New items on the mog station

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I was aware that they'd changed his script/personality and had to back up on it, but I didn't realised they'd been able to change his emotes as well. Anyway, I got through the game the first time without knowing about it and without really noticing anything was amiss. Maybe because they 'course corrected' early enough that it just seemed like he's becoming more friendly as you get to know him better.

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No, I believe Ameme was just saying how they toned down his personality. They didn't adjust emotes or cutscenes

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I'm reminded of that Lord of the Dance NPC from early on in ARR that tells the Miqo'te girl that her dancing is so bad that it rivals the Calamity in its abomination unto the realm. Why doesn't he come back and show us more dances? He was funny.

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I forgot about him! It would be awesome for him to make a come back

I have no issue with the cosmetic items sold on the Mog Station. Aside from being a very common business practice in the gaming industry at this point, the items are primarily marketed at those with a disposable income. They're luxury products. Nobody needs to purchase them.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

just want to point out to those people who are like "i cant believe they did this ever since stormblood they been so scummy with mogstaion"

The Huzzah emote was just the limit break animations for the rest of your party and that was release in HW
i agree this should have been a quest reward but they have always been like this with emotes

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This emote was given for free during a seasonal event. I used to not have a problem with them releasing old seasonal rewards on the mog station because it made more sense to do that seeing as how I paid $12 that month and those who didn't grab it during the event did not.

But anyway, mog station is a mistake *grabs pitch fork*

HSN...sorry Greedst....MOGSTATION shall not be getting any money from me (unless I want a Fantasia but that's about it). All those emotes could really be in game rewards like with sidequests or something. $7.00 for a emote? HELL NAW. As for the mount...I've seen better. But even still it's not worth almost $25.00 for. I'd take my FREE Falcon mount anyday over another meh pony (yes I'm calling it pony) mount. SE is getting more and more greedy each time I see new items added to mogstation like those emotes for example. Emote should be in game prizes! Sidequests, maybe MSQ rewards, or Gold Saucer mgp prizes...or maybe a Wondorous Tails reward.


Paying for emotes and orchestrion rolls is just...and I'll say this bluntly... LAME. Mounts...I can "maybe" see as cash shop exclusive (though some mounts look like crap anyway). Emotes should never be something you have to pay for in this game. It diminishes a lot of interesting quests they COULD add to the game to get those emotes. But sticking that sh*t on mogstation just further proves how greedy SE is for petty cash.





I for one, won't be spending my money on something that should be a in game reward for effort and fun times, and hope you all won't waste your cash either. Let SE know that they should put new emotes in the game as rewards. Speak with your wallet and don't buy this crap.




/2 cents

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Originally Posted by Usho

another meh pony (yes I'm calling it pony) mount

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Of course it's a pony. Of the "My Little" variety. Look at that pretty frilly barding! (It bears a remarkable resemblance to this one that I still actually own...)

...well okay, either that or Ganondorf's horse. But I thought of the pony first.

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Originally Posted by Usho

I'd take my FREE Falcon mount anyday over another meh pony (yes I'm calling it pony) mount.

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....It's Lu Bu's actual horse from Dynasty Warriors whom plays off of the real Chinese warlord and general that lived during the late Eastern Han dynasty of Imperial China. It's more than just a "meh pony". The Red Hare was literally part of Chinese history, good lord. The actual horse was probably a Mongolian bred one where they are huge as hell, literally, the Red Hare was complimented throughout history as a "steed who stands among other horses" because Lu Bu was stated as a "man who stands out among other men".

It was part of the Chinese cash shop and holds a significant value towards them because of the history behind it. But, since people from the West also like playing Dynasty Warriors and know of Lu Bu's history, that's probably why it ended up in ours as well.

Why on earth should something be "free" because you don't understand it's worth or value when people had to pay for it in the Chinese cash shop regardless?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I have no issue with the cosmetic items sold on the Mog Station. Aside from being a very common business practice in the gaming industry at this point, the items are primarily marketed at those with a disposable income. They're luxury products. Nobody needs to purchase them.

