Kill or Fix Crossworld Visiting Please before this game becomes WOW

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Originally Posted by Sanctify

It absolutely is important if you're trying to be halfway decent in any content that matters. How so, for as far as pugs go? Wouldn't it make sense to know who the weakest link is (if your constantly being held back or enraging) and back out and say "gonna reform". You don't even gotta give a reason or risk precious feelings getting hurt that way.

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PuGs are a you get what you get thing You can always tell who the weakest links are just by taking a glance at the overall screen. You can also help improve the weakest link by explaining where you're watching them falter at. They can improve everyone can improve even the greatest players can improve however they cant improve if they don't have practice.

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Originally Posted by GoofyBoots

Then they need to make a Datacenter Marketboard

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They looked into this and determined it was not realistic from a development standpoint. Their workaround was World Visit.

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Originally Posted by GoofyBoots

we should have to watch Discord to get Hunt notifications.

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We are getting 8 cross-world linkshells in 5.0. Discords are a temporary solution until then really.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

4: Not sure how we can fix that. Tried turning down your settings (if possible)?

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I was able to load hunts on a very low-end laptop by turning object loading to maximum. There is a hard limit but making sure it's set to maximum is a start.

I didn't read every post but how about making world visit cost gil? It'll stop market board hopping and make you think twice if it's worth the cost. Personally i'd slap a 24h cooldown period on it where you can only use it once back and forth each day.

yes, it certainly made hunting a lot worse by allowing toxic server people to invade nice servers, they don't even report hunt kills anywhere so people end up wsting a lot more time trying to find hunts.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

They looked into this and determined it was not realistic from a development standpoint. Their workaround was World Visit.

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Then they should not have implemented it.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

We are getting 8 cross-world linkshells in 5.0. Discords are a temporary solution until then really.

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Yes this may help with announcements if the people hunting even bother to announce the hunt.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I was able to load hunts on a very low-end laptop by turning object loading to maximum. There is a hard limit but making sure it's set to maximum is a start.

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I only have problems once in awhile, but I know several people who have stopped doing hunts for the most part because there PS4 and lower end machines will not load the Mark being killed - its about rendering priority for the most part.

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Originally Posted by GoofyBoots

Thank you for validating my points - this may have been a problem on your server but not on mine - I mean once in a blue moon we would get this stuff but rarely. Now other servers problem players are everyone's.

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What can I say? Welcome to the real world of MMOs.

I'm sorry you feel your utopia has been pillaged, but the world visit system has brought more benefit than detriment by a large margin.

Aside from the occasional 'Crystal Duty Finder Fiasco', as I've dubbed them, no. Crossworld Visiting is possibly the best thing that's happened to this game in a long time.

There's also the simple fact that SE will not remove or change it.

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Originally Posted by Videra

Aside from the occasional 'Crystal Duty Finder Fiasco', as I've dubbed them, no. Crossworld Visiting is possibly the best thing that's happened to this game in a long time.

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I mean we all knew Crystal DC was going to be a dumpster fire so that's par for the course.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I mean we all knew Crystal DC was going to be a dumpster fire so that's par for the course.

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Thirty minute long dungeons where you're the only one doing anything vaguely resembling actual DPS suck.

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Originally Posted by Videra

Thirty minute long dungeons where you're the only one doing anything vaguely resembling actual DPS suck.

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Are transfers still free? Maybe it's not too late to join Aether or Primal.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

PuGs are a you get what you get thing You can always tell who the weakest links are just by taking a glance at the overall screen. You can also help improve the weakest link by explaining where you're watching them falter at. They can improve everyone can improve even the greatest players can improve however they cant improve if they don't have practice.

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I see your response and I raise you this; Why would a pug -insert role here- join a farm party if they need improvement? That's what learning parties are for. No need to waste other people's time by sucking.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

They won't remove it, or change it.

For cerberus, at least for myself, using the marketboard to sell things has come to a full stop. What previously netted me 200k-300k every couple of days for a couple of hours work, now gets me less than 70k for the same amount of work. Hard to get materials that previously sold for 100k at least, now tend to be found at 40k or less.

Personally, I'm not bothering to sell anything anymore, why bother if the amount of work I put in isn't properly rewarded? Less than 70k for a couple hours of work isn't rewarding, it's insulting.

I have enough gil that I don't need anymore of it, and I won't need anymore for quite some time. I'm just off the market when it comes to providing the raw materials, which I used to provide quite a lot of.

