Need to address the Eureka in the room.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

So, you didn't feel a progression between hiding or hugging the walls each time you enter a new zone and killing mobs by pack for spawning NM when you reached capped level for that same zone ?

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No not really.

Primarily because I was incentivised to grind out levels in lower level zones until at a level where Aetherytes and Mounts become available in the next zone.

Since there's literally no draw to actually going into a new zone at minimum level to not be able to do basically anything, especially when the "Progression" is merely a matter of "Become a nublet again"

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Oh, and I don't know what zone you played in, but at no point an equal level mob hits you like a truck or take a million years to kill. But using real data would probably sound much less dramatic.

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Taking real data:

Playing as my WAR and doing level 20-21 enemies in Anemos at level 20: Takes about 1-1.5 minutes per kill (Basically, I have Inner Release up for every kill 1v1)

Also, having to also use Tank stance for self healing because taking so much damage.

With full 5 magia.

Okay, so maybe I try fighting some level 18 things as a level 20 SMN/RDM? Takes about a full trance/trance and a half or a full melee combo (Including generating the 80 both mana). Also, many mobs do burst damage that requires self healing/potion usage or you die 1v1. At a 2 level advantage.

Other zones, there's even less reason to actually fight things on level, because it's better to just go to Anemos and find a party for challenge logs. So it's merely the

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

You realize that's it's exactly a testament of your character's progression, the thing you claim does not exist ?

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It's not really progression if it's merely "Get back to where you were before you 'Progressed' in the first place".

Getting to level 70 I have progression in the fact that I gain better gear, more stats, more skills, traits. Even if I continue fighting on level enemies throughout that time. The progression isn't "Well, if you go back to Middle La Noscea you can beat up level 3 sheep!!!!!"

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

It's less about the content itself and more about the fact they definitely spent most of the budget for that piece of content, so I don't think it sacrifices "little" especially when there were rumors about SB having a budget of something like "30+ million dollars" for its development and yet I feel like it's less than HW - which pumped in so much stuff in comparison, even if they made the mistake called 3.0 last for over 6 months.

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The rumours were exactly that, rumours.

If I recall correctly the increased budget was supposedly confirmed in an obscure financial report that no one could ever actually link you to when asked.

Any extra money, if it did indeed exist, probably got spent on those server upgrades we got.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Primarily because I was incentivised to grind out levels in lower level zones until at a level where Aetherytes and Mounts become available in the next zone.

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Sorry, but that's the equivalent of complaining that you don't feel any progression if you reach lvl 70 by only doing lvl50/60 roulette. And considering the increased amount of XP gained by FATEs and normal mobs, you make the progress ridiculously longer than it has to be.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Since there's literally no draw to actually going into a new zone at minimum level to not be able to do basically anything, especially when the "Progression" is merely a matter of "Become a nublet again"

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At minimum level, yes, but at the appropriate level to unlock the first aetheryte is totally worth it.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Playing as my WAR and doing level 20-21 enemies in Anemos at level 20: Takes about 1-1.5 minutes per kill (Basically, I have Inner Release up for every kill 1v1)

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I'll check real data next time, but, as a Red Mage, I have no issue chaining lvl20 mobs with a 3/2 configuration (Damn, I want those last two magicites :'()

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Other zones, there's even less reason to actually fight things on level, because it's better to just go to Anemos and find a party for challenge logs.

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Well, not really. Mobs in higher zones gives much more Xp, and since you need to kill hundreds of them for a full challenge log (Sprites and undead can be tricky), finding a good spot in the highest zones makes you level up faster.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

It's not really progression if it's merely "Get back to where you were before you 'Progressed' in the first place".

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It's progression because you still have things to do in that zone once you're capped, and it also make your exploration smoother and smoother throughout all the leveling process, it's not an "on/off" situation.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

The progression isn't "Well, if you go back to Middle La Noscea you can beat up level 3 sheep!!!!!"

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It would be if those sheep could give you valuable items to obtain your endgame weapon. Exactly like you feel your character has improved when you can go back to build another Zeta and destrooy everything in your path compared to what you did during 2.x.

Eureka makes me feel weak whats the point of me leveling and getting stronger just to feel weak again?