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Except if you start labeling them as "Luxury Items" you need to start questioning the validity of our Monthly Subscription and why we're even paying for it in the first place if certain items are being paywalled as "Luxury". The only games that should even have items of that nature should be Buy2Play or Free2Play games in which they either are sustained by first time purchases or cash shop purchases, games in which have no steady flow of revenue coming in on a monthly basis. FFXIV is not one of those games as it not only makes money on the base game purchase and expansion purchases but gets money on a monthly basis from people trying to access it in the first place.

It's true that nobody needs to purchase them but at the same time the argument can be made that there is no need to put them on the cash shop to begin with. Edda's outfit? Why not make it a Floor 150+ Reward item that you can possibly get? Sleipnir? Shove him into the Odin FATE as a rare as hell drop or even the Odin Trial. All non-promotional glamours, mounts and emotes? Well you have crafters that can benefit from having more glamour recipes in-game, an achievement based system or other duties in-game that can benefit from adding mounts as incentives and emotes? Add them into side-quests or for things like Teraflare and Power Up could have attached them to SMN/MNK related quests to make them feel more thematic alongside giving incentives for people to branch out to those classes if they haven't. And to finish the list, Event Items should be added back to their Event vendors every year.

Nothing in this game should be paywalled when access to the games and its forum itself are paywalled themselves, or rather to rephrase that Nothing that isn't part of an actual promotion such as the Amazon, 7/11, Fanfest or Physical Rewards should be put up on the Mogshop.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

Except if you start labeling them as "Luxury Items" you need to start questioning the validity of our Monthly Subscription and why we're even paying for it in the first place if certain items are being paywalled as "Luxury".

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Our monthly sub covers the major patch content releases. With 4.4 on the horizon, this will include:

- MSQ
- Suzaku (Normal and Extreme)
- Alphascape (Normal and Savage)
- Hildabrand (4.45)
- Eureka Pyros (4.45)
- Quality of Life (Minion and Mount search updates)
- Mannequins
- Lost Canals update
- New tomestone and Alphascape gear
- The Burn and Saint Mocianne's Arboretum Hard

Now it's debatable on the quality of this content, but that's what our sub covers. Insinuating because they toss a mount or emote on the Mogstation that our sub loses value is very disingenuous. Do I think they're getting a little carried away? Yes. But they are, indeed, luxury items.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Now it's debatable on the quality of this content, but that's what our sub covers. Insinuating because they toss a mount or emote on the Mogstation that our sub loses value is very disingenuous. Do I think they're getting a little carried away? Yes. But they are, indeed, luxury items.

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Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost. Outside of maybe the Chinese items which are indeed commissioned by the branch maintaining their Chinese builds most of the items are done with the resources allocated to this game by SE which will take into account the Monthly Revenue it makes.

Why are many things that so easily fit in this game as rewards for in-game events, recipes for crafters or incentives for classes constantly being shoved into the Mog Shop? Was it not Yoshida himself who said that the Mog Shop was going to be a way to reintroduce event items, something that I don't agree with in the slighest, so why is it that we have branched into a Cash Shop that is around 380 items large when its only competitor WoW has nothing in that scale after its 14 years in operation? I mean lets go one step further to just further cement the constant F2P tactics that this is going with, The Companion App. What should have been a small helper to part of the playerbase akin to WoW's Companion Apps or Warframe's companion app has easily become one of SE's biggest cashgrabs to date. Limited interactions without Kupo Nuts with 10 being the max on a Premium User still enforcing the need to use more money to have more interactions if you so desired. I think we really need to start asking with the constant addition of non-promotion cash shop items such as emotes or glamours, the Pony itself is fine given it is a Chinese Promotional mount, on top of an App asking for another subscription to get the most out of it without abusing its microtransactions why we even have a Subscription in the first place?

Why are we going to arbitrarily draw a line on "Well with our sub we get "x","y" and "z" " when the subscription based model itself is built to avoid having to go down the Cash Shop route? I mean if you want to make the argument of "Well Square Enix doesn't give enough funds to FFXIV and all the Mogshop money goes back to them" then once again I ask "Why are we a subscription based game then?" if the game is now suffering a financial burden that it has to follow what other Free2Play's suffer where the only money they know their solely getting comes straight from their cash shops?

It's okay. I mean, they give you a lot free just for playing the game. When they sell the items, its just selling the items, it's not selling gacha with a chance at the item. There's nothing in the game that forces you to buy a cash shop item or face a huge grind, and there is nothing in it that helps with gearing. The only issue I have is that the prices are getting expensive, and that it makes you want to buy less since a mount often costs as much as a full B-tier current generation game.

