Tips for buying against Plot not yet available for purchase. 4.2 housing

Woo hoo finally figured out how to ignore forum people.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

Woo hoo finally figured out how to ignore forum people.

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Good approach best not to respond it can get you banned and what's the point some are on forums just to stir the pot.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

Better idea, remove the grandfathering that lets older players *keep* the entire wards they've purchased to free up more houses, keep the one house per server rule in place, and remove the random timers altogether.

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That would be logical.

I love this game but honestly when it comes to purchasing a house it feels like they took advice from a certain company that starts with a B and has a game that contains 3 letters the first starting with a W the second being a O and the third being a W. It just kinda reeks of the RNG vibe.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

Better idea, remove the grandfathering that lets older players *keep* the entire wards they've purchased to free up more houses, keep the one house per server rule in place, and remove the random timers altogether.

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That would be ex post facto enforcement, punishing players who were playing within the rules at the time by destroying all their hard work. I admit I think it's horrible that some players can own so many homes, but they were within their rights to do it at the time.

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Originally Posted by Rolien

That would be logical.

I love this game but honestly when it comes to purchasing a house it feels like they took advice from a certain company that starts with a B and has a game that contains 3 letters the first starting with a W the second being a O and the third being a W. It just kinda reeks of the RNG vibe.

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Only that Blizzard doesn't have limited housing that works in the favour of people already owning a house and literally pooping on the heads of newer players and those who have been trying for years to purchase a house. I forget which game gave Yoshi the idea of limited housing but it was a really poopy and terribly unfair idea since housing is required for certain areas of the game and not just something pretty to look at and show all your mates your creativity skills.

I don't get why it's not just a lottery.

Plot empties out.
24 hours during which people can sign up for the lottery.
After 24 hours a random person who signed up gets the house.

1) You just walk up to the plot and sign up for the lottery. No need to wait possibly 10+ hours. You can enjoy the game instead.
2) This is fair even if you're busy irl with work or don't want to wait throughout the entire night without sleep and most likely nothing to show for it.
3) Everyone literally has the same chance of getting the plot.
4) This would remove the problem/unfairness of bots.
5) This makes it difficult/impossible for people to sell plots to others.
6) If SE reeeaally wants relocating to get priority, they could give people that want to relocate 2 or 3 tickets in the lottery instead of 1 so they have a bit more chance.

I can't think of any con to this to be honest :|

Because SE will need to be fair to everyone, it there is going to be a lottery system it will be server wide. You odd would be from 1 against few into one against a server. Some server had more than 20,000 characters. It is an awful idea to begin with

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Originally Posted by Edax

That would be ex post facto enforcement, punishing players who were playing within the rules at the time by destroying all their hard work. I admit I think it's horrible that some players can own so many homes, but they were within their rights to do it at the time.

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I don't believe it would be a punishment. Is it a punishment when your armor needs upgrading when an expansion comes out and more levels are added? After all the hard work in raids spent on gear you now need to upgrade? I don't think so. I think limiting all accounts to one private and one FC house is a great idea. ( Accounts because ..alts!) Return their gil for the homes.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You shouldn't feel bad. Housing is more of a PvP mode than PvP itself. They had to wait, you had the option not to. No shame in that.

Whenever I was able to move out of the Goblet a couple weeks ago, I began looking around for a new place either in Mist or Lavender Beds. After a couple days of watching plots one in Lavender Beds finally dropped low enough that I could relocate if I could farm out just a little more gil.

I visited the plot to make sure it was to my liking, more than once. Never saw a soul. When it came time for another price drop later that evening I returned to check the timer and such, and saw someone standing at the board. Well, I started to panic a little then and began vendoring a ton of things. Weapons, armor, furnishings...but not stuff I knew I'd miss. Even ran a couple roulettes. I was honestly surprised that they hadn't scooped it up after about 20 min or so, but they were there nonetheless. They were clearly waiting on the timer to lower the price. So...after debating with myself for a couple minutes I decided to walk up and relocate. I did consider letting them have it for a couple minutes though, I really did. The moment I walked up to the plot they d/ced in a strange twist of fate.

