Imma spill some glamour option tea a bit...

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Honey sit down for a sec, I have something to tell you about creating alts and Balmung...
(that really wasn't all I had to say but Iscah covered the rest of it)

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Sit down for a sec, we are eventually getting cross-server adds and visit and we have a companion app and I’m already on balmung so in due time my method won’t be necessary.

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Originally Posted by PrincessMarbleSays

So you’re just making baseless assumptions without first asking me how I even intent to reach out to people? Got it.

Just because you wouldn’t bother going to such lengths doesn’t mean everyone else thinks like you and what’s private about an open-ended discord channel? Hmmm it just seems like you assume I posted this without any thought to my words when it’s the exact opposite. I’ve planned carefully because I actually DO care about the discussion and topic I posted and would prefer to get back to discussing that rather than answering you’re poorly attempts at discrediting my offers of vocal chatting about something you haven’t even given an opinion on.

So if you’re done trying to poke holes in my attempts to reach out to the community, what’s your thoughts on the initial posting and opinion on the alleged imbalance I mention?

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I've been engaging in this discussion. I didn't just come here to pick holes in your argument, and I've already made multiple posts on the actual topic prior to the one you responded to.

My thoughts right now are that I don't want to respond any more to you, after you've made at least as many assumptions as you've accused me of making.

I happened to miss a non-obvious solution (convoluted alt-making) to assume an obvious one (expecting people to post details so you can contact them). And because of that you've chosen to be insulting rather than re-explain something that wasn't clear before. Someone else already questioned your non-posting of contact details, and you didn't explain your intentions then.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I've been engaging in this discussion. I didn't just come here to pick holes in your argument, and I've already made multiple posts on the actual topic prior to the one you responded to.

My thoughts right now are that I don't want to respond any more to you, after you've made at least as many assumptions as you've accused me of making.

I happened to miss a non-obvious solution (convoluted alt-making) to assume an obvious one (expecting people to post details so you can contact them). And because of that you've chosen to be insulting rather than re-explain something that wasn't clear before. Someone else already questioned your non-posting of contact details, and you didn't explain your intentions then.

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Why should I have to explain the obvious *look to the left of your screen* bam there is all everyone needs to contact someone. It’s not my job to handhold people through resources they should already know they have. It’s right in front of your face and there are post guides and rule guides all over the forum that should be looked at before people ever consider starting to post/respond.

So it would go like this

“Hey I wouldn’t mind chatting with you in discord”
“Okay cool I’ll send you an add in-game meet me in Limsa once I get my alt ready”
-load presave, go to Limsa, add-
-exchange details-
-chat in discord channel-

.... it’s simple.

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Originally Posted by PrincessMarbleSays

Sit down for a sec, we are eventually getting cross-server adds and visit and we have a companion app and I’m already on balmung so in due time my method won’t be necessary.

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I'm sorry, I wasn't going to touch this topic with a ten-foot pole, but this comment here got my goat.

Your big plan for sharing info "privately and safely" hinges on a feature that won't be out until March? Then why the heck did you make start the conversation in January? lol

And we know you are on Balmung. That was BillyKaplan's entire point. People can't make alts to contact you for your Discord info because your server is locked. Really, either you are being exceptionally obtuse or my very first impression (that this whole thread is just your attempt to stir the pot) was accurate.

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I'm sorry, I wasn't going to touch this topic with a ten-foot pole, but this comment here got my goat.

Your big plan for sharing info "privately and safely" hinges on a feature that won't be out until March? Then why the heck did you make start the conversation in January? lol

And we know you are on Balmung. That was BillyKaplan's entire point. People can't make alts to contact you for your Discord info because your server is locked. Really, either you are being exceptionally obtuse or my very first impression (that this whole thread is just your attempt to stir the pot) was accurate.

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Who said anything about me expecting anyone else to make an alt? I sure didn’t. I mentioned myself making one. I’m not having someone go out of their way to make an alt when I am the one inviting to chat vocally. #fullyawareofwhatcongestedservermeabswhenilogindaily.

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Originally Posted by PrincessMarbleSays

Why should I have to explain the obvious *look to the left of your screen* bam there is all everyone needs to contact someone. It’s not my job to handhold people through resources they should already know they have. It’s right in front of your face and there are post guides and rule guides all over the forum that should be looked at before people ever consider starting to post/respond.

