What job is Y'shtola in 5.0?

Also to expand on what i said earlier and perhaps far fetched but looked at trailer again.
We know we will become Warrior of Darkness so could the 2 characters (Urianger and Y'shtola) also be dark versions?
I prefer what i said earlier tbh but just putting ideas out there. It is fun

This is just my thoughts. If we are to become the warriors of darkness, then what would become of Thancred, Y'shtola, and Urianger? If we had to become the opposite of the warrior of light, maybe we are looking at their opposites?

Thancred used to be I guess a rogue(quiet and sneaky). but now a loud tank?

y'shtola used to be a healing class (so it seemed) but now is what appears to be a black mage but clearly is a new job. I'm guessing its one of the two

• Magus - I am leaning towards this as black mage was needed before acquiring this in final fantasy 4.
• Sage - Not so much as this job uses both White and Black mage separately. Remember Tellah?

Urianger - Was this guy ever on the light side? I remember the mess he got us into with that other warrior of darkness. This guy is darkness certified!

Watching bits of the presentation again, they talked about Y'Shtola a lot, repeatedly saying she was "like" a black mage. I think I'm on the sage side now, especially with the Crystal Eye set in Matoya's staff.

It might also be worth noting that it's a job Yoshida talked about previously as one considered for XIV, I think way back when AST was revealed.

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Originally Posted by boldpaste2

[*]Magus - I am leaning towards this as black mage was needed before acquiring this in final fantasy 4.

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3, not 4. Magus wasn't in 4.

If she is using fire she is probably a geomancer

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

If she is using fire she is probably a geomancer

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Which would go against what little we know about Geomancers in the game as they seem to be a cross between whm and Ast.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Which would go against what little we know about Geomancers in the game as they seem to be a cross between whm and Ast.

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There was fire attack in Swallow's Compass and that's a geomancy dungeon. Also, this would make sense as Y'shtola was a conjurer/white mage, so being a geomancer at least makes it a relatable job.

That said, I don't think the trailer shows Y'shtola doing any spell, fire or otherwise.

But that was done by a mercenary and not by a geomancy construct where those did earth, wind and water. It's also the only time I want to say we see any fire. Also the one Geomancer we do meet didn't use any fire and yes she's didn't use any spells. They seemed to be in a forest fire for some reason we won't know til june/july.

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

3, not 4. Magus wasn't in 4.

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My bad. Thanks!

Black Mage.. But it's not Y'shtola - it's Matoya using Y'shtola's younger body to fight while her soul is absent from it.
Can you picture the old hag hobbling along in battle? I sure can't. :P

Very excited to see Matoya join the action!

Well, either way Y'shtola is taking the name of Matoya. My best class it's going to be Witch, playing similarly to Blackmage but with spell differences that players can't get that set her apart.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Someone mentioned that Urianger may have just been saying "What would Master Matoya say?", his weird speech pattern confounding people as per usual.

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I think he is saying "What say is thou Master Matoya" ?
Aren't you, english speakers (frenchy here) using "thou" as you / your's ? Meaning he would be saying somethin like "what are your words master Matoya ?"

I would go for "Matoya" being a title or a family name given by Master Matoya to Yshto'la for some reasons

All I know is SHE is back apparently....please don't give her a linkpearl Y.Y

She is a Gray Wing Witch based on Alistair Crowley research on Tarot it's in the path between Astrologist and Black Mage.
You can check the Gray Wings as a conceptual representation in her skirt fabric shapes.


(Gray Wing Angels) they kind represent the balance between chaos and order, they mingle between destructive/constructive will power to find their inner balance that's where they project their magic, that was the vibe it came to me while watching the presentation.

My Theory:
I think the scene with Uriangier and Y’Shtola/Matoya is the closest to us in terms of timeframe.
Uriangier is ‘sent back’ from wherever the scions have been ‘called’, he acts as a messenger, and reveals the coming calamity. We seek out Matoya’s help, who decides to fight alongside us ‘until Y’shtola returns’. But she can’t do that in her frail old body, so she chooses her star pupil who she knows would agree to being used as a vessel in this manner under dire circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Celef

I think he is saying "What say is thou Master Matoya" ?
Aren't you, english speakers (frenchy here) using "thou" as you / your's ? Meaning he would be saying somethin like "what are your words master Matoya ?"