It's about as decent a cash shop as you can get. I think maybe they could solve it by instead having two-tiered subs. Say you pay $30 a month and you get free stuff every month along with your sub, but its random.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

Was it not Yoshida himself who said that the Mog Shop was going to be a way to reintroduce event items, something that I don't agree with in the slighest...

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There are a vast many MMOs that NEVER gave you the opportunity to get old event items. You missed the event, tough nuggets. Would it be nice if we didn't have to buy them on the cash shop and could get them each year in game, sure, but the fact it's provided at all is better than them going the traditional route and keeping it exclusive to the year of it's release. So in this case if you did the event when it was live, you got it free, otherwise...money if you can't live without those missed things.

However, with the release of the $5 dollar snowcone...no. That's an item I believe should have been made a recurring item like the fireworks. I get that its a housing item and it doesn't have to be consumed but...that one I'm gonna agree is unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

There are a vast many MMOs that NEVER gave you the opportunity to get old event items. You missed the event, tough nuggets. Would it be nice if we didn't have to buy them on the cash shop and could get them each year in game, sure, but the fact it's provided at all is better than them going the traditional route and keeping it exclusive to the year of it's release. So in this case if you did the event when it was live, you got it free, otherwise...money if you can't live without those missed things.

However, with the release of the $5 dollar snowcone...no. That's an item I believe should have been made a recurring item like the fireworks. I get that its a housing item and it doesn't have to be consumed but...that one I'm gonna agree is unreasonable.

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Actually, and just to clarify (and to remind people), before the Mog Station was introduced you could get past years' event items in-game once said event returned. For gil. That was a way more ethical system for a P2P MMO, especially one that almost died (or died and resurrected, if you like) and that relied on its playerbase's good faith. But that feature was removed once the game was up and running well, with everything that that move implies.

Anyway, greed + people's stupidity leads to what we have now, including the app (and less content, recycled gear, etc.). And things will keep getting worse, because I don't see any change in the players' mentality of "things are fine, it's optional!" :) Guess what? The whole game is optional, including that nice recycled gear that you "enjoy" now. We warned people since years ago, but whatever. Personally, nowadays I barely care, and I just sub a couple of months per year (and it's becoming less and less) to play a bit with friends.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost. Outside of maybe the Chinese items which are indeed commissioned by the branch maintaining their Chinese builds most of the items are done with the resources allocated to this game by SE which will take into account the Monthly Revenue it makes.

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It is when you grossly exaggerate how many things are actually added to the Mogstation. This gets even worse when you claim SE is adopting a F2P policy despite having a sub model. The difference between our cash shop and ones seen in F2P games is staggering. In fact, let's review. Spanning from 4.2 to present day, we have the following new outfits and/or glamour

Tome
Diamond
Ivalice
Swallow's Compass
Quaintrelle's Ruffled Dress / Boulevardier's Ruffled Shirt

In Black Desert, those sets would cost $40. Each. For comparison sake, to purchase that many outfits costs more than six months worth of sub time here. And this does not take into account furniture. That new Mannequin system we're getting? Yeah, you're buying it in a F2P game. Mounts? Every single one of them beyond the basic will typically end up on the cash shop. Which brings me another point. Despite all the complaints, we've actually had only one exclusive mount that hasn't been a Chinese/Korean port: Carbuncle. This also applies to the outfits. Most are overseas ports or cosplays. You can argue the latter, but the devs only ever released them because people wanted to purchase them. That's why, much to many people's annoyance, they aren't dyeable. They're not meant to be rewards.

The only real difference between Heavensward and Stormblood has been more emotes. Regardless, Mogstation isn't even a fraction of what it'd be with a F2P model nor was the subscription ever meant to avoid it. Every MMO, no matter their model has a cash shop. Despite my strong misgivings with how content has been handled of late; my opinions of Eureka are hardly a secret. Let's not pretend we are anywhere near a F2P game, or that our sub fees don't cover a fairly large amount of content.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Anyway, greed + people's stupidity leads to what we have now, including the app (and less content, recycled gear, etc.). And things will keep getting worse, because I don't see any change in the players' mentality of "things are fine, it's optional!" :) Guess what? The whole game is optional, including that nice recycled gear that you "enjoy" now. We warned people since years ago, but whatever. Personally, nowadays I barely care, and I just sub a couple of months per year (and it's becoming less and less) to play a bit with friends.