Felt like a bit of a jerk afterwards, but that's just how things roll with housing. I got over it fast. Don't hesitate or you'll simply regret it. If someone else is too slow, then...their loss, not yours. If people want to be mad, let them. They weren't able to take advantage of the situation. You were. They've only got themselves to blame. Or their internet connection.

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I can't count the many times I've lost a housing spot in the goblet that I fully intended to use just to see an empty plot for days because they just want to plot swap the land. That is not fair for ANY potential buyer. I believe if you intend to plot swap you have to buy like everyone else and lose your 20% you put down on your original house just like you would with your house being demolished.

These tips do nothing as everything is RNG. It's doesn't matter how hard you try no matter how many hours you put in it's just luck. You got lucky end of story! We need to force SE to fix this not bend over and let them f us. Many games have 10x better housing with potato servers

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

since housing is required for certain areas of the game

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Hold the phone. Housing is required for certain areas of the game? I would assume you mean the Voyage system?

You know. The same Voyage System you can use at the Foundation Airship dock? (Not the Submarine one, so I'll concede that one)
The same system that, to my knowledge, is still there for all to use, regardless of FC affiliation?

Just curious. If it's not this system, then please provide context. Because that's the only one that jumps out to me.

Regardless. You guys probably need to get it through your head.

1) The Grandfathered players keep their stuff. SE is not going to touch them in any capacity because they are well within their right to keep it. Because they used the systems they had at the time.

2) There's not going to be two different types of housing. Nor do I believe they would strip out the housing system already in place to add a new one. They'll keep adding onto the Ward system, since it works.

3) Housing is not MEANT for everyone. Everyone has a chance to get a house and if you do, congrats. if you don't, then keep trying or settle for an apartment. That's what they are there for.

4) the "RNG timer" everyone seems to communally despise is actually working in your favor. Without it, you wouldn't see any open plots at all, because all the botters would snatch them up in seconds. Demanding it to be gone is actively shooting yourself in the foot.

As someone who had camped for months on end and finally got a house, I can tell you that it's possible. If you're getting far too annoyed to the point of "crying for a fix" on the forums.. Then take a step back. Cool off. Find something else to do and vent the frustration.

There'll always be more plots tomorrow. Always more chances. Can't much ask for more.

None of this "Well, other games do it better than ffxiv so that is clearly reason!" either. Some games certainly do things better than FFXIV. But plenty of games do things a LOT worse. If you're going to use something to this effect as your defense. Then go play that game and quit crying, since it's clear "That game" you so coincidentally refuse to give source or proof to is more your style.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Hold the phone. Housing is required for certain areas of the game?

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You also cannot cross pollinate crops (or whatever the term is) without a multi-crop plot, which can only be obtained with a house.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

There was 3 (2 of 3 was around mine) smalls available last night on Lich in Goblet (probably due to auto demo). Told my FC and got 2 FC members as neigbours.

OP findings was interesting and good tips. My tip is if you can't get the plot you want, grab whatever you can and use the relocation at a time when your dream plot gets available.

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So this works when you buy ANY plot in ANY residential location? I am trying to get a house in Lavender Beds after SE took mine because I didn't know about the need to enter house at least every 45 days (I'm a new af gamer. Only other game I play is Eve Online....wayyyy different).

I'm on Sargatanas so I wonder if it's more crowded than other servers and that makes it harder? I camped a plot for more than 10 hours last time and still didn't end up with it.

I would think with a bunch of insanely talented developers, that have made the 2nd most gorgeous game, with incredibly awesome dungeons and content, that they could sort out the housing issue. I don't understand why they can't make more housing districts in other places in the game. But game development is a part of IT that I don't get the joy of working in. I reckon I'll stick with GIS, Client Server, and Network. LOL!

