Can we as paying customers agree the lack of Housing is simply unacceptable to SE?

i think its more than fair to own just 1 house per server. so if you play with friends/alts on another you still have the option to have 1.

need before greed

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I feel like a good question would be what could possibly be lost by changing the system so everyone can access housing? Don't say "other content" because that's not how game development works, they have teams for different things.

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Nothing would be lost. They already have instances for the interiors. All they need to do is to add the exterior to the interior instance and you have instanced housing. This also fixes the server resource requirements of the ward system and would allow server housing resource allocation to become dynamic. You could add in a way to select the exterior view and make a common area with all of the shops, etc where the common entrance would be.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Housing is like in the real world, first come , first serve. SE has taken steps to help the problem. The real issue is that do to Gill Sellers they monopolize many wards. SE can't really do anything unless they have solid proof of violation. So for now call in days off, call in sick, use vacation time, camp areas out. That's how most of us got them anyways. That and default from Non FC leaders showing up.

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Is it now? In the real world, I can hire a realtor and give specifics on what I want in terms of square feet, property lot and neighbourhood. I'm only limited by my own budget. So where's this feature in the game?

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Some of us are just more dedicated than others and work around RL.

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Alright, Mr. Dedicated. When everyone alarm clocks the patch at 6am EST, flooding the servers en masse only to get barred by a 600+ person queue blocking their access for several minutes, how do they "work around" it? Transfer servers? There are not enough houses by half regardless of server. And it won't make a difference if the whole datacenter crashes, which has happened due to that aforementioned flooding.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Besides with all the other optional content like PvP complains and such it makes more sense to address those issues before housing.

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Right. The devs should focus on content people actually want to do. Considering glamour is by and large the most popular aspect of this game, and housing is essentially an extension of glamour. They should focus on improving housing! I'm glad you agree. :)

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

Nothing would be lost. They already have instances for the interiors. All they need to do is to add the exterior to the interior instance and you have instanced housing. This also fixes the server resource requirements of the ward system and would allow server housing resource allocation to become dynamic. You could add in a way to select the exterior view and make a common area with all of the shops, etc where the common entrance would be.

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Exactly, which makes me wonder why on earth anyone would argue against improving the housing system so that everyone has access, unless they just like feeling special and unique because they managed to get one.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

they just like feeling special and unique because they managed to get one.

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This is exactly why they do. There is no other logical explanation.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

unless they just like feeling special and unique because they managed to get one.

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Originally Posted by Amenian

This is exactly why they do. There is no other logical explanation.

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I think those that feel this way are the rarity. I rent a house (I don't feel I own something I pay a monthly subscription for). I feel most home owners wouldn't be bothered with instanced housing as long as it didn't take anything away from what they currently have. I know it wouldn't bother me. I have seen one player in my ward since I built my house and to be honest it was kind of creepy as they followed me around and sat beside me without typing a word. In fact if it had a common area and entrance similar to the inn rooms it would feel more alive to me. I think the neighborhood idea was a noble experiment unfortunately it hasn't been successful.

I think it's more of the "prestige" with owning a house. Because it's so limited, it makes people feel special, like owning a collectable item that was a limited run IRL or something. It's a problem that unfortunately seems to be pretty pervasive in online games.

A good example of the attitude would I think be in WoW when transmog (glamour) was added and it was discovered that you couldn't transmog your gear to the old level 60 PVP gear unless you reached a certain rank in Vanilla, which only a very small portion of people obtained then, and even fewer were still playing (note: this has since been changed). It was a stupid restriction, because you could obtain and wear the actual gear itself still. You just couldn't glamour the appearance, and the biggest argument people had against allowing it to be used for transmog was "it marks that person as being a super dedicated player" when in reality, it was nothing but a big grind to get in a game rife with terrible balancing and PVP design. And again, any level 60 schmuck could still put on the gear and wear it; I used it a lot for leveling alts before heirloom gear was added. People just wanted to feel special.

Things we would lose:
"neighborhoods": You would never meet another player JUST because they happened to buy a house next to you.
"location": there are no special locations for your house now. You're just another house. No hotspring/waterfall/swimminghole access nearby or neat view over all other houses.
"curiosity tourists": no more attracting people to come look at your house or decorations just because you've been creative with the exterior.

... that's it.

