Unlimited Sprint outside of Combat or Combat Zones.

I'm leveling a lot of alts. (I just like making pretty charactersa lot, can't waste having made them). That means I know awfully well how annoying it is to have this huge sprint cooldown on you. You can teleport in cities. After unlocking the aetherytes. You can use mounts. After level 20, when you're not in a city. And some things you can't use aetherytes or mounts for (read: Miounne, and running between her and whatever other place constantly).
Hell, you don't even have to be new. Just gather. sure you can mount up all the time but it's not the best experience. Do anything where you have to run between to people multiple times. Supply leves, the people don't stand right at the aetheryte but you can't sprint in cities. Or just have slow internet, so going from point a to point b on a city map is still faster than teleporting.
It would do literally no harm to anyone to at least make sprint a little better. The only reason speaking against it is "Well I can use mounts and I don't do anything I'd have to use sprint for, so you're just out of luck".

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Omg people got so impatient on everything to the point they now want perma-sprint... next step will be quests with instant teleport to quest places.

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Tbh quests are a ballache, I'd rather they just deleted them and give the rewards instantly.
I'm only half-joking btw.

Y'know, as someone still doing new people quests around towns and not wanting to mount for every time I wander a field map, the Sprint nerf hurts my experience and the time between sprints is long enough to be frustrating to all my friends who have tried the game out.

That said, we dont really need an unlimited sprint either. I was fine with how it was before. With the old cooldown it was 1:1 sprinting to cooldown, so you were sprinting half the time. I don’t have any real issue with that. As it is now, though, you're spending what, 1/4th of the time sprinting and the rest on cooldown? A 1:3 split? This almost makes sprint kinda worthless for my important NPC delivery service I'm running here, so maybe a compromise between the current way Sprint works and the old way.

If you do not have full TP, sprint works as it does.
If you do have full TP, Sprint consumes half your TP and doubles the Sprint duration.

Maybe a caveat that sprint only does the second outside of instanced areas, I dunno, but where I'm at in the game TP consumption doesnt really hurt me in fields and definitely doesnt in towns. This also allows Hermes Shoes to continue to work as intended and brings Sprint back to that 1:1 ratio.

Well, anyway, I'm some dumb newish player who has not done content past lv 30 yet. Maybe this is a bad idea for some reason. But as I see it, this is a compromise that keeps all the benefits for thier usage scenarios (competitive or w/e people wanted TP vs Hydaelyn's Delivery Service of Light LLC).

I think the more if's we add, the more it could add problems in the game.

I could be wrong but I think the premise behind this thread is wanting less button clicks and a better sprint.

Now it's either walking most of the time or mounting/dismounting before that gather or talk and after it.

It's like having to get on a horse to go from your bed to the bathroom, get off horse, use bathroom, get back on horse, go to bed, get off the horse, lay down.

Couldn't it be so much simpler? Hermes shoes could have the effect changed so they still get a boon.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

the enemies that cast heavy on you

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You'll sometimes only get Heavy if you are on a Mount so if you think you'll get hit just dismount and then sprint then mount again. And if a healer hit with heavy dismount use Esuna then sprint, then mount when possible!

And I really just want the normal cooldown for sprint like it was in 2.0 and 3.0 and it will only have this effect while out of combat! And 4.0 sprint while in combat or while in PvP it wouldn't change in PVP. (the spring not costing TP is good but the CD it too. (I don't care of anything unlimited) and with mount speed upgrades mounts are even better now, but I still just want the normal sprint CD back!

Will add: why have to walk or running? lets give a teleport option to wherever we need to go so we solve problem from the root.
Ah, forgot it.... and all aetherites already unlocked by default.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

i dont see why they should do it , since players want always more and more and faster and faster , to the point wher it becomes useless , and one will just get bored ^^

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i believe players have a right to demand either change or more content, then live with the consequences if they feel as if there are any. making it sound like a bad thing is not going to change their minds, nor should it change mine.

it has never stopped, nor is it going to ever.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Will add: why have to walk or running? lets give a teleport option to wherever we need to go so we solve problem from the root.
Ah, forgot it.... and all aetherites already unlocked by default.

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Ya ever heard of balance? Like, that thing where it's not good if something too much one way but it's also bad if it's too much the other?