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Originally Posted by PopRocks

I don't believe it would be a punishment. Is it a punishment when your armor needs upgrading when an expansion comes out and more levels are added? After all the hard work in raids spent on gear you now need to upgrade? I don't think so. I think limiting all accounts to one private and one FC house is a great idea. ( Accounts because ..alts!) Return their gil for the homes.

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The game doesn't take your armor away so your example doesn't work. If the game took away my Deltascape armor sets even though I followed all the rules and spent months trying to earn the components, then I'd be extremely angry. So I would believe it would be a punishment if the game has to forcibly take away your work.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

You also cannot cross pollinate crops (or whatever the term is) without a multi-crop plot, which can only be obtained with a house.

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Please post where cross-breeding plants is deemed a requirement? Or some other form of mandatory system that everyone MUST do? Because the only one I know of is the Onions for your chocobo. Which you don't actually need because your Chocobos general strength is tied to your stats. Not its own.

Regardless, what exactly is stopping you from joining an FC that has plots and getting permission to water / grow things there? Most (if not all) FCs have growing plots purely for that reason and I doubt many would deny you the ability to use it.

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Originally Posted by SiierraRaine

So this works when you buy ANY plot in ANY residential location? I am trying to get a house in Lavender Beds after SE took mine because I didn't know about the need to enter house at least every 45 days (I'm a new af gamer. Only other game I play is Eve Online....wayyyy different).

I'm on Sargatanas so I wonder if it's more crowded than other servers and that makes it harder? I camped a plot for more than 10 hours last time and still didn't end up with it.

I would think with a bunch of insanely talented developers, that have made the 2nd most gorgeous game, with incredibly awesome dungeons and content, that they could sort out the housing issue. I don't understand why they can't make more housing districts in other places in the game. But game development is a part of IT that I don't get the joy of working in. I reckon I'll stick with GIS, Client Server, and Network. LOL!

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Are you referring to relocation when asking about any plot? If so, yes. Once you own a house, you can relocate to any available plot regardless of size or housing district if you have the gil to purchase the plot. More information about relocation can be found at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...0dd62c3c50fc74

The extreme demand for houses is on the NA worlds. There are few houses available on NA worlds regardless of size of the player population. The JP worlds have plenty of houses available right now and so do some of the EU worlds.

The game is not designed so SE can implement a change to housing districts and wards on only a few select worlds that have greater demand. They have to implement the change on all worlds. Trying to meet demand on the NA worlds leaves empty wards on the rest, which is just as undesirable from both a player standpoint ("we want our housing neighborhoods to be active, not empty") and a business standpoint (an empty ward consumes server resources just like a full one even though it's not getting used).

They aren't unaware of the issue. They have told us they would be discussing it internally after Shadowbringers launched. But it could be a while before they have a solution and are ready to announce it to the player base.

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Originally Posted by PopRocks

I don't believe it would be a punishment. Is it a punishment when your armor needs upgrading when an expansion comes out and more levels are added? After all the hard work in raids spent on gear you now need to upgrade? I don't think so. I think limiting all accounts to one private and one FC house is a great idea. ( Accounts because ..alts!) Return their gil for the homes.

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FC houses cant be restricted to one house per account. FC houses are tied to the FC not the purchaser. The ownership of a FC house does not work the same way a personal house does. Joe blow level 1 sprout who joined the game an hour ago, can be given permission to buy their FC a house.

Personal house purchase requirements:

Level 50+
Second Lt in your GC
MSQ progression must be at specified point


Free company house purchase requirement:

Have Free company rank 6
Be the leader of said FC or have the FC permission to purchase property.

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Originally Posted by ChasteDaily

Just spent 9 hours camping a house. Someone came up and bought it in two minute. That was 9 hours of spamming. This system is broken.

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Yep the system is fubar, no reward for time spent, no advantage to putting in the time.

