New 12 dollar emote should have been a Eureka reward!

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Meanwhile you're ignoring that putting things in-game might just make them less accessible. Just look at the backlash for the awards for PvP - it's in game! It's free! And it's available to only a handful of the playerbase.

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I never said that all cash shop stuff should disappeared from cash shop.
SE is enough hungry for always more money... it would never happen, and, i am sad to think cash shop will never stop

I just say "in cash shop AND in game"
the way i said (included 10 time ultimate coil... not reserved to 1% and when we will be lvl 80 or 90 everyone would be able to get it...) was example. there is MANY way to add this... with millions GPS, hundred millions gils, million anemos cristals etc etc. (i take random example)


BTW i really prefer the top100 PvP exclusivity than the cash shop exclusivity...

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Originally Posted by Derio

And hope all 12 dollars goes towards the funding of the next expansion( Even though I know it wont)

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Watch them make a Final Fantasy Pachinko game with it.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The one thing I'll maybe agree with you in the cash shop is the skip potions because that's the closest you're going to get to P2W. But even that only gets you so far and it's not like it'll help you in Ultimate.

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Yeah, and even then it's a bit of a stretch. You still have to clear Stormblood and level to 70. It's more of a "pay to catch up faster" kind of thing.

You know... I've left all Free to Play MMO to enter in the Sub based MMO to not bother with cash shop. I know that most of the time that I see something really cool, I ask what is it, and I get a "it's a cash shop item". These moments remembers me of the free to play MMO times.

I've come to this sub based MMO to be equal with everyone that pays the sub, and not to be induced to "buy cash shop item to be cool as the cash shop users".

I feel that cash shop needs to have only past event unique itens, and not exclusive cash shop new ones, it's the most fair thing for me. They can add good events, so that they can add the same good item to the cash shop after the event end.

I feel worried about the current situation of the cash shop, where they're adding more and more itens that we can't get in-game by playing.
It just echoes into my mind "the future will be worse"...

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

If we have a cash shop that can compete with some of F2P cash shop, and if you think the subscription doesnt mean that cash shop stuff should at least be also avaible ingame

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I think this is the point of digression for most players. Most people know that the sub we pay is just ACCESS to SE's game FFxiv. You'll know this very quickly when you screw up and get your account banned like myself and many others have had to face. You're not paying for the game and its content, just the literal access to it.

Everything else we get, like content updates, hotfixes, patches, a primarily bug-free game, are all bonus to the access fee we have to pay.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

Everything else we get, like content updates, hotfixes, patches, a primarily bug-free game, are all bonus to the access fee we have to pay.

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Yes, the same with wow before the cash shop
the same with FFXI
the same with so much sub MMORPG before them.

I know i pay to access a service. I know i dont even own my character. and if i buy sleipnir, i dont own it, i am just able to use it. The whole FFXIV cash shop dont allow anyone to won anything.

But if those i said was able to have only a subscription... why WoW or FFXIV do need cash shop?
Why FFXIV needs a cash shop that looks, each month, even more close to Electronic Arts way to do?

We did mistake allowing this.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

But if those i said was able to have only a subscription... why WoW or FFXIV do need cash shop?
Why FFXIV needs a cash shop that looks, each month, even more close to Electronic Arts way to do?

We did mistake allowing this.

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because none of these are tied to any actual progression, save for the job potions, which are no REAL advantage to anyone.

to make FFxiv like EA, they would have to charge us for materials used to upgrade the BiS weapons that only have, say, <5% chance of working successfully. Or put lootboxes on the cash shop that randomly drop super expensive materials that would be used in crafting/upgrading the BiS weapons in the game.

That's how a lot of korean MMOs work so we've got ways to go before we're even close to EA.

you speak just about the form...
EA like SE considers players like cash cow to drain, more and more.
EA dont try to hide it.
SE make sweet smiles, and some "we love you" shitty message to cover the reality...

When i see BDO cash shop and FFXIV cash shop. it is clearly the second one that makes me vomit. Because, one is there (at least at part) to pay the game, pay the devs, the servers, the other is only to make more and more cash... Cash to pay the FFVII HD, not even to help FFXIV...

