Glamour dresser red flag

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Get it again, or don't put it in the dresser.

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Why create a system where people already have to question themselves if they even should put that in or not? Its just a bad band-aid to all those (like me) who complained about the problems with glamour. If they dont introduce huge amount of more space for the dresser in the near future and constantly update this..well they could have just given us a free new retainer..at least people could take their things out of it again..

This system is just bad and they are forced to stick with it too since otherwise all their players could lose 200 items worth of glamour..(and if they somehow can just easily code it in a way that you can take out stuff..why not do it from the beginning?)

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Why create a system where people already have to question themselves if they even should put that in or not? Its just a bad band-aid to all those (like me) who complained about the problems with glamour. If they dont introduce huge amount of more space for the dresser in the near future and constantly update this..well they could have just given us a free new retainer..at least people could take their things out of it again..

This system is just bad and they are forced to stick with it too since otherwise all their players could lose 200 items worth of glamour..(and if they somehow can just easily code it in a way that you can take out stuff..why not do it from the beginning?)

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If it's the highest level of gear that you have, don't put it in the dresser. If it's hard to obtain and you want to use it on your retainer or squadron, don't put it in the dresser.

All that's happening right now is you're being given more. What you already have isn't being changed. It's all in addition to what you already have, with the promise of even more (the promise that they'll look into adding the dresser system for squadron and retainers). So, if you're so concerned, then just put your favorite personal glamours in the dresser for now, and you won't have to worry about anything.

how will this effect dressing retainers? I know it won't work for Adventure Squad, so you can never convert glams you want your AS to use, but what about our retainers?

Honestly, I would not expect much else from SE. They really don't seem to have the resources to go through and code the system well. If they spent this much time creating a headache of a system instead of just creating an easier and more user friendly system, then the easier and more user friendly system will probably never come.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

While I am not a fan of "destroying" something to make it a glamour, I think I can understand the underlying reason. Once it's just a flag for appearance and color it will use far less data during the check. Inventory increase while managing existing server resources.

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It could have worked like the armoire though. There is no reason they couldn't let you pull out the item again but with materia/HQ tag/spirit bond level wiped out . They just didn't want to do that.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

But if I put a piece of gear in there that I got from let’s say, savage content/mog station/event, then have to farm/buy with real money that piece again if I want to glamour my squad or directly glamour it to a job without wasting a plate? That’s ridiculous...

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Savage is easily farmable later on.
Event items of any kind will be able to be put into your armoire which can also be used for the plates.
And mogstation items can be glamoured the old way.
Where is the problem?

Even if you read on a fan transcription that you can put the items out of the glamour dresser it is never said you can use it again or that it will be put back in your inventory.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

If it's the highest level of gear that you have, don't put it in the dresser. If it's hard to obtain and you want to use it on your retainer or squadron, don't put it in the dresser.

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And I simply dont know right now if I want to use certain items as glamour for squadrons (seems retainers are not mentioned in the notes so either I misread or read it somewhere else x)) so in the end I can barely do anything in that. At the same time I will not put my most favorite glamours in there because we dont know if we will always keep that system. And they promised us a lot over the years. (More egis, more max amount of apartments, different housing for FC and individuals, different prices for housing, no timer ever for housing...the list goes on)

They simply could have given us a free retainer and this would have saved them time and budget..instead they gave us a system that will destroy your glamour and is limited.

Maybe I'm missing something about the dyes on items converted into plates. It says the item retains the dye that was on it originally, so say I convert a best man's tux that has a rare dye. Obviously that means the plate will retain that dye. But where does it say/show that once used in an ensemble that the plate's look cannot be dyed after application? If you truly cannot dye something after using its plate then I agree that is an actual glaring problem.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

It could have worked like the armoire though. There is no reason they couldn't let you pull out the item again but with materia/HQ tag/spirit bond level wiped out . They just didn't want to do that.