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Eureka would be more fun if:

- It started with the way it was nerfed.
- If logograms weren't a pain to get, and expensive on the marketboard.
- If crystals were given out from Notorious Monsters regardless of level.
- If quest locations at the very least had no enemies around them. I don't mind wading through enemies to get to them. It just sucks to die mid quest.
- if each zone had unique music. I am sick of the same song again and again.
- If Pagos, and Pyros were different aesthetically. A fresh zone with a different aesthetic helps to mentally make things feel fresher.
- If there weren't over complicated means to get items. I.e. Optics Hat.
- If Elemental armor didn't require 50 logograms. I hate it. I just hate it. Not all of us want to craft for gil, or suffer through low rng.

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That is actually some good feedback and reasonable. I can at least somewhat agree on all points. Yeah I wish the lower half of pyros didn't look like pagos lol. Everyone was already tired of the snow theme after spending so many hours in the previous zone. Personally I'm also not a big fan of making maps be webs of narrow tunnels like pyros. It was a bit like 1.0 black shroud.

The way I imagined Eureka being before it was released was more of a twisted evil theme like World of Darkness. There would only be substantial enemies like acheron clones, centaur and ahriman. No little cute things like mice or yukinko since I don't feel that fits the vibe of a hellish endgame zone guarding powerful weapons.

Maybe there would always be some lesser NMs around, with mechanics, so the focus is more on meaningful battles than repetitious pulling packs of minor enemies. Solo players could still chain minor enemies but it forces a big mutation at every X amount farmed so you get mini boss fights like B rank hunts to break up repetition and payout crystals.

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That is actually some good feedback and reasonable. I can at least somewhat agree on all points. Yeah I wish the lower half of pyros didn't look like pagos lol.

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I think they could have utilized the bridges leading to differents zones (in lower half), and doing several levels of heighs (like you are at level 2, and you see a group a bridge below you).
They could have put an ascending/descending road (spiral) around a mountain too with secret entrance inside, etc.
In fact, play with the heigh like that would have given a totally different result.

Besides, this what we can reproach to Hydatos : no heigh at all (underwater not using too...).

Anemos and Pagos did that, and in my opinion, they have a better shape.

I’m begging ANYONE to show me one piece of content in this game that caused as many maintenances as Eureka has. That right there is why Eureka is garbage

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

I’m begging ANYONE to show me one piece of content in this game that caused as many maintenances as Eureka has. That right there is why Eureka is garbage

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How dare a new content with a different concept and different maps that actively has full instances require maintenance. What is this, Raubahn extreme?! /s

But in all seriousness, maintenance by no means is a correlation to how bad or good a content is. With that logic, we can say little ladies' day is one of the best contents ever made, since it required zero maintenance compared to savage content where they did have hot fix maintenances for some issues.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

I’m begging ANYONE to show me one piece of content in this game that caused as many maintenances as Eureka has. That right there is why Eureka is garbage

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T5 down for nearly a month overall with its maintenances so by your logic T5 is worst content ever made :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dragoon4life

I’ve never once held back my hated for all of Eureka. Something about it makes me turn the game off. Adding it to 5.0 will seriously hurt the game. With the exception of starlight, all of the holiday events were horrible and lacking. This is of course my opinion.

Do you think the game can survive more Eureka?

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So you hate Eureka, but say nothing about what it is you hate about it? Great way to start another Eureka thread. Instead you complain about holiday events.......? Not sure how they are connected, but interesting holiday events were always few and far between.

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Originally Posted by Jaggerjack

Eureka makes me feel weak whats the point of me leveling and getting stronger just to feel weak again?

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Happens every time you go into a new zone.
Happens every time you go into a new dungeon.
Happens every time you go into a new raid.
Happens every time there's a new expansion.
This is different how?

I enjoyed the experience.
If you take what they learned from The Diadem and we got Eureka.
Then you take what they've learned from Anemos and Pagos, and we got Pyros and Hydatos.

Literally every step has been an upgrade from the last in terms of fun factor.
Subjective, yes. But I wouldn't say this is an outlandish claim.

I'm looking forward to what will come in 5.0.

I like the idea of large-scale instances with stuff to do inside. Having everyone work together to make something happen can be fun. I think the second iteration of Diadem would have been more fondly remembered if doing FATEs in the zone worked towards popping the big boss encounter instead of it being totally random. Everyone just stood around until their timer ran out or something happened with the way it was implemented. The random chests with goodies inside were cool too, but they all spawned when the instance was created and when they were snatched up, that was pretty much it for the rest of the instance's lifespan.

