I basically never have my headgear displayed anyway. I hate when it hides all my hair under it or I have to go choose another style I don’t like as much. Also (my actual main is a miqote) I hate hate hate when headgear hides my ears since the ears are one of the main things that make the race for me. For me, no footwear would mess me up way more. Not planning on playing either of the races though, but it’s a shame there are even more limitations on them in addition to gender lock.
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03-24-2019, 09:10 AMTempest222
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03-24-2019, 09:18 AMAristotle
I thought this was obvious?
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03-24-2019, 09:35 AM-Teria-As someone who plays...Everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri
Thematically a number of classes just look wrong without certain head coverings.
Like, I will never play NIN without some kind of face covering for longer than it takes me to glamour a new headslot after getting it, and I flat out won't play Viera if I can't at least get my AF3 on them.
I also refuse to live in a world where Bards, Red Mages, and Black Mages don't wear pimpin' hats at all times. At least not *My* Bard, Red Mage, and or Black Mage. -
03-24-2019, 09:38 AMAyer2015
I was sad when I found out I couldn't make a male Viera. Then I was like... you know what, a white fur Hrothgar with a moogle helm would be cool as a dancer. Now I can't even do that. I come to terms with not getting something that should have been added only to find out the consolation race isn't even fully completed.
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03-24-2019, 10:10 AMValdima
I mean, I kinda get it with veira? With the ears I can see headwear being difficult/uncomfortable. I don't even get how -I- put on some helmets. Some it shouldn't even be physically possible for me to wear. With the chaos set theres no god damn excuse either. the npc that wears it is also an au ra!
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7864/...60c395bb_b.jpg
EXPLAIN! I am confusion!
But anyway, I don't get it for hrothgar though. arn't they just really big nordlike hyurians? at least thats what google shows when I look them up. -
03-24-2019, 12:05 PMRoda
Square enix this is embarrassing now....
You're a 1 billion dollar company running a franchise that has been a staple in its genre for over thirty years. How in the everloving hells do you guys not know how scope works???
If you can't finish a feature of a product, or implement it in a way that matches the quality of the other features of the product, DON'T PROMISE OR INCLUDE THE BAD/UNFINISHED FEATURE.
"We want Viera/more beastly playable races!"
"Sorry our current tech won't allow our headgear to work with those types of races / we think one whole half of one of those races is too icky to even think about so you'll have to get things similar to what we've already produced"
It's a bad look sure, but not nearly as bad as whatever is happening right now. -
03-24-2019, 12:07 PMMoofiaBossVal
No helmets on Hrothgar seems fine to me. Helmets look terrible on Tauren/Worgen and Charr 95% of time. In WoW, the only helmet pieces worth showing on your Tauren/Worgen were hoods, or the Charr cultural helmets. Besides, one of the primary appeals of a beast race is seeing your beastial face.
Not too sure why Viera can't wear helms though; why not just allow the places to toggle whether or not their ears pop through the helmet? -
03-24-2019, 12:08 PMguardinlimited jobs are a godsend..limited races is a spawn from satan and a middle finger to men everywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Atticon
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03-24-2019, 12:10 PMAnarneeOr... You know they could have made the ears just clip through like they did with the Au ra.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElazulHP
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03-24-2019, 12:41 PMWhiteArchmage
I mean, one of the main points that they had against Viera was redesigning all footgear, and now it seems they have regular feet and the only high heels are their RS gear, and now they're having trouble reshaping head gear? now, Hrothgar I understand, but Viera as well?
Especially see no problems with ear holes for stuff like Ninja hoods (Already exist in TA/2), Red Mage's Hat (same), or circlets (although those may be covered by the headgear they can actually use)...or glasses...