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

you speak just about the form...
EA like SE considers players like cash cow to drain, more and more.
EA dont try to hide it.
SE make sweet smiles, and some "we love you" shitty message to cover the reality...

When i see BDO cash shop and FFXIV cash shop. it is clearly the second one that makes me vomit. Because, one is there (at least at part) to pay the game, pay the devs, the servers, the other is only to make more and more cash... Cash to pay the FFVII HD, not even to help FFXIV...

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It is call a business for a reason and spending cash is up to the consumer. Why do people lack the most basic of concepts to any service and can't gasp that they are there to make money,it is not a charity service. Blaming the company is just childish to begin with. Also if you think about it, what does the 12 Dollar emote have to do with Eureka in the first place?

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Why do people lack the most basic of concepts to any service and can't gasp that they are there to make money,it is not a charity service. Blaming the company is just childish to begin with.

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All companies are not like EA, Konami or SE.
i would prefer SE on a good way, with more respect (lets speak about warframe that did abandon a really lucrativ thing in cash shop because they thought it was finally disrepectfull to their customers?)

SE has to get money, as any company, but they could respect customer. . .

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

All companies are not like EA, Konami or SE.
i would prefer SE on a good way, with more respect (lets speak about warframe that did abandon a really lucrativ thing in cash shop because they thought it was finally disrepectfull to their customers?)

SE has to get money, as any company, but they could respect customer. . .

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So far I've yet to really have any issues with SE that is in game related, their shipping department from SE store is something they could work on. However I don't think they hide anything from us. Everything is stated in their terms of use, IF people ever read the thing things would make more sense, those who read it can find loop wholes. Cash shop items are no different people just get trigger happy and by pass important information. The name Cash cow is something that most consumer label themselves voluntarily, when they don't agree with a business to slender them, or have found a great project which brings in large revenue. Yes I am a consumer, and I don't mind being a cash cow if the service rendered is being provided. However some of us "cash cows" don't want to take responsibility for our decisions and right away find shelter blaming a company. SE is one of the few companies that I really have had zero issues with, GM's handle my complains right away, and tech support is really good as well. True timing could improve however when you think about it it makes sense that they can take time to get to you. I mean most people don't read the terms of use and the answers are right there.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

SE is enough hungry for always more money... it would never happen, and, i am sad to think cash shop will never stop

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If SE didn't want more money, they wouldn't be making games in the first place.

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the way i said (included 10 time ultimate coil... not reserved to 1% and when we will be lvl 80 or 90 everyone would be able to get it...) was example.

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Your conditions are equal to leaving it only in the Mog shop because of how few people would actually achieve those conditions. If SE does do what you say, it'll be for no reason other than to tell us that we CAN get it in the game, see? While it's not really a viable alternative to 99% of the population so why even bother, just leave it only in the mog shop and be honest about it.

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there is MANY way to add this... with millions GPS, hundred millions gils, million anemos cristals etc etc. (i take random example)

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And so many people will never reach those conditions and instead pay the money (or not bother at all) and we're back to the same situation.

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BTW i really prefer the top100 PvP exclusivity than the cash shop exclusivity...

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Something tells me you're only saying that because there was nothing you wanted locked behind PvP.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

If SE didn't want more money, they wouldn't be making games in the first place.

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Something tells me you're only saying that because there was nothing you wanted locked behind PvP.

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Cf what i said warframe, they make money with this game, they just cut part of the cash shop just to be correct to players.

Some things in PvP are quite interesting, and i wont try to get it, because i hate arena PvP. Like i liked the gladiator mount during WoW-Wotlk, and didnt do any arena match during the whole expansion.



BUT, look at what i said, and mainly what you answered.
even more that those are RANDOM NUMBERS, i did say high numbers because what the meaning making 10 million gils the 9 euros emote? it would be many emote not bought in cash shop, so it would clearly a simple "just, get it away from cash shop"
I would like cash shop to disappear but i know it will never happen. With high numbers (and Yoshida's team work to find how much) the cash shop would stay the best way to get it. but if you dont have money, they can farm and one day, have what they want.

