My Idea For Fixing Blue Mage

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bonbori

Fishing is actually the best existing BLU parallel I can think of. I personally consider FSH to be a limited gathering job. It kinda lives in a world of its own. Aside from a handful of exceptions, fish are irrelevant to crafting, fishing is not profitable, desynthing fish isn't even part of Fisher itself, and Big Fishing is a self-serving collect-a-thon that rewards not much aside from personal satisfaction.

---

As bizarre as it sounds, this is probably the best comparison I've seen. Not everything has to be tied to or balanced around progression. It's okay for things to be self contained side activities.

I'm one of the people who was disappointed by BLU not being a standard job, but what they're doing with it looks fantastic and I am very excited. Trying to "fix" it makes you sound obnoxious.

Best way to "fix" it would be to remove it and make it a non limited job. Battle jobs shouldn't be side content imo.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I think people are misunderstanding the difference between unbalanced and overpowered. In all single player games, BLU is presented in a way that would never work in an MMO, with its identity being around gimmicky enemy skills (Lvl X skills, RNG skills, elemental affinity skills, debuff skills etc.). In short, BLU isn't overpowered, it's not suited, and that's before you even take into account skill acquisition.

The current implementation of BLU allows the job to be developed in an environment where it is suited.



Edit: Before you bring up XI, its not a fair comparison because all jobs in XI are unbalanced.

---

I'd like to agree with you, but the skills datamined provide a fairly balanced rotation, with the only thing pushing it into unbalanced being peculiar light being a 30% magic vuln (Seriously 30%). The rest of the abilities seem to form together to make a neat interesting rotation and skillset, so the question arises, if they do have this fairly balanced rotation (excluding peculiar light which could just be tuned down) why should it be exempt from stuff?

Edit: Readability

Fix something that isn't even released yet? I think we should at least see what the pros and cons are first hand before we go jumping to any conclusions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

I'd like to agree with you, but the skills datamined provide a fairly balanced rotation, with the only thing pushing it into unbalanced being peculiar light being a 30% magic vuln (Seriously 30%). The rest of the abilities seem to form together to make a neat interesting rotation and skillset, so the question arises, if they do have this fairly balanced rotation (excluding peculiar light which could just be tuned down) why should it be exempt from stuff?

Edit: Readability

---

I cant see a neat and balanced rotation myself.
I see a couple of combos, and a few spells you could string together in a way that consensus could deem optimal, but without MP costs or cooldowns its still up in the air atm.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seraphor

I cant see a neat and balanced rotation myself.
I see a couple of combos, and a few spells you could string together in a way that consensus could deem optimal, but without MP costs or cooldowns its still up in the air atm.

---

Here's one I prepared earlier: https://imgur.com/a/aM0qhyM
As you said earlier with mana costs its all up in the air, but this seems solid to me atm.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fawkes

I don't think anything we've seen of BLU is remotely OP, all the stuff that would be OP never has any effect on enemies higher level than you.

---

Just a little reminder. Bosses have a level, and it's frequently the same as our cap.

It's good to know that people are coming up with fixes for things we haven't even touched yet.

How can something need fixed when it hasn't even gone live yet and been utilized by the players?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Fix something that isn't even released yet? I think we should at least see what the pros and cons are first hand before we go jumping to any conclusions.

---

We don't have to wait for the release, we already know that BLU is not what we wanted.

People wanted BLU as a new job, and they added BLU because of these people who were asking for it. But they don't add it as a job, they add it as a minigame. They targeted the wrong audience, regardless of how fun BLU might me.


And honestly: We knew before 4.0 release that the class changes for WHM and DRK would suck, we knew that the adding of Shirogane will be a mess, we knew that the greed-only loot rule in 24 man raids would not work, we knew months ahead that Eureka will just be another Diadem... We don't (always) have to wait for the release...

BLU, in the form it is set to be implemented, is exactly what I wanted it to be.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Theodric

BLU, in the form it is set to be implemented, is exactly what I wanted it to be.

---

What if I were to tell you that you could have had what you wanted without sacrificing access to content? It's not so far fetched of an idea as you might think.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Blueyes

What if I were to tell you that you could have had what you wanted without sacrificing access to content? It's not so far fetched of an idea as you might think.