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While I wouldn't say with certainty there's NO reason it's a curious situation to be sure. If you can use the Armoire items, it seems to use the same system.. but for some reason they created a new "box" for it. The few people I've talked to with coding experience seem to think it has something to do with WHERE the info is stored or how it's organized server side, also expandability concerns may factor in. It's possible the Armoire is reaching it's limits and the Dresser is its own thing with better design but it can be linked to reference the old system. Someday we might see "Armoire items all have been moved to the Glamour Dresser inventory."
but as usual since I'm not actually on the team and haven't talked to a dev it's just speculation. I'm reasonably sure the reason isn't just "We don't want to do it that way. " though. It smells of unmentionable backend complications in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

They simply could have given us a free retainer and this would have saved them time and budget..instead they gave us a system that will destroy your glamour and is limited.

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If you really think they'd destroy 200 items out of your "inventory" without notice but NOT just remove all the dupe housing from people who tripled and doubled up, I'd like to know where you think the line is? Have they ever just REMOVED items we owned without compensation or replacement OR previous warning?

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Maybe I'm missing something about the dyes on items converted into plates. It says the item retains the dye that was on it originally, so say I convert a best man's tux that has a rare dye. Obviously that means the plate will retain that dye. But where does it say/show that once used in an ensemble that the plate's look cannot be dyed after application? If you truly cannot dye something after using its plate then I agree that is an actual glaring problem.

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They specifically said dye's could be applied to plates themselves. I'm not sure where the paranoia is coming from.. I think I had that same argument with that user on another thread.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Thread/page2

"You can also apply different color dyes to the 10 glamour ensembles. "

Yes that why I said that we are probably stuck with the system right now because otherwise this would mean that we would lose our items. This would either mean that they need to revamp their second glamour feature again or that we would have like two or three different glamour system at the end.

Also I hope that the armoire will not reach any kind of limit because that would make the situation even worse. We need that storage right now to have a place for the countless of mog station items and event items. You would not want to put mog station or promotional items into the dresser if there is a chance that you need to delete them later..anyway this would kinda make the dresser the new armoire just with the problem that you cant them take out of it and with the problem of having a limit.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

They specifically said dye's could be applied to plates themselves. I'm not sure where the paranoia is coming from.. I think I had that same argument with that user on another thread.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Thread/page2

"You can also apply different color dyes to the 10 glamour ensembles. "

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Thank you, I too was confused on where the dye argument was coming from

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

A similar example is say I want Red Mage to wear the Eastern Togi and Summoner the Carbuncle Jacket. I can't without permanently locking a mogstation outfit into the Dresser.

No matter how you slice it. This is a terrible limitation.

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This person said it best. You can't put in items you're afraid of losing and use them on jobs that are the same type. If you want to glam your WHM and AST differently then you can't put in any gear that will be heard to obtain again. You can only multi glam jobs with cheap great you're not afraid of losing. That really sucks and you can't work around it using the old system. This will really limit people who want multiple jobs to look different.

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Originally Posted by Skitz470

The thing I dont understand is that Blizzard put in the whole transmog wardrobe, which handles ALL of the potential items your account can have from the entire game and I have never heard of the system causing any sort of server impact. Now yeah, FFXIV does have the additional aspect of handling dyes but yeah...dropping items into your dresser shouldn't be THAT massive of a server issue. I mean WoW handles your bank, guild banks, inventories, the entire Wardrobe (which carries over a players entire account cross-servers) the toys and mount lists (again, cross-server) and probably some other things im forgetting without any issues....but they put a 200 item cap because they are concerned about server impact? I'll be honest, that sort of makes me wonder as to the condition/state of the FFXIV servers then, though tbh Im not any sort of network guru or anything like that.

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The difference is Blizzard took the time to design their system properly. Their transmog collection system was built to be part of an expansion, which means their team took their time over the course of expansion development to get it right. FFXIV's team took a few months between patches to both decide this was a thing they could do and then quickly design a way to do it. The whole thing reeks of being a slapdash solution thrown together without any real thought or proper design work. This ridiculous change in the patch notes as compared with the words that came out of Yoshi P's mouth ONE WEEK AGO is further evidence of this. SE didn't really know what it was doing with this system and now we all get to suffer the consequences of that.

