Should items previously tied to physical purchases become available in-game again?

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

People are saying the moogle attire was marketed as exclusive for attending a particular fanfest, but it ended up on mog station anyway. If it is true that it was marketed as exclusive to that fanfest, then that very dangerous precedent has already been set. And that is the worrying thing. I think Lightning's attire was also marketed as exclusive for a particular event, but went on mog station too. That is a problem, and I think the only way to address it would be to file a class action lawsuit against Square Enix. But you can bet those who dared try it would be found and banned from the game permanently for costing SE money with a lawsuit.

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About that...

http://i.imgur.com/1i0euKL.png

Just for emphasis on it’s exclusivity, they highlighted the “exclusive” part.

It was a **** move for them to sell it after the fact.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

People are saying the moogle attire was marketed as exclusive for attending a particular fanfest, but it ended up on mog station anyway. If it is true that it was marketed as exclusive to that fanfest, then that very dangerous precedent has already been set. And that is the worrying thing. I think Lightning's attire was also marketed as exclusive for a particular event, but went on mog station too. That is a problem, and I think the only way to address it would be to file a class action lawsuit against Square Enix. But you can bet those who dared try it would be found and banned from the game permanently for costing SE money with a lawsuit.

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I don't recall the Lightning attire as being specifically advertised as "exclusive" and, to be fair, unlike the Moogle Attire, players did not have to spend a cent beyond their subscription fee in order to get it. It was an in-game event that provided the gear. Lightning Attire needs to be considered in the same category as holiday event items, really, and those go into the Mogstation like clockwork every year.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

About that...

http://i.imgur.com/1i0euKL.png

Just for emphasis on it’s exclusivity, they highlighted the “exclusive” part.

It was a **** move for them to sell it after the fact.

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welp, solves that, outside 1.0 stuff yes everything should be on the mog station, locking an emote behind 125 euro statue is plain wrong.

I'm of the opinion that if something is advertised as an exclusive bonus from an item, pre-order, CE purchase, fan fest, etc, it should not make a reappearance later on. That was your extra bonus for spending additional cash outside of this game.

As someone who tends to buy CE versions of games for the sole purpose of the bonus minions/mounts/outfits, it would annoy me greatly if they started selling those items separately after the fact. No one likes to feel like they got suckered into buying something for a more expensive price. If I could just buy a base version of a game and then pick up the additional items for cheap later on? I'd totally do that. But that should be something advertised from the start. Don't be switching things up after the fact.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

People are saying the moogle attire was marketed as exclusive for attending a particular fanfest, but it ended up on mog station anyway. If it is true that it was marketed as exclusive to that fanfest, then that very dangerous precedent has already been set.

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Well, the items from the Lightning event were labeled as exclusives within the game itself (under a special/exclusive tab in the armoire) for years after the event. I think it may have been labeled differently elsewhere though, so that’s up to interpretation.

Not sure how they were referred to in the event announcements, but I do recall the word “exclusive” used in the ads for the moogle attire in relation to that particular fan fest and stream. That precedent has been reached, and I hate to say it like this, but I’m still bitter. Not nearly as likely to buy into the next.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

welp, solves that, outside 1.0 stuff yes everything should be on the mog station

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There is a saying “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” A crap load of wrongs isn’t any better.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

locking an emote behind 125 euro statue is plain wrong.

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Most people, including myself would agree that they ae really pushing it with that. Regardless of my feelings on it, and yours too, they sold it as a limited time offer item. That time has passed and it’s no longer available. You had a chance to buy it just like everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

There is a saying “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” A crap load of wrongs isn’t any better.



Most people, including myself would agree that they ae really pushing it with that. Regardless of my feelings on it, and yours too, they sold it as a limited time offer item. That time has passed and it’s no longer available. You had a chance to buy it just like everyone else.