---

Agreed. Im starting to think people aren't against fixing problems like this in the game, but instead troll, because they are annoyed with fans talking about it in the forums. They seem to think that shutting us up, and derailing our threads is going to make it better for themselves, when it negates constructive discussion, and derails potential dialogue in the process.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

I'd like to agree with you, but the skills datamined provide a fairly balanced rotation, with the only thing pushing it into unbalanced being peculiar light being a 30% magic vuln (Seriously 30%). The rest of the abilities seem to form together to make a neat interesting rotation and skillset, so the question arises, if they do have this fairly balanced rotation (excluding peculiar light which could just be tuned down) why should it be exempt from stuff?

---

That's nice and all, but I'll believe it when I see it tomorrow. If that is the case then maybe we will get something nice for BLU later down the line in terms of raiding, but as of right now, the content that we have seems interesting. I am extremely skeptical about the devs unlocking BLU immediately, and I would rather they see how the player base takes to the job rather than putting it somewhere that it does not belong.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tint

BLU is not what we wanted

---

Who is we? You talk like everyone thinks this way

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Agreed. Im starting to think people aren't against fixing problems like this in the game, but instead troll, because they are annoyed with fans talking about it in the forums.

---

A problem is that lots of "fix" threads are simply "wishlist" threads. First, to have a fix, there has to be a problem, and you'd have a hard time finding a real consensus wether there's a problem or not, and if so, what is the problem.

And, like I said, your suggestions would not really fix anything regarding the reason why BLU is this way.

I'm personally more interested in a job that breaks the mold of FFXIV, even at the cost of being denied matchmaking. But I'm still puzzled why the MSQ is restricted...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Reynhart

A problem is that lots of "fix" threads are simply "wishlist" threads. First, to have a fix, there has to be a problem, and you'd have a hard time finding a real consensus wether there's a problem ornot, and if so, what is the problem.

And, like I said, your suggestions would not really fix anything regarding the reason why BLU is this way.

I'm personally more interested in a job that breaks the mold of FFXIV, even at the cost of being denied matchmaking. But I'm still puzzled why the MSQ is restricted...

---

My guess on the story part is because right now you really wouldn't have much story to complete. You can't unlock the job until you finish 2.0 so you could only do 2.1 to 2.5 story until the cap is increased. So that may change when it is increased to lvl 60

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RukiaFae

My guess on the story part is because right now you really wouldn't have much story to complete.

---

Sure, but you don't really have to make a system specific for BLU at that point. The first level 51 quests will be marked red simply because your job won't be lvl 51. It's also the same for Squadrons...you won't enter HW dungeons with your squadron, like you wouldn't if you decide to take a low level job.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

- Make Blue Mage queable for any of the three roles.
- Categorize each ability by its role typings.
- Require enough abilities in a certain role to go into instanced content. I.e. basic healing abilities, aggro abilities, and dps abilities. The number required would go up by the content level.
- Further categorize the abilities by labeling each one for its power. Extremely OP skills that are abusable in duty finder would be banned, or limited in the number that they can be used.
- When you choose a role, your icon color changes to reflect that role.
- By the time you reach level 60-80 you would have enough varied abilities for each role. It would still be a highly customizable job.
- Obviously in undersized instances, and non instanced content, you could do whatever you wanted with what is available to you.

Thoughts?

---

You could simplify it even further.

To queue for a specific role you must have certain specific abilities learned and equipped. When the queue pops if you've changed those abilities since queuing it won't let enter (just like if you changed jobs).

Basically SE would need to standardize what skills are required for each role in each level bracket.

Example:

To queue as a healer in the lvl 70 bracket you'd minimally need: Small Single Target Cast Time Heal, Big Single Target Cast Time Heal, AoE Cast Time Heal, Instant Single Target Heal Cooldown, Instant AoE Heal Cooldown

That's the basic package for all the other healers. The only issue I can see is role skills, but they could always let blue mage have access to them all (still limiting the number they can equip).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tint

We don't have to wait for the release, we already know that BLU is not what we wanted.

People wanted BLU as a new job, and they added BLU because of these people who were asking for it. But they don't add it as a job, they add it as a minigame. They targeted the wrong audience, regardless of how fun BLU might me.


And honestly: We knew before 4.0 release that the class changes for WHM and DRK would suck, we knew that the adding of Shirogane will be a mess, we knew that the greed-only loot rule in 24 man raids would not work, we knew months ahead that Eureka will just be another Diadem... We don't (always) have to wait for the release...