So it would go like this

“Hey I wouldn’t mind chatting with you in discord”
“Okay cool I’ll send you an add in-game meet me in Limsa once I get my alt ready”
-load presave, go to Limsa, add-
-exchange details-
-chat in discord channel-

.... it’s simple.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes let's all make an alt on a locked server that might not even allow people to visit once the server visit is in place due to the fact it's already highly congested. Also unless you send those verbal conversations with people to the dev team they're useless vs this thread for at least here there's a chance for the topic to at least reach someone.

Now would it be nice to have more outfits from other FF ladies? Yes it would as I'm sure that some would also like Paine's or Lighting's X-2 outfit.

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Yes let's all make an alt on a locked server that might not even allow people to visit once the server visit is in place due to the fact it's already highly congested. Also unless you send those verbal conversations with people to the dev team they're useless vs this thread for at least here there's a chance for the topic to at least reach someone.

Now would it be nice to have more outfits from other FF ladies? Yes it would as I'm sure that some would also like Paine's or Lighting's X-2 outfit.

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Again who said anything about me expecting other people to make alts? Show me where I specifically said this?

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Again who said anything about me expecting other people to make alts? Show me where I specifically said this?

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Maybe not expect but you've repeatedly told people to do so if they wanted to get your info as you've so far never stated you'd make an alt on their world.

Wow, what a belligerent OP.

You know, after I made my initial post, I dipped out of this thread because for whatever reason, OP deemed it necessary to respond to my one little post 4 times, back-to-back. A bit excessive - could always just edit your post instead of, you know, responding multiple times and reposting your own comments (fun fact: you're gonna run out of post counts very quickly that way). Then I see this incredibly convoluted way that OP was going to get discord talk going. If anybody were to take you up on your offer, you could've...oh I dunno, edited the discord user name out. Trolls could easily just be blocked, and if it got excessive, you could always report people to Discord's team for that kind of thing. But I digress. Personally, no need to really have a private discord chat if this forum is doing a fine enough job of laying out individual point of views.

Sounds like a pain in the ass to get somebody's discord for a chat about glamour, to be honest.

Honestly it bottles down to preference. I'm sorry that this is how you feel in regards to your options, but from my perspective it's the complete opposite. I feel like gear design that is aimed at female characters tends to be way more diverse and overall appealing. Us guys for the most part end up having a collection of dresses and poofy looking long skirts if we want to play as caster and most of the new added hairstyles are very feminine looking. And while I do understand the whole veteran reward thing, I think it's just because the veteran rewards are "protagonist only" sets and FF isn't known for having many female protagonists, sadly.

As far as mog station glamours go I'd say females have better options, especially when taking into consideration those korean and chinese outfits being slowly but surely added there. The females get fancy designs, the males get ugly kimonos that make even midlanders the size of a Roegadyn paired with even uglier hats. Also pants. Dudes have nothing put a collection of pants, and very, very rarely can use something that branches off that concept.

Just recently SE started to go for a more generalized approach, because up to Heavensward most of what we got would be a female only glamour option, and the supposed to be male counterpart would be unissex. Even Aymeric's hair isn't male only. (And I personally think it's stupid that females are required to buy a set they can't use to unlock a hair). So I understand your pain. I just feel like it's kinda bad overall for both genders, because sadly SE follows a aesthetic pattern of: Females = Collection of dresses and crop tops/ Males = Collection of pants and belts. And that ends up creating the whole "it's greener on the other side".

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Sure, if they give it the bunny outfit treatment and slap it as-is without any modifications. I'm not even talking about design changes so much as not making the chest parts look quite so much like bras. Which they understandably are for the women, but don't fit the men so much.

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The iconic male glamours are not modified for females iirc, at least not the ones I have. So if they modified any of Tifa's outfits for males, I wouldn't even really consider it her outfit anymore at that point. Just something that resembles it, which you might already be able to do with our current options.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

But there is a massive difference between having more iconic outfits for males, and having just more general glams for females. The Thavnairian Bustier is most certainly not a replacement for something like Rinoa's outfit.