Design is hard. It takes time to do properly and well.

If the two systems work together it'll be alright, and I think this system COULD take over for the current system. but together? It has the potential to be a hot mess.


The idea was to add 200 inventory slots that are dedicated for glamour gear, freeing up space and making the glamour system better. If I can't use gear in the dresser with the old glamour system while there aren't enough plates to cover all the jobs, thats not going to help my inventory. It means I'd need one version of the gear in the dresser to use in plates, and one in my inventory to do old style item glamours to make up for the fact I don't have enough plates to cover all my classes.

If the systems are totally separate I might as well ignore the dresser until it can handle a plate for every class.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Why create a system where people already have to question themselves if they even should put that in or not?

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This is the crux of the entire matter. There's shouldn't be a question on whether or not to be able to store stuff. Currently there is.

I fail to see the point of reinventing the wheel. Do they just not want to copy something from WoW? MMO's have ripped each other off for years when one has a good idea. What's the deal with this asinine glamour system that just over-complicates something that should be simple?

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

I remember this too. Who the F wants to use the Glamour Toilet if it destroys all our items. This wasn't an impressive system to begin with (basically just WOW's Void Storage setup), now it's even more underwhelming.

Not impressed. At all.

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Ah yes, The most USEFUL and WIDELY PRAISED feature in WoW that EVERYONE USES.

Bolded for unfiltered pure sarcasm. Most people forget Void Storage even exists.

I hope noone uses this system so we get a not-beta implementation of it next patch like with Perform. As is it's a niche solution that doesn't solve half of the problems its intended to.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

Ah yes, The most USEFUL and WIDELY PRAISED feature in WoW that EVERYONE USES.

Bolded for unfiltered pure sarcasm. Most people forget Void Storage even exists.

I hope noone uses this system so we get a not-beta implementation of it next patch like with Perform. As is it's a niche solution that doesn't solve half of the problems its intended to.

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The sad part is it's a crappy system that may just cause more issues if they ever decide to make a proper system.

Guild Wars 2, World of Warcraft, Star Wars the Old Republic and even Lord of the Rings Online are amazing examples of an outfit system that works without punishing the player.

I'm really afraid that SE rushed this outfit system and now we will permanently be stuck with it.

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Originally Posted by Zym

I fail to see the point of reinventing the wheel.

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No they have to reinvent it, in the most strange way, only to have people rightfully complain that its bad..which prompts the answer that we are just greedy players that cant get enough and should be happy because somehow it took a huge amount of work. Then the system will just stay in place even though a lot of people dislike it and even though alot of people show that it will be bad for the future..and writing down examples on how to do it better which should give them ideas...and then months/years later they see that its truly just a bad system and either still stick with it (Band-aids everywhere) or decide to finally change it..(if its for better or worse depends) I mean that exactly how housing is right now x)..

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

This person said it best. You can't put in items you're afraid of losing and use them on jobs that are the same type. If you want to glam your WHM and AST differently then you can't put in any gear that will be heard to obtain again. You can only multi glam jobs with cheap great you're not afraid of losing. That really sucks and you can't work around it using the old system. This will really limit people who want multiple jobs to look different.

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However you could do this example.

Glamour your magic dps gear with what you want the red mage gear to be, the mogstation stuff, then use the glamour plates to glamour your black mage and summoner jobs.

You can't do it again for another job that shares the same armor, however it's more freedom than what was afforded to you before.

I was really looking forward to being able to free up some space with this system but if it permanently destroys items that are put in it combined with the system's limitations? No thanks. I'm a bit confused why this doesn't work like the armoire since that technically destroys items that are placed in it as well, but you can still retrieve them later.

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

Why is it that when SE adds something nice that other MMOs have, they make it either backwards or add tedium to it. WoW's transmog and Guild Wars 2 wardrobe is miles ahead of what they are trying to put in now. Heck they don't even have 'limits' with their system.