---

We also all knew that blue mage was never going to work as a proper job in this game, no other job gets any sort of customization because that's just how the balance is built in this game. The real problem of blue being op was never going to be a single spell like death, it's finding the combination of skills to maximize personal damage and group utility. Imagine black mage damage with bard utility and a tank stance that lets you eat just enough damage to possibly skip a mechanic. This is the reason you can't customize, especially from such a large pool of skills. My example may be a bit exaggerated, yoshi's death example was too, but the point stands. The balance of this game won't allow blue mage that sort of customization.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aurturia

We also all knew that blue mage was never going to work as a proper job in this game, no other job gets any sort of customization because that's just how the balance is built in this game. The real problem of blue being op was never going to be a single spell like death, it's finding the combination of skills to maximize personal damage and group utility. Imagine black mage damage with bard utility and a tank stance that lets you eat just enough damage to possibly skip a mechanic. This is the reason you can't customize, especially from such a large pool of skills. My example may be a bit exaggerated, yoshi's death example was too, but the point stands. The balance of this game won't allow blue mage that sort of customization.

---

If you've seen the BLU skill list theres a very blindingly obvious best skill combination though, the rest of them are incredibly situational or just reskins of other skills

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

If you've seen the BLU skill list theres a very blindingly obvious best skill combination though, the rest of them are incredibly situational or just reskins of other skills

---

Just like XI you had an optimal build with essential spells and traits alongside redundant and situational spells, but that was still up to the players to choose. You didn't have to have the most DPS focused list. You could customize however you see fit. This version will follow that trend. And that can be a problem in that you can't count on randoms having a viable build or having knowledge of an optimal one whithout SE making certain spells core abilities.

BLU only has about 12 skills that seem mandatory for optimizing their performance at DPS/support, so I don't think people would object to being required to equip those in dungeons/raids, when there's still another 12 slots to fill with whatever.

Wait blu needs fixing? It is a day away were we get to actually try it out and see what it is about.

Let the job go live first please. There are more important things to worry about at this point. Like drama in the field from people over camping mobs and B-ranks for spells and someone drive-by kill stealing your mob while you wait for it to use the ability you want to learn. Unlike FFXI, all enemies are fair game and any anti-BLU troll or general a-hole can run up and kill your claimed mob. That's the only thing I'm worried about.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Reynhart

A problem is that lots of "fix" threads are simply "wishlist" threads. First, to have a fix, there has to be a problem, and you'd have a hard time finding a real consensus wether there's a problem or not, and if so, what is the problem.

And, like I said, your suggestions would not really fix anything regarding the reason why BLU is this way.

I'm personally more interested in a job that breaks the mold of FFXIV, even at the cost of being denied matchmaking. But I'm still puzzled why the MSQ is restricted...

---

Bullocks. The most popular Blue Mage thread on these forums is a petition for duty finder. Everything I listed out was part of a plan that could fix Blue Mage.

Even so, these fixes wouldn't affect any of you naysayers, because the solo play you love so much would be unaffected. We can have Blue in solo content, and the current party finder.

Not fix anything my scaley au ra butt. All Im proposing is that they evolve Blue Mage into a full scale job. Anyone that wouldn't want evolution of our game isn't to be taken seriously. Once you have all your skills what are you going to do with them. Main Story Quests? It's not allowed. Raid? Nope, you can't do that. Dungeons outside of party finder that you have done before, and probably don't need? Yep. Have fun with Sastasha or whatever. Deep dungeon not even for the solo experience? Nope. Current content? Nope. All you've got is the Masked Carnival. It is a joke. I guarantee after a month people are going to shelve it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mhiro

Let the job go live first please. There are more important things to worry about at this point. Like drama in the field from people over camping mobs and B-ranks for spells and someone drive-by kill stealing your mob while you wait for it to use the ability you want to learn. Unlike FFXI, all enemies are fair game and any anti-BLU troll or general a-hole can run up and kill your claimed mob. That's the only thing I'm worried about.

---

fortunately SE has got most of the overworld learned skills with at least 2 mobs and even then alot of the overworld mob abilities can be gotten from dungeons

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Anyone that wouldn't want evolution of our game isn't to be taken seriously.