I don't even like most of the female locked outfits, but I'd love to have any of the outfits from the female counterparts of the male non-XIV characters we have. But sadly all we have is Lightning which is not a veteran reward so it must be bought from the Mog Station, and Yuna which is no longer available.

There is a very clear imbalance of how glams are targeted, towards both male and female characters. There should not be significantly more male representation for non-XIV characters, and glams in general should not favour female characters more. Both should be equal.

And please no one talk to me about how male outfits are more gender neutral so that's why we should get more male FF outfits than female. That's basically telling players who play female characters that they should be happy with hand-me-downs just because society says it's fine for a woman to wear men's clothing. I don't care if Squall's outfit looks good on a woman. I don't want to dress up like Squall. I want to dress up like Rinoa.

Gender locking should be abolished anyway. Let everyone wear whatever they want with whatever hairstyle they want. More cosmetic options is always a good thing.

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I agree with everything except removing gender locking. I'll never be for this. As I said before, I am very traditional and prefer females to look like females, and males to look like males. Yes, I know there are a lot of unisex options out there already. I never really noticed an imbalance, likely because I see all the gripes about all the female glamour options and I only seek out female attire. But when it comes to iconic gear, like I told the previous poster, if they are modified for the opposite gender then I wouldn't really consider it a Squall or Cloud outfit anymore, and just something that resembles it. I would much rather them just release the iconic female outfits to make things fair.

I know you call yourself Princess, but let us keep our expectations in check not many people are going to jump through all those obstacles just to have a friendly conversation regarding glamour with you. Remember Princess expectations got to keep them realistic.

Personally I wish they would remove the gender locks all together or at the very least on mogstation glam. I am not going to lie the butlers tail coat would look awesome on females, and male roe would look glorious in the maid outfit, couple that with a body hair slider. End of the day gender locking seems archaic.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I agree with everything except removing gender locking. I'll never be for this. As I said before, I am very traditional and prefer females to look like females, and males to look like males.

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Fair enough that you have a preference but frankly the world is moving on from having a hard line between what is for boys and what is for girls. I don't really care what someone else wears. I only care that every player has equal choice of wardrobe and hairstyles regardless of gender.

Also there are already plenty of gear and hairstyle combos that can make characters look androgynous, yet the game isn't overrun with this. I seriously doubt removing gender locking would encourage a sudden rise cross-dressing or androgyny.

Wow, I'm surprised that nowadays still there are people advocating for "keep gender locking". Why?... Why it would hurt them so much to see other people dressing as they please? If an outfit is not gender locked, it doesn't automatically forces you to wear it with a character with a "non-intended" gender for the outfit.

If you don't like to see females dressing as males, just don't be friends and or spend time with them, simple as that. As long as you respect people's choices, it's all good.

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Wow, I'm surprised that nowadays still there are people advocating for "keep gender locking". Why?... Why it would hurt them so much to see other people dressing as they please? If an outfit is not gender locked, it doesn't automatically forces you to wear it with a character with a "non-intended" gender for the outfit.

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One good argument in favor of keeping gender locks is that the lock enables the designers to focus on a specific aesthetic. Look at caster and healer unisex clothes - they all tend to lean towards the feminine. A lot of the heavier armors tend to lean towards the masculine. But if you take an outfit and gender lock it, it allows a modicum of ironic freedom in the design.
I personally think they should release variations in either direction for all roles and jobs (and not necessarily make everything feminine, or take masculine outfits and make them 'sexy' for the ladies if it's unisex), but I can see what people are getting at with this.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Wow, I'm surprised that nowadays still there are people advocating for "keep gender locking". Why?... Why it would hurt them so much to see other people dressing as they please? If an outfit is not gender locked, it doesn't automatically forces you to wear it with a character with a "non-intended" gender for the outfit.

If you don't like to see females dressing as males, just don't be friends and or spend time with them, simple as that. As long as you respect people's choices, it's all good.

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Not that I'm disagreeing with you but it's all a matter of preference, simple as that. When it comes to glams and their aesthetics, you'll find that everyone has drawn different lines in the sand about it.

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Fair enough that you have a preference but frankly the world is moving on from having a hard line between what is for boys and what is for girls. I don't really care what someone else wears. I only care that every player has equal choice of wardrobe and hairstyles regardless of gender.