I hope we don't see a complete recycle of the Eureka formula in 5.0. I think everyone is totally sick of it by now. But I think the idea of large-scale instances with an emphasis on everyone working together could be done again with a different spin that could still be fun.

SE is experimenting with their system, and sometimes it's not always successful. That's why each version of Eureka had different things going on in it. These are called birthing pains; and whatever SE is planning in 5.0 will have it's own good sides and bad sides too.

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Originally Posted by Rangar

SE is experimenting with their system, and sometimes it's not always successful. That's why each version of Eureka had different things going on in it. These are called birthing pains; and whatever SE is planning in 5.0 will have it's own good sides and bad sides too.

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Well after four zones of Eureka you would think they would have learned that bunnies are just not fun. This is probably the first and not last concept that quite literally kills any motivation for me to play this game outside of addiction. Bunnies have such horrendous RNG where you have to be lucky to get one first, then have the bunny survive long enough to get to its destination, then be lucky enough to get at gold chest then finally if all the stars align, lucky enough to get the mount/emote/hairstyle. Also bunnies are the first time where having more people help is detrimental to everyone due to the limit of bunnies that can be on the map. Never have I thought that if less people were around it would be more fun and anyone who has been in a bunny instance and gotten bunnies every time knows how fun that can get.

Eureka does have its pros with logorams being the best example but if there is anything that the devs can take from Eureka is that RNG =/= FUN.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

The 2. Dungeon we lost due to eureka, which we would have to run trillion times for genesis tomestones and be tossed away with the next expert dungeon. Something you'd run over and over again to cap. We lost so much. /s

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I'd rather run through the same dungeon a trillion times than touch Eureka again.

I do prefer dungeons over Eureka and Diadem, totally. Dungeons are my favorite content in the game, and losing them for content I'm not thrilled with is disappointing.

I applaud them for at least trying something new, I think a lot of the people complaining about losing a dungeon would also complain about the game being too "samey" if nothing had changed.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

I'd rather run through the same dungeon a trillion times than touch Eureka again.

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Be happy, that's probably still what you do every day during your roulettes

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Dungeons are my favorite content in the game, and losing them for content I'm not thrilled with is disappointing.

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How often do you actually run a specific dungeon instead of being randomly put in one you already did a thousand times ?

If they could make Eureka-style content something close to being fun and accessible, rather than choresome and frustrating, then I wouldn't resent SE taking development resources away from content that there's probably little chance I will ever really enjoy doing, short of being able to do it all with Squadrons/Trusts (e.g., dungeons, raids, & trials). But just like BLU, Eureka represents an alternative that initially sounded promising to me, but actually ended up being even less appealing than the mainline content the game has offered up to this point.

So far, the only one of these experiments in alternate progression that has really been a source of enjoyment for me has been the Deep Dungeons, and of those, I felt only PotD did a good job of catering to the hardcore AND the casual (like me) crowd. HoH on the other hand, gave the casuals 10 levels to do, an incomplete-feeling story, and locked the real substance behind either being skilled enough to solo the upper floors, or having friends one could rope into pre-formed parties. For that reason, I actually would prefer that SE probably devote more resources to Savage raids and Ex's, so that they could give the hardcore players/players who like to spend the majority of their time in the game in groups plenty to do. That way, they might stop trying to add hardcore components to content that would otherwise be perfectly accessible and enjoyable to a wider range of skill levels. There's nothing more frustrating than getting up to a certain point in a piece of content and then being told, essentially, "sorry, but the really good stuff is going to require that you be awesome/have enough time and/or connections to assemble a party." Admittedly, Eureka was pretty much "group or die" out of the gate, but when the concept was pitched to us old-school MMO-ers, I know that I thought it would be at least feasible (if slower) to solo grind through the content. I just wish that SE would clearly delineate hardcore and casual content in the same way that they do when it comes to normal vs. savage raids, etc.

What I want for them to do with their Eureka content in 5.0 is let it stand on its own feet. Don't tie relics to it. If it's such fantastic content, they won't need a gimmick to get people to go there. And if it can't stand on its own feet, then maybe that should be telling them something.

