Final Fantasy 14 --here goes

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

...People don't seem to understand that the whole point of the job system is that you gain more power in a way that's specific to your job and class, but you lose some of the cross-classing flexibility.

If you absolutely must have Cure when you're on THM, then you simply do not set black mage and play THM as you always have. You trade greater power for greater flexibility.

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I really want to point something out, regarding that last statement of yours (the bolded line):

That's the whole point of a main class/job in the first place...Your MAIN class/job is supposed to be SUBSTANTIALLY better at IT'S* role than any another class/job is at that role. There shouldn't be a need to COMPLETELY restrict jobs if the main class/job counterpart is properly balanced.

The reason XI failed, in that regard, was because ppl could simply sub a particular job, and act as a replacement for a role that it wasn't intended to replace. For example:

Summoner/White Mage = replacement healer for whm

Ninja/Warrior = replacement tank for pld



A BLM capable of curing did not cause a problem for a WHM, in XI, thanks to the sub job system restrictions -we were only granted access to "actions" available to our sub job at it's current "restricted" level (half the level of your main class).

The answer to the problem in XIV shouldn't be "screw all other mages out of a cure, to keep white mage relevant." We should be asking for adjustments to the class/job system... Find ways, like the sub job system, to keep jobs like blm from ever having a way to compete with whm for main healer. The Armoury System is the problem here. It's too hard to balance with it's current design.

Anyway, my point is....the recent update to the Armoury System wasn't good enough. They need to implement some sort of Armoury/Sub-job System hybrid.

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Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo

Hypocritical much?

Let me refresh your memory:



You called the OP a ridiculous, jealous, unjust newb...

You're the one who started the petty character insults. Stay on topic from now on, and contribute to the discussion in a positive way; and if at all possible, try not to be such a <insert insult here> about it.

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I see your boyfriend called you to fight his wars for him. That's pretty endearing.

Either way, you two continue to attempt rationalization of your Dr. Phil intervention against me for calling the ridiculous exactly what it is.

I know entropy when i see it. To rationalize further isn't worth the annoyance of watching the failure of your logic persist.

Have fun in Eorzea.

Give your hubby a kiss to celebrate your false sense of forum justice lol :3

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Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo

Ninja/Warrior = replacement tank for pld

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You really didn't play FFXI much (if at all), did you? Otherwise you would know why NIN/WAR was a good tank.

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Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo

You called the OP a ridiculous, jealous, unjust newb...

You're the one who started the petty character insults. Stay on topic from now on, and contribute to the discussion in a positive way; and if at all possible, try not to be such a <insert insult here> about it.

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No, I am sorry, but I am with AreeyaJaidee on this one. This player has just as much right to display his anger with posters suggesting his characters get whiped, as the OP did to suggest it. It aggitates me as well to see someone mention that. any time someone with limited time displayed, such as having just one 50, suggest everyone else take a server wipe, the likelyhood of jelousy is a good one.

Lately, every Tom, Dick, and Harry has decided to make there own "special" thread with an long OP detailing to the public how they suggest the game should be. There are literally thread upon thread of posters making a thread just for there opinion. Every single one of these could of posted there full opinion on any of the other threads, but no, they all want to make there own. Then go on to act absolutely shocked when someone disagrees with them, either hatefully or politely. BUT, when you go one suggesting other players hard work be wiped for the sake of your vision, you will get angry backlash, and fully deserve it. So lets give up all this shock and awe about someone being offended by the suggestion. Its absolutely with in there right to be angered by that and the lashing out is expected.

wiping characters is the best way to force the people that have been playing and supporting this game for 2 years(at 2.0 release) to never return to the game. it's also a great way to make sure i would never purchase another game made by square again.

5 materia = lv99 crafter im guessing, we just have the NOOB level cap till they start raising it. just like we can use all 30 hot bar slots.

I would love a wipe due to the chaos that would ensue. It would be absolutely divine to watch.

Realistically its not possible or even feasible but by the gods if they did do that the 'lulz' would be epic.

Yes I am sadistically evil.

Add level sync to be able to xp with friends/others!

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Originally Posted by Tsleuer

really so the fact that you before patch 1.18 i believe you could have a crafting job in your party and leach xp does no one remember seeing that. i just thought it was silly you can take a carpenter in a party and gain xp from lvling in a party.