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Because SE stupid and likes to do things ass backwards/wrong way and make it harder to want to use/like the system. Just like with housing, some years down the line after everyone bitched at their loudest they may put a band aid fix on it -.-
As for limits....
We're paying for a game that seems to be always running on limited resources. Do they have plans to do something about it? Nope. Seems not.
This is SE in a nutshell now - Take the players money from subs and mogstation, put it somewhere else and not into XIV.

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Originally Posted by Naria

I was really looking forward to being able to free up some space with this system but if it permanently destroys items that are put in it combined with the system's limitations? No thanks. I'm a bit confused why this doesn't work like the armoire since that technically destroys items that are placed in it as well, but you can still retrieve them later.

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Technical back-end stuff most likely. The armoire stores stuff "cheaply" by not storing spirit bond, dye, or glamoured appearance information- just the base item. Only a very limited selection of items are allowed in it so the amount of space it takes up is less than that of a traditional inventory. The Dresser stores the item, but since it's meant to store A LOT they need to keep the cost of hosting that data under control somehow. I'm 99% sure that's why we can't remove without destroying - otherwise, they'd have to push it off again or spend more than they're allowed to for this. It's not an excuse in the slightest since I think SE can do better than this half-assed system built on compromises and desperation but they don't have infinite time or money, so here we are. I'd be curious in hearing the exact reason why but they probably wanted to point to a simple item with as little information associated with it as possible, which may very well mean stripping out metadata that makes the item retrievable.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Because SE stupid and likes to do things ass backwards/wrong way and make it harder to want to use/like the system. Just like with housing, some years down the line after everyone bitched at their loudest they may put a band aid fix on it -.-
As for limits....
We're paying for a game that seems to be always running on limited resources. Do they have plans to do something about it? Nope. Seems not.
This is SE in a nutshell now - Take the players money from subs and mogstation, put it somewhere else and not into XIV.

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No developer likes to do things in a stupid, backwards, or horribly inefficient way - their time is as valuable as anyone else's. I genuinely believe we're paying the price for rushing 2.0 out the door now since this game is built on the bones of 1.0 (which had very different design goals) and whatever slap-dash magic they used to fill the gaps and create something new within a year. The seemingly perpetual lack of resources is troubling though, I agree. XIV is more popular than ever but we're stuck with systems that seem more like they're compromises and created with a ton of sketchy work-arounds rather than something that can be neatly integrated into the game. I'd love to hear one of SE's lead devs talk to us about how these systems are created and what the biggest pain points are.

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Originally Posted by Naria

I was really looking forward to being able to free up some space with this system but if it permanently destroys items that are put in it combined with the system's limitations? No thanks. I'm a bit confused why this doesn't work like the armoire since that technically destroys items that are placed in it as well, but you can still retrieve them later.

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Bceause that is lost allagan technology that the team can't recreate.

I don't know.. the dresser will at least help me clean out some of the mb items I use repeatedly in my glamours and keep around for that purpose, even if I'd need to re-purchase them for retainer glams and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

No developer likes to do things in a stupid, backwards, or horribly inefficient way - their time is as valuable as anyone else's. I genuinely believe we're paying the price for rushing 2.0 out the door now since this game is built on the bones of 1.0 (which had very different design goals) and whatever slap-dash magic they used to fill the gaps and create something new within a year. The seemingly perpetual lack of resources is troubling though, I agree. XIV is more popular than ever but we're stuck with systems that seem more like they're compromises and created with a ton of sketchy work-arounds rather than something that can be neatly integrated into the game. I'd love to hear one of SE's lead devs talk to us about how these systems are created and what the biggest pain points are.

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You have to start to wonder though, where does the money we pay with our subs, mog station, etc go to? If from what I hear is true and it goes towards other games rather then this one, we'll never amount to what MMO's are today.
If you add up the active amount of subs and mog station money over the years, you'd think that our "limited resource" problem would at least start to be worked on, but it not and what more upsetting is, as the years go on, we as paying player base are being punished for SE mistake in these broken systems. Like for example, the whole housing situation, Auto-demo timer, gil/housing items being held timer, all because of limited resource and not being able to supply all players. When you start looking outside of XIV you start asking yourself, "What other game punishes their player base like this?" 2.0 rushed or not, I feel like after all these years passed the problem of limited resources should've been addressed by now and these systems improved.
I don't foresee XIV lasting for as many years as XI did at the rate it going now. They keep releasing these broken systems, they keep putting band aid after band aid over it, never fixing the actual problem.
I agree, I'd love to hear from someone in SE about these systems and why their not up to par with the rest of the MMO world. It doesn't have to be WoW, but it we sure isn't even near WoW or any other MMO, even the F2P one's.