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You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood. And everything is optional. You cannot get around that no matter how hard you try. If they did put things say, Carbucle in the game. Do you think it'll be handed to you in a run of the mill quest chain? No. They'll lock it in Pagos or MSQ Roulette or any other long grind in the hopes of incentivizing that content. It isn't stupidity if people have extra money they choose to spend on luxuries. Unless you think going out for drinks with friends is equally stupid. You'll spent significantly more on drinks at a bar than if you bought a bottle from a liquor store. How people spend their money is their business, not yours. If you don't think the mounts or dresses are worth it, don't buy them. I don't. There is plenty on the Mogstation I'm not willing to spend money on. So I don't.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood.

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It was not THAT much. The majority of gear was new, including that coming from dungeons, unlike now.

But as I said, I don't really care. I clarify this, but I have better things to do. I discussed about this well enough back in the day, and I know the replies perfectly fine. I wish you the best with the game :) (No sarcasm, as I hope that people wake up eventually).

I haven't checked the Mogstation in a while, I'm still laughing that a snowcone on the Mogstation is more than a snowcone irl, now we are getting Cloud's bike that will be priced for 30 bucks, for a single mount, not even a two-seater.

Its hard to really justify there prices.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost.

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Just because you pay a sub fee, does not mean nor has it ever meant that you're entitled towards everything that's relatable for the game. You're paying your sub fee to have access to PLAY the game, just the game....whatever stuff in the cash shop does not hinder you from doing that essentially and until it actually does, this is just whining.

So basically another emote that I'll wait til it goes on sale to get.

I hope that those that say, that we should not complain that we have so much in the cash shop and at the same time also have to pay our sub too, are also fine with the mog coins in the app. Because its not like we have to buy them right? I am kinda fine if we get those other-regions items in there because they were sold there too (but I still question why those versions need so many items..). I am not fine with quite a bit of the prices.

(And I will never be fine for all the old event stuff landing in there and costing a lot..because there was a point in the past where we got all that with the next event, and as far as I know other games like Rift and I believe even WoW do give old rewards again)

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Just because you pay a sub fee, does not mean nor has it ever meant that you're entitled towards everything that's relatable for the game. You're paying your sub fee to have access to PLAY the game, just the game....whatever stuff in the cash shop does not hinder you from doing that essentially and until it actually does, this is just whining.

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Doesnt this just give them the free reign to put anything in the shop? Because if its fine as long as people are able to play the game...that will mean that they could do nearly everything and anyone that would complain would be a whiner. So if you can still get PVE gear through raiding and they at the same time put something similiar in this, it would still be fine, because people could still raid without it.

(Also if we are nitpicky, if someone is a mount/pet/glamour collector the cash shop does hinder them, because if they want to collect every single one of them but dont want to pay money, they simply cant. They could have every single mount in the game but could not still have a complete collection because of the cash shop ones.)

I gotta say, they should just keep tge event items around when the wvent comes back. Making you pay for something you paid the development for is dirty.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

(Also if we are nitpicky, if someone is a mount/pet/glamour collector the cash shop does hinder them, because if they want to collect every single one of them but dont want to pay money, they simply cant. They could have every single mount in the game but could not still have a complete collection because of the cash shop ones.)

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Sure, lets be nitpicky. Most mounts/minions/glamour are not content, they're rewards for doing content. There's also no additional bonus to getting all the mounts/minions/glamour nor is there any content or additional rewards locked behind getting them all. The literal only reason for getting all of them is to just say you've done it. Just like any other reward in the game, if you want it enough you'll find a way to get it. Want that raid gear? Then learn to raid. Want that relic? Learn to grind Pagos. Want those crafted glams? Farm Canals. Want a cash shop item? Sacrifice your wallet.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

Sure, lets be nitpicky. Most mounts/minions/glamour are not content, they're rewards for doing content. There's also no additional bonus to getting all the mounts/minions/glamour nor is there any content or additional rewards locked behind getting them all. The literal only reason for getting all of them is to just say you've done it. Just like any other reward in the game, if you want it enough you'll find a way to get it. Want that raid gear? Then learn to raid. Want that relic? Learn to grind Pagos. Want those crafted glams? Farm Canals. Want a cash shop item? Sacrifice your wallet.