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Let me say this *not trying to sound mean* anyways you never EVER got exp for your DoH/L class. Why do I know this? Because I tried to do the PL trick for a DoH/L class for friends and not once have they ever got any exp.

"i believe you could have a crafting job in your party and leach xp does no one remember seeing that"
You believe is what you believe not everyone
No one remembers getting exp from getting their DoL/H class PLed is because it NEVER happened

It was never possible to gain exp from kills on a DoH/DoL. I've even taken the eternity it takes to kill an enemy with stone throw and you get no EXP.

I stayed in this game through the bullshit period just because I was promised that my character is not going to get deleted.
If they ever even imply that something like this is going to happen now (or ever), its bye bye forever FFXIV and hello Guildwars II or Diablo II.

Dont ask for stupid things please.

IF YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE GAME AT LEVEL 1 AGAIN. PLEASE DELETE YOUR CHARACTER!!!

We needed a thread about playing at level 1 really? DELETE. Make new character...

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Originally Posted by Agoven

IF YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE GAME AT LEVEL 1 AGAIN. PLEASE DELETE YOUR CHARACTER!!!

We needed a thread about playing at level 1 really? DELETE. Make new character...

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no need to delete... just sub a new char...both party will be happy!!! XD

There is not need of character obligatory erase. Player can easily erase them, buy a new one, wait to 2.0 or even left one or two classes without training, and the use then when 2.0 come.

Besides, the main story of 2.0 will be probably a continuation of this one and the gran companies quests so we won´t miss any important of the main story...probably.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

You really didn't play FFXI much (if at all), did you? Otherwise you would know why NIN/WAR was a good tank.

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remember the dirty pld, war/whm. just had to bring it up.

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Originally Posted by myoozek

I think there is valid concern by the OP. Hold on, Areeya, let me finish.

I am 12 levels from having all DoW jobs at 50, take this into account! Although it is unfair to wipe away the countless hours I've dumped into my character (and, mind you, I'm not especially keen on being PL'd, which is why I haven't already hit 50 on all jobs; I like to play the job and know familiarize myself with each action's strengths and weaknesses, timing, recast, effectiveness, etc), what I believe the OP is alluding to as a looming threat to the future success of this game, which, unfortunately, is multi-dimensional.

The first dimension I can think of, arguably the most important one, is retaining player loyalty. This rings especially true for this game, which has been a train-wreck in perpetual salvage-mode since its release.

The second dimension I can think of is, what I believe the OP to have considered, is the 'new' player. As a linkshell leader, this is something that I have had looming in my thoughts for quite some time. Most of my linkshell mates are well above 50% in all jobs, a handful quite near 100%. Leveling my last job, MRD, (currently @ 38) has proven to be quite the lonesome road; no one is L38 these days. If they are, they zoom past in a weekend's time with PL assistance. I've refrained from that, in hopes of experiencing the thrill of actually leveling the way the game is intended. My concern is that with so many players near 100%, there will be less incentive on new players to level appropriately, instead opting to be PL'd as fast as possible to 'run with the big boys.'

Again - I completely disagree of simply resetting everyone's job back to L1 is not a viable solution, however, the OP brings a valid concern in my book. I personally am very curious as to how SE can manage to pacify players like ourselves, Areeya, who've spent the blood and tears into getting to where we're at, while still creating a social dynamic that allows new players to interact with veteran players. I feel if this isn't address correctly, it could very well spell demise for the game.

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thank you, i know i can delete my guy and start over and have the satisfaction myself and i think they did mention a level sync in the future.

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Originally Posted by Gao

Let me say this *not trying to sound mean* anyways you never EVER got exp for your DoH/L class. Why do I know this? Because I tried to do the PL trick for a DoH/L class for friends and not once have they ever got any exp.

"i believe you could have a crafting job in your party and leach xp does no one remember seeing that"
You believe is what you believe not everyone
No one remembers getting exp from getting their DoL/H class PLed is because it NEVER happened

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Then I am wrong I just remember people in LS complaining but it could have been the physical level which is absoluty worthless but at the time no one knew it was going away.

Lvl Sync and Cap increase would fix all these issues anyway.

The solution does not have to be a destructive one.