Sprint needs some kind of change, or some new ability for town running/and or when not in combat. I do not understand the need to increase the cool down, no reason for that change.

Make Sprint durability longer if on Ninja

:/ Most comments here are made based on the assumption that all people using sprint are max level, with all aetherytes attuned and mounts unlocked. Kind of disappointed players <lv20 aren't even brought up.
For alts and actual new players this isn't particularly fun...
Even if toggle isn't possible, 2.x/3.x cooldown on sprint (when not in instanced fights) would already be pretty good - whichever is easier to implement, really. And I really don't see this being a change big enough to take up that much time.

The valid reason is because your character will tire out.

If realism is that important then maybe SE could bring back the fatigue system..

It's a quality of life change, the biggest one in my opinion, though Ixion is important, it is self contained.

Movement speed affects the whole game and makes a better experience. Don't tell me people wouldn't go off the deep end if mount speed was taken away or nerfed.

I think it should be unlimited outside combat, but it doesn't have to be. It must be more lenient and usable for a better experience though.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

:/ Most comments here are made based on the assumption that all people using sprint are max level, with all aetherytes attuned and mounts unlocked. Kind of disappointed players <lv20 aren't even brought up.
For alts and actual new players this isn't particularly fun...

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When i was a new player, i wasn't using sprint at all. I was too busy enjoying scenarys i never saw, and searching in which direction i should go in all these maps i didn't know. Seeing some mobs with 20 levels more than i was ten meters ahead across a bridge, with an gard near it telling me "errrr seeing your current capabilities you might want to go back", i sure didn't feel like running everywhere at full speed like a retard. Especially when nearly everything was aggroing me.

And for alts, with more experience you dont stay that long without a mount.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Will add: why have to walk or running? lets give a teleport option to wherever we need to go so we solve problem from the root.
Ah, forgot it.... and all aetherites already unlocked by default.

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Hinterlands needs its own Aetheryte and 2 and would be nice! And all zones could use a few Aethernet Shards maybe even quests to add them or make the quests so you can interact to be able to attune to them or repair them and attune to them in Hinterlands< cause you do or did see some destroyed ones in some places?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Sprint needs some kind of change, or some new ability for town running/and or when not in combat. I do not understand the need to increase the cool down, no reason for that change.

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I"ve already said something about sprint should only be affected by combat in Post #33 and Post #45

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Originally Posted by Felis

Make Sprint durability longer if on Ninja

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Just no NIN already has their movement speed trait!

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Originally Posted by gtasthehunter

I"ve already said something about sprint should only be affected by combat in Post #33 and Post #45


Just no NIN already has their movement speed trait!

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Just adding support, more people that speak out, more chance for change.

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Originally Posted by Rakiria

Ya ever heard of balance?

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Yes, it is a nice AST buff, really useful!

2018, in the extension after Stormblood, all outdoor maps are boring straight lines corridors without any imagination, liberty and identity, like in a shitty corean f2p. Same for all the towns.

The players : "devs, why you do this ? You used to design so much better maps !"
The devs : "well, players were not caring anyway, they all want to speedrun everything by going from point A to point B instantly, not looking at anything around them."
The players : "that's not true !"
The devs : "you mean, like when we stopped to do multi paths donjons because you were all running them in the shortest straight line ?"
The players : "..."
The devs : "see, why should we bother to do nice things ?"

Player A: Walking around towns with no teleports is not fun.
Player B: We can sprint.
Devs: You have sprint.
Player A: But It only last a few seconds..
Devs: OK we will add aetheryte crystals.

Player A: Walking in outdoors is no fun.
Player B: We can sprint.
Devs: You have sprint.
Player A: But It only last a few seconds..
Devs: OK we will add aetheryte crystals and mounts.

Player A: We love the teleports and mounts but the mounts are too slow.
Player B: My mount speed is just fine.
Devs: Ok we will make the mounts faster.
Player A: Wow, this is awesome.
Player B: Wow, this is awesome, I don't know why I was happy before.

Player A: We love the teleports and mounts, the mounts are so fast.
Player B: Yeah, thanks for that devs.
Devs: /smiles

Player A: We love the atmosphere but feel a better sprint would make interactions more smooth and fun.
Player B: Why do you want a faster longer lasting sprint? You can't enjoy the scenery if you move too fast.
Player A: I still enjoy the scenery when I want, but when I don't want to that is what teleports are for.
Devs: /listens to both feedbacks.