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it would be 3 wrongs then, and I do not know a saying on that.
I do not agree with "exclusive in game items" attached to limited one time thing, that is how scams start off in general, so people feel more pressured in buying something they do not want to. I said what I said because I do not agree to the exclusive item thing, but I felt some on here support such a thing so I wanted more weight of an argument in why everything should be in mog station after a set time. (save 1.0 stuff, that is a whole different situation, since there was no original intent in having that situation anyway)

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

it would be 3 wrongs then, and I do not know a saying on that.
I do not agree with "exclusive in game items" attached to limited one time thing, that is how scams start off in general, so people feel more pressured in buying something they do not want to. I said what I said because I do not agree to the exclusive item thing, but I felt some on here support such a thing so I wanted more weight of an argument in why everything should be in mog station after a set time. (save 1.0 stuff, that is a whole different situation, since there was no original intent in having that situation anyway)

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And that’s fine.

For things released after they disclose what the waiting period is for those items prior to introducing unlimited distribution either through the MogStation or in game.

Old items that were released prior to that change? Go fish.

Well that's interesting... they even highlighted the exclusivity there.

Did anyone go to Fanfest PURELY to get the moogle outfit and with the idea in mind that only those fanfest-attendees could get it? If you did, are you upset that it's now available 3 years later?

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Just for emphasis on it’s exclusivity, they highlighted the “exclusive” part.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Well that's interesting... they even highlighted the exclusivity there.

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I don't believe they (as in SE) did. If you look at it, it's clearly been edited to highlight the exclusive sentence and it doesn't properly cover the letters. My guess is that whoever uploaded that image originally did it.

https://imgur.com/KTl5LJZ.png

But the point is still valid that SE made something exclusive then went back on it, regardless of who highlighted it.

This is the handy work of this forum:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-Mog-Station

Are we going to put S/E in a dilema where if they listen to us, it is corporate greed, but if they don't listen to us, it is they dont't care about the community?

My conclusion?
OP, Feast Reward is not only an exclusive item, it is also a trophy.
It should never be available again

technically most if not all of the physical item tie in's were advertised as exclusive and limited which means they definitely shouldn't be made available again.
they could do similar things though

same deal with feast seasonal rewards, they were advertised as exclusive
why the least liked part of the least played aspect of the game gets so much special attention is perhaps another conversation entirely

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Previously, there were exclusive items that were tied to purchases made outside of the game. Many of these things aren't available anymore or their codes have expired.

For those that were late to the party, what do you say to them -- tough luck? Or would you like the opportunity for players to be able to get them in-game again?

(For the purpose of this discussion, I won't say make them available on Mog Station because that's a whole other can of worms I don't want to open).

Examples include:
- The Goobue, tattoo and Chocobo barding from 1.0 (a 2.0 pre-order? I don't know)
- The carbuncle plushes
- The mail moogle
- The Odin Zantetsuken emote
(and in time, things like the Shiva emote, Nidhogg minion, Hraesvelgr minion)

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The 1.0 Tattoo and the 1.0 Chocobo should never become available except to players that played 1.0. This is less of a "I got mine" and more of a "I played 1.0 and lived to tell the tale." I don't know about the Goobue as I wasn't aware of the requirements for it.

Everything else that was not exclusive to that version of the game (eg I remember the 1.0 preorder items that I COULD NOT REDEEM, and henceforth have been rather ticked off about pre-order bonuses from SE ever since) may as well come back as they were bonus items that you didn't actually pay more for. I'm sure there's quite a few people who played 1.0 and wished that they had remembered to migrate their character.

Anyway.

All other things, that are event items, or physical purchase tie ins, they should either come back by having the event re-played that gave them, or they should be purchasable from the Mog station if you really-really want them immediately. Some items I believe were only available due to physically going to where where SE had setup a booth at a convention, and that's rather unfair to players who can't go to them (really, at $300/night not to mention entry costs, do you really want to spend around $1000 to go to a convention to pick up a $25 plush?)