I dont want those to be in easy access in game. in my mind, to many things are easy access in the game (all except things behind top100 pvp reward and ultimate coil... the ultimate will finish "easy" as we get more level and stuff). Seeing 1 euro cash shop = 10 million gils for the ingame way to get anything seems to me quite fair. (maybe more gils, not less)


I prefer top100 pvp exclusivity over cash shop exclusivity, because of the sub we already pay. But i dont say i want an easy way to get everything...

Would have made more sense as an Ultimate Coil reward.

Would have been nice to make it purchasable with achievement certificates.

-people cry about primal emotes as a BONUS for statues-
-no staute for bahamut but emote is sold-
-everyone still crys-

Plenty of emotes, mounts, minions, housing items and so on, are just handed out like candy.

"B-but the cool emotes shouldnt be in a cash shop, cash shops are bad"

If you want something bad enough, buy it or work for it.

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Originally Posted by Croweyes

Plenty of emotes, mounts, minions, housing items and so on, are just handed out like candy.

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I dont see why most of emote and other stuff are free IG could justify the cash shop...

Most of you speaks like there wasnt a subscription.

So here is 2 questions :
Do you think FFXIV should stay a subscription model ?
Why you think FFXIV is better with a subscription ?

Yes for new emotes.

No for cash shop.

I wouldn't say it SHOULD be a reward for Eureka, but it should be in game. We have a truckload of achievment points and nothing to do with them.

I think what bothers me the most is that they're focusing so much effort on luxury emotes (a 12 dollar emote compared to a 2 dollar one is luxury) instead of trying to fix Eureka. It feels like a slap in the face and an obvious mis-management of resources. I'm all for mog station items, but please fix the broken stuff first before you try to sell us accessories!

Everything you get "free" in this game has a cost. It literally costs hours of your life to "get". The fact you cannot equate time to money means you aren't aware of just how valuable your time is yet. You will never get any more and you cannot even know how much you have to spend.
12 dollars for the emote or a month of farming, stress and bad parties? 12 bucks please.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

I dont see why most of emote and other stuff are free IG could justify the cash shop...

Most of you speaks like there wasnt a subscription.

So here is 2 questions :
Do you think FFXIV should stay a subscription model ?
Why you think FFXIV is better with a subscription ?

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Yes. F2P models encourage companies to find sneaky ways to monetize. Nickle and diming their players to pieces. The current pay system means I pay my sub and I know for a fact I will have access to all patch content and story updates as long as I have purchased the expansions. If you pay attention to any f2p game you'll see there's ways to easily spend hundreds a month just on playing the game. Purchasing xp boosts, consumable items like pots and food buffs, and usually very temporary cosmetic add-ons. If you dig deeper they always have gameplay areas you're guaranteed to bump up against limits but IF you buy this item then it's so much more convenient! Fast travel tickets and such.

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Originally Posted by Rofel

Yes for new emotes.

No for cash shop.

I wouldn't say it SHOULD be a reward for Eureka, but it should be in game. We have a truckload of achievment points and nothing to do with them.

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While we do need more things to do with achievement points, cash shop items will never be purchasable with them since it's a whole different team and system. We did just get a few additions to the list though. The stuff is still flowing, at about the rate it used to come from veteran rewards in fact. Now we just get to choose which ones we want.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I think what bothers me the most is that they're focusing so much effort on luxury emotes (a 12 dollar emote compared to a 2 dollar one is luxury) instead of trying to fix Eureka. It feels like a slap in the face and an obvious mis-management of resources. I'm all for mog station items, but please fix the broken stuff first before you try to sell us accessories!

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once again, these are not the same teams working on these things. We lost nothing ingame by them implementing this emote.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

12 dollars for the emote or a month of farming, stress and bad parties? 12 bucks please.

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i don't know... i am already paying a monthly fee to play the game. and now i should pay again to not play the game this month? o.ô;

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oh, montly fee, or subscription... people seem to have a missunderstanding what they pay the fee for.

you don't pay the subscription for any content. you pay to access the servers. that's it.

all the content, every patch, is included in the main game and the expansions. i could stop paying my subscription for the next year, renew it then and bam i get all the content patches from the last year for "free".