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Originally Posted by Casra

Yep the system is fubar, no reward for time spent, no advantage to putting in the time.

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As is expected and should be.

You shouldn't get "priority" or a better chance because you've been trying for longer. It's meant to be fair game for everyone. No advantages, no pay-to-win options (Excluding relocation.) and if you catch anyone botting, then report them, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Casra

Yep the system is fubar, no reward for time spent, no advantage to putting in the time.

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Those who spent the time, got houses back during the housing expansion of Feb 6th 2018. Where were these current house seekers at the time? Doing something else? Playing a different game? Well that's their punishment then for not putting in the time. A Johnny-come-lately is rightfully at a disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

As is expected and should be.

You shouldn't get "priority" or a better chance because you've been trying for longer. It's meant to be fair game for everyone. No advantages, no pay-to-win options (Excluding relocation.) and if you catch anyone botting, then report them, perhaps?

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With that logic they should never have changed it from "first come first serve", I could literally apply your logic to any terrible system and justify it. "There can only be one hundred level 80 characters on the server at one time. Just because you have a job doesn't mean you have the right to be level 80. Just wait for one of the level 80 people to quit the game and you'll have your chance. Why should you have priority? Fair is fair."

"What?? You want to be able to go into an inn to change your glamour? You realize that there's only 15 inn instances in the game right? Why should you have priority to the inn when other people wanna use the glam chest too? Just wait your turn, fair is fair."

"Man I can't believe that people are STILL complaining that only 8 people can benefit from completing a fate, and the other 20 people who helped get nothing. Just because you were there doesn't mean you should get priority access to rewards, video games don't work that way. Fair is fair, just keep at it and maybe you'll get lucky enough to get the reward."

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Originally Posted by Jasmyne

With that logic they should never have changed it from "first come first serve", I could literally apply your logic to any terrible system and justify it. "There can only be one hundred level 80 characters on the server at one time. Just because you have a job doesn't mean you have the right to be level 80. Just wait for one of the level 80 people to quit the game and you'll have your chance. Why should you have priority? Fair is fair."

"What?? You want to be able to go into an inn to change your glamour? You realize that there's only 15 inn instances in the game right? Why should you have priority to the inn when other people wanna use the glam chest too? Just wait your turn, fair is fair."

"Man I can't believe that people are STILL complaining that only 8 people can benefit from completing a fate, and the other 20 people who helped get nothing. Just because you were there doesn't mean you should get priority access to rewards, video games don't work that way. Fair is fair, just keep at it and maybe you'll get lucky enough to get the reward."

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While yes, you can. But that'd make it wrong. Once again (for the thousandth time it seems), people shouldn't get an advantage or a better edge at obtaining completely optional content. Would you be happy to know that you lost your house because Mr Jakobs had +5% to his chances because he was unlucky? I doubt it. People are already cutthroat even when the odds are equal.

You call a congested server home? Good job. You have to fight for what you want and enjoy people claiming you're toxic and a worthless human being because you got it instead of them. The pros of being in a community that puts a bundle of 1s and 0s in higher regard than basic human life.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

While yes, you can. But that'd make it wrong. Once again (for the thousandth time it seems), people shouldn't get an advantage or a better edge at obtaining completely optional content. Would you be happy to know that you lost your house because Mr Jakobs had +5% to his chances because he was unlucky? I doubt it. People are already cutthroat even when the odds are equal.

You call a congested server home? Good job. You have to fight for what you want and enjoy people claiming you're toxic and a worthless human being because you got it instead of them. The pros of being in a community that puts a bundle of 1s and 0s in higher regard than basic human life.

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The problem is you can call ANYTHING Completely optional content. You can call EX mounts optional content, but they still found a way to give it to everyone (99 totems). You can call dungeons optional content because there are multiple other ways of leveling. You can call glamours or even getting to level 80 "optional content" Just cause you decided it's "optional content" doesn't mean it HAS to be THIS HARD to obtain. Why do you think housing is the only one that NEEDS to be this hard?