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This is called capatilism, your got priced out and think your services are worth more than the market is willing to pay. Your loss someone elses gain. Your old money now and carry that old money mentality. EDIT: you also no longer have a monopoly and refuse to adapt to the new markets, you have become a modern Vanderbilt.

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Originally Posted by GoofyBoots

-And there it is typical WOW Mentality player surfaces within minutes of the post -thank you for providing the needed example.

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And there is the typical using WoW as the boogey man post. Now all we need is "This is some HQ bait" post, and we would have the full set!

I have played a bit of WoW, due to the better PvP there, but I have played years more FF14, and I'd say that excluding trade chat, WoW is actually pretty chill and not all that toxic.
If you play on the Oceanic servers like I do, even Trade Chat isn't that bad at all, as there is a lot less stuff about politics in there.

But I really am getting sick of people using WoW as the boogey man, or as a buzz word. You try to suggest better PvP modes? You get responses like "NO, more PvP is Liek WoW, WoW BAD, No PVP in FF14!" Players suggest an in-game parser? "NO WoW has people with parser add-ons, WoW is more toxic becoz parsers, no parsers in FF14!" What about Grand Company stuff being more meaningful? "NO, WoW has factions, Factions cause toxicity in WoW, NO Factions in FF14!"
WoW has become the default reason for people to disagree with stuff.

I was also worried about the marketboard stuff before it dropped, but I guess my server was actually one of the cheap ones, as a lot of stuff has gone up in price on my server, and more things are selling.

I will admit that hunts have gotten a bit worse though, people don't really wait for players to get there anymore.
It's gotten back to ARR and HW levels of EP's. It'll probably pass though, as those EPs get what they want, or get bored of hunts, as periods of EPs have passed in the past.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

And there is the typical using WoW as the boogey man post. Now all we need is "This is some HQ bait" post, and we would have the full set!

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You don't say...

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Crossworld is actually a large part of what killed WoW.
It broke up server communities and increased toxicity exponentially because people were no longer being held accountable for their actions.
Frankly, I'm surprised and disappointed that SE thought this was a good idea.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

And there is the typical using WoW as the boogey man post. Now all we need is "This is some HQ bait" post, and we would have the full set!

I have played a bit of WoW, due to the better PvP there, but I have played years more FF14, and I'd say that excluding trade chat, WoW is actually pretty chill and not all that toxic.

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I played WoW from Classic up to Legion.
It was the most toxic gaming community I've ever seen.
It's not even close.

only problem I have with it is when I log in and have a Queque on my server to get in and I have to wait 15 minutes cause the queque isn't dropping it flashes but the que isn't dropping.

I shouldn't have to wait to log in on my own server when the que's were very little sometimes but I didn't have to wait that long before.

granted its not always but when it happens when I want to play its just gets on my nerves.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

I played WoW from Classic up to Legion.
It was the most toxic gaming community I've ever seen.
It's not even close.

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From my personal experience, the feast before they removed the chat, ARR Titan HM before they fixed the latency (I was told to kill myself and uninstall the game back then, which nobody in WoW has ever told me), Rust, Overwatch, and even Runescape has been more toxic for me than WoW.
Honestly, what I have experienced in WoW is nothing compared to the Rust community. Part of the reason why I like Rust, it's unique in how toxic it is, I can only handle it in small amounts though.

i honestly cant agree with most people comparing markets/economies of different servers. why does it matter for people, for example, if a "fat cat" were to cost 100k on behemoth and a "fat cat" were to cost 1 million on cactuar? every server has its own economy, on behe you may sell it for much less, but maybe everything else costs less, so in the end its the same price (more or less). so why bother comparing it and talk about how ridiculous the prices are? after all the community on each server sets the prices.

also guys complaining about stuff not selling, please do consider that we are at the end of the expansion, lots of people are taking breaks and a lot of people simply don't want to spend gil atm, at the end of every expansion this happens.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

Crossworld is actually a large part of what killed WoW.
It broke up server communities and increased toxicity exponentially because people were no longer being held accountable for their actions.
Frankly, I'm surprised and disappointed that SE thought this was a good idea.

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Well some players want to be with friends on certain worlds, but those worlds are locked and won't accept transfers/new alts being made. We then have players that want to take advantage of Preferred status worlds but still want to be close to friends on other worlds on the same centre. So in situations like this the Cross World Visits become really appealing for new and old players alike when the greater social and grouping up aspect is taken in to consideration.