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Not sure how something isn't content if it is in the game. Also we all know that glamour is the true end game, so it is most definitely content that has been locked behind an additional pay wall.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

The literal only reason for getting all of them is to just say you've done it.

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You can apply this logic to everything else in the game, but we aren't paying extra for it... yet

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Doesnt this just give them the free reign to put anything in the shop? Because if its fine as long as people are able to play the game...that will mean that they could do nearly everything and anyone that would complain would be a whiner. So if you can still get PVE gear through raiding and they at the same time put something similiar in this, it would still be fine, because people could still raid without it.

(Also if we are nitpicky, if someone is a mount/pet/glamour collector the cash shop does hinder them, because if they want to collect every single one of them but dont want to pay money, they simply cant. They could have every single mount in the game but could not still have a complete collection because of the cash shop ones.)

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I think you're jumping the gun here and exaggerating the severity of things just a tad. Furthermore, it's SE's product, it's not ours. They're free to do whatever they want with it whether we like it or not and that's not going to change. Companies don't have to give you a reason or explain in great detail every time they change something. The items in the mog station do not and have not ever hindered anyone from playing or getting through the base game. They're just added fluff and luxuries for people's collection, nothing more than that. They're impulse buys.

When you're paying a sub fee, you are paying for the express right to merely just access the game and it's world at large. That's it. It's simple logic.

Pay sub money = be able to play the game

Don't pay sub money = cannot login to play the game

A sub fee has never meant that you're entitled towards having everything else they do for free. And yes, that's being incredibly nitpicking and whining for the other half....mounts, glamour, and minions are rewards and luxuries to please you...they don't stop you from completing content or the main story and until that happens, it is just whining. It's not anyone else's fault but your own that you HAVE to have everything or you'll go nuts.

Do the prices suck? Absolutely.

Is this game breaking and hindering? Absolutly not.

Does the red hare play a unique song or is it the generic music also Does anyone have a gif of the emote. (Pls don’t hurt me ranty peeps I am just curious ;w; )

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I think you're jumping the gun here and exaggerating the severity of things just a tad. Furthermore, it's SE's product, it's not ours. They're free to do whatever they want with it whether we like it or not and that's not going to change. Companies don't have to give you a reason or explain in great detail every time they change something. The items in the mog station do not and have not ever hindered anyone from playing or getting through the base game. They're just added fluff and luxuries for people's collection, nothing more than that. They're impulse buys.

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Yes I used a extreme example but did anyone of us truly believed a few years ago that we would have such a huge cash shop and that we would lose our veteran rewards (one mount since then was all we got..), that we get jump potions or that we soon will have an app that has a sub fee + coins in it? I honestly did not. I believed that there would be at least some borders that they would not cross but thanks to quite some decisions I honestly can see them doing much worse then its right now. And with your argument you give them free reigns to do exactly that.

Its their product but a product is useless if nobody buys it anymore. So no they cant do whatever they want with it because there will be a time where even you and others will say "its enough". And then it will be hard or even impossible to get the good will back. Honestly I have learned enough in my study that money alone is not the most important aspect for a company anymore. To survive on this market you need more than being greedy. Look at EA. They have ruined their reputation so much that people are completely skeptic about their games. They are still earning money but how much more could they make if people still believed in them?

The problem with "its only fluff items" is that the endgame of this game is owning fluff items. How many people are running a lot of stuff only for the rewards? Why could they not have put Sleipnir into the Odin trial? Or the carbuncles? Why do they had to land in the shop while people are already complaining about not having enough to do? When its the fluff items that play a big part in keeping lots of content alive, then it does hurt the game to just put certain items into the shop. Because each exclusive one could have been a ingame reward. (And lets not talk about the manderville costume..who could have been something for Hildibrand ingame)

In the end mount, pets and other stuff are important for quite some people. So they have the right to complain when something like that gets locked behind a pay wall again..exactly how people would have the right to complain if they lock other stuff behind the pay wall.