Finally I call a congested server "home" because I have been on this server since ARR and it wasn't congested at the time. I returned during the end of SB and I shouldn't HAVE TO pay real money to switch servers to access content that I would like to have. I don't understand the point of your last sentence. Why are you belittling people who just want to own a home in a video game?

I'm not belittling them. I just find it worrying that they prioritize said bunch of 1s and 0s over basic human functions.

And why is housing this hard to obtain? Well, here's the time-old response. Housing was never meant for everyone. It is a Luxury, not a privilege.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

I'm not belittling them. I just find it worrying that they prioritize said bunch of 1s and 0s over basic human functions.

And why is housing this hard to obtain? Well, here's the time-old response. Housing was never meant for everyone. It is a Luxury, not a privilege.

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Regardless of whether or not I agree with you, the point stands. People DONT LIKE this system and they're all entitled to give their opinions just as you are. I just pointed out the flaw in your logic that's all, it didn't really bring anything to the table since it's a perspective brought up from pure subjective opinions. For example you say "it's fair" I don't believe it's fair. We have already hit a roadblock in the discussion, because you completely skipped over an important point and labeled it as fact despite the fact that I, and many others, disagree with it.

I agree it's a luxury, but I think they can find a way better and much more immersive/fun way to implement the system.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

I'm not belittling them. I just find it worrying that they prioritize said bunch of 1s and 0s over basic human functions.

And why is housing this hard to obtain? Well, here's the time-old response. Housing was never meant for everyone. It is a Luxury, not a privilege.

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And herein lies the true issue with housing in this game. I have heard this same nonsense being thrown around for years. Housing was once a luxury. Prices make it so that pretty much anyone can now afford it. There's a false sense of exclusivity here, and repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. Now housing is a race and has created a good deal of animus - as evidenced by the many many posts in this forum. It is no surprise that people dislike the system, as it pits players against one another. That needs to be fixed. This whole haves vs. have nots is unhealthy for any game.

PS I own a home and have no real dog in this fight. I just cannot conceive of why the system is left in the state it is in when it is creating so much unrest among the player base.

I hate when people say it’s optional but the game advertises housing as a feature. I guess the whole game is optional too. :p

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Originally Posted by Lexi

I hate when people say it’s optional but the game advertises housing as a feature. I guess the whole game is optional too. :p

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Because outside of creating a character and always having a main hand equipped, everything is optional. If you don't want to accept that very first quest and be limited to running around alone in that confined little instanced world next to the initial quest giver, you're free to do that. Things stop being optional when you set specific goals for yourself and those things are part of the criteria to reach those goals, yet ultimately they are all still optional.

Housing is optional. Lots of players have no interest in housing and so don't own a house or apartment. It does not interfere with their ability to play the game as they want to.

Owning a house specifically is optional unless your Free Company wants a workshop (which is also optional) or you want to do intercross gardening (which is also optional). Lacking any of those things does not block your access to other content. If you just want something to decorate, an apartment provides that opportunity.

The main difference when it comes to owning a house is that it's a limited quantity resource. Only so many players can participate. Other optional features, like glamour, don't have a limit on how many can participate. Limited quantity resources always end up a point of contention in every MMO that implements them and it's probably why most games avoid them outside of rewards tied to skill based leaderboards.

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Originally Posted by Mew_FC

It's cool and all, but just because you have a couple hundred mil doesn't mean you can lol.

Catch up my lala ;)

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You are right buying up an entire ward requires a lot of bots. Which is what you used when you bought the wards. SE should ban you and release these plots.