---

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...Emote_Icon.png

I'd rather they take a look at their open world and fix that at least it's rather dull imo. /Shrugs

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mhiro

Let the job go live first please. There are more important things to worry about at this point. Like drama in the field from people over camping mobs and B-ranks for spells and someone drive-by kill stealing your mob while you wait for it to use the ability you want to learn. Unlike FFXI, all enemies are fair game and any anti-BLU troll or general a-hole can run up and kill your claimed mob. That's the only thing I'm worried about.

---

This right here is honestly my biggest (and currently, only) concern on BLU being released. In fact, I fully expect some players in game to be doing this, just to spite those who are fine with the way BLU is being implemented... or are even just simply curious about how BLU works as this new "Limited Job" concept. While I myself was rather disappointed that BLU is being made into a limited job instead of a full job, my concern began to shift over to what you just said, given the nature of a few players I've seen in FFXIV. I'll be amazed if I get through the BLU leveling process and skills (off the overworld monsters first) without at least one troll attempt being made against my BLU.

I don't think it'll be that big of a problem though. Maybe. We'll see tomorrow.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tint

We don't have to wait for the release, we already know that BLU is not what we wanted.

People wanted BLU as a new job, and they added BLU because of these people who were asking for it. But they don't add it as a job, they add it as a minigame. They targeted the wrong audience, regardless of how fun BLU might me.


And honestly: We knew before 4.0 release that the class changes for WHM and DRK would suck, we knew that the adding of Shirogane will be a mess, we knew that the greed-only loot rule in 24 man raids would not work, we knew months ahead that Eureka will just be another Diadem... We don't (always) have to wait for the release...

---

I think that part annoys me most, since if they wanted to add this sort of solo content they could have done so with something entirely new. I'm happy some people want that new way to play the game solo content (maybe, it's not clear blue mage is "that" solo friendly). I was sort of excited when I thought it was going to be true to form 1:1 OP spells with extremely strong solo ability but seeing the leaks I'm not sure (they don't look that OP and the fact you need groups for a lot of stuff probably means they're not that strong, will still wait before scoffing though it's literally on our doorstep to wait for lol).

Either way though those who are satisfied for this "new way to approach the game" probably would have been fine with any other job - meanwhile those who wanted Blue Mage to be a job to play as one are now praying they'll make it both limited and not or just abandon all hope (able to be weird and also become balanced).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aurturia

We also all knew that blue mage was never going to work as a proper job in this game, no other job gets any sort of customization because that's just how the balance is built in this game. The real problem of blue being op was never going to be a single spell like death, it's finding the combination of skills to maximize personal damage and group utility. Imagine black mage damage with bard utility and a tank stance that lets you eat just enough damage to possibly skip a mechanic. This is the reason you can't customize, especially from such a large pool of skills. My example may be a bit exaggerated, yoshi's death example was too, but the point stands. The balance of this game won't allow blue mage that sort of customization.

---

I don't believe the core of Blue Mage is customization though, besides FFXI that's not been blue mage's "thing". In a FF with jobs that also had blue mage the spell lists have been quite long, and the learning generally open. Learning from monsters and using monster spells is Blue Mage's thing. Cannot agree to a concept that Blue Mage couldn't be implemented just because of customization as that's not Blue Mage (imo).

Although - I think they have the opportunity to give Blue Mage a silly long spell list (limited) AND allow them into duty finder by allowing Blue Mage to be both (limited and not), which could be really interesting I suppose. Really hoping they take a subset of the skills you can learn and turn it into a valid job (balanced for duty finder).. I think that'd actually go beyond my original hopes for Blue Mage in this game (if they were able to have a customized non-df content (circus, pf, etc) and also a limited df part).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Reynhart

First, to have a fix, there has to be a problem, and you'd have a hard time finding a real consensus wether there's a problem or not, and if so, what is the problem..

---

While I agree the how to fix might be disorganized I'd argue strongly that the problem is exceptionally consistent with people (they want it to work in DF). So I think the consensus on problem is actually extremely clear, for those who have a problem at least. Not everyone has a problem of course; however, everyone doesn't need to agree one exists for one to be so - otherwise very very few problems in the world exist lol (since unanimity or even majority agreement is rare).