I'd say it's worth it to lose these things if everyone can have a go at housing. I own a house in a neat location but I'm all for it: +1 Gimme instanced housing so everyone gets one!

One fc and personal house per player account or instanced housing needs to happen.

Over all the only people complaining are those who don't have houses because the game feel unfair. SE created new servers when SB came out to help with the congestion. They gave incentives to people for moving and people in other servers complain that they lost their chances at housing because of that. Over all each server is different and consider the following:


Bottom line Life isn't fair, gaming isn't fair to those who are at the bottom, yet there are players who manage to climb to the top even when the odds are against them. This coming update will be the same issue again no matter what server anyone is on and people will still complain it isn't fair. Those who want a house bad enough will get it and I'm pretty sure people will complain about DC's. / They had to work / They got screwed / or make some petty excuse. I respect everyone's perspective and if people really want to build a house or play house there go marry someone with a house. Ask the FC to give you those rights to store or use what ever perks it has. I mean I'm sure that is what most FC do right? Then again before I became a one man FC I kept getting screwed and as we or most of us know if your not part of the main Founding group you get screwed. Therefor I will wish you guys luck in this upcoming housing release. No hard feelings to anyone and just a friendly advice; we all have our perspectives and experiences and hope you guys started scouting the market by getting ready to go to the plots of people who are looking to relocate for a chance at older wards. hint hint.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Over all the only people complaining are those who don't have houses because the game feel unfair.

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Nope your wrong I have FC house and personal and still think it's unfair on people who cant get a house. Also when there is people that own 16 houses per character then the system is broken.
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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Nope your wrong I have FC house and personal and still think it's unfair on people who cant get a house. Also when there is people that own 16 houses per character then the system is broken.
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An those people took the time and took advantage of the situation most likely RTM traders which we all know ruin the game for everyone. That is human nature and SE only makes the product. If paying customers miss use it and affect other members, as long as they aren't violating the terms of use, per say, or SE can't prove it then it's fair game. In court evidence is all that matters so they have to protect themselves. If a person owns 16 houses it doesn't matter, if they followed the proper protocol. Can you find anything on the terms of use that contradicts those actions or gives the impression of a breech of agreement? Or anyone in here for that matter? If not then your complain is invalid.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

An those people took the time and took advantage of the situation most likely RTM traders which we all know ruin the game for everyone...........

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I'm guessing by the way you defending the sytem you are one of these that has multiple houses on your account. You can't say first come first served on a game that has been running for multiple years. Otherwise all that happens is the game loses subs.

Obv SE didn't think people would be as greedy to own multiple houses and I'm sure one day it will be rectified.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I'm guessing by the way you defending the sytem you are one of these that has multiple houses on your account. You can't say first come first served on a game that has been running for multiple years. Otherwise all that happens is you lose subs.

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Nope I was one of the nice ones that plays one main account, has one alternate character on same server ( and uses my main FC house with full access ), and actually to help the community sold my personal one. I now only focus on my FC one. So yes there are some players who feel bad for the community and I decided to give up a plot to less fortunate friend who showed me that they were dedicated to the game and deserved one. Besides logging in to different characters and maintaining multiple houses is just a waste of time. So before you judge feel free to ask a persons personal housing situation. No to be rude, I stand with the side of logic not emotions. Our perspective may not agree, yet I'm still waiting for a logical response that doesn't evolve emotions or blaming others. Everyone has made very interesting arguments yet they all lack a very crucial valid point which I'm surprised no one has come across it and I have mentioned several times.

By the way if you own a FC one and a Personal one aren't you also adding to the problem? Technically you have full access to remodel as you like and if anything easier being people can help you. So Show us that you can be a compassionate player and give up your personal one. I'm sure your willing to help out the community as well, I know sell it to someone here in your same server. I'm sure it will be greatly appreciated and karma will help you ten fold. ^^. It wouldn't be fair being you also paid a subscription and are entitled to an FC and personal one. I know but hey I'm sure someone will appreciate your good deed.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

By the way if you own a FC one and a Personal one aren't you also adding to the problem? Technically you have full access to remodel as you like and if anything easier being people can help you. So Show us that you can be a compassionate player and give up your personal one. I'm sure your willing to help out the community as well, I know sell it to someone here in your same server. I'm sure it will be greatly appreciated and karma will help you ten fold. ^^. It wouldn't be fair being you also paid a subscription and are entitled to an FC and personal one. I know but hey I'm sure someone will appreciate your good deed.