Lost this house today while making a forum post about this picture and how ridiculous getting a house is in this game. I was clicking from 9:30am until 4:15pm (almost 7 hours) with maybe 30minutes total of breaks. 6+ hours of my saturday to my keybound menu confirms: F F F V F B F, to have our FC lose another house in the long line of houses we've lost the past month.

https://i.imgur.com/lKA315k.jpg?1

What other tip can you give except to NOT participate? A lot more people want houses than are even showing up because this is so soul-sucking, emotionally draining, and hard on your hands and mental health. There is a shortage of houses.

The advice here is not good, the fact this is OPTIONAL content doesn't matter. Crafting is optional, yet it is still optimized and functional. Playing a Tank is optional, yet they still come out with patches for that part of the game. I pay for this game, and so do all of you, I personally am here FOR content like this, FOR content like changing my chocobo's color, to garden and grow plants, to place furniture in this game that has quite an amazing housing system.

And I and hundreds of other players are totally locked out.

Honestly the situation is so bad I wish they would put a housing FREEZE on, so that houses weren't even being sold at all! That way we wouldn't have so many of us sitting here wasting our lives on a 5% chance to get a house. Just turn the whole system on pause until more housing is released because as other players are saying -- it is inhumane how it currently works.

Easy, pixel house is a big priority right? If goblet houses are taken too then just transfer. As long as there are free plots to take SE won't add new ones so just fill up the new servers too or quit crying.

There ARE houses available but people don't want them, yet complain about wasting their lifes camping? If I had the will to camp a house for over 10 hours (which since I'm sane, won't do) then I'd have the will to transfer as well.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

Easy, pixel house is a big priority right? If goblet houses are taken too then just transfer. As long as there are free plots to take SE won't add new ones so just fill up the new servers too or quit crying.

There ARE houses available but people don't want them, yet complain about wasting their lifes camping? If I had the will to camp a house for over 10 hours (which since I'm sane, won't do) then I'd have the will to transfer as well.

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I'm against the idea if giving SE more money to get something that already costs money (gil) and leaving a server with friends, FCs, community, etc... Transferring should be the last solution, not the very first. And I hate it when ppl call complaining about the housing crisis "crying." Way to demoralize and disregard your Peter's real concerns.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

I'm against the idea if giving SE more money to get something that already costs money (gil) and leaving a server with friends, FCs, community, etc... Transferring should be the last solution, not the very first. And I hate it when ppl call complaining about the housing crisis "crying." Way to demoralize and disregard your Peter's real concerns.

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Peers' * I also hate autocorrect.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

Easy, pixel house is a big priority right? If goblet houses are taken too then just transfer. As long as there are free plots to take SE won't add new ones so just fill up the new servers too or quit crying.

There ARE houses available but people don't want them, yet complain about wasting their lifes camping? If I had the will to camp a house for over 10 hours (which since I'm sane, won't do) then I'd have the will to transfer as well.

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But where are they? None of the 8 worlds I'm linked to have any housing available. I've seen 2 smalls go up for sale in Lavender Beds over the last 2 months which is just painful (didn't get either one, obviously). I'd be happy to transfer if I knew there was a server with some housing, but I'm not sure how to get that information.

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Originally Posted by Thee_Freshness

But where are they? None of the 8 worlds I'm linked to have any housing available. I've seen 2 smalls go up for sale in Lavender Beds over the last 2 months which is just painful (didn't get either one, obviously). I'd be happy to transfer if I knew there was a server with some housing, but I'm not sure how to get that information.

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You can use world visit to check other worlds in the data center for available housing but I'll save you the effort since I just did it a few days ago.

There was one available house on Diabolos and one available house on Mateus at that time, both getting camped and definitely sold by now. There's always a small chance that some player relinquished their house on one of the other Crystal worlds in the last day but you'd still be fighting against people already on that world trying to get it. It's not worth paying for a transfer when your chances of getting the single temporarily available house are extremely small.