(And honestly I still find it funny to read some posts here that state how its just luxus items and its fine that they are in there, but at the same time some of these people also posted against the app fee and the coins. x) I am not saying that one could not have different views on these topics, but its interesting how the coins that are also theoretically not hindering you to play the game are a big No no for them, but cash shop is fine.)

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

Does the red hare play a unique song or is it the generic music also Does anyone have a gif of the emote. (Pls don’t hurt me ranty peeps I am just curious ;w; )

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No gif, but this guy does videos over the new stuff including a video of the emote. The mount has generic music.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

Does the red hare play a unique song or is it the generic music also Does anyone have a gif of the emote. (Pls don’t hurt me ranty peeps I am just curious ;w; )

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I have it already, and no, sadly, it doesn't. Still a cool mount though.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

The problem with "its only fluff items" is that the endgame of this game is owning fluff items. How many people are running a lot of stuff only for the rewards? Why could they not have put Sleipnir into the Odin trial? Or the carbuncles? Why do they had to land in the shop while people are already complaining about not having enough to do? When its the fluff items that play a big part in keeping lots of content alive, then it does hurt the game to just put certain items into the shop. Because each exclusive one could have been a ingame reward. (And lets not talk about the manderville costume..who could have been something for Hildibrand ingame)

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They have already spoke about this. There is a different team that handles the cash shop. Everything exclusive on Mogstation exists simply to turn a profit, and wouldn't exist otherwise. This isn't a SE exclusive practice either, most companies handle DLC and micro-transactions in a similar manner. If people refused to by DLC, those same companies wouldn't just put it back in the game. They'd scrap the whole thing entirely.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

(And honestly I still find it funny to read some posts here that state how its just luxus items and its fine that they are in there, but at the same time some of these people also posted against the app fee and the coins. x) I am not saying that one could not have different views on these topics, but its interesting how the coins that are also theoretically not hindering you to play the game are a big No no for them, but cash shop is fine.)

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Except they can absolutely be a hindrance. If those moggle coins aren't checked, rich people can destroy a server's economy. Not to mention, the premium server locks a much requested feature in moving inventory between retainers behind a paywall. Red Hare is literally nothing more than Sleipnir with a different aesthetic. So you aren't remotely comparing the same things.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Yes I used a extreme example but did anyone of us truly believed a few years ago that we would have such a huge cash shop and that we would lose our veteran rewards (one mount since then was all we got..), that we get jump potions or that we soon will have an app that has a sub fee + coins in it? I honestly did not. I believed that there would be at least some borders that they would not cross but thanks to quite some decisions I honestly can see them doing much worse then its right now. And with your argument you give them free reigns to do exactly that.

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Again, it's their game. And they'll say more than likely that if you don't like it then take a break or don't play it. They're not going to change their process, or at least, their financial advisors aren't going to care that you find their mog station practices unfair. Again, I think you're being paranoid and looking into things happening that aren't really there. The veteran rewards was just an idea to keep people staying subbed longer than they liked too, and quite honestly, it was a dumb idea. That's all it was....sub [X] amount of days to earn this, and considering that housing, at least if you own one, keeps your sub hostage for an indefinite amount of time so you don't lose it, the veteran rewards was unneeded. I've used the jump potions on my one retainer when I needed to change her gathering job at the time and considering how long it took her to get to 70, those are incredibly useful when you need to switch your retainers main job out for something else you need more.

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Its their product but a product is useless if nobody buys it anymore. So no they cant do whatever they want with it because there will be a time where even you and others will say "its enough". And then it will be hard or even impossible to get the good will back. Honestly I have learned enough in my study that money alone is not the most important aspect for a company anymore. To survive on this market you need more than being greedy. Look at EA. They have ruined their reputation so much that people are completely skeptic about their games. They are still earning money but how much more could they make if people still believed in them?