Heavens, I even made a very crappy Male Viera Red Mage way back before Stormblood and had ear hole for the hat (hope Spoiler tag works)
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03-24-2019, 02:43 PMlinayOr they could just not have any gear shown. Both clipped and hidden ears look silly. The more animal/nonhuman feature they have, the less of a need to confine them to human gearing aesthetics when it doesn't really work with their anatomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarnee
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03-24-2019, 03:12 PMZero-ELECI mean, if Viera looked like Viera and had their weird feet and hands, we'd be able to tell but they also removed that so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Quote:
Originally Posted by ElazulHP
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03-24-2019, 03:40 PMJunseiKeiConsidering they said they have unique facial customizations and previous panels / live letters had them saying they didn't want to add in races like Viera and Hrothgar (or Lupin) because these would require unique gear pieces on top of all of the other work required when making new gear. It seems like this is the compromise they settled on for allowing a more bestial race as a playable character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticon
Now take that gear and render it in 3D. Make sure the mesh matches every race perfectly and there are no seams for any animations on all classes. Oh, since we've now added Viera and Hrothgar, create additional feet and head pieces just for these two races. For every class and animation. No seams as well. Also, get it done in the same amount of time as every other content cycle, despite having increased classes and races. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage
It's not about the work for one or two races on one or two jobs. It's about the entire workload and the amount of time allotted to get it done.
This is probably in part why the character designer was brought to the EU FanFest to actually explain the process. Did people not pay attention to it? If that is what you think, the only logical answer I can sincerely come up with is no. -
03-24-2019, 04:31 PMNessaWyvern
Apparently they can't wear glasses either. As a 4 eyes irl I feel descriminated against. (I'm kidding ofcourse, but glasses would be nice)
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03-24-2019, 04:33 PMBrutalisticaLook on the bright side it won't be hair clipped like on Tauren and Worgen on WoW. I suppose in time they can try to work around it and patch it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticon
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03-24-2019, 05:41 PMAnarneeIf I want a fully armoured viera, that should be my right as the player. If it looks silly to you, you can just turn it off, that shouldn't limit everyone elses options. Whatever aesthetics you think they should have shouldn't matter for my character.Quote:
Originally Posted by linay
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03-24-2019, 05:56 PMNyxn607
People actually care about the helmet looks? I think I have 1 glamour that shows the helmet lol.
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03-24-2019, 06:01 PMKuroka
But gotta admit, they made a meme real.
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03-24-2019, 06:06 PMArkdraYou joke but this news killed any chance I was going to fantasia to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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03-24-2019, 06:07 PMhozour
Not being able to wear glasses and similar headgear is probably the worst part of this even if it is temporary. I mean we have no idea when they would even get around to allowing them? 5.1? 5.4? This is pretty annoying to find out on top of the other things, with it hitting Viera equally as hard as Hrothgar being the real head scratcher. I guess because of their face and long ear clipping or something?
Though now not only were the people hoping for the other gender dissapointed but those that get their race are forfeiting many headpiece glamour options for an unknown amount of time as well... -
03-24-2019, 06:13 PMzaverxi
Clearly what needs to be done now is the PC modders need to go to work making mods for every single piece of headgear and send the specs in to Squeenix. If everyone does the work for them they\\'ll put it in right?
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03-24-2019, 06:21 PMCausality
So what about Tincans Like Heavy Mythril Armor and Robes like Darklight or Vermillion? Or even the full body piece like the Odin set from Mor'dhona? How will these work on Viera and Hrothgar? :3
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03-24-2019, 06:23 PMtdb
I don't feel like a bunny myself, but I can see how this is disappointing. Miqo'te have special shapes for helmets with protruding ear lobes, so it would make sense for the Viera to have something similar. Probably not fully covered ears due to their size, but some kind of ear holes would make sense. Let's hope they make the necessary modifications in the future.
On the other hand I'm very conscious about my looks, including issues caused by game engine limitations. Coat with a hood that clips with my hair? Can't use it. Mount clips with my skirt? Unacceptable. Flaps that behave in silly ways when my character kneels or sits? Nope. I might make a Viera retainer but won't make her wear anything that clips her ears either.