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That's more or less the meaning - basically "what do you say [about this], Master Matoya?"

(Or normally we'd probably ask "what do you think?")

The exact line is "what sayest thou" - it's an older form of English that uses different endings on verbs, like in German. (I'm a native English speaker but learned German at school.)

And yes, "thou" means "you".

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Originally Posted by Kkun

Technically, isn't that already possible? Jobs are really just there for game mechanics. There's no stopping a character from using whatever magic they want so long as it's allowed within the lore (limitations can be things like the medium used but I don't know if, say, a wood cane is a strict requirement for White Magic since it seems like you can manipulate Aether without anything like that as shown by people like Y'shtola and Krile performing magic without any weapon).

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But using both black and white magick are the definition of Red Mage.

A really bad firefighter.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Would be cool if she is a blm and whm in one. That being said I love the new outfit so much.

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Me too. I definitely want it as a glam, especially with that hood.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

But using both black and white magick are the definition of Red Mage.

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There are more jobs in the FF franchise that could use both black and white than just red mage; just look at the various mages between 3 and 5.

I really don't see them introducing a new job using a staff, really not needed (I already find gunbreaker not very inventive... ).
She's just a BLM.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

But using both black and white magick are the definition of Red Mage.

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The main difference is that a RDM uses their internal aether reserves instead of drawing from the environment like a WHM or BLM. There wouldn't be anything preventing a theoretical Sage job using both white and black magic while being thematically distinct from red mages.

Matoya is probably in her body, as Y'stola is currently unconscious. I don't think Matoya is a title as she and Louisoux go way back and she was always referred to as Matoya. It's much more likely that while the scions are "called", Matoya transfers her soul into Ystola's body via some similar process as the Garleans new technology.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Matoya is probably in her body, as Y'stola is currently unconscious.

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You can't base it on her being "currently" unconscious. This isn't happening in current time - it's beyond the next story patch and into the next expansion.

More importantly, Urianger is also currently unconscious, but he's apparently recovered by whatever time that scene takes place.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You can't base it on her being "currently" unconscious. This isn't happening in current time - it's beyond the next story patch and into the next expansion.

More importantly, Urianger is also currently unconscious, but he's apparently recovered by whatever time that scene takes place.

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That's why i think what i have said could make sense in that it is a dark version of them or alternate reality but Matoya could also have inhibited her body (which was the first thing i had said)
I guess we shall see soon, look forward to it~

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Originally Posted by Maero

That's why i think what i have said could make sense in that it is a dark version of them or alternate reality but Matoya could also have inhibited her body (which was the first thing i had said)
I guess we shall see soon, look forward to it~

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I assumed that Matoya was controlling Yshtola's body for some reason honestly as well. Maybe as a means to keep her alive (Matoya just about views Yshtola as a daughter if anything, even if she wont say as much. Their bond is pretty close if not familial.) Also makes me thing that unfortunately, by the end of the xpac Matoya might end up dying as a means to save Yshtola. Who knows though. Looking forward to finding out.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The main difference is that a RDM uses their internal aether reserves instead of drawing from the environment like a WHM or BLM. There wouldn't be anything preventing a theoretical Sage job using both white and black magic while being thematically distinct from red mages.

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They are completely different in that red mages are fencers that support themselves with lesser spells of black and white magic, while sages are mages that use the upper echelons of those schools.

Basically a red mage is "good in three" while sage is "great in two".

Of course, in Tactics Advance, the biggest utility of Red Mage was "learn Dualcast, ditch into the ether". Red Magic itself was only decent as a support category for a melee class if you wanted them to both supplement in damage at range and healing. They couldn't do either too well though and they were mediocre in melee too.

Time Mage. There, I said it.

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Originally Posted by ksuyen

Time Mage. There, I said it.

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I agree... there, seconded.