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They can. You don't make those calls that it's useless just because you find things about it that you don't agree with. You're not a spokesperson for everyone playing the game exactly. So, please don't try to speak for me or surmise what I would say or determine is enough. What you find useless, another may find it worth-whiled. If I ever drop my sub, it's not going to be because of cash shop fear mongering like you're doing, it'll be because I'm getting tired of repeating the same repetition over and over again in terms of their content. A company seeks to make as much money as possible to stay afloat, that's basic economics 101 with supply & demand. You're partially right that there's more towards the handling of a company than money, but this IS one of the main goals of any business: to make profits. A company cannot survive based on good will alone. You can be the most honest and down to earth company ever. But, if you're not meeting supply & demand or pushing your products effectively, making the right monetary business decisions, then you're dead in the water. You cannot survive based on a good reputation alone, if you're a non-profit? Possibly. But, an actual business with stocks, checks, and balances? No way. Otherwise, other companies will eat them alive like the sharks they are.

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The problem with "its only fluff items" is that the endgame of this game is owning fluff items. How many people are running a lot of stuff only for the rewards? Why could they not have put Sleipnir into the Odin trial? Or the carbuncles? Why do they had to land in the shop while people are already complaining about not having enough to do? When its the fluff items that play a big part in keeping lots of content alive, then it does hurt the game to just put certain items into the shop. Because each exclusive one could have been a ingame reward. (And lets not talk about the manderville costume..who could have been something for Hildibrand ingame)

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It's not hurting the game, it's only hurting you and the people who don't want to spend the money. That's it. If it were hurting the game, then we wouldn't be seeing so many people buying said items on their first release into the cash shop. You just don't want to pay for it with your own money, that's all there is to it. That's it. You are not entitled towards items for free by paying a sub fee if everyone else has to pay for the same item. You guys continue to say that it's not right, it's unfair, it's greedy, and yes some portions of it are greedy, but it's not going away so long as people keep buying it no matter how much you wish it was.

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In the end mount, pets and other stuff are important for quite some people. So they have the right to complain when something like that gets locked behind a pay wall again..exactly how people would have the right to complain if they lock other stuff behind the pay wall.

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You're right, they have their rights to complain. However, that's it. It's not SE's fault, it's not your fault, it's not my fault that there are people that have to HAVE everything. If it were that important to them, then they'd more than likely pay for it.

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(And honestly I still find it funny to read some posts here that state how its just luxus items and its fine that they are in there, but at the same time some of these people also posted against the app fee and the coins. x) I am not saying that one could not have different views on these topics, but its interesting how the coins that are also theoretically not hindering you to play the game are a big No no for them, but cash shop is fine.)

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Items in the Mog Station are just luxury items. They're impulse buys and extras that you don't REALLY need, but they're there if you WANT them. Again, with the companion app, you're making a strawmen comparison because that's not even the topic at hand here. You're deflecting off of the Mog Station for something that's not theoretically the same thing.

I can accept having paid extras, particularly if it's run by a separate team and "the items wouldn't exist if they weren't paid extras", but I do really wish the selling price was lower. Even if they charged the current higher prices for those who want the newest shiniest thing and then dropped it after a while.

As it currently exists, each set is just too expensive and I don't want to spend over $20 on one virtual item. I *may* after much hestitating (literally months) finally decide to buy ONE item. On sale. And still feel like it's too expensive.

Price them at $5 or even $10 and I probably would have spent that amount of money by now, because "it's only $5" each time. SE would have spent the same amount of money creating them, gotten the same amount of money out of me (potentially more if I then have to hire a retainer to store the additional items!) but I'd be happier about what I got out of it. Multiply that by however many other customers are more willing to part with their money.

Do they really make more money, comparatively, out of the smaller amount of people willing to pay the current high prices?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Do they really make more money, comparatively, out of the smaller amount of people willing to pay the current high prices?

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There are mounts costing 30 bucks. I know people who buy stuff like that and resubs just to try on the item. There are people who pay that twice, thrice, because of their alts. I can't say if it is a lot, but in times where content dries quickly and mindless stuff like Pagos is the highlight of the month... one mount + new set of clothes + one resub would cover for people who is not resubing. At the rate they are putting stuff on the cash shop, gotta be working.

Just my opinion: I'm not a big fan, considering the cost (higher than a sub), how faster the cash shop gets stuff when they implemented Achievement Points and we have nothing to spend it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Except they can absolutely be a hindrance. If those moggle coins aren't checked, rich people can destroy a server's economy. Not to mention, the premium server locks a much requested feature in moving inventory between retainers behind a paywall. Red Hare is literally nothing more than Sleipnir with a different aesthetic. So you aren't remotely comparing the same things.