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lol. I don't decorate the FC house it was purchased by everyone in the FC, so it's only right that they have the right to decorate it. This will be the same when we purchase a mansion. We saved up for the mansion as an FC it will be decorated by the FC. As for my personal house I will decorate it how I please.

As for everything else what a load of rubbish.

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So yes there are some players who feel bad for the community and I decided to give up a plot to less fortunate friend who showed me that they were dedicated to the game and deserved one.

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Damn you full of yourself. Your friend had to prove themselves. If I wanted to give up my house I would just give it to them not with conditions attached or having them prove their worth.

Agree completely. And if I can ever meet Yoshida I am going to tell him right in his face that limited housing is bullshit. Not that I'll ever get to meet him.

How is it even remotely reasonable in a subscription based game to lock a significant segment of the content behind "first come first serve"? Imagine if Ultimate Bahamut is only accessible by the first 3000 of the level 70 players who log in to a server after the maintenance. And every few patches or so, another 1000 players will be allowed to access it.

Hey, they logged in first, they deserve it, right?

It's a ridiculous situation and I hope someone can slap some sense into the person responsible for this design.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

lol. I don't decorate the FC house it was purchased by everyone in the FC, so it's only right that they have the right to decorate it. This will be the same when we purchase a mansion. We saved up for the mansion as an FC it will be decorated by the FC. As for my personal house I will decorate it how I please.


As for everything else what a load of rubbish.



Damn you full of yourself. Your friend had to prove themselves. If I wanted to give up my house I would just give it to them not with conditions attached or proving your worth.

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It's just a simple solution. As for my friend, if you must know, he helped people in need, helped out the LS, and wasn't one of those moronic people that start an FC or LS with empty promises that only helps when he feels like it or he has to gain anything from it. I choose not to join FC's for that reason so I'm more of an LS member for them. If they need my airships or gardening I help them out. I help players who would like to have a temp home or need facilities to enjoy the game. Rank 8 , Mansion, build from the ground up with out and not having to bother people. Even airships with the four people needed I paid my dues by shouts and offering rewards for assistance. I'm not being full of my self, I know hard work pays off. So people who feel they should get something just because they pay a subscription sad. I know common sense is a dying trait yet even after being polite people lose their temper over the simplest of things is just plain moronic.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

If they need my airships or gardening I help them out. I help players who would like to have a temp home or need facilities to enjoy the game. Rank 8 , Mansion, build from the ground up with out and not having to bother people. Even airships with the four people needed I paid my dues by shouts and offering rewards for assistance. I'm not being full of my self, I know hard work pays off. So people who feel they should get something just because they pay a subscription sad.

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Same with ours everyone can garden, send airships, decorate, use company chest and use workstation. That's why I disagreed with you it's a Free Company not an upgraded personal house.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Same with ours everyone can garden, send airships, decorate, use company chest and use workstation. That's why I disagreed with you it's a Free Company not an upgraded personal house.

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You do realize I'm comparing to a one man FC. An FC that everyone purchased is great an all and perhaps your FC is unique and gets along. If they get along that is great, from my personal experience and not getting a home until later on the game, FC's are not as friendly specially in Legacy servers. So everyone experience can vary. I personally gave my personal one being I'm a one man FC and decorations can be somewhat limited in rooms inside of an FC. I get that the point, everyone has had their experience and blaming a company for for an expectation just based on a fee that is more for access to a game, notes; experiences may vary, and most of the problems are caused by other players such as multiple plots are just petty things. Yes feedback can help, yet suppose SE does limit the plots to one plot per account. What new problems will arise?

"My alternate can't get a house this is BS",

"Those who have FC's and are leaders should get special treatment and be given an additional plot being it's being used up and can't get a personal one"

" No fair I can't get a big plot because all are taken I want to upgrade my house."

There will no pleasing people. This is the nature of business...yes companies change their products based on feed back and in a perfect world a company wouldn't care about making a profit just pleasing their whole customers. What people don't understand is that this is what keeps competition constant. Now if SE were to offer an optional service for housing as an optional service would people pay for it? Have a special server just for paying customer and with in 7 days if payment fails or isn't updated auto demolish? There are several possibilities and to be honest if an idea like this came about what are they going to complain about next?