Also there are already plenty of gear and hairstyle combos that can make characters look androgynous, yet the game isn't overrun with this. I seriously doubt removing gender locking would encourage a sudden rise cross-dressing or androgyny.

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I try to keep worldly affairs out of the forums (especially politics), and keep convos restricted to gaming, but I cannot deny how much of it bleeds into the game. A natural result, I concur. The world moving away from traditionalism is not a good thing, and it is now being resisted by those who wish to uphold these values. The streets are overrun by girly guys, and burly women; the MGTOW reaction/movement is stronger than ever and still picking up speed; the US birthrate is now lower than the level required to replenish, and single men are boycotting marriage because it is just too risky. And I don't blame them either.

I'm not even going to go as far as to blame modern feminism for this mess, but rather I believe this chaos we're currently living in is a result of cosmic male and female energies trying to restore the balance. IOW, the result of women suppressing their own femininity is overly emotional and effeminate males. This is just what I believe, of course. But before I head into a tangent, I brought all of this up because if gender restrictions were removed, trust me, you will see a rise in cross-dressing and androgynous avatars. That is based on the world moving away from traditionalism.

I just have to say, 99.9% of all gear is made for female toons, male chars get barely anything, then what little we have, the female toons now say they need more. CMON. you guys get some much stuff, they were trying to give males at least a couple of options to catch it up a little, Male Toons need love too *tear*

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Look at caster and healer unisex clothes - they all tend to lean towards the feminine. A lot of the heavier armors tend to lean towards the masculine. But if you take an outfit and gender lock it, it allows a modicum of ironic freedom in the design.

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Wizard robes aren't feminine. The use of robes is based on a stereotype of what a magic user looks like, not based on gender. Legendary magic users of both genders are often depicted in robes.

Combat armour was usually designed based on practicality, not gender. Women who wore a full suit of armour for actual combat did not look too different to men. Not even in the breast plate. It is actually very flawed and dangerous design to have breasts moulded into the breast plate.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

One good argument in favor of keeping gender locks is that the lock enables the designers to focus on a specific aesthetic.

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Removing gender locking doesn't remove the ability to design something with a certain gender or body type in mind. Also if you ever played a lalafell you would see that it is very clear that gear is designed with midlander sized characters in mind and then adapted to the other races. So they're already designing gear with a specific aesthetic and then making it available to characters that don't fit the original vision. Removing gender locking wouldn't radically change the design process.

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Originally Posted by KingMeteo

I just have to say, 99.9% of all gear is made for female toons, male chars get barely anything, then what little we have, the female toons now say they need more. CMON. you guys get some much stuff, they were trying to give males at least a couple of options to catch it up a little, Male Toons need love too *tear*

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Ah yes, the extreme point of view here. Maybe 15-20% of gear is designed with females as the main focus. The rest is either unisex or male focused.

We aren't talking glamour pieces only. All gear.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I try to keep worldly affairs out of the forums (especially politics), and keep convos restricted to gaming, but I cannot deny how much of it bleeds into the game. A natural result, I concur. The world moving away from traditionalism is not a good thing, and it is now being resisted by those who wish to uphold these values. The streets are overrun by girly guys, and burly women; the MGTOW reaction/movement is stronger than ever and still picking up speed; the US birthrate is now lower than the level required to replenish, and single men are boycotting marriage because it is just too risky. And I don't blame them either.

I'm not even going to go as far as to blame modern feminism for this mess, but rather I believe this chaos we're currently living in is a result of cosmic male and female energies trying to restore the balance. IOW, the result of women suppressing their own femininity is overly emotional and effeminate males. This is just what I believe, of course. But before I head into a tangent, I brought all of this up because if gender restrictions were removed, trust me, you will see a rise in cross-dressing and androgynous avatars. That is based on the world moving away from traditionalism.

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There, you calling "mess" people's way of life, the way that they achieve happiness, that's just disrespectful and at best very selfish because you're only thinking on your own interests by not wanting people to have the freedom of choice.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Wow, I'm surprised that nowadays still there are people advocating for "keep gender locking". Why?... Why it would hurt them so much to see other people dressing as they please? If an outfit is not gender locked, it doesn't automatically forces you to wear it with a character with a "non-intended" gender for the outfit.