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Originally Posted by Maneesha

i honestly cant agree with most people comparing markets/economies of different servers. why does it matter for people, for example, if a "fat cat" were to cost 100k on behemoth and a "fat cat" were to cost 1 million on cactuar?

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Because that could be too cheap on behemoth and too much on cactuar. Yoshi-P wants it to not cost too much but not be too cheap. The few things I buy have reduced in price because of cross world and everything I sell is selling faster and for more. It's much better.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Because that could be too cheap on behemoth and too much on cactuar. Yoshi-P wants it to not cost too much but not be too cheap. The few things I buy have reduced in price because of cross world and everything I sell is selling faster and for more. It's much better.

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Maybe for you.
On my server, things you used to be able to make a profit on are now selling for less than it cost to make them.
Change for the sake of change, which is all this is, usually doesn't end well.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

Maybe for you.
On my server, things you used to be able to make a profit on are now selling for less than it cost to make them.
Change for the sake of change, which is all this is, usually doesn't end well.

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Why would someone sell stuff less than their cost? Economy 101, Price = Profit+Cost. (there are cases you'd go for -ve profit but this is not it)

If someone's selling less than that then you buy it and resell it at a higher price.

This honestly shows that those complaining about the market board prices don't know what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

Maybe for you.
On my server, things you used to be able to make a profit on are now selling for less than it cost to make them.

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They're probably being sold by people who got the mats for free, by gathering, handing in tomestones/tokens or maps. I gather all my own items, so I always make some kind of profit

It already IS WoW. Didn't you know? This is common knowledge.

I can't hunt, luckily the party I grouped up with must have very fast internet(JP players) so I managed to get the full credit eventhough I only able to land 1-2 hit/s. Hunt mark just dissapeared amoungst the hundreds of players, I had all battle effect turned off too.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Why would someone sell stuff less than their cost? Economy 101, Price = Profit+Cost. (there are cases you'd go for -ve profit but this is not it)

If someone's selling less than that then you buy it and resell it at a higher price.

This honestly shows that those complaining about the market board prices don't know what they're doing.

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Not directly relevant to FF14, but in Runescape most finished products have sold for less than the sum of the raw materials for a long time. This is because of power creep, changing playerbase culture/priorities, and oversaturation of lower level crafted items as monster drops in PvE makes the XP potential of the raw materials more valuable than the resulting product.

That last bit, as others have pointed out, COULD be relevant to FF14, because raw material obtained for free may cause a player who crafts them to devalue the resultant crafted item.

Wild market swings like those caused by the introduction of cross-world can also cause this, if say the price for the finished product has stabilized across worlds, but the raw resources haven't yet. Though that should sort itself out in time.

Overall I support X-world balancing the economies. Reminds me of how when OSRS came out, people rapidly realized that having to scream in banks to sell items, and having the price vary bank to bank, world to world, wasn't as fun once the nostalgia goggles were off. The Grand Exchange was one of the first things from the main game to be reintroduced into the reboot, along with a few other things like GWD.

FFS, I'm getting tired of WoW being pointed out as the big bad Boogeyman.

It's as bad as the Millennial hate I keep seeing - and I'm not even in that generation.

Before long, we're gonna start seeing "Make FFXIV Great Again" hats.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Apparently a group of friends aren't allowed to come across a hunt randomly and kill it these days, as they "belong to the community".

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I learned this the hard way. Back when I was still a new player, I didn't even know what hunts were and I came across and A rank which I was able to solo. Did I suddenly got a big chewing out from a lot of different players. Some went as far to say I should uninstall and stop playing, another even said that I was a blight.




Now many years later I'm part of several hunt LS's. In all this time I've never pulled and always wait with the pack for people to arrive. There's been several cases were people early pulled or even killed it before the majority arrived.

There's always a big backlash in /shout and many people angry and annoyed.
Sure it's a bit annoying but I'm just like 'oh well, up to the next one'.


But we definitely have the best community in this game!

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Why would someone sell stuff less than their cost? Economy 101, Price = Profit+Cost. (there are cases you'd go for -ve profit but this is not it)

If someone's selling less than that then you buy it and resell it at a higher price.

This honestly shows that those complaining about the market board prices don't know what they're doing.

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This.

I make my gil on Hyperion selling Silver and Mythril Ore - I mine for an hour and toss 3-4 99 stacks on the market.

The prices fluctuate, but normalize (usually) between 300-600 per usually closer to the former.

Yesterday I wasn't selling - Someone was dropping them for 200 - So what did I do? Bought the 200 stacks to resell at a markup - I still make a 100 per profit... That's just how business works.