This is about as well thought out as retainers using our -1 gear to complete ventures.

Yes, I won't ever want to use what my retainer is wearing for glamour. Definitely.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Technical back-end stuff most likely. The armoire stores stuff "cheaply" by not storing spirit bond, dye, or glamoured appearance information- just the base item. Only a very limited selection of items are allowed in it so the amount of space it takes up is less than that of a traditional inventory. The Dresser stores the item, but since it's meant to store A LOT they need to keep the cost of hosting that data under control somehow. I'm 99% sure that's why we can't remove without destroying - otherwise, they'd have to push it off again or spend more than they're allowed to for this. It's not an excuse in the slightest since I think SE can do better than this half-assed system built on compromises and desperation but they don't have infinite time or money, so here we are. I'd be curious in hearing the exact reason why but they probably wanted to point to a simple item with as little information associated with it as possible, which may very well mean stripping out metadata that makes the item retrievable.

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Except, if the dresser actually stores anything then it's already inefficient...

Armoire works most likely through "link". As in, there is a database from gear stored on the servers. That's what says what the gear in its base looks like, what stats it have, what drops it and all the other technical stuff. Now, the bad way of doing inventory is to copy all (most) of that data for every copy of that item that any player owns. This IS probably how normal inventories work, for whatever reason. Hence why there is a big-ass resource hog to the inventories. This is most likely NOT how armoire works, hence why it can technically have virtually unlimited space, because every item is just a few bytes or so for every character...which on an MMO's scale is nothing. When you take something out of the armoire, it merely references the item database for a specific item. For example, it would look something like "Put item no. 12611 in players inventory.". That's all.

Now, with the dresser, I bet they went the stupid way of doing it a separate inventory again. That means that the server copies the entire data (or at least large chunks of it) for every item you store on it, for every character separately. THAT is why they may not be retrievable (if it's not an error in the patch notes). There is zero reason why removing any metadata (other than items number in a database) would make an item non-retrievable, because all of that data MUST exist and be referenced every time you use that item in any way. Put the gear on?! The game needs to know what stat modification to give your characters, how your character will look, what icon to put in the character screen etc. Even someone just using an examination on you will bring up the tooltip which again will need all that data. Heck, you showing up on any characters screen when passing through makes requires the data to load, since it's tied to appearance.


In reality, data-management is a lot less problematic than some seem to think. It's supposed to work off of a database and cross-references. That means that every item should have exactly ONE copy of data on the entire data center (or a physical server at most), and every character and their mother would only reference that one copy of data. The drawback?! If they wouldn't do backups, any error in the database would affect everyone as well and could be unrepairable. The positives?! Everything else. Immense amounts of data storage being saved, among others, and that means removal of technical issues born from data mismanagement, which in turn would allow to make simple, efficient systems. And yes, adding a dyes metadata is just a little bit of data more, and still could be done extremely easily even with database reference. That's how inventory could very well work as well.

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

Why is it that when SE adds something nice that other MMOs have, they make it either backwards or add tedium to it. WoW's transmog and Guild Wars 2 wardrobe is miles ahead of what they are trying to put in now. Heck they don't even have 'limits' with their system.

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Took wow 10 years + to come out with it. IN S/E defense. They should have released this next expansion complete as a feature but instead they are doing it as a patch.

Let me see if I have one thing straight. Armoire items can't be glamoured? So veteran reward outfits like Cloud and Zidane that we were able to glamour before. That would make them basically useless other than for screenshots because you can't just wear them into fights due to their stats.