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Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee

Lvl Sync and Cap increase would fix all these issues anyway.

The solution does not have to be a destructive one.

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Agreed I like this better, best of both worlds. I did forget that they did mention level sync it has just been quiet as of late.

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Originally Posted by tachi

I wish I could wipe my DOM/DOW to lvl 1 and start over for 2.0, however the DOH/DOL would cause me and i'm sure others to commit suicide if we had those wiped. Honestly lvl'ing a class/job right now is so fast, I wish I could experience the content at each of the job quest rank fights lvl capped. It feels like they put so much nice work into the job quests yet its just a pushover and an anima pinch at rank 50.

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Some people might not realize this yet, but new players are not having an easy time to lvl, getting jobs, doing low level instanced raids, Ifrit, etc.... Even killing NMs like Daddy Long Legs... Yesterday I saw a party of 4 lvl 35 newbies wiping to Daddy, decided not to help them, even when I could just kill the NM in seconds, I wanted them to enjoy the content that was given to them.

Imagine newbies trying to get AF pieces. They've never been to Mor Dhona, have never won DH, would have to enter Zahark lvl 40, which would be a certain death if you go alone or duo.

Regarding the Tslseur's comments, this is Final Fantasy, not Rift, there are no Clerics but White Mages. Having 3 combined JOBs without retrictions would be overpowered. Right now, we can cross-class 2 classes, and have the full skill of our own class, i find it good enough for me (I dislike the BLM's cross-classes tho), we just have to be creative.

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Originally Posted by Tsleuer

I will probably get flamed for this but please keep an open mind.

After the recent patch I like the fact that they brought out the job classes but I really think they just need to get rid of the armor system this gladiator discipline and pld Job class is simple a bad idea. it was meant to make it more party oriented or so that is what I read in a few forums but instead as a BLM I lose the ability to cure(yes second wind but it’s pointless for mages) because I am tied to monk *(I will address this later) why can’t that have 4 basic jobs rogue, warrior, mage, cleric that then branch off into different directions (yes like rift and other MMORPG but somehow different because with others you have to create a new guy) and even take it one step further like they did in or have like they did in dragon warrior 7 and I think ff7 tactics have "combination classes" so you can level a mage to 10 or 20 or 30 which ever works then it branches into a tree for example after mage comes Black mage (yes starts back at lvl 1 just like ffxi because we all love to) then you level cleric which turns into white mage then maybe take it further you need to have cleric at lvl 20 and black mage at 20 makes red mage (just a thought) or mixing warrior job to cleric job makes pLD and you can make it so that you have 3 advance jobs create a heroic job all giving new party dynamics and still allowed to change the job at will.

Keep in mind it’s all open minded and just my thoughts but the next part that I know I will be flamed for is everyone that has all lvl 50 jobs I think the best thing they could do is just wipe the servers start fresh at lvl 1 for everyone and everything. I know some people have issues with this but getting 2.0 out is a huge step and when they do everyone will be lvl 50 and no low level people left so when and if they get new people (going to be tough) you won’t be able to level friends because they have everything at 50.

Next materia great Idea but then they took it too far and now you can add up to 5 materia to one item, ok so you’re telling me that a person can put +24 int or more with attk magic pot +30 is going to be better than a weapon or gear designed to be end game (at this time) maybe dumb down the materia just a bit guys.

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sooo... im guessing you dont actually play the game...

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Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo

I really want to point something out, regarding that last statement of yours (the bolded line):

That's the whole point of a main class/job in the first place...Your MAIN class/job is supposed to be SUBSTANTIALLY better at IT'S* role than any another class/job is at that role. There shouldn't be a need to COMPLETELY restrict jobs if the main class/job counterpart is properly balanced.

The reason XI failed, in that regard, was because ppl could simply sub a particular job, and act as a replacement for a role that it wasn't intended to replace. For example:

Summoner/White Mage = replacement healer for whm

Ninja/Warrior = replacement tank for pld



A BLM capable of curing did not cause a problem for a WHM, in XI, thanks to the sub job system restrictions -we were only granted access to "actions" available to our sub job at it's current "restricted" level (half the level of your main class).