"Well yeah they fixed the housing problem but it's BS we have to pay more"

So in a way it's also a matter of competition. If people want to decorate or make pretty things play something else like the Sims. IF you want to do it in this game many have to bite the bullet and patiently wait for new areas, or be creative.

I sympathize with everyone who does not have a house but everyone does have some type of option.

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I like ffxiv housing system, better than instance housing. When I had one I felt like I had a home and property in the actual world. Other places that do instance housing, I feel isolated from the world. And I can sense that I'm in a fake digital space where in ffxiv, I feel like my house has a real spot in the map.

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I like ffxiv housing system, better than instance housing. When I had one I felt like I had a home and property in the actual world. Other places that do instance housing, I feel isolated from the world. And I can sense that I'm in a fake digital space where in ffxiv, I feel like my house has a real spot in the map.

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That's the thing why have one or the other just do both. Make instanced housing cheaper or give the apartments access to communal gardening plots/workshop. This way people gain access to the whole system but if you want a non instanced house/garden you have to pay more.

@ManuelBravo - Nope. I have an FC house and I still find the housing unfair. Doesn't matter if "life isn't fair"; wasn't sure if you were aware of this, but FFXIV isn't "life", it's a "video game." The housing situation in this game is the worst, and there are more people that agree with that than disagree. Please get off your high horse. You are no more special that me or the Average Joe. Everyone should have a chance at housing, and, as it stands, that is not the case.

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You do realize I'm comparing to a one man FC. An FC that everyone purchased is great an all and perhaps your FC is unique and gets along. If they get along that is great, from my personal experience and not getting a home until later on the game, FC's are not as friendly specially in Legacy servers.

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Sorry I was right about you the first time I never realised you had a solo house.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

That's the thing why have one or the other just do both. Make instanced housing cheaper or give the apartments access to communal gardening plots/workshop. This way people gain access to the whole system but if you want a non instanced house/garden you have to pay more.

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I don't disagree with that, I'm just weary of anyone who wants it replaced with instance housing.

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@ManuelBravo - Nope. I have an FC house and I still find the housing unfair. Doesn't matter if "life isn't fair"; wasn't sure if you were aware of this, but FFXIV isn't "life", it's a "video game." The housing situation in this game is the worst, and there are more people that agree with that than disagree. Please get off your high horse. You are no more special that me or the Average Joe. Everyone should have a chance at housing, and, as it stands, that is not the case.

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@HyMinPark apparently you have comprehension skills challenges and or may have not noticed the whole part when I mentioned " We all pay subscriptions no one is special" Apparently you also missed the part were I said some experiences can be related to RL. Therefor I respect your perspective and everyone else... If you read; Thread: Can we as paying customers agree the lack of Housing is simply unacceptable to SE? the question mark is a form of inviting perspectives that may or may not don't agree. If it read "Show your support, paying customers agree Housing system is unacceptable let's do a petition" ( Freebie topic to help you guys here ) Most of these comments may make some sense. I am just like you, I work hard for my money, pay my dues, with the exception that just step back and look at a bigger picture. Thank you for your perspective as an FC holder, as narrow as it may be.

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I don't disagree with that, I'm just weary of anyone who wants it replaced with instance housing.

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There is nothing wrong with instanced housing—with instanced housing everyone can have a house, not just less than 25% of the playerbase. Which, there are already individuals that own multiples, so that percentage of homeowners in this game is, realistically, even lower. While the wards may be nice, I personally don’t care if they did away with them and shifted to instanced housing—most of the wards on my server are dead except for 2-3 people that loiter by market boards or summoning bells, and they definitely don’t feel neighborhood-y at all. So, pardon me, but I don’t understand your weariness.

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@HyMinPark apparently you have comprehension skills challenges and or may have not noticed the whole part when I mentioned " We all pay subscriptions no one is special" Apparently you also missed the part were I said some experiences can be related to RL. Therefor I respect your perspective and everyone else... If you read; Thread: Can we as paying customers agree the lack of Housing is simply unacceptable to SE? the question mark is a form of inviting perspectives that may or may not don't agree. If it read "Show your support, paying customers agree Housing system is unacceptable let's do a petition" ( Freebie topic to help you guys here ) Most of these comments may make some sense. I am just like you, I work hard for my money, pay my dues, with the exception that just step back and look at a bigger picture. Thank you for your perspective as an FC holder, as narrow as it may be.