What happens next?

How about we remove moving out of combat completely from the game? You get a map and can click and you will teleported to the location of your choice. But clicking is kinda annoying as well after some time, so maybe we can have a menu based navigation? The menues could show pictures in the background of the areas we would be footslogging through, just to keep a little bit of immersion up. But not too much, that is scary and uncomfortable.

The young kids today.
Back in the old days, during the first half year of 1.x, there was no sprint, no city aetherites and no mounts. Not even airship.
Have to deliver a finished crafting leve to camp Bluefog? You have to run those 15 minutes on food and hope that you don't pull aggro short at the goal. And we did it every day.
Yes, that were nice old days ^^

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

Player A: Walking around towns with no teleports is not fun.
Player B: We can sprint.
Devs: You have sprint.
Player A: But It only last a few seconds..
Devs: OK we will add aetheryte crystals.

Player A: Walking in outdoors is no fun.
Player B: We can sprint.
Devs: You have sprint.
Player A: But It only last a few seconds..
Devs: OK we will add aetheryte crystals and mounts.

Player A: We love the teleports and mounts but the mounts are too slow.
Player B: My mount speed is just fine.
Devs: Ok we will make the mounts faster.
Player A: Wow, this is awesome.
Player B: Wow, this is awesome, I don't know why I was happy before.

Player A: We love the teleports and mounts, the mounts are so fast.
Player B: Yeah, thanks for that devs.
Devs: /smiles

Player A: We love the atmosphere but feel a better sprint would make interactions more smooth and fun.
Player B: Why do you want a faster longer lasting sprint? You can't enjoy the scenery if you move too fast.
Player A: I still enjoy the scenery when I want, but when I don't want to that is what teleports are for.
Devs: /listens to both feedbacks.

What happens next?

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that is mostly what it boils down to with every conversation discussing movement in general. some people do not like these QoL changes at first, but i dont think they have a legitimate reason to care in the first place so they will like it anyway.

the difference now is that sprint's recent changes, while extremely useful as a combat ability, negatively affected the pace and flow of the free open world. while yes we can use mounts, there are still scenarios where it would be less clunky to simply use sprint to get to your destination.

this is why i want sprint to only be limited within combat, because i see absolutely no reason why it should be limited outside of combat in the free open world.

I just took an alt from 1 to 55. I leveled up doing fates, leves msq and the odd side quest here and there. I know for a fact that the necessity of sprint before getting access to mounts is very exaggerated. If the issue is boredom from doing the run on your 20th alt then I guess it's still OK because this game is made so you can have everything on one character.

This game isn't slow at all by mmo standards. Besides final fantasy isn't a universe where everyone flies trough the air at lightspeed and boosts themselves across the streets in a flash. It's a universe of ships, airships, chocobos and the occasional floating city.
It would feel and look hugely out of place if everyone was on Crack all the time.

Unlimited means it's no longer a sprint at all, just a new default running speed. But the animation was designed to be a sprint, and would look horrible as a default running speed. So I don't want it unlimited. A trivial improvement in reaching areas sooner isn't worth wreaking the look of the game and spoiling people's immersion. So I don't want it unlimited. I do, however, want its cooldown back to where it used to be in open world areas, or at least while on a DoL class.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Unlimited means it's no longer a sprint at all, just a new default running speed.

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While I'm personally cool with an in-combat speed boost as well, the idea behind the suggestion is that you could keep it up outside of combat (thus making it the new normal) while still maintaining the current speed as a default while in combat.

The other option would be to drop sprint altogether, boost the normal run speed, and then force 'combat speed' whenever you take aggro (a la GW2). I'm not hugely fond of this approach since I can currently pre-sprint through combat at least, but eh...

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Originally Posted by Skogli

I just took an alt from 1 to 55. I leveled up doing fates, leves msq and the odd side quest here and there. I know for a fact that the necessity of sprint before getting access to mounts is very exaggerated. If the issue is boredom from doing the run on your 20th alt then I guess it's still OK because this game is made so you can have everything on one character.