If you don't like to see females dressing as males, just don't be friends and or spend time with them, simple as that. As long as you respect people's choices, it's all good.

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It doesn't hurt me at all. That doesn't mean I have to support it. It also doesn't mean I have to remain quite if I don't agree with it. It really shouldn't be surprising that there's still people like me around. I'm just willing to speak up.

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It doesn't hurt me at all. That doesn't mean I have to support it. It also doesn't mean I have to remain quite if I don't agree with it. It really shouldn't be surprising that there's still people like me around. I'm just willing to speak up.

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No, you don't have to support it at all, but going straightforward against it, that means you're depriving people of having a choice that you aren't forced to take yourself. If you don't support it, just let it be. If people get what makes them happy, good for them!

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Originally Posted by Raikai

There, you calling "mess" people's way of life, the way that they achieve happiness, that's just disrespectful and at best very selfish because you're only thinking on your own interests by not wanting people to have the freedom of choice.

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Not at all. I respect a person's freedom of choice. If I see a male dressed as a female, I'm not going to stop him and project my views onto this player. THAT would be disrespectful. All I am doing is expressing my PoV of the world as I see it today. And of course I am thinking of my own interests. No one else is.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

No, you don't have to support it at all, but going straightforward against it, that means you're depriving people of having a choice that you aren't forced to take yourself. If you don't support it, just let it be. If people get what makes them happy, good for them!

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I do let it be. Do you see me starting up threads, or providing links to blogs/vlogs? I'm also not a dev. I don't make the decision to keep things gender locked.

What if what makes me happy is expressing that I value traditionalism? What on Earth gives you the audacity to tell me that I should let people be happy, then turn around and suggest I remain quite? You've got some nerve.

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Not at all. I respect a person's freedom of choice. If I see a male dressed as a female, I'm not going to stop him and project my views onto this player. THAT would be disrespectful. All I am doing is expressing my PoV of the world as I see it today. And of course I am thinking of my own interests. No one else is.

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The way you wrote your PoV before is actually projecting your views into people. You want it to be done in a way that your PoV is achieved (in your example to the game, by never having gender-unlocking), which will hurt someone else.

But I won't post any further in this subject, because it seems that it's going in circles. As long as you keep your convictions out of harming anyone, it's fine.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I do let it be. Do you see me starting up threads, or providing links to blogs/vlogs? I'm also not a dev. I don't make the decision to keep things gender locked.

What if what makes me happy is expressing that I value traditionalism? What on Earth gives you the audacity to tell me that I should let people be happy, then turn around and suggest I remain quite? You've got some nerve.

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You're really okay to tell me that your happiness is bound to someone else's misery? Call it audacity then.

People, let's not escalate. Remember freedom of expressing personal aesthetic values goes both ways. Gender lock is an aesthetic value, not an attack on people themselves and vice versa.

The issues that we have today in real life are due to people who went out of their way to villify people's lifestyle choices. In all camps.

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You're really okay to tell me that your happiness is bound to someone else's misery? Call it audacity then.

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That's a great sound program.

So.

What

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Wendi_Tang.jpg

"traditional"

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sorts

https://wir.skyrock.net/wir/v1/resiz...Yx4x.jpg&w=399

of

https://cf.ltkcdn.net/mens-fashion/i...naissance3.jpg

male

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/98...5adf3503e1.jpg

clothing

https://www.ducksters.com/history/an...thing_mens.jpg

are

http://hibiscus-sinensis.com/images/mensfashion.jpg

we

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...edesdalesm.jpg

expecting?

https://i2.wp.com/www.luminarium.org...nry8parham.jpg

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Gender lock is an aesthetic value, not an attack on people themselves and vice versa.

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The thing is people who don't want to conform to someone else's standards would feel like it is an attack because the preferences of another person is being forced on them.

No one but the player themselves should have a say in what gear and hairstyles they have access to. We all play the same game. Then we should all have equal access to all the goodies.

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And you have very adeptly pointed out the flaw in the "traditional" men and women's clothing argument. Human history and culture is very rich and diverse. What is considered feminine or masculine can wildly vary from one place to another, and one historical era to another.

I also dipped out of this thread because it was just going to turn into a mess, but I just have to step in to say that...