Looking at the unofficial census data at https://ffxivcensus.com/ , it's not hard to see why housing is more of a problem on NA than the other 2 data centers. NA averages 11.6k players per world with the lowest population being 9.9k on Malboro and the highest 14.5k on Gilgamesh. EU averages 10.4k per world but the range is more staggered from 6.7k on Spriggan up to 13.3k on Ragnarok. Then there are the JP worlds with an average population of 7.6k per world but only 2 worlds over 8k.

Even if only half of players want to own a house, that puts the critical point for each world at an active population of 10.1k - or essentially every NA world. EU has 3 worlds below that point. All JP worlds except Chocobo and Tonberry are well below that point. Which are the worlds with the available housing? Those at the lower end of the population range.

Yep, I click through all the NA servers daily. I'd be happy to move. $18 for the transfer is worth less to me than the 60 hours or so I've spent camping the placards. Oh well, Ishgard in July maybe and then people will move out of Lavender Beds. A cat can hope.

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Originally Posted by Thee_Freshness

Yep, I click through all the NA servers daily. I'd be happy to move. $18 for the transfer is worth less to me than the 60 hours or so I've spent camping the placards. Oh well, Ishgard in July maybe and then people will move out of Lavender Beds. A cat can hope.

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Unfortunately, I don't expect Ishgard Housing to come with 5.3. From looking at the map for the Firmament and what we've completed (or almost completed depending on world) versus what's not yet uncovered, we've got at least 2 if not 3 patch phases left for the Restoration. Maybe we'll get lucky and SE will include all 3 of the remaining sections in 5.3 if the Restoration content is effectively ready to go and they want players to have something more to do while they work on developing 5.4 under the lockdown limitations.

It does make one wonder just how much NA players really want more housing considering that even with our much larger populations, only 3 NA worlds managed to complete the current phase before the slowest JP world completed theirs. Then again, a lot of people probably didn't care because completing it wouldn't add new housing. Perhaps the number of players contributing will change once completion actually means we get more housing.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Unfortunately, I don't expect Ishgard Housing to come with 5.3. From looking at the map for the Firmament and what we've completed (or almost completed depending on world) versus what's not yet uncovered, we've got at least 2 if not 3 patch phases left for the Restoration. Maybe we'll get lucky and SE will include all 3 of the remaining sections in 5.3 if the Restoration content is effectively ready to go and they want players to have something more to do while they work on developing 5.4 under the lockdown limitations.

It does make one wonder just how much NA players really want more housing considering that even with our much larger populations, only 3 NA worlds managed to complete the current phase before the slowest JP world completed theirs. Then again, a lot of people probably didn't care because completing it wouldn't add new housing. Perhaps the number of players contributing will change once completion actually means we get more housing.

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You're right, and it's frustrating. Back when Blizzard had server-wide quests to open Ahn'Qiraj, they clearly communicated what the end result would be. I can't prove it, but I suspect that knowing the result improved participation significantly. A little mystery is fun, but the Restoration is a lot of collective work for a pretty nebulous goal (I mean, the housing is almost certainly part of it, but the when and how are up in the air).

I'm getting a little off-topic here, but IMO, adding an Ishgardian grand company would be a big win as well. I'm sure that would screw up PvP, but a new GC based in Ishgard feels appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Thee_Freshness

You're right, and it's frustrating. Back when Blizzard had server-wide quests to open Ahn'Qiraj, they clearly communicated what the end result would be. I can't prove it, but I suspect that knowing the result improved participation significantly. A little mystery is fun, but the Restoration is a lot of collective work for a pretty nebulous goal (I mean, the housing is almost certainly part of it, but the when and how are up in the air).

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We know what the end result will be. The problem is we know that there will be pauses in our progress as we wait for another patch to release another phase of the Restoration.

It's hard to blame people for not participating now when the reward they want isn't also available now and participating won't speed up how soon it will be available. That's very much a western mindset - ignore things that won't immediately benefit you. All we can do is hope that they will start participating when we finally get to that last phase where completion will mean housing is unlocked.