The answer to the problem in XIV shouldn't be "screw all other mages out of a cure, to keep white mage relevant." We should be asking for adjustments to the class/job system... Find ways, like the sub job system, to keep jobs like blm from ever having a way to compete with whm for main healer. The Armoury System is the problem here. It's too hard to balance with it's current design.

Anyway, my point is....the recent update to the Armoury System wasn't good enough. They need to implement some sort of Armoury/Sub-job System hybrid.

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I hate to call you out but how can a smn/whm replace a whm but not a blm/whm could not and yet they have the same tools. lulz

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Originally Posted by tachi

I wish I could wipe my DOM/DOW to lvl 1 and start over for 2.0, however the DOH/DOL would cause me and i'm sure others to commit suicide if we had those wiped. Honestly lvl'ing a class/job right now is so fast, I wish I could experience the content at each of the job quest rank fights lvl capped. It feels like they put so much nice work into the job quests yet its just a pushover and an anima pinch at rank 50.

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You can now view all the CS of all the job quests contents including main scenario quests, dol, doh, dow/dom quest inside the inn...this was a great way for me to re-read and watch the CS for all the jobquests cs i missed because i spammed skipped all of them..

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Originally Posted by Tsleuer

why can’t that have 4 basic jobs rogue, warrior, mage, cleric that then branch off into different directions

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Just 4 classes? Not just no, but HELL NO! Final Fantasy games are known for their diverse range of playable classes, this game continues that tradition and rightfully so.

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Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee

@op

No thanks. I earned my 50s and have been playing this game as a dedicated member since September 21st 2010.

I don't respect anyone who considers petitioning for my hard earned achievements and lvls to be just simply erased. Those are hours and days of my life i can never get back simply because some newb was jealous that some of us actually gave this fail game a chance and persevered in the face of adversity.

We veterans earned our place to have all 50s.

Even asking to take that away is beyond ridiculous.

The sheer sufferance and invested time/exp/gil/achievements we poured into this game alone is numerically greater than the number of days you have been alive much less the tiny amount of consideration you put into your OP.

Not at all possible i would support any such thing. Theres no justification other than jealousy. No matter which way you spin your opinion, it is horribly flawed and inappropriate.

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I am one of the few players that sticked it out with SE and FFXIV since Sept 2010 and I completely agree with your statement..we are the ones that took a huge gamble in this game and got very little reward from SE (gobboue mount)...if anything we should be posterized all over lodestone to show that few of us actually believed in SE and in FFXIV and be somehow recognized for it...I wouldn't mind seeing my character's name on lodestone (in a stone tablet format) after the 7th umbral era destroyed Eorzea and be noted as one of the HEROES THAT PERSEVERED THE HARDSHIPS IN EORZEA. That would definitely mean alot to me...

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Originally Posted by avalonstormm

I am one of the few players that sticked it out with SE and FFXIV since Sept 2010 and I completely agree with your statement..we are the ones that took a huge gamble in this game and got very little reward from SE (gobboue mount)...if anything we should be posterized all over lodestone to show that few of us actually believed in SE and in FFXIV and be somehow recognized for it...I wouldn't mind seeing my character's name on lodestone (in a stone tablet format) after the 7th umbral era destroyed Eorzea and be noted as one of the HEROES THAT PERSEVERED THE HARDSHIPS IN EORZEA. That would definitely mean alot to me...

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100% Agreed. We are Veterans. Onion Helms 4 Ever!

I like that lodestone idea :3

I also think we need our own achievement: Veteran of Eorzea
Or something to that effect.

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Originally Posted by avalonstormm

I am one of the few players that sticked it out with SE and FFXIV since Sept 2010 and I completely agree with your statement..we are the ones that took a huge gamble in this game and got very little reward from SE (gobboue mount)...if anything we should be posterized all over lodestone to show that few of us actually believed in SE and in FFXIV and be somehow recognized for it...I wouldn't mind seeing my character's name on lodestone (in a stone tablet format) after the 7th umbral era destroyed Eorzea and be noted as one of the HEROES THAT PERSEVERED THE HARDSHIPS IN EORZEA. That would definitely mean alot to me...

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Agreed! What I think would be nice, is if SE sent us a personalized stone tablet or charm thing, similar to this. Maybe with a unique code that allows unlocking new, rare, or exclusive content in future patches. Like - a different color chocobos, or freaking laser beams on top of our goobbues.