My main justification is the quibble regarding Matoya... during the Alexander story arc, I realized the extensive depth of her work with time manipulation. Plus, I respect that lovely old hag because she was powerful (and knowledgeable) enough to be Louisoix's rival.

Na geomancers can use lava which kinda is fire

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Na geomancers can use lava which kinda is fire

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Actually, lava is just really hot melted rock. So it would be potentially within the realm of FFXIV geomancy (and conjury for that matter) to be able to control it - though they may need access to natural lava to use it.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The main difference is that a RDM uses their internal aether reserves instead of drawing from the environment like a WHM or BLM. There wouldn't be anything preventing a theoretical Sage job using both white and black magic while being thematically distinct from red mages.

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BLM also draws from their own aether reserves, thats the entire BLM story arc, and why you need the soulstone to practice advanced thaumaturgy.

As these mage jobs have developed through the series, there's been somewhat of a trend of the 'advanced' jobs being as follows:

Black Mage > Magus
White Mage > Seer
Red Mage > Sage

And with the NPCs having non-typical or advanced jobs, sure, Sage is sn option.
However I believe Louisoix was referred to as a Sage.

I think Y'shtola/Matoya is in fact a Magus.

I'm gonna guess she is Magus. The reason I say that is because the WoDs we faced had different class names (WHM was Oracle and the Elezen BLM was called Magus of Darkness) even though they were basically the same as our class but named differently due to being from another Shard. The fact Yoshi-p keeps saying she is "like" a BLM makes me just think she is Magus.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

I assumed that Matoya was controlling Yshtola's body for some reason honestly as well. Maybe as a means to keep her alive (Matoya just about views Yshtola as a daughter if anything, even if she wont say as much. Their bond is pretty close if not familial.) Also makes me thing that unfortunately, by the end of the xpac Matoya might end up dying as a means to save Yshtola. Who knows though. Looking forward to finding out.

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I very much agree with what you have said and yes most likely she will die.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

I assumed that Matoya was controlling Yshtola's body for some reason honestly as well. Maybe as a means to keep her alive (Matoya just about views Yshtola as a daughter if anything, even if she wont say as much. Their bond is pretty close if not familial.) Also makes me thing that unfortunately, by the end of the xpac Matoya might end up dying as a means to save Yshtola. Who knows though. Looking forward to finding out.

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Matoya's always admonished Y'Shtola for using aether to see because of its toll on her, and has repeatedly even told the WoL in personal conversations to take care of her. I'm willing to bet that Matoya's using her own life force to supplement Y'Shtola's and keep her safe, which would likely be why it seems like her eyes are recovering. Y'Shtola's using Matoya's staff in 5.0, and with the Crystal Eye set in it.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Someone mentioned that Urianger may have just been saying "What would Master Matoya say?", his weird speech pattern confounding people as per usual.

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Nah. He would have phrased it differently ("what wouldst..."), in keeping with his use of early modern English. I don't think it's a title, and her reference to holding the fort whilst they await their friend's return is also suggestive of a body hop. We don't know how yet, but we will find out.

Could just be more misdirection and maybe it's a title, sure, but of all the Scions, Y'shtola's soul has been taxed the most, first through the use of Flow, then maintaining sight through the use of magic and then again when she wove her spell in the House of the Crooked Coin. So she may prove to be the hardest to reconnect with her soul of all the Scions. So I'm willing to take what we're seeing at face value and look forward to finding out how Matoya accomplished it... she is an expert on aetheric transfers, and may have a spell or trick up her sleeve for doing such with an empty body.


Also as a general remark on the topic, I don't put too much weight on exact designations for NPC jobs. A lot of them make wider use of abilities than we do, but still specialise in the same general area as a given class or job, e.g. Ishgardian inquisitors. The robes, staff and fire everywhere are certainly highly indicative of thaumaturgy/black magic, and this is just shortly after Y'shtola was given a THM rework in Dissidia, so that is the area in which I'd pigeonhole this character.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Y'Shtola's using Matoya's staff in 5.0, and with the Crystal Eye set in it.

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I don't think it is. The top of Matoya's staff has a very noticable "hand" shape to it, and Y'shtola's has a more abstract spiraling shape.