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Some items I believe were only available due to physically going to where where SE had setup a booth at a convention, and that's rather unfair to players who can't go to them (really, at $300/night not to mention entry costs, do you really want to spend around $1000 to go to a convention to pick up a $25 plush?)

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This is the type of stuff that bothers me, but on the other end of the argument. If people spent $1000 to be at an event that was selling exclusive items, or if their ticket included a code for an exclusive item, then they are the ones who deserve it.

Yeaaars ago, I went to a XI fan-fest just to get the item. I'm sure for most people, the "exclusive item" is just a cherry on top, but for me is was the only reason I went in the first place. Thankfully it was local, so just gas and the ticket were my only cost. But still, these things do have a value to some people.

Someone else in this thread mentioned buying the statues for the emotes alone. How upset would they be if SE's plan was to start selling the emote by itself for $12 on the cash shop? That's a wee bit shady, and bound to lose the trust of some players.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Someone else in this thread mentioned buying the statues for the emotes alone. How upset would they be if SE's plan was to start selling the emote by itself for $12 on the cash shop? That's a wee bit shady, and bound to lose the trust of some players.

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I will not begrude someone who wants to spend the money to go to the fanfests, but you have to realize that the only people who can actually go to them live nearby (eg for the Japan and Europe fanfests), or it was not unreasonable to go by car (Las Vegas is not an unreasonable trip as all major cities have direct flights there, but it is not cheap at all) but it's not like Japan where you can take a train there and come back in one day.

Like making these items available after 24 months is not unreasonable, or after the next major content patch. The only items that I feel would be upsetting to players would be the 1.0 tattoo and maybe anything that came with the original 2.0/3.0/4.0 preorder, since those items basically say "I paid for ARR/HW/SB", but they could always be had later by purchasing the upgrade on mogstation anyway. So by making it available in the shop has the unintended consequence of people never buying the pre-orders in the future.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

This is the type of stuff that bothers me, but on the other end of the argument. If people spent $1000 to be at an event that was selling exclusive items, or if their ticket included a code for an exclusive item, then they are the ones who deserve it.

Someone else in this thread mentioned buying the statues for the emotes alone. How upset would they be if SE's plan was to start selling the emote by itself for $12 on the cash shop? That's a wee bit shady, and bound to lose the trust of some players.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

it would be 3 wrongs then, and I do not know a saying on that.
I do not agree with "exclusive in game items" attached to limited one time thing, that is how scams start off in general, so people feel more pressured in buying something they do not want to. I said what I said because I do not agree to the exclusive item thing, but I felt some on here support such a thing so I wanted more weight of an argument in why everything should be in mog station after a set time. (save 1.0 stuff, that is a whole different situation, since there was no original intent in having that situation anyway)

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People are free to be upset about that, this is why SE should not be doing it in the first place. It should be a SIDE bonus (I/e you are getting it for free because you want to do the main object) but that side bonus should not be locked from getting main object in question. In other words I have no issue with giving you a free mog station item for going to the convention or buying a 140 statue, but that side content that was free should be made available to everyone.

You are neglecting not just costs, some people simply can't travel due to disability and such, I guess what I am saying is, SE really should start putting these side bonuses the same time you can get them for "free".

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The 1.0 Tattoo and the 1.0 Chocobo should never become available except to players that played 1.0. This is less of a "I got mine" and more of a "I played 1.0 and lived to tell the tale." I don't know about the Goobue as I wasn't aware of the requirements for it.

Everything else that was not exclusive to that version of the game (eg I remember the 1.0 preorder items that I COULD NOT REDEEM, and henceforth have been rather ticked off about pre-order bonuses from SE ever since) may as well come back as they were bonus items that you didn't actually pay more for. I'm sure there's quite a few people who played 1.0 and wished that they had remembered to migrate their character.

Anyway.