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03-24-2019, 06:24 PMDuskane[sorry this item can not be equipped with this race]Quote:
Originally Posted by Causality
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03-24-2019, 06:25 PMRhus
If I was to change it wouldn't bother me anyway. I seldom show a head piece anyway, it's always hidden unless it's something like daisy corsage etc. Not a fan of covering my characters face, especially when. Doing story. Feels really disconnected
Though I do wonder how it will work when levelling etc and when using time gear at end game. If I go to a dungeon now with a level 60 headpiece as it was my AF gear and it's Dona castle you can bet I'll appear in te Duty Finder Horror thread here lol
With these races they probably now won't have any head gear between 60 and 70 unless they allow the like of shisui and other non helmed headsets but yea...could it leave a big gap in your ilvl and stats as a result? -
03-24-2019, 06:27 PMAcornFox
I am ok with this, as long as they get some armor in the future. From a in world point, it makes sense for more specialized needs to be more difficult to get. So they may just used to not having easy access to hats. But with more special items on the market just for them :D
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03-24-2019, 06:35 PMtdbNot sure what you mean here? You can still equip head gear as Viera or Hrothgar and get all the stats from it, it will just be invisible. Are you suggesting that because the head piece is not visible players will forget or ignore it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhus
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03-24-2019, 06:38 PMRhusNo I was under the impression that barring a few select pieces (probably AF ear) we wouldn't be able to equip any head piece. Didn't know it could be equipped but just not visibleQuote:
Originally Posted by tdb
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03-24-2019, 08:18 PMAtticon
We really need better clarification on this than a vague line on a slide saying "unique heads" and needing to sort through vague and badly translated interviews.
For all we know the next logical conclusion is all previous hairstyles being locked and Viera and Hrothgar only able to use their own unique hairstyles. -
03-24-2019, 08:28 PMJunseiKeiAs in the face is not just a larger or smaller Hyur-based face with additional appendages such as Miqo'te ears, Au Ra's horns, or Elezen's knife-ears. That the faces fit within an allotted size frame that allow gear to be easily up-scaled or down-scaled with no real additional work. Hrothgar's muzzle looks to stick out longer than the other PC races. Viera's faces look to be more vertical than the other races, as well as a semi-muzzle; their foreheads look farther back compared to their nose, lips and chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticon
Kind of like this:
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03-24-2019, 08:38 PMTharneFor Hrothgar, the Visor system would probably be a nightmare to get right, I can understand why they don't want to lose time butting their heads against a wall if there are other priorities to design and animate.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunseiKei
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03-24-2019, 08:56 PMKaedanThen it wouldn't really be much of a helmet now, would it? If your giant ears are sticking out the top, they make for an easy target. Thus the helmet wouldn't be useful at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burningskull
Seriously, Yoshida explained it. The heads are unique, and have more options than other races in exchange for not being able to see helmets equipped. Hats will still be seen, just clipped through. -
03-25-2019, 01:52 AMIscahI don’t think they get more options than other races, just options that aren’t available to other races because they aren’t constrained by needing to fit into helmets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
That’s how I understood it anyway, particularly as I can’t imagine how they could actually give additional options to one race when the character creator is so rigid. -
03-25-2019, 02:10 AMBongaboiAll about building traffic. Make you own popped millioncorn; not sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomMiqote
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03-25-2019, 02:40 AMAlaina
as long as Glasses aren't on that no show list i'll be fine...
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03-25-2019, 02:45 AMLissandra
Meh, this doesn't really bother me.
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03-25-2019, 03:15 AMAtticonThey are, at least at launch, by Yoshida's words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaina
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03-25-2019, 03:40 AMAnyan
Why can't helmets and such have holes for the Viera ears? I'd be OK with that. In fact I prefer that for Miqos, or my Elezen ears instead of those darn ear socks. Aaand had they done male Viera, they could have used that same technique for their helmets, and thus saved a lot of time (if that's how it works).
But they did Roethgar instead. It seems, to me at least, like that have increased the work load. -
03-25-2019, 03:44 AMJiburiru
So what happens if you put on a caster robe that has a hood, or that ugly one-piece darklight tank armor?
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03-25-2019, 03:46 AMIscahA curse upon ear socks. :/ Especially for hoods. I don't understand why they can't just drape a little bit wider and cover the ears that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anyan