I personally hate the content. If I wanted to play EQ, I would be back playing EQ. It's been hard not to get my relic, but the only thing I could do is help affect their numbers by not participating.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What I want for them to do with their Eureka content in 5.0 is let it stand on its own feet. Don't tie relics to it. If it's such fantastic content, they won't need a gimmick to get people to go there. And if it can't stand on its own feet, then maybe that should be telling them something.

I personally hate the content. If I wanted to play EQ, I would be back playing EQ. It's been hard not to get my relic, but the only thing I could do is help affect their numbers by not participating.

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Basically with that argument you're saying that anything that gets tied to the relic can't stand on its own. whether it's running dungeons 100 times or doing Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Basically with that argument you're saying that anything that gets tied to the relic can't stand on its own. whether it's running dungeons 100 times or doing Eureka.

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The past relic steps had more variety. There may have been a step or two in each that always required fates or required a primal run, but there wasn't any one thing or instance that all progression was tied to. There are people who only do Eureka because SE put the relic McGuffin there. I want to see them remove the McGuffin and then see how it does. If the content is that amazing, they won't need to make it the only path to a highly desired item intended to be the pinnacle weapon for the casual playerbase. It's especially a slap in the face there because Eureka is about as anti-casual as you can get.

What is Eureka? I tried once and get lost inside, utterly confounded. If they added a 'must have' items inside, I would be extremely disappointed.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

The past relic steps had more variety. There may have been a step or two in each that always required fates or required a primal run, but there wasn't any one thing or instance that all progression was tied to. There are people who only do Eureka because SE put the relic McGuffin there. I want to see them remove the McGuffin and then see how it does. If the content is that amazing, they won't need to make it the only path to a highly desired item intended to be the pinnacle weapon for the casual playerbase. It's especially a slap in the face there because Eureka is about as anti-casual as you can get.

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They did mention it's not for casuals and they decided to put the relic there. Not because the relic is what will keep it alive, but becasue like FF3, Eureka is the place that you obtain the best weapons from. If it is true that the relic is what's keeping Eureka standing, then naturally you'd see less people doing it after a while. Anemos should be a barren land now with only the new players. Pagos would be flat out empty. Furthermore, the number of players actively doing Eureka should be far less than those doing the previous relics, which isn't the case despite the old style having more than 2 years of a lead over Eureka and yet in some regions Eureka had more participants. So for SE, that's an improvement to the previous style. They would naturally continue on it in 5.0 with another improvement and see how well it will compare to 4.0.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

They did mention it's not for casuals and they decided to put the relic there. Not because the relic is what will keep it alive, but becasue like FF3, Eureka is the place that you obtain the best weapons from.

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They aren't the best weapons. The best come from Savage and Ultimate. It makes no sense to put the casual endgame weapon in a zone that isn't intended for casuals.

I think disappointing that they tied for the progress on The Relic to logo grams set a reminder, whereas you need to unlock this mini logogram in order to further progress getting those logogram memes simple yes not easy though unless you want to spend time or spend a whole lot of gil. Of course shpuldnt be very easy it is a relic after all, with me I probably won't see a Eureka what Relic probably certainly not before shadowbringers drops. I'm probably better off going for the 405 alphascape weapon/armor.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

They aren't the best weapons. The best come from Savage and Ultimate. It makes no sense to put the casual endgame weapon in a zone that isn't intended for casuals.

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They are on equal level to the raid savage weapon in previous iterations (at the end of the expansion though). And lore wise they are described in each iteration as being the most powerful fabled weapons you can obtain, hence the purple background for them. Also, the current Eureka relics can easily surpass the raid weapons and ultimate weapons if you're lucky. Mine currently not only has better stats than my Omega weapon, it's better than an ultimate level weapon (with 5 extra substats lol).

Eureka: I hated it when it first came out ... I still hate Pagos, but the rest is actually enjoyable for me. I feel that if they change the rate of light gathering to something more tolerable and not require 31 lights for 1 part of the relic grind. If it is 31 lights for the entire relic from point A to point D, then that is ok (with other steps included of course). I would also change the way the rarer Mnemes drop. Instead of keeping them behind the lock box RNG.

Just finished pyros. Spent maybe playing 7 days over the course of 4 weeks. So far the majority of it is waiting for NM to spawn. Terrible design.