Another thing to add to that is most of the people I've read (having read almost all the threads about blue mage here) who want DF are not asking for the solo/SE aspect to be destroyed so in many situations the two groups (those who like SE's version/those who don't) are only at odds with each other in very limited fashions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mhiro

Let the job go live first please. There are more important things to worry about at this point. Like drama in the field from people over camping mobs and B-ranks for spells and someone drive-by kill stealing your mob while you wait for it to use the ability you want to learn. Unlike FFXI, all enemies are fair game and any anti-BLU troll or general a-hole can run up and kill your claimed mob. That's the only thing I'm worried about.

---

That sounds very aggravating lol.. Hopefully that doesn't become a wide spread issue.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...Emote_Icon.png

---

I laughed harder than I probably should have at this.

I don't think there's a way to 'fix' it in the sense the TC wants (making it viable in normal/current content) without defeating the purpose of a limited job in the first place. This is one case where I think going for either end of the spectrum works but a compromise would be a broken mess.

BLU could have worked as a normal job. They could have picked a role, and taken classic blue mage spells to form a rotation/toolkit for that role, and just tied the monster part of it into job quests. It would have worked fine. But I don't think that can work while also letting BLU mages freely collect spells in the traditional way. Because they're not going to make a normal job that requires so many extra hoops get its full tool kit. It would also be a balancing nightmare letting them select a set of spells from said pool freely, while every other job gets a set in stone tool kit. (Even role abilities have had any choice removed outside of low levels.) You would have issues of people having to put in extra work to get the needed spells or else be barred from duty finder. Or you would have people joining duty finder unprepared and holding groups back and possibly getting kicked for it. They would ultimately have to balance blue mage around having all of its abilities, otherwise people that get all of the spells would be OP.

I just don't think it would work. The only way blue mage would work as a standard job in the game would be to strip out the spell collection aspect, give it a set rotation learned via job quests and leveling, and fit it into a mold just like every other job was fit into a mold. There is no 'fixing' blue mage. The only way to make it work as a balanced job would mean completely doing away with everything the limited job system allows it to do.

Now, if some people would prefer it had just been implemented as a normal job and scrapped the spell collection and customization aspects, I can respect that point of view. But BLU isn't going to be able to have its cake and eat it too here without becoming a broken mess balance wise one way or another.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Once you have all your skills what are you going to do with them.

---

For any other job: Once you have all your gear, what are you going to do with it?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I don't think there's a way to 'fix' it in the sense the TC wants (making it viable in normal/current content) without defeating the purpose of a limited job in the first place. This is one case where I think going for either end of the spectrum works but a compromise would be a broken mess.

---

Why?

Take a subset of the spells in the book and highlight them gold, these golden skills have "chained" versions of their skills. When you go into DF flip your job stone to chained mode (changing your gear and hotbar in one easy motion), chained blue can only use chained spells (which there are a specific set of).

Unchained blue = exactly how limited blue mage is now (cannot DF/etc). Chained blue = has to learn their skills, cannot join the DF content that could use them without having them first (and due to unchained mode can learn them without need of DF), is balanced like other jobs.

I don't see why they can't exist at the same time (besides money, although of course chain will take assets (animations, concepts, etc) from the unchained mode meaning it's less expensive than generating an entirely new job).

Just to be clear I don't agree with making 3 jobs part of the OP, I believe 1 is enough and 3 is too much work, just so some of my argument isn't mixed in too deep with that idea.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Bullocks. The most popular Blue Mage thread on these forums is a petition for duty finder. Everything I listed out was part of a plan that could fix Blue Mage.

Even so, these fixes wouldn't affect any of you naysayers, because the solo play you love so much would be unaffected. We can have Blue in solo content, and the current party finder.

Not fix anything my scaley au ra butt. All Im proposing is that they evolve Blue Mage into a full scale job. Anyone that wouldn't want evolution of our game isn't to be taken seriously. Once you have all your skills what are you going to do with them. Main Story Quests? It's not allowed. Raid? Nope, you can't do that. Dungeons outside of party finder that you have done before, and probably don't need? Yep. Have fun with Sastasha or whatever. Deep dungeon not even for the solo experience? Nope. Current content? Nope. All you've got is the Masked Carnival. It is a joke. I guarantee after a month people are going to shelve it.

---

Bullocks. The fixes would affect everyone because you're asking the devs to develop 3 full jobs in one package, instead of the limited job they're currently doing.

You're not asking for the evolution of the game. You're asking the devs to drop what they're doing and fully cater you and a few others, because there's something you don't particularly like.