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Nope. My comprehension skills are just fine, but thank you for your concerns. You were advocating “fairness” in one post (“We all pay the same subscription”) and then entitlement in the next (“This game is like life, and life isn’t fair”; “I work hard for my money, pay my dues”; “Some people work harder than others”). Insinuating that you really aren’t advocating for fairness; you like your perks. News flash: you are not the only one who “works hard” and “pays their dues”. And I raise to you again: this is a video game; not “real life”.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

There is nothing wrong with instanced housing—with instanced housing everyone can have a house, not just less than 25% of the playerbase.

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You quoted me out of context. I agreed to add them, not replace th current system. And I already explained why I like ffxiv's housing more

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Nope. My comprehension skills are just fine, but thank you for your concerns. You were advocating “fairness” in one post (“We all pay the same subscription”) and then entitlement in the next (“This game is like life, and life isn’t fair”; “I work hard for my money, pay my dues”; “Some people work harder than others”). Insinuating that you really aren’t advocating for fairness; you like your perks. News flash: you are not the only one who “works hard” and “pays their dues”. And I raise to you again: this is a video game; not “real life”.

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As per my previous comment you apparently omit info? Did you also see/read the part that reads " I am just like you, I work hard for my money, pay my dues,or do you like omitting info and just place the quotes so others can think your giving all info? Once again I am not saying this game is real life, SOME meaning; unspecified but considerable in number, amount, degree, etc.: aspects can be related to real life. The story line , characters , items , actions, ect are not real. I am NOT saying that the rules in Eorzea are those in the real world, only that they are similar in terms of principal. As for the Life reference it's a form of sarcasm and reality. Way to demonstrate the American Educational system. -.-; at it's best.

Wow someone actually started a petition. Imagine that.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tanced-housing

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Way to demonstrate the American Educational system. -.-; at it's best.

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Ah, my favorite! "Someone disagrees with me! Quick! Result to unneeded personal insults!"

There's obviously no use arguing with you. You can't make a cohesive argument, and I don't have time to debate with people that result to personal jabs when others challenge their posts and/or disagree with them. Have a lovely day!

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/handover salt

You forgot your seasoning. Also, can you share some of your pop corn please?

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Ah, my favorite! "Someone disagrees with me! Quick! Result to unneeded personal insults!"

There's obviously no use arguing with you. You can't make a cohesive argument, and I don't have time to debate with people that result to personal jabs when others challenge their posts and/or disagree with them. Have a lovely day!

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The evidence speaks for it self and yet after various insults you can take one. I've turned the cheek several times yet those people kept everything I said with integrity and deserve my respect....however a person who doesn't even have the courtesy or integrity to keep and quote properly and omit to change the perspective in my opinion does not. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, apparently by saying your comprehension skills were fine and I quote " Nope. My comprehension skills are just fine, but thank you for your concerns." yet you apparently omitted and missed that it leads me to believe that you put people down when some one is being polite. I tolerate people at least once, after that I no longer see you as an equal. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but hey hopefully you learn going forward to be at a minimum accurate when quoting people. I'm sure that based on the responses I've gotten over a perspective your comprehension skills could at the very least noticed that I turned my cheek several times and wasn't rude. Those people at least had the courtesy to quote properly. Those people I can at least respect even if our perspectives clashed..While that comment might of been a bit harsh, I shouldn't of taken it out and made it to reflect all of Americas educational system...No system/person is perfect specially since most pass just by paper work and don't understand anything anyways, yet at least our actions reflect who we are.

This games forums are always amazing how there is always someone that will argue tooth and nail against improving the game, QoL or otherwise. Meanwhile SE would rather scalp the game for more money than invest in fixing this mess.

If I don't manage to get one within 5 minutes of 4.1 launching (as all housing plots will be sold by then and exorbitant house flipping will commence) I'll probably just unsub until the next Expansion when they decide to grace us with more plots. As a person who has been playing this game since 2.0 nothing has made me consider unsubbing, but this is the one thing that has pushed me over the edge. The silence and non-response by SE to address this over multiple Live Letters, Dev blogs or forum post for over 3 years is beyond frustrating and buying a story potion would be cheaper than continuing to subscribe for the next 2Y+ until they figure out housing in the next Expansion.