The maps look like someone went into map editor and spammed monsters in random spots. Like they clicked and held down the mouse button around the map.

You look at games like guild wars 2 and see how each cave is unique and has a purpose. You go into pyros lava mountain and it’s like someone just spammed enemies around. It’s all empty hallways of random monsters.

I think the devs attempted to do something new with diadem 2.0 where they had monsters fight each other.

Now that I think about it I don’t think anything they change will help Eureka because the games core combat is dull.

I hope they rework the combat in 5.0, but I don’t think that will happen.

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Originally Posted by ksuyen

What is Eureka? I tried once and get lost inside, utterly confounded. If they added a 'must have' items inside, I would be extremely disappointed.

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Basically you kill enemies and side spawn and turris monster fates those fates give Tomestones and lock boxes related to the Eureka instance that you're in, Lock boxes will contain a materia fireworks glamor gear and a small chance of Minions. The Bunny fates that people talk about can get you bronze silver or gold treasure chests that will contain memes for logograms materia and a small chance it for the gold ones of a mount along with glamor items and etc. Those fates also drop items that you need to get a relic weapon and to upgrade your relic weapons that can be obtained from Eureka. By completing the quests inside the instance you can get the story line behind the entire Eureka area. You also get upgraded gear to I believe as well. Must have items know it's got good items that are a little belief you stick it out and do the stuff but you can get must have just by doing Omega. That's pretty much it in a nutshell you might say.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If the content is that amazing, they won't need to make it the only path to a highly desired item intended to be the pinnacle weapon for the casual playerbase.

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Which the relic isn't and, apparently never was, when looking at the fraction of the playerbase who actually owns past relic. You mistake "non-raiders" for "casuals".
The "casual" weapon you're looking for is the tome weapon.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What I want for them to do with their Eureka content in 5.0 is let it stand on its own feet. Don't tie relics to it. If it's such fantastic content, they won't need a gimmick to get people to go there. And if it can't stand on its own feet, then maybe that should be telling them something.

I personally hate the content. If I wanted to play EQ, I would be back playing EQ. It's been hard not to get my relic, but the only thing I could do is help affect their numbers by not participating.

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If it was literally a prettified FF spin on EQ, I think that I would like it better. The big problem for me is that it's a poor version of EQ that doesn't even do overworld mob grinding right, given the forced grouping, necessity to do the choresome logs instead of just killing level-appropriate mobs, etc. To compare to the deep dungeons again, PotD was a fairly well-realised version of the content it was borrowing from, whereas Eureka is more akin to HoH in that it takes a solid, if outdated, concept and manages to completely foul it up. If not for the continued strength of the MSQ and the dungeons (which I don't like, but they are generally well put together) I would begin to harbour serious doubts about this dev team having lost its way, given how Eureka, BLU, HoH, and Squadrons have all turned out. I'm hoping that with 5.0 they manage to get back to releasing experiments that actually work. If they can't do that, then it probably would be better for them to just keep pumping out more of the same.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Which the relic isn't and, apparently never was, when looking at the fraction of the playerbase who actually owns past relic. You mistake "non-raiders" for "casuals".
The "casual" weapon you're looking for is the tome weapon.

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There's a tome weapon you don't have to raid for?

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Originally Posted by purgatori

If it was literally a prettified FF spin on EQ, I think that I would like it better. The big problem for me is that it's a poor version of EQ that doesn't even do overworld mob grinding right, given the forced grouping, necessity to do the choresome logs instead of just killing level-appropriate mobs, etc. To compare to the deep dungeons again, PotD was a fairly well-realised version of the content it was borrowing from, whereas Eureka is more akin to HoH in that it takes a solid, if outdated, concept and manages to completely foul it up. If not for the continued strength of the MSQ and the dungeons (which I don't like, but they are generally well put together) I would begin to harbour serious doubts about this dev team having lost its way, given how Eureka, BLU, HoH, and Squadrons have all turned out. I'm hoping that with 5.0 they manage to get back to releasing experiments that actually work. If they can't do that, then it probably would be better for them to just keep pumping out more of the same.



There's a tome weapon you don't have to raid for?