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Originally Posted by Firon

I hate to call you out but how can a smn/whm replace a whm but not a blm/whm could not and yet they have the same tools. lulz

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I wasn't aware that BLMs had Carbuncle and Leviathan O_O

When did this happen...why wasn't I informed?! :P



Just realized what you were getting at lol...

In case you were seriously making that argument...here's a breakdown:

Summoner was able to main heal with /WHM **because** of Levi and Carb; with those 3 aids (sub job, and the 2 avatars), they became an effective main heal. BLM/WHM was ok for back-up, but it could never in act as main heal, nor could bard, paladin, or any other ridiculous combination.

The point is that there are exceptions to every rule. Just because ONE or TWO classes/jobs are able to exploit a system doesn't mean you abandon it entirely. Ninja and Summoner were a couple of the exceptions in XI. Aside from them, not many other jobs replaced unintended roles. This nonsense about a BLM not being able to cure at all is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Just 4 classes? Not just no, but HELL NO! Final Fantasy games are known for their diverse range of playable classes, this game continues that tradition and rightfully so.

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I was talking as like a tree or a base classes then branching out sorry if it sounded like i only wanted 4 classes and that's it. I have always love the ability to change jobs, and i still think its brilliant being able to change whenever.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

sooo... im guessing you dont actually play the game...

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I have been playing since it came out and have seen it up and down lvled some jobs stopped sometime after December 2010 and came back in august 2011 after some of the other battle bugs were worked out.

Yay another entitlement laden thread. Vomit. Who cares if you stuck it out?? Doesn't make you special or anything...but if you want to feel special there are achievements only one can get and items in this current era. And you get to experience the end of things and the the beginnings of things...Wait till E3...

And clearly another post where the player never actually really played the game...read the release notes...or understood the new features.

FYI there are upper limit caps to stats gained by materia. And 5 materia to an item unless you'd been farming a long time for mats and SBing could cost several hundred million to achieve. I've spent over 100 million and yet to get a 4 meld materia. And also you are wrong there is no cap on number of melds...5 isn't the limit you can do more...

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Originally Posted by Tsleuer

I was talking as like a tree or a base classes then branching out sorry if it sounded like i only wanted 4 classes and that's it. I have always love the ability to change jobs, and i still think its brilliant being able to change whenever.

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I still don't like the idea unless the 'skill tree' is not at all permanent. In which case, we would ultimately have exactly what we have now with only 4 different names for classes, which would be lame.

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Originally Posted by Agoven

Yay another entitlement laden thread. Vomit. Who cares if you stuck it out?? Doesn't make you special or anything...but if you want to feel special there are achievements only one can get and items in this current era. And you get to experience the end of things and the the beginnings of things...Wait till E3...

And clearly another post where the player never actually really played the game...read the release notes...or understood the new features.

FYI there are upper limit caps to stats gained by materia. And 5 materia to an item unless you'd been farming a long time for mats and SBing could cost several hundred million to achieve. I've spent over 100 million and yet to get a 4 meld materia. And also you are wrong there is no cap on number of melds...5 isn't the limit you can do more...

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What's your problem with people being recognized for whst they do?

Jealousy us an ugly color lil bro :3

You're quick to denounce someone elses happiness. But I'm sure it's an entirely different deal when YOU are proud about something.

You're going to say I'm wrong, but only because it hurts to say I'm right.

Be peaceful lil dewd. Stop the uneeded animosity :D

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Originally Posted by avalonstormm

I am one of the few players that sticked it out with SE and FFXIV since Sept 2010 and I completely agree with your statement..we are the ones that took a huge gamble in this game and got very little reward from SE (gobboue mount)...if anything we should be posterized all over lodestone to show that few of us actually believed in SE and in FFXIV and be somehow recognized for it...I wouldn't mind seeing my character's name on lodestone (in a stone tablet format) after the 7th umbral era destroyed Eorzea and be noted as one of the HEROES THAT PERSEVERED THE HARDSHIPS IN EORZEA. That would definitely mean alot to me...

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I want a memorial statue with our names in every city ^^

Not defending OP as I don't agree with him (But I respect his opinion) but it is a bit extreme to call people jealous (I notice in other threads too if anyone disagrees they are apparently "jealous"? Ok....)...over a vidya game lol. If they are indeed jealous that is odd...there is nothing to be jealous over. This game is currently easy mode.