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The thing is though, that different people see different things as important. If you dont care about the market or inventory, the app and its coins should not be a problem, the same how its no problem for those that just see cash shop items as pure luxus items. But a crafter will hate that more inventory space and MB control is locked behind the coins and fee and a collector, who might be mainly playing the game to collect pets, mounts and other collectable, will probably hate to have to pay real money if they want it all. Thus it can affect people on both sides. Thus my post about how somehow people should not complain here and should just accept it but its fine to complain about coins.

My point is: Let everyone complain about what they want. Even if its SE decision and even if we cant do much against it.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

They can. You don't make those calls that it's useless just because you find things about it that you don't agree with. You're not a spokesperson for everyone playing the game exactly. So, please don't try to speak for me or surmise what I would say or determine is enough.

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Where exactly did I speak for you in that post? I simply pointed out that everyone will have a point where it gets enough. I did not even say what would be the point that it would be enough, just that everyone has one. (Heck its not even about something in the mog station but could be content or something that is the breaking point) Maybe some can agree to nearly everything a company does but even those have a breaking line. And thats my point: You are fine with how it is and dont see much of a problem with it. But others are not. For them the line is already overdone or maybe near it and they might want to voice their opinion to stop more from happening, because again there are companies out there that are doing a lot that is just pure greed and yet even those had gotten that much backlash that they stopped part of their plans. But it should never come that far.

Also if its hurting people like me and we are kinda paying a sub fee and might stop paying this fee then this hurts the game. Because if enough people stop paying the fee then this can get bad quite fast. I dont want this to happen because I do enjoy quite the parts of the game thus I and probably other do point out things that could change. And honestly dropping the prices or giving us the event items back into the game would also hurt none of us players either.

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Where exactly did I speak for you in that post? I simply pointed out that everyone will have a point where it gets enough. I did not even say what would be the point that it would be enough, just that everyone has one. (Heck its not even about something in the mog station but could be content or something that is the breaking point).

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Right here exactly. You're speaking for me that a company can't do what they want because there will be a time that I'll say it's enough. They still can, it does not matter what I think or you think. They still can and once I don't find the game quite as fun as I used to, I'll just leave quietly. That's the end result, a company can do whatever they want whether you find it immoral or not. They're not obligated to please you or me 100%, 24/7, 7 days a week.

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So no they cant do whatever they want with it because there will be a time where even you and others will say "its enough".

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Maybe some can agree to nearly everything a company does but even those have a breaking line. And thats my point: You are fine with how it is and dont see much of a problem with it. But others are not. For them the line is already overdone or maybe near it and they might want to voice their opinion to stop more from happening, because again there are companies out there that are doing a lot that is just pure greed and yet even those had gotten that much backlash that they stopped part of their plans. But it should never come that far.

Also if its hurting people like me and we are kinda paying a sub fee and might stop paying this fee then this hurts the game. Because if enough people stop paying the fee then this can get bad quite fast. I dont want this to happen because I do enjoy quite the parts of the game thus I and probably other do point out things that could change. And honestly dropping the prices or giving us the event items back into the game would also hurt none of us players either.

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The people who are against the cash shop are more than likely a drop in the bucket for subs compared towards the rest of the playerbase that either doesn't care or doesn't have a problem with it and the ones that actually like it. The ones that don't like it mostly gravitate towards the forum which isn't a clear indication of anything. They probably look at the numbers of people buying over the numbers of people not buying, and I'm sure, considering that more things get pushed into the cash shop that the numbers for buying are much higher than the opposition.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Right here exactly. You're speaking for me that a company can't do what they want because there will be a time that I'll say it's enough. They still can, it does not matter what I think or you think. They still can and once I don't find the game quite as fun as I used to, I'll just leave quietly. That's the end result, a company can do whatever they want whether you find it immoral or not. They're not obligated to please you or me 100%, 24/7, 7 days a week.

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And leaving quietly is the worse thing that can happen to a company. Thats why they even have a screen that read that a complaint is worth way more than a compliment. Because if they have them they can at least change (if they want to). Anyway if one is fine with the cash shop that fine but if someone is not fine then it should be fine too if they complain about it. Even if it might not change something. (But it honestly also doesnt hurt anyone either if someone does complain)