This game isn't slow at all by mmo standards. Besides final fantasy isn't a universe where everyone flies trough the air at lightspeed and boosts themselves across the streets in a flash. It's a universe of ships, airships, chocobos and the occasional floating city.
It would feel and look hugely out of place if everyone was on Crack all the time.

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Necessity of anything is in the eye of the beholder.You can do everything, but not really. There are caps on gears, items, and progression. I said it before, but earning something once is a rewarding privilege in my point of view. But the game isn't built for just my point of view. Not everyone thinks the privilege is worth slogging through a slow game for 20-30 hours before it gets good.

Combat doesn't get interesting or quick until much later. Some might say that repeated thing, that all mmos start out slow, and that's not really true. Some do and some don't. But some reviews and videos and stuff point out the game starts too slow.

It should never be ok for a game to get boring for players from the developer's view. Regardless if the game was designed for one character can be everything, there are limitations. And why would a dev want to push away players used to alt based games?

The original director wondered if jump was needed for a Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy has no boundaries, each entry can be as similar or different from the next. If the universe was set in stone, FFXV would never have happened because the traditional FF is turn based. Now I am not saying XV is good or bad, but just reiterating that FF has no boundaries.

Let's not exaggerate, just because sprint could be unlimited, doesn't mean it would always be used. Teleports and mounts are still faster for long travels, and you can't shop at a vendor sprinting by.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Unlimited means it's no longer a sprint at all, just a new default running speed. But the animation was designed to be a sprint, and would look horrible as a default running speed. So I don't want it unlimited. A trivial improvement in reaching areas sooner isn't worth wreaking the look of the game and spoiling people's immersion. So I don't want it unlimited. I do, however, want its cooldown back to where it used to be in open world areas, or at least while on a DoL class.

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walking is still be a option. i feel as if this is simply implying that nobody will find any use of walking, but that is simply not true. if people wish to run, let them run. if people wish to walk and take in the sights, let them do so. there are obviously still many people that like to take things slow: simple prof is the "game is meant to be slow" counter argument. so by this logic, i am confident that you will not see literally everyone sprint 100% of the time. remember that the conditions are that sprint will only work as it does not withing combat and combat areas, including dungeons, trials, and pvp.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Unlimited means it's no longer a sprint at all, just a new default running speed. But the animation was designed to be a sprint, and would look horrible as a default running speed. So I don't want it unlimited. A trivial improvement in reaching areas sooner isn't worth wreaking the look of the game and spoiling people's immersion. So I don't want it unlimited. I do, however, want its cooldown back to where it used to be in open world areas, or at least while on a DoL class.

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No unlimited does not mean that unless they removed the need to push a button to enable sprint. That is not being suggested here. You walk when needed or wanted, teleport when needed or wanted, mount when needed or wanted(except in some cities), now let sprint be that way.

Movement speed is not trivial, it saves your arse in battles, it makes questing flow better, etc, etc.

I like immersion sometimes as well. But sometimes immersion isn't the best thing for a game. Look at Cutscene skippers galore, speed runners, I see someone teleporting everytime I zone into a town, glamour should be limited for immersion's sake, but you don't see people clamoring for that.

I think the developers are doing the opposite of pushing players away from the game.

I'm all for trimming down the filler content up until level 50 though. However leveling 1-ishgard is now extremely fast, even without te exp items.

The one complaint I've had from the 3 friends I've recruited and a common theme in the novice chat is the fillers in msq.

I'm also all for having the old CD on sprint in towns only. Anything outside of that is, in my personal opinion, way out of bounds. Both in regards to immersion and as a setup for future cut of actual game interaction.

The fillers are responsible for the drop-off in new players, more so than the lack of movespeed enhancement, I think.

Combat being slow before end game is another issue entirely.

They did this is The Old Republic. Sprint was a toggle. Out of combat it was on. As soon as you were in combat, it turned off.

However, I could foresee problems with this as the 10 second in combat sprint is really nice to have to avoid certain mechanics and I'm not sure how the game would handle it.

Mount speed was way boosted this go around. It should be enough that you have that, even though you have to mostly earn that right when doing aether currents. At least I think that's how I got the boost. Always boosted in certain areas when i was almost complete with aether. I think it's fine the way it is. It adds an element to open world exploration & gathering. Next you will be asking them to give you lvl 70 and all ex mounts.