The potato above is right!

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

I dont see why most of emote and other stuff are free IG could justify the cash shop...

Most of you speaks like there wasnt a subscription.

So here is 2 questions :
Do you think FFXIV should stay a subscription model ?
Why you think FFXIV is better with a subscription ?

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Didn't S/E just hand out three unqiue emotes to players recently?
They are trying to sell one emote that was tied to a statue that not really many player want it.
This does not justify your rage.
Mogstation is a lot better off than WoW's cash shop.
WoW cash shop is just bunch of re-skinned mounts or pets
S/E is not even close to the EA's level

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Originally Posted by Tint

all the content, every patch, is included in the main game and the expansions. i could stop paying my subscription for the next year, renew it then and bam i get all the content patches from the last year for "free".

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[HYPERBOLE]Until enough people start thinking like you, stop subscribing while waiting for 5.0, and then wonder why SE announced the game is shutting down due to lack of subscribers. [/HYPERBOLE]

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Originally Posted by Tint

i don't know... i am already paying a monthly fee to play the game. and now i should pay again to not play the game this month? o.ô;

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No, I'm still playing the rest of the game and enjoying it, I'm just not spending hours doing something I DON'T want simply because something I do want is locked behind hours and hours of stress.

I guess I'm also assuming this would have been in the game in the first place without the cash shop. Nope. So in this case I should have said : 12 dollars for a fancy emote, or no money for nothing. Those are the choices here.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

[HYPERBOLE]Until enough people start thinking like you, stop subscribing while waiting for 5.0, and then wonder why SE announced the game is shutting down due to lack of subscribers. [/HYPERBOLE]

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of course square is using the money from the subscriptions to make the content patches. or in other words: they use the money to provide a service wich you have already bought with the expansion.

what you pay for and what square use the money for are two different things ^^

but technically you get the expansion and the whole 4.x patch series and every content and stuff wich is included in these for like 40 bucks (or whatever it costs in $... in germany it's 45€).

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Mogstation is a lot better off than WoW's cash shop.
WoW cash shop is just bunch of re-skinned mounts or pets

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SO... because you can get the same model with different skin without paying for it, it is worst than a game when there is exclusivity so have to pay to have it...

So more you have reason to pay for anything, better the shop is. ok ok. interesting.

my rage is we pay a sub for the game, to pay each month the developpers, and we have to pay more and more, where except wow and FFXIV, all other MMORPG (only those before wow opened the pandora's box so...) didnt need the cash shop... the subscription did the work...
It did the work for about 5 years on WoW, 1 year on FF (yep... the cash shop was a little more than 1 year after FFXIV:ARR release, and the game already made good profit to SE)

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

SO... because you can get the same model with different skin without paying for it, it is worst than a game when there is exclusivity so have to pay to have it...

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You are raging on an emote that tied to a PvC figurine that S/E is no longer manufacturing?
What does that have to do with the subscription?
I can see people complain about it is being a little pricey, but there is always promotion sales.

Are you are going to rage on emotes attached to Shiva and Odin figurines too?
Your rage is not making sense at all.
S/E originally is just going to keep Maid't attire as JP region only exclusives because Seven-Eleven paid them to make the outfits.
It is English player base that literally begging S/E to port it on the mogstation.
Same goes many region locked outfits.
If S/E is that greedy like EA, we would see those outfits on mogstation right away.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are raging on an emote that tied to a PvC figurine that S/E is no longer manufacturing?

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hum... i never raged about this no... about the 9 euros / 12 dollars emote, (and globally about cash shop)

The FFXIV digital stuff bind to the physical shop is a fully different subject for me.

I don't mind having the cash shop and putting stuff in it I GUESS. But considering this is a sub game.... they really need to bring these prices down. I would accept $2 USD for the emote. $5 at the MOST. $12 is just shockingly ridiculous.... Same goes for outfits. I see no reason why they should be charging us $18 for exclusive mogstation outfits. I would accept $8 - 10 for this.

Mounts are ridiculous too! There's no way in hell that I'm spending ...what was it, $30 for account wide mounts? lol. Get outta here with that nonsense, SE.