And don't be fooled. BLU as a tank or BLU as a healer would have to be pretty balanced, otherwise you'd have no BLUs wanted because tanks/healers do a better job or every other tank/healer shelved because BLU is better at their role than them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shougun

Why?

Take a subset of the spells in the book and highlight them gold, these golden skills have "chained" versions of their skills. When you go into DF flip your job stone to chained mode (changing your gear and hotbar in one easy motion), chained blue can only use chained spells (which there are a specific set of).

Unchained blue = exactly how limited blue mage is now (cannot DF/etc). Chained blue = has to learn their skills, cannot join the DF content that could use them without having them first (and due to unchained mode can learn them without need of DF), is balanced like other jobs.

I don't see why they can't exist at the same time (besides money, although of course chain will take assets (animations, concepts, etc) from the unchained mode meaning it's less expensive than generating an entirely new job).

Just to be clear I don't agree with making 3 jobs part of the OP, I believe 1 is enough and 3 is too much work, just so some of my argument isn't mixed in too deep with that idea.

---

Then they have to build an actual rotation and balance it where the whole point of a limited job is to let you collect spells and do what you want with them away from the balanced endgame. Plus the issue of people having to go out and gather all of these chained abilities in order to be viable, a hurdle not thrust upon any other job. And if they separate the chained spells from the normal 'go out and collect them' spells at that point they might as well just make a new job separate from blu for all the work they gotta put into it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke

This right here is honestly my biggest (and currently, only) concern on BLU being released. In fact, I fully expect some players in game to be doing this, just to spite those who are fine with the way BLU is being implemented... or are even just simply curious about how BLU works as this new "Limited Job" concept. While I myself was rather disappointed that BLU is being made into a limited job instead of a full job, my concern began to shift over to what you just said, given the nature of a few players I've seen in FFXIV. I'll be amazed if I get through the BLU leveling process and skills (off the overworld monsters first) without at least one troll attempt being made against my BLU.

I don't think it'll be that big of a problem though. Maybe. We'll see tomorrow.

---

ok there are very few abilities that are overworld mobs only, Faze (go to any qiqirn), Flying sardine(plenty of Apkallus or do the levequest Call me mating), Bristle(loads of boars around) and Toad oil(the only one that might be able to troll on as haven't found a duty with it)
so 4 abilities that can only be gotten in overworld and only 1 that might be able to be trolled with/farmed to death
All in all do not worry as the vast majority of abilities have an alternate way of getting them the overworld might be the best for 16 abilities but only 4 actually require it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Then they have to build an actual rotation and balance it where the whole point of a limited job is to let you collect spells and do what you want with them away from the balanced endgame. Plus the issue of people having to go out and gather all of these chained abilities in order to be viable, a hurdle not thrust upon any other job. And if they separate the chained spells from the normal 'go out and collect them' spells at that point they might as well just make a new job separate from blu for all the work they gotta put into it.

---

People wanted to play Blue Mage as a main job, so no setting another new job is not the point lol (also it would still be less work than making a whole new job, since as I said they'd have a head start on lore and graphics). And yes of course they have to build a rotation, the whole point of limited job is not ruined by allowing a chained section though. You still have exactly the limited part of the job available to you (literally, limited is untouched).

You haven't given me a reason why it can't have both just that chained and unchained are different.. which of course they are - that is the point there.

Chained would not ruin unchained. You can still go learn unbalanced spells part of limited, you just can't use those unbalanced spells when "chained". If you chose not to main blue mage then you'll never experience being chained. And if you do then you can play blue mage as some weird solo lord when unchained (and content allows) and you can also play it as your main playing current now content. "but other jobs don't have to learn their skills, that's extra burden on blue mage players", I accept the burden thanks besides the reward is goofy spells when unchained (call it advanced job and let players know upfront it's different).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shougun

You haven't given me a reason why it can't have both just that chained and unchained are different.. which of course they are - that is the point there.

---

Because chained means they'd have to go learn those abilities and would likely be exiled by other players from group content until the player spent the work to go learn those spells. Not only is it roughly the response Yoshi had in regard to why Blue Mage is barred from Duty Finder content, but planning for the worst behavior of users is just a basic element of smart programming.

Ultimately, you can either have a job work like any other or you can have a job work like Blue Mage will. You can't have both because of just how horrible players can potentially be with any new system.