I don't want my character wiped and SE already said they aren't doing it.

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Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo

I wasn't aware that BLMs had Carbuncle and Leviathan O_O

When did this happen...why wasn't I informed?! :P



Just realized what you were getting at lol...

In case you were seriously making that argument...here's a breakdown:

Summoner was able to main heal with /WHM **because** of Levi and Carb; with those 3 aids (sub job, and the 2 avatars), they became an effective main heal. BLM/WHM was ok for back-up, but it could never in act as main heal, nor could bard, paladin, or any other ridiculous combination.

The point is that there are exceptions to every rule. Just because ONE or TWO classes/jobs are able to exploit a system doesn't mean you abandon it entirely. Ninja and Summoner were a couple of the exceptions in XI. Aside from them, not many other jobs replaced unintended roles. This nonsense about a BLM not being able to cure at all is ridiculous.

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No i had smn lvled and in real fight you don't have time to smn carby to heal ppl. Cure III worked just fine and it cost less mp than Healing ruby or spring water and took less time to use anyone who has healed on smn knows Cure III > BP's

Edit btw i once main healed on pld/whm it was quite effective lol.

i just want to get wiped while i really don't want get wiped.

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Originally Posted by Firon

No i had smn lvled and in real fight you don't have time to smn carby to heal ppl. Cure III worked just fine and it cost less mp than Healing ruby or spring water and took less time to use anyone who has healed on smn knows Cure III > BP's

Edit btw i once main healed on pld/whm it was quite effective lol.

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lol....PLD/WHM my a$$. If you main healed as pld/whm, then you were in a pretty shitty party. Back when ppl were roaming in Caevdemire or w/e, you could pull it off w/ a smn main heal and still do really well. And I wasn't talking about SMN/WHM *relying on the BPs. They just helped for back up cures that wouldn't pull hate onto main healer, as with a whm. A BLM/WHM could NOT cut it, and wouldn't even be considered. A PLD/WHM sure as hell wouldn't cut it. So, I dunno what you're talking about.

I can't believe you're actually making me break down the argument to include every trivial detail. Either you don't know what you're talking about, never played in a serious party, or simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that the jobs/job restrictions, introduced in the 1.21 patch, were poorly contrived.

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Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee

What's your problem with people being recognized for whst they do?

Jealousy us an ugly color lil bro :3

You're quick to denounce someone elses happiness. But I'm sure it's an entirely different deal when YOU are proud about something.

You're going to say I'm wrong, but only because it hurts to say I'm right.

Be peaceful lil dewd. Stop the uneeded animosity :D

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I have no problem with people being recognized for their accomplishments...that's why we have lodestone, hero of the day, in-game achievements, and also titles in 2.0 visible among a zillion another things. You forgot many of the current achievements once 2.0 hits will no longer be available and are unique to the current player base. The mounts...potential many weapons like current primal fights.

What I do have a problem is with people who think they deserve something beyond what they are given. The OMG I am the bomb give me or else wah wah wah...

You think you deserve something because you are now suddenly paying for a game. Yet you pay for the game because you want to play. It's SE's job to hold your interest etc etc. Their whole objective is to make money overall...whether it be in the short or long term...

JEALOUS? Did you even read my post? I was more or less saying you whiny little brats need some discipline...if this is what you're being taught these days and how you live...a matter of value and morality...what have you.

And ooh you've stuck it out...so has pretty much everyone in these forums.

IT'S A GAME!!! OH MY GOSH REALLY? THERE'S LIFE OUTSIDE OF FFXIV!!! SO SHOCKING.

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Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo

Summoner was able to main heal with /WHM **because** of Levi and Carb; with those 3 aids (sub job, and the 2 avatars), they became an effective main heal. BLM/WHM was ok for back-up, but it could never in act as main heal, nor could bard, paladin, or any other ridiculous combination.

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I regularly main healed as a DNC/NIN, go out pull and gain TP then main heal away. People said it couldn't be done, and with my never ending flow of TP (which came from pulling/fighting) I proved them wrong.

Don't underestimate those 'ridiculous combinations', sometimes they can do amazing things. :)