. Know that I'll not bend in the face of private housing tyranny.

Having played for some time, I've seen how the housing system has been implemented rather... poorly. While I can concede some... aspect of OP's argument, fact of the matter is : First come, first served. You don't have to like the system (I can tell you about the last time I tried to bid for a private house and... how it affected me, healthwise), but until SE decides to change it, like it or lump it.

I will add... I don't understand why some people and FC's have multiple houses. I have heard of a ward on another data center, which all the houses are own by a single FC. I honestly think that housing should be one per account (including alts) and maybe, some wards solely for FC's. But saying that FC's should have the dominance in the housing areas... I'm sorry, i disagree with that @OP.

As a private individual, I am not sure why I should be punished for taking the time to craft/gather and work hard for my gil. I transferred DC's and I have four of my retainers stuck with all my medium's furnishings. I rather not buy five apartments to store it and I am NOT going to click a plaquard for 24 hours. I have every right to purchase when everyone else does.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

As if THAT was the problem with housing. Gil.
The problem here is the devs that don't want to make personal housing instanced and guild housing into wards. Or just double up the number of wards and be done with the problem. Instead of adding housing, after a few months determine new minimuns and add over 100 wards to each server, see how it fills and then in a few months just remove wards was they are vacant and populations don't go, many players don't even care about housing.

6 wards are what, like 300 houses total?

The whole housing in this game needs to be burned down, i know wards are cool, but they just are not working.
Instanced housing is the way to go.

Or just invest in a hundred more housing servers, like what, cannot purchase more HDDs?

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Actually, it's 1440 new houses per server. Also, if you read the post again it mentioned this is a temporary solution until travel restriction get lifted due to Covid-19 and they can install new server hardware.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Excuse me, i didn't know COVID was transmited through SATA cables.

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Sounds like you not aware they have to prep the servers in japan, you know where the dev's at and ship them out to all datacenters but there is a thing called travel restrictions in the world so that's that.

But hey, keep being rude to people in this thread and act like a child on a anger tantrum.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Good one! Definitely part of the "Malboro Novice Network mafia" even though I'm not on that datacenter, only have 1 character, and have never been to Malboro in the 10 years I've played this game. Definitely me.

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I would be more concerned about the Ul'dah Lala cartel. :D

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I would be more concerned about the Ul'dah Lala cartel. :D

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or the limsa/uldah bench ERP guild

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

As a private individual, I am not sure why I should be punished for taking the time to craft/gather and work hard for my gil. I transferred DC's and I have four of my retainers stuck with all my medium's furnishings. I rather not buy five apartments to store it and I am NOT going to click a plaquard for 24 hours. I have every right to purchase when everyone else does.

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Your right shouldn't triumph over the rights of a 20-member FC or a 40-member FC

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Ah, the elitism. I see the crafters and gatherers are coming out to attack me to try to secure their private housing and leave poorer and casual FCs in the dust.

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Then learn to craft.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Your right shouldn't triumph over the rights of a 20-member FC or a 40-member FC

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Aww, sweetie you seem bitter? I am putting the work. My right is just as much your 20 FC filled with poor people who don't want to put in the time. Be better.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Enough to buy a small house perhaps, but not a medium or large.

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You seem to have at tendency to whine about things that you know little about. First the dungeon speed now this. So I have zero crafting and gathering, and don't play much outside of raiding, and I have easily 170 miilion gil on my toons combined. That's enough to buy a medium or large.

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Originally Posted by Seddrinth

You seem to have at tendency to whine about things that you know little about. First the dungeon speed now this. So I have zero crafting and gathering, and don't play much outside of raiding, and I have easily 170 miilion gil on my toons combined. That's enough to buy a medium or large.

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Multiples actually if it was still possible.

Here's my take on this. I think it's also a bad decision. FC's should always get first pick over private. However, only FC's that have a certain # of players (Active) should be able to get these houses. Not FC's that only have 3 players that has just been made the night before so they can snag a plot.

And they should still make them separate. Increase wards but make it to where like wards 1-40 are only FC housing and 41-80 are private housing. Also they need to limit private housing purchasing to 1 house per account so people don't have like 5 houses.

Lastly, i think they need to change their housing game. FC houses i think should be a different style/floorplan than the other houses. I also think they should be 0.5x bigger than the normal houses. For instance if housing size is categorized as small(1), medium(2), mansion(3) - than FC housing should be (1.5)(3)(4.5) respectively. I just think FC houses should offer more and be a little bigger than normal housing. I would like FC housing to be the main point of hanging out. I rarely see people hanging out at their FC house.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Here's my take on this. I think it's also a bad decision. FC's should always get first pick over private. However, only FC's that have a certain # of players (Active) should be able to get these houses. Not FC's that only have 3 players that has just been made the night before so they can snag a plot.

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On the other hand, a fc going from rank 1 to 6 in a night show dedication.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Also they need to limit private housing purchasing to 1 house per account so people don't have like 5 houses.

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Already kinda a thing. 1 personal per server per account.

There's a reason why individuals were left out in the past. Mark my words, everyone who's excited about housing open to individuals again will be back in this very forum complaining after 5.35 hits. And those who weren't excited will definitely be back.

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

On the other hand, a fc going from rank 1 to 6 in a night show dedication.



Already kinda a thing. 1 personal per server per account.

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Not really. When my fc moved the 3 of us from Mateus to jenova, it took us.... About 5 minutes to go from rank 1 to rank 6 lol.

Its stupid easy if you turn in gear.

Honestly? It's gonna be a bloodbath regardless of what SE does. Some people will get lucky; others won't. Those who get lucky are allowed to celebrate and those who weren't as lucky have the right be feel bitter and frustrated. I do get why FCs get prioritized over individuals, but that's not totally fair either. There are people with no FCs (and don't wanna join one); there are people who enjoy decorating houses and are pretty talented at it (many designs are mind-blowing); there are people who just want a place to call their own in Eorzea. Like people have said previously, sometimes FC housing/workshop privileges are given only to a small group of individuals. The FC rooms argument can be countered by the existence of apartments (dunno if they both cost the same). And let's not forget players who make FCs just to bypass the restriction. Moreover, there's just no limit or end to the number of FCs out there. There's no way in hell all of them will get houses. If we tried to do that, there might never be any houses left for individuals. And even then, there's still no guarantee that all existing FCs will have houses.

Bottom line, I personally think that everyone having equal chances isn't a bad thing. I suggested in another thread the possibility to exclude a certain category each time new wards are released. So one time we exclude relocation, next time purchasing, and why not next time FCs.

No, a "whole fc" would buy up an entire ward. /s

Being on a low population world I might have a chance to score me a house. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone buys a house and goes right into the PF and tries to sell it immediately for Gil. It really wouldn’t surprise me.

Being on a low population world I might have a chance to score me a house. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone buys a house and goes right into the PF and tries to sell it immediately for Gil. It really wouldn’t surprise me.