If SE can cater to the sub 1% of the player base in (Ultimate), why in the world not for the other 99.9% that want a legitimate chance at acquiring housing?

Could you imagine a scenario in which High End Raid get was limited per server (like 25 WAR Axes, 124 WHM Canes, or only 10 Aiming Rings) and if you weren't WORLD FIRST you could not get those until those people quit the game or relinquished those items? That is how Housing is in this game...

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If I don't manage to get one within 5 minutes of 4.1 launching (as all housing plots will be sold by then and exorbitant house flipping will commence) I'll probably just unsub until the next Expansion when they decide to grace us with more plots. As a person who has been playing this game since 2.0 nothing has made me consider unsubbing, but this is the one thing that has pushed me over the edge. The silence and non-response by SE to address this over multiple Live Letters, Dev blogs or forum post for over 3 years is beyond frustrating and buying a story potion would be cheaper than continuing to subscribe for the next 2Y+ until they figure out housing in the next Expansion.

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This is kinda where I'm at too.

Honestly, if they would just come right out and simply say that they're listening to the complaints and they're working on a solution, I would be fine. I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be ready to quit like I am now. But like I keep saying, despite the current state of housing, they're still opening up Shirogane and allowing alts to buy houses. I'm not saying banning alts from buying houses in Shirogane would suddenly solve everything, but it would at least be a small sign that they're trying to course correct. The fact that people with houses can continue to stand in the way of the people without houses is emblematic of the bigger problem: SE just doesn't care.

The most they've ever said on the subject, as far as I know, has essentially been "servers are expensive and we don't have enough room to add infinite wards like the ones we have now." Okay, i buy that. But for the love of God, just start working on instanced housing then. Why on earth am I continuing to pay a sub so they can continue to dump all these resources into housing features and items, but I can't use any of it? And why not just come out and say "instanced housing will never be a thing" if that's the case so we can just stop asking and move on? I can't tell if they don't say anything because they legitimately don't know or they don't want use to leave. That's kinda what drives me insane more than anything and after years of waiting for them to get it together, I'm reaching a breaking point.

Does anyone know how other regions feel about the current housing situation? I hate to be "that person," but I'm starting to feel like maybe they don't consider this an issue because JP players don't consider it an issue.

All of the other forums here do share some of the same complaints in regards to housing but they get the same cold shoulder from SE about this. I decided to unsubscribe and only have 6 days of service left which means it runs out on Thursday. So if I don't get a plot and if SE doesn't care about the player base to even bother addressing it, I'm not going to continue paying them until they change since there is nothing I can do to make more plots.

I can finish all of 4.1's content within a couple of hours as we're not getting Rival Wings until 4.15 (this was supposed to be out at SB Launch btw), (Ultimate) in 4.11 which is catered only for the sub 1% and Eureka isn't even coming until 4.2 (if ever). I will make a patch by patch purchasing decision until they decide to get their act together and fix this ridiculous housing system and allow people to actually participate.

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I decided to unsubscribe and only have 6 days of service left which means it runs out on Thursday.

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If everyone did this instead of making threads or posting about how "there's nothing" and then continuing to pay? Things would change. Personally I find there's much for me to experience still, but the loudest voice you have is your dollar. The day I'm actually unsatisfied is the day I cease paying.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Over all the only people complaining are those who don't have houses because the game feel unfair.

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I have a house. speak for yourself.

I'm a solo player who would love to have my own house in Limsa Lominsa. And yet, I will probably be there along with everyone else the second the patch goes live to grab one in Shirogane. Why? Granted, I could just wait and check for people moving out of Limsa to Shirogane, then grab their old plot when they leave. But why risk it? After waiting so long, I'm willing to cut some corners if it means I get my own pad. Because like many players out there who solo, we are tired of having to pay an arm and a leg for stuff that can be gardened and whatnot for a fraction of the cost. I've already sold practically everything I have that can be sold just to get the gold for this, and even then, I might get on a split second too late for any of this to matter.

In closing, to anyone who doesn't have a house, keep up the good fight! :cool: And if you play in any worlds that actually have some open plots after the initial rush dies down, give a shout out on the forums!