Now, I DO spend money in the mog station even though I think the prices are ridiculous but as they keep putting out more and more stuff at these high prices, I'm starting to dig my heels in. A few expensive items are ok but they're really milking it at this point and we're not even seeing the benefits of the cash shop. We aren't getting better content, just more of the same. I want higher quality cutscenes - AT LEAST matching the quality of 1.0. I want better freaking textures. How hard is that? Come on. I want better graphics in general. I want better delivery. I don't even care if you can't make super new and refreshing content but at least put more focus on the aesthetics and delivery of that content. I'm getting really disappointed with this..

I typically only spend money in there when there is a sale. Very rarely do I buy anything, and usually it's just a stack of dye pots. Even then, it's not very often.

Would I like that $12 emote? Sure. Will I pay the full $12 for it? Nope, I can wait for a sale.

I do find $12 is pricey for an emote, but I also realized that i spend money on dumb thing like over priced bubble tea. (bunch of ice cubes, some tapioca, cheap tea, and some artificial chemicals for flavoring.)
Emote seems nice and it was used to be tied to a PvC figurine, so i guess i will leg it go this time and buy it tonight

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

hum... i never raged about this no... about the 9 euros / 12 dollars emote, (and globally about cash shop)

The FFXIV digital stuff bind to the physical shop is a fully different subject for me.

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This is the thing you have to understand.
This emote used to be tie with a PVC figurine.
This is also the sole reason emote will not be free from a business's perspective.
How are they going to explain to those who bought the figurine?
That is like lift a stone and smash on one's own toe

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

How are they going to explain to those who bought the figurine?

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They bought the fig for the fig no? not for emote

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

They bought the fig for the fig no? not for emote

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I sure hope so. Otherwise...I think they need to question their own priorities.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

They bought the fig for the fig no? not for emote

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To be honest, I highly doubt it.
Especially when FF14 bahamut is kind lack of its uniqueness comparing to FF10's Bahamut or FF7's Zero Bahamut.

edit: I haven't touch any EA published title after Battlefield 4 because I despite at this publisher's greed, practices, and their immoral principles. If S/E is really at the same level as EA, i will be first one out of the door.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

my rage

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I don't get what your beef is with the cash shop. If you don't want the stuff, DON'T BUY IT! It's that simple. The rest of us who have the money and want the items will continue to buy the things we want with or without you. I feel like you're complaining just to complain at this point.

Some people, myself included spend more than this at Starbucks every morning. This is a little high 7$ would have been better, but honestly it's only cosmetic, doesn't help me clear content I wouldn't otherwise, and it's par for the course for a business to sell shiny things to make money. Don't like it? Don't buy it simple as that. Not like your gameplay will change from not having it.

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Originally Posted by Nerfworthy

I don't get what your beef is with the cash shop.

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Because the cash shop is money sent not to make FFXIV better, the subscription is already there for this, THIS IS why we have a subscription...

but, you seems unable to read what you dont want to read, i go back with my 2 questions. Only one did answer (and thank you to say your mind Krotoan ;))

Do you think FFXIV should stay a subscription model ?
Why you think FFXIV is better with a subscription ?

Because, what you say now, for me, it is a good reason to go F2P, i did play various F2P, (and i speak really play, not going there for 2 or 3 month and leave, i mean mort 5-6 month+ ) some had really bad practices (hello gameforge to name one of worst... maybe worst) others were quite clean. GW2 except 1 or 2 fucking shit recently get a "better" cash shop (i admit those last month are not so clean... but after long time with a good one) than FFXIV. And if we watch to game different than MMORPG, we can see more really clean cash shop... in F2P

@divinemight : i know some people did buy statue and other thing from physical shop just for the minions/emote
BUT... even if i dislike this digital bonus on physical stuff, even if i liked the minions i had with soundtracks (and was sad when people said they really love one or other but cant afford the soundtrack prices...)
It is the silly people matter to buy a physical thing just to get a digital bonus included with.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

OK, but, why? dont we pay all same sub?

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No. I pay less as a Legacy player.