All other things, that are event items, or physical purchase tie ins, they should either come back by having the event re-played that gave them, or they should be purchasable from the Mog station if you really-really want them immediately. Some items I believe were only available due to physically going to where where SE had setup a booth at a convention, and that's rather unfair to players who can't go to them (really, at $300/night not to mention entry costs, do you really want to spend around $1000 to go to a convention to pick up a $25 plush?)

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parts of your post just resonate with me lol
I had a 1.0 character and at the time ARR launched was like... I don't want to start basically a new game with everyone already pre-established and rich and leveled.
and nowadays i go back once in a while and look at that tattoo on character creation and drop a single tear XD

for conventions though i don't think there was anything exactly like your saying. It was either "kill this primal and we'll put an npc in game for a month selling a special earring" or you could buy a stream of the convention and get the same reward as attending

Oh, I wasn't talking about feast, but the talk about rewards there made me wonder about other things that are exclusive or things that are no longer being made...like I couldn't get the Odin emote now even if I wanted to. Therefore I posed the question, should things like that be made available in game after the fact?

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Oh, I wasn't talking about feast, but the talk about rewards there made me wonder about other things that are exclusive or things that are no longer being made...like I couldn't get the Odin emote now even if I wanted to. Therefore I posed the question, should things like that be made available in game after the fact?

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No.

It was sold as a limited exclusive. They should not go back on that.

Do what you say and say what you do.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Someone else in this thread mentioned buying the statues for the emotes alone. How upset would they be if SE's plan was to start selling the emote by itself for $12 on the cash shop? That's a wee bit shady, and bound to lose the trust of some players.

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I have the Shiva statue. If they eventually put the emote on the Mogstation two years later, I couldn't care less. I bought the statue because I wanted it. And while the emote was a nice perk, I do not begrudge other people getting it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I have the Shiva statue. If they eventually put the emote on the Mogstation two years later, I couldn't care less. I bought the statue because I wanted it. And while the emote was a nice perk, I do not begrudge other people getting it.

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Seems you've missed my point.

For a lot of people, the minion/emote/mount is the reason they end up buying a $150 statue, or a $40 stuffed animal, or a $30 livestream pass, or maybe that $200 collector's edition. So lets say SE starts selling the "exclusive items" that were previously only available through some overpriced item for $7 - $25 on the cash shop. You're going to have a lot of pissed off people who essentially greatly overpaid for an item, and that would probably come into play when deciding whether or not to purchase another promotional item.

Exclusive items are a massive selling point, and a very common sales tactic. It's also why limited time offers work. People don't want to miss their chance at obtaining a new shiny item, and so they will often jump at purchasing a marked-up product. For the company to turn around later on and start selling that exclusive add-on is a bit underhanded.

Now, if they openly state that their new policy is to release the exclusive items on the cash shop in a year's time, I personally would have no qualms about that. Those who want it now can spend the extra cash while the patient ones can wait for the cash shop release.

tl;dr: I really don't give a rat's ass if people have the same items as me. I do however care about people being taken advantage of with higher prices by claiming something is exclusive, and then releasing it to the masses for far cheaper later on.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Seems you've missed my point.

For a lot of people, the minion/emote/mount is the reason they end up buying a $150 statue, or a $40 stuffed animal, or a $30 livestream pass, or maybe that $200 collector's edition. So lets say SE starts selling the "exclusive items" that were previously only available through some overpriced item for $7 - $25 on the cash shop. You're going to have a lot of pissed off people who essentially greatly overpaid for an item, and that would probably come into play when deciding whether or not to purchase another promotional item.

Exclusive items are a massive selling point, and a very common sales tactic. It's also why limited time offers work. People don't want to miss their chance at obtaining a new shiny item, and so they will often jump at purchasing a marked-up product. For the company to turn around later on and start selling that exclusive add-on is a bit underhanded.