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Originally Posted by jellis41

Let me see if I have one thing straight. Armoire items can't be glamoured? So veteran reward outfits like Cloud and Zidane that we were able to glamour before. That would make them basically useless other than for screenshots because you can't just wear them into fights due to their stats.

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incorrect. Armoire items CAN SPECIFICALLY be used for the glamour dresser in the system to add to the plates and of course, can be removed as they always have been able to be and used in the old system as well.

Edit: Woops, posted this in the wrong thread :3 /ignore me

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Originally Posted by kikix12

Except, if the dresser actually stores anything then it's already inefficient...

Armoire works most likely through "link". As in, there is a database from gear stored on the servers. That's what says what the gear in its base looks like, what stats it have, what drops it and all the other technical stuff. Now, the bad way of doing inventory is to copy all (most) of that data for every copy of that item that any player owns. This IS probably how normal inventories work, for whatever reason. Hence why there is a big-ass resource hog to the inventories. This is most likely NOT how armoire works, hence why it can technically have virtually unlimited space, because every item is just a few bytes or so for every character...which on an MMO's scale is nothing. When you take something out of the armoire, it merely references the item database for a specific item. For example, it would look something like "Put item no. 12611 in players inventory.". That's all.

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That's probably how the armoire should work, but I doubt it actually works that way. If it had technically unlimited space they wouldn't be so stingy about letting us put more items in it. They are only just now adding reward items from the 2014 Fan Fest to the armoire. And there would be no good reason to continue to exclude glamour items purchased on the mog station from being stored. If it weren't an extremely limited space then SE are complete jerks or totally incompetent for keeping items like that out.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

That's probably how the armoire should work, but I doubt it actually works that way. If it had technically unlimited space they wouldn't be so stingy about letting us put more items in it. They are only just now adding reward items from the 2014 Fan Fest to the armoire. And there would be no good reason to continue to exclude glamour items purchased on the mog station from being stored. If it weren't an extremely limited space then SE are complete jerks or totally incompetent for keeping items like that out.

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From a programmer PoV that is pretty much how it is done at least if you are doing it effectively and even the new glamour storage should work the same way. It would not surprise me at this point that they simply do not add new stuff to the armoire so people pay for more retainers. I still can not think of a single reason why the AF2 & AF3 gear can't even go in there.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

In reality, data-management is a lot less problematic than some seem to think. It's supposed to work off of a database and cross-references. That means that every item should have exactly ONE copy of data on the entire data center (or a physical server at most), and every character and their mother would only reference that one copy of data. The drawback?! If they wouldn't do backups, any error in the database would affect everyone as well and could be unrepairable. The positives?! Everything else. Immense amounts of data storage being saved, among others, and that means removal of technical issues born from data mismanagement, which in turn would allow to make simple, efficient systems. And yes, adding a dyes metadata is just a little bit of data more, and still could be done extremely easily even with database reference. That's how inventory could very well work as well.

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Absolutely agreed. The more I see SE doing things like this the more and more I despair for the future because it reveals enormous flaws in their design.

You only store data on a character's item if it's different from the prototype item. In the case of the glamour dresser it'd be the item's ID number and the ID number of the dye used on it when it was put in the dresser. That's it. There's no reason to store anything else because the rest of it is just the prototype item. The entire item entry in a character's data set should be.. what? Like 8 bytes max?

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Originally Posted by Cylla

You have to start to wonder though, where does the money we pay with our subs, mog station, etc go to? If from what I hear is true and it goes towards other games rather then this one, we'll never amount to what MMO's are today.
If you add up the active amount of subs and mog station money over the years, you'd think that our "limited resource" problem would at least start to be worked on, but it not and what more upsetting is, as the years go on, we as paying player base are being punished for SE mistake in these broken systems. Like for example, the whole housing situation, Auto-demo timer, gil/housing items being held timer, all because of limited resource and not being able to supply all players. When you start looking outside of XIV you start asking yourself, "What other game punishes their player base like this?" 2.0 rushed or not, I feel like after all these years passed the problem of limited resources should've been addressed by now and these systems improved.
I don't foresee XIV lasting for as many years as XI did at the rate it going now. They keep releasing these broken systems, they keep putting band aid after band aid over it, never fixing the actual problem.
I agree, I'd love to hear from someone in SE about these systems and why their not up to par with the rest of the MMO world. It doesn't have to be WoW, but it we sure isn't even near WoW or any other MMO, even the F2P one's.