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Originally Posted by GoofyBoots

1. Stop Markerboard access/Trading for Wanders.
2. Put a five-minute timer on S Rank Spawns before they can be damaged/Killed.
3. Fix rendering lag/priority on Hunt Marks.
4. Give Home server players logging on/transferring too priority over wanders.

Just my two cents …

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1. - No, this has completely opened the market and made it possible to find items that are not being made on my server.
While I know I have lost money I have also saved a fortune. With all market shifts it will balance out.
2. - Its contested content leave it alone. Working as intended.
3. - They need to fix their code +5
4. - Wait times suck I completely agree +5

I didn't have a problem with cross-world in WoW for one reason:

Server communities were already dead at that point.

FFXIV still has server communities. But "features" like cross-world kill that. I would love to see cross-world removed, but I know it won't be. Which will just open the door for more community killing "features".

I'll still play FFXIV, but my enjoyment is already lessened because I'm already seeing Siren's community degrading. And I'm not the only one, nor is ours the only server seeing it.

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Originally Posted by Naychan

1. - No, this has completely opened the market and made it possible to find items that are not being made on my server.
While I know I have lost money I have also saved a fortune. With all market shifts it will balance out.
2. - Its contested content leave it alone. Working as intended.
3. - They need to fix their code +5
4. - Wait times suck I completely agree +5

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1 - Make the items that are missing on your server. 100% profit.
2 - Contested content is a cop out.

Stop defending bad design

TBecause if greed of some sellers this was implemented, i am happy it did, now i have the choice to check for cheaper prices, manipulating the market board prices was way too exaggerated, so SE thinks.

1. Is false.
Most people aren't searching different worlds for the cheapest price, unless the item they want is markedly overpriced on their server.
They can find it for a more reasonable price on another, preventing price inflation and monopolising.
This is the world visit system succeeding at its job.

2. Is also false. Servers are too big to have their own "community", thats what FCs and linkshells provide.
What you're describing is a clique that has claimed Limsa as their personal chat room.

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Originally Posted by GoofyBoots

1. Stop Markerboard access/Trading for Wanders.
2. Put a five-minute timer on S Rank Spawns before they can be damaged/Killed.
3. Fix rendering lag/priority on Hunt Marks.
4. Give Home server players logging on/transferring too priority over wanders

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1. You can not only sell stuff at any server without any problem, but at cut-throat prices also. Its all about knowing what to sell and when.

2. Nope, if someone want the mark so badly no-one stopping him to camp it.
Also people who solo/don't announce spawns or share it with a chosen few are not at fault, being notified about a spawn that you didn't camp is a privilege not a right.
(Same goes for those who get kicked from raids for being dead weight.)

I've never seen such a whiney and entitled community before.

3. Hopefully they'll optimize the game better for weak systems sometime in the future. (Wouldn't hold my breath personally.)
Though again personally i wish that they finally offered an HD texture pack.

4. Agree about logging players, don't see a reason for prioritizing tranfer back to home tho since noone forced the said player to visit another world in the first place.

to me the biggest flaw is that i have to log in to my homeworld to use it. would be better to use it from character screen.

last week i tried to log in to Ragnarok but got block by 4800 ppl infront of me in the queue. on the other hand i could easily log in with my alt to louisoix.
now imagine i could have logged in there with my main.

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Originally Posted by CazzT

1 - Make the items that are missing on your server. 100% profit.
2 - Contested content is a cop out.

Stop defending bad design

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If I had the playtime I would but thanks anyways.
Contested content is a design just because you don’t like it does not make it bad.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

2. Is also false. Servers are too big to have their own "community", thats what FCs and linkshells provide.
What you're describing is a clique that has claimed Limsa as their personal chat room.

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It's not false, though. Server communities are very much a thing. Size has nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Naychan

Contested content is a design just because you don’t like it does not make it bad.

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It has nothing to do with liking or disliking something. I like contested content. But using this as an excuse for bad design is still a cop out. Don't assume someone does or does not like something because they see BS for what it is.

Crossworld is awesome. I see little on the downside for it. Would be nice if we could marry cross server and get our mail and possibly even join a FC but other than that I'm very happy with it.

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Originally Posted by CazzT

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking something. I like contested content. But using this as an excuse for bad design is still a cop out. Don't assume someone does or does not like something because they see BS for what it is.

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Then how is it bad design? They are hunt mobs open to the public first come fiery serve to those that can kill it. I fail to see the issue but I’m more then willing to hear your point of view on it.