Now, if they openly state that their new policy is to release the exclusive items on the cash shop in a year's time, I personally would have no qualms about that. Those who want it now can spend the extra cash while the patient ones can wait for the cash shop release.

tl;dr: I really don't give a rat's ass if people have the same items as me. I do however care about people being taken advantage of with higher prices by claiming something is exclusive, and then releasing it to the masses for far cheaper later on.

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They are overpaying, that is my point, SE shouldn't be doing this tactics to begin with. It is psychology exploitation, I do not know why people fall for it with that mindset. It is supposed to be a free side bonus, not "exclusive" Plus is it a digital thing anyway, in the end it is not real. It does not hold the same weight as making a physical collector item.

Bourne_Endeavor did have a proper reply to your post.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

tl;dr: I really don't give a rat's ass if people have the same items as me. I do however care about people being taken advantage of with higher prices by claiming something is exclusive, and then releasing it to the masses for far cheaper later on.

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This why you tend to not be an early adopter especially in gaming where waiting 6 months gets you every thing that people over paid for, take Final Fantasy 15 Windows Edition people had pay for a season pass & more for original but those who waited/pc got all that for the base price. It's price you pay to be the first to be able to show it off for first 6 months - year."personally don't want legacy stuff, the tattoo is hot trash & mount well goob in beast tribe is barely different".

If Square bring back the rewards from physical people will whinge for a few days & get over it.

I actually wouldn't mind if emotes and minions were sold separately in conjunction to them being a added on to physical items like statues. Like take the odin statue as an example. You can buy the statue and get the emote for free on top of it and they could sell it separately at say like 12 dollars. I really want the yotsuyu minion but i just can't see myself buying a book I would hardly use just to get it. ;/

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Seems you've missed my point.

For a lot of people, the minion/emote/mount is the reason they end up buying a $150 statue, or a $40 stuffed animal, or a $30 livestream pass, or maybe that $200 collector's edition. So lets say SE starts selling the "exclusive items" that were previously only available through some overpriced item for $7 - $25 on the cash shop. You're going to have a lot of pissed off people who essentially greatly overpaid for an item, and that would probably come into play when deciding whether or not to purchase another promotional item.

Exclusive items are a massive selling point, and a very common sales tactic. It's also why limited time offers work. People don't want to miss their chance at obtaining a new shiny item, and so they will often jump at purchasing a marked-up product. For the company to turn around later on and start selling that exclusive add-on is a bit underhanded.

Now, if they openly state that their new policy is to release the exclusive items on the cash shop in a year's time, I personally would have no qualms about that. Those who want it now can spend the extra cash while the patient ones can wait for the cash shop release.

tl;dr: I really don't give a rat's ass if people have the same items as me. I do however care about people being taken advantage of with higher prices by claiming something is exclusive, and then releasing it to the masses for far cheaper later on.

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How did I miss your post? I simply disagree.

I also think you are placing far too big an emphasise on the amount of people who purchased a $150 statue just for the emote. In fact, if that were true regarding the plushies and OSTs, they would not have stopped tying exclusive minions to all their merchandise. Evidently, it didn't boost sales or why cave to customer complaints? More and more games have actually moved away from these tactics due to the sheer backlash. Overwatch outright acknowledged exclusive content only angered their fanbase. People more fall victim to wanting things first than caring whether it remains exclusive years later. We needs only look to the Moogle outfit. Very few people seemed bothered here or on reddit. Why? They had it for two years.

Now will some care? Absolutely. The PvP forums is littered with back and forth fighting over this very subject. Will most? I, personally, doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

We needs only look to the Moogle outfit. Very few people seemed bothered here or on reddit. Why? They had it for two years.

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I picked up the moogle costume from the JP fanfest stream, when you had to go jumping through all those hoops to register on the JP site. The cost of the stream was 1,500 yen, or $14. Mogstation now sells the costume for $12.

This is why I personally am not up in arms over this. There was a minimal difference in pricing, which is my main concern with them starting to sell these bonus items.