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well actually its based on FF11.


also, killing level appropriate monsters is the fastest way to level, by far. Level appropriate depends on the size of your group.

solo: equal or one level less
duo: 1-2 ;vels higher
3-4players 1-3 levels higher

5 or more, 3-5 levels higher


solo is pretty rough exp. duo is a bit slow, but with duo, and fates, you are fine. 3-5 levels higher is very good exp, and can probably beat most fates, unless they spawn often.


yes, it is designed to be most effecient with groups, but it does scale fairly well with smaller groups. I did the entire thing with mostly 2-4 players. Its pretty rough solo, but they wanted people to be encouraged to group up for this content, even if its only small groups.


and yes there is a tome weapon you dont have to raid for.
you get scaeven for tomes, and you can upgrade it to 400 with 24 man tokens.

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There's a tome weapon you don't have to raid for?

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When we talk about "raiders", we talk about people who do savage raid. You don't have to savage raid for the tome weapon.

My only beef is with pagos, anemos was inoffensive if bland, and pyros was fun, I haven't gotten to hydatos yet but looks intriguing. I also rather the relic weapon be done this way as I HATE that you need crafted materials for the old relics that were crazy expensive.

i F**** hate eureka i thought il give it a chance today i got invited to a level 20 party i am 8 i got there were killing mobs for 3 hours straight nothing is happenign there's no low exp Parties Fates dont pop up at maps? and mostly high level sh1t how am i supposed to fucking LEVEL when it takes me 1 minuet to kill a mob for 200 exp WHAT is this DESIGN, in FFXI UR EXP GOES BY 200 PER LEVEL UNLIKE EUREKA JESUS CHRIST LOWER MOB's HP'S SO WE CAN SOLO efficiently or fix this system with a DUTY ENTRANCE XP. OR GIVE US FFXI' Command's and playstyle for this method, not 1234568912348 f z x c v b n combo spam,

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Originally Posted by Physic

well actually its based on FF11.


also, killing level appropriate monsters is the fastest way to level, by far. Level appropriate depends on the size of your group.

solo: equal or one level less
duo: 1-2 ;vels higher
3-4players 1-3 levels higher

5 or more, 3-5 levels higher


solo is pretty rough exp. duo is a bit slow, but with duo, and fates, you are fine. 3-5 levels higher is very good exp, and can probably beat most fates, unless they spawn often.


yes, it is designed to be most effecient with groups, but it does scale fairly well with smaller groups. I did the entire thing with mostly 2-4 players. Its pretty rough solo, but they wanted people to be encouraged to group up for this content, even if its only small groups.


and yes there is a tome weapon you dont have to raid for.
you get scaeven for tomes, and you can upgrade it to 400 with 24 man tokens.

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FFXI is based on EQ FFXI was smillar to EQ Eureka is nothing Like XI or EQ period, the Game battle mechanics dont work with EQ/FFXI

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i F**** hate eureka i thought il give it a chance today i got invited to a level 20 party i am 8 i got there were killing mobs for 3 hours straight nothing is happenign there's no low exp Parties Fates dont pop up at maps? and mostly high level sh1t how am i supposed to fucking LEVEL when it takes me 1 minuet to kill a mob for 200 exp WHAT is this DESIGN, in FFXI UR EXP GOES BY 200 PER LEVEL UNLIKE EUREKA JESUS CHRIST LOWER MOB's HP'S SO WE CAN SOLO efficiently or fix this system with a DUTY ENTRANCE XP. OR GIVE US FFXI' Command's and playstyle for this method, not 1234568912348 f z x c v b n combo spam,

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You can't party up with a party that has someone that's 2 level higher than you or more (not against NMs though). That will kill your EXP heavily, especially since you were with a party that had a level 20. It took a lot of people less than 3 days to complete Anemos and obtain the relic and gear for their job and that's with a casual play style on release day and that's even before the challenge log existed and all the nerfs it has now. If you're taking that long, you should realize that you're doing something wrong somewhere.

An elemental level sync would help enormously at this point for keeping the content active and helping newbies to join the fray. A group of us (mostly elvl 60) went in to help a friend who was elvl 8 and didn't know what to do to progress. We dragged her around spawning NMs until she hit 13 and we were able to do her challenge log. If we'd just been able to sync to 8 with her, we could've all been killing mobs together for her challenge log and doing NMs as they spawned and it would've been a smoother experience overall. Why does Eureka feel like it works to actively prevent party play with friends of varying elvls? It feels needlessly punishing to people who start late.