Most of the armour is unisex in every sense of the word. Heavy plate looks the same on EVERYONE. Metal sheets don't exactly highlight femininity very well and still look like actual armour and not battle bikinis. Robes are also unisex. It's very hard to be either traditionally masculine or feminine when you are in a big sack of cloth.

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Also, men look great in dresses. :o Look up Ezra Miller's latest photoshoot for GQ. That is a handsome, fashionable boy if I do say so myself.

It might be just me but, I'd think a good course of action would be trying to minimize the gender discrepancies between sets as much as possible for regular sets in the game... and design glamour-oriented sets with equal balance between masculine and feminine silhouettes, but gender unlocking them every time.

So, with the benefit of option, everyone is pleased.

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So.

What
"traditional"
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clothing
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expecting?

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And this is why I feel like my male character has just as many costume options as my female one. Possibly more for suiting the fantasy setting and/or my taste in costume design.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

The way you wrote your PoV before is actually projecting your views into people. You want it to be done in a way that your PoV is achieved (in your example to the game, by never having gender-unlocking), which will hurt someone else.

But I won't post any further in this subject, because it seems that it's going in circles. As long as you keep your convictions out of harming anyone, it's fine.

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Explain to me how keeping things gender locked hurts ANYONE. Please! I really want to hear this.

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You're really okay to tell me that your happiness is bound to someone else's misery? Call it audacity then.

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I thought you were done posting? My happiness is bound to someone else's misery? You must have taken the gold on the mental gymnastics team. You can best believe I will call that audacity because taking my words to mean something entirely different than my intention in order to establish a point on your part falls precisely under that definition. If you want me to respect a person's choice to be who they want to be (which I do), I suggest giving some of that respect yourself. Respect and support are not synonymous. These peeps have one of those from me, but not both.

I support the devs decision to keep things gender locked because it lines up with my views on traditionalism. I have every right to voice that support on these forums just as much as those who support lifting the restrictions. Feel free to disagree to your heart's content, but if you think it is ok to suggest that I just remain quite, it most certainly isn't.

I haven't read the entire thread so if this has been hit already my apologies! But honestly I'd like to lend my two cents here, coming from other character customization games.

Dragon Age: Inquistion and Dragon Age II, if you don't have mods you are completely unable to use any kind of dress options. There are six or so variations of bald heads in Inquisition and most of the hairstyles are greasy, masculine, or so badly styled they're unusable for all intents and purposes.

Dragons Dogma you can wear dresses and the character customization is decent, but the dresses are kind of frumpy and dying isn't an option.

Bloodborne and Dark Souls, solid character customization but to my knowledge no dresses and certainly no dying. The game is so dark and full of death though there's not a lot of room for customization to be anything but a detail.

I could list other games too. The vast majority don't have a single dress or skirt available, much less other feminine articles or clothing. Coming to FFXIV where there are MANY highly customizable feminine options, including dresses and skirts and bows and all of that, is a godsend. Seriously, don't take it for granted.

I'd love to see some female character-based clothing items. People mentioned Yuna and Lightning, but honestly imagine LULU from FFX. I suspect part of the issue is that alas, it's widely socially acceptable for girls to wear guy clothing but the reverse tends to get weird reactions. I think the dev team could make adaptations of the designs for men and it would look cool, but it wouldn't be as straightforward largely as the male-to-female adaptations are. I think it would be worth the effort personally, but I'm one fan and it's not my call.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

So.

What

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Wendi_Tang.jpg

"traditional"

http://d2wy8i73agtizs.cloudfront.net...pandavas-1.jpg

sorts

https://wir.skyrock.net/wir/v1/resiz...Yx4x.jpg&w=399

of

https://cf.ltkcdn.net/mens-fashion/i...naissance3.jpg

male

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/98...5adf3503e1.jpg

clothing

https://www.ducksters.com/history/an...thing_mens.jpg

are

http://hibiscus-sinensis.com/images/mensfashion.jpg

we

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...edesdalesm.jpg

expecting?

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Sorry to say this dude, but none of those are traditionally feminine. Like not at all lol, especially during those eras. You won't hear any complaints from me if sets like these were released and gender locked for males. Are you going to post more kilts, healed boots, and other gender neutral attire? And actually, I wouldn't even say these outfits are gender neutral. They are definitely designed for males to wear.