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Originally Posted by Xeon

Mount speed was way boosted this go around. It should be enough that you have that, even though you have to mostly earn that right when doing aether currents. At least I think that's how I got the boost. Always boosted in certain areas when i was almost complete with aether. I think it's fine the way it is. It adds an element to open world exploration & gathering. Next you will be asking them to give you lvl 70 and all ex mounts.

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Boost 1 = MSQ completion.
Boost 2 = Grind Allied/Centurio seals and buy maps.

But it doesn't really replace sprint since you have to dismount to interact with pretty much anything and can't mount up in town.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

However, I could foresee problems with this as the 10 second in combat sprint is really nice to have to avoid certain mechanics and I'm not sure how the game would handle it.

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It would behave exactly the same as it does now. No need to overthink it.

I'll just say this: SWTOR has a sprint toggle.
It turns off in combat.
It turns on automatically once outside.
It is slower than mount speed.
It can be used anywhere
It's helpful and never gave issues to the players whatsoever.

So unless I'm living in another dimension where anything remarkably helpful is considered a issue or a threat, then adding sprint as a toggle wouldn't be a problem.

Sadly this is FFXIV, so anything remarkably helpful to the player is considered an issue no matter what ("Premades for levelling? Omg it can be abused!" -> It is a reality and it's not abused), thus adding it will create problems that don't exist.

Moving on.

If they're going to make it an unlimited toggle, then they need to change the animations for it. The current animation is designed to represent a brief sprint, not a regular way of getting around. If they can make a casual jogging animation look natural while moving at "Sprint" speeds, that I could maybe accept as an unlimited Sprint, but I really doubt they could make it look natural enough. (Even the current normal jogging run is kind of borderline.)

Overall, just leaving Sprint as an occasional brief speed burst is better. Just give us a shorter CD while in town or while on a DoL class.

I agree with the OP. Unlimited sprint outside of combat would be amazing, and in no way game breaking.

A reddit post from a newbie who is turned off by the lack of sprint uptime: https://nm.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ed_incredibly/

Final Fantasy is about the journey - the story and the experience. There has not been a single, original Fantasy Fantasy title where the developers allowed for players to have unlimited sprint by design. That they allow you to sprint in a city at all is a miracle, considering they could have forced players to walk. In fact, they would rather add crystals in cities than give players unlimited sprint; that is how distasteful it is to the developers. They would rather move game assets than give players unlimited sprint; the reason you can see the next node is because they want you feel it is a reasonable distance away without feeling the need to run there. It wasn't designed to be an inconvenience for players who farm for hours going from one node to the next, prompting a discussion about unlimited sprint. Someone mentioned that movement speed impacts the whole game and its experience; they're right, which is why unlimited sprint would undoubtedly break that balance.

As for increasing/decreasing the cool down for gatherers - sure, you can suggest they fiddle with that a bit and see how it goes. In the city? Use the crystals - that's why they put them there!

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Originally Posted by Just-Communication

Final Fantasy is about the journey - the story and the experience.

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SWTOR is about the story and experience - and a better one I might add, at least in my opinion - and still has a toggle sprint.

So I'm not sure what's so lore breaking or absolutely mind numblingly bad about unlimited sprint, when another game with the same exact mentality - story and experience - has basically unlimited sprint and SHOCK allows mounting inside the city too.

PS: and about teleporting...most games allow that with the press of a button, namely persona 4 and 5, but also Trails of Cold Steel (along side a sprint too) and, speaking of SE games, Dragon Quest 8 even showed you where you'd go. So even with the teleports it's not great.

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Originally Posted by Just-Communication

Final Fantasy is about the journey - the story and the experience.

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A toggle-able sprint would have no impact on the story and improve the game experience outside of combat.

And FFXIV already has a toggle run, which many players use exclusively. That is our unlimited sprint. The one we get with the "Sprint" action is a brief burst of extra speed on top of our already sprinting speed we can use all the time. If it were to become the always available one, then people would just complain that they can no longer gain an extra boost of temporary super speed and would demand another level on top of it, call it dash or something, and we're right back to where we are now.

We've got our regular walking speed, our (already always available) running speed, and a temporary extra speed burst on top of that, called Sprint. Those are as many different levels as we need.