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I can't find the source anymore, but last year someone on Reddit posted pictures taken at SE's annual stockholder meeting, where there was a pie graph of their revenue. MMORPG's (FFXI and FFXIV) only made up around 14% of their income and their mobile gaming division made up around 40% of the total revenue. Any guesses where SE is pushing their money? /sarcasm

As for where the money from FFXIV goes, IIRC, the money from subscriptions goes directly to SE's main division, it doesn't get sent to the FFXIV team. Only MogStation purchases get earmarked specifically for the FFXIV devs. So, money from MogStation purchases go towards the dev team here, and the rest of their budget is a stipend from the main headquarters.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

That's probably how the armoire should work, but I doubt it actually works that way. If it had technically unlimited space they wouldn't be so stingy about letting us put more items in it.

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They're not stingy. They are either ignorant, do it for the sake of pushing for retainer purchases as Snat said, or are just doing it this way to make the impression there are technical limitations in case something bigger came up and they needed a good excuse.

How to reference database is taught in the first few classes for programming ANYTHING in ANY language. It is the most basic of basic ways to program anything. I cannot imagine the incompetence one would need to show to NOT be able to imagine that solution. Why?! Because it helps literally everything. Money, time, nerves. It reduces the risk of bugs and simplifies the process of updates. In cases like MMO's it even makes the program less susceptible to unauthorized use, even if ever so slightly, because trying to change an items effect for example (to give oneself better stats) would instantly affect everyone else on the server. As far as noticing a group of players having higher stats is difficult, noticing the entire server running around in stuff that is grossly overpowered is easy as a pie.

At this point, I am going to say that the developers do NOT want to solve the issue, rather, that they create it on purpose...or at least misinform players about there being an actual issue in the first place. Majority of the playerbase will just take them at face value without questioning it, and even those, like me, that will not believe them when they say they couldn't do it like this or like that due to some limitations, will probably still continue paying the subscription simply because in general the game is still fun overall.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

In cases like MMO's it even makes the program less susceptible to unauthorized use, even if ever so slightly, because trying to change an items effect for example (to give oneself better stats) would instantly affect everyone else on the server.

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Well, when we were upgrading our anima weapons they were all the same item with different stats. Aetherial gear has different stats too.

And items converted into glamours in the glamour dresser appear to have most of their item data stripped from the tooltip.

https://i.imgur.com/PKsDyL7.png

There's no reason to not just show the normal tooltip unless either item data actually matters or they are trying to trick us into thinking it does.

And if they're just trying to trick us to make us rent more retainers, why give us more inventory at all? Why not have items stored in retainer inventories work with the glamour dresser? Why not make us buy the chocobo backpack instead of giving it away?

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Why not make us buy the chocobo backpack instead of giving it away?

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I have no doubt marketing has the ad print for premium/additional packs ready for the mogstation after people get used to using it.

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Took wow 10 years + to come out with it. IN S/E defense.

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If something becomes the new standard then we should not be fine if SE cant live up to that. They like to go around and say how many people played the game and how successfull it is. If you want to be on the top you have to put money in it. I mean we will probably not accept a game that is released in ten years but that is outdated from the start.

I am not even blaming the normal employees. Who knows how hard they fight to get more budget..I am blaming SE as a whole company that seems to take the money and mostly finance other stuff with it..which would be fine as long as FF14 itself gets more than enough to stay on the top. I mean even Yoshida himself stated that he would like more ressources but does not get them..

And the only way to get a chance is enough people complaining about it and not being fine with a band aid.

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I still can not think of a single reason why the AF2 & AF3 gear can't even go in there.

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Because both of those sets are easily re-obtainable. AF2 through Centurio seals, and AF3 from the Calamity Salvager, at 1k gil per piece. Especially the AF3 set, since 1k gil is pretty much nothing, nowadays.