They Should Allow Old Seasonal PvP Rewards To Be Obtainable By Any Top 100/30 Voucher

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

I'm actually a supporter of allowing there to be some PvP-oriented way to get the mounts. I was just giving you the standard answer you will get so we can all move on with our lives.

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At least Kota gave a suggestion related to competition

And you just want the competition rewards through grind

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Originally Posted by Arthur_Gwen

At least Kota gave a suggestion related to competition

And you just want the competition rewards through grind

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Competition or not, PvP is PvP.
Competition or not, exclusivity is exclusivity.

Kota is asking for others' exclusivity.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Competition or not, PvP is PvP.
Competition or not, exclusivity is exclusivity.

Kota is asking for others' exclusivity.

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Pvp != competitive Pvp

Play soccer in the backyard for ten years can't make you the same reward as champion of World Cup
But if next champion is asking for previous rewards, at least that sounds reasonable

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Originally Posted by Arthur_Gwen

Pvp != competitive Pvp

Play soccer in the backyard for ten years can't make you the same reward as champion of World Cup
But if next champion is asking for previous rewards, at least that sounds reasonable

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Not if the rewards are exclusive. That's the issue everyone has. Exclusivity

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Not if the rewards are exclusive. That's the issue everyone has. Exclusivity

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If you weren't top 100 in a particular season or any season you don't deserve top 100 rewards. That isn't to say that the rest of the players shouldn't get a better reward for participating in the Feast because I do believe SE should give a better incentive to play for people outside of top 100.

And it isn't everyone, only people like you that want to be rewarded with the same items for not playing as well as people in the top 100.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Not if the rewards are exclusive. That's the issue everyone has. Exclusivity

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What I said in #43 is clear enough

Nothing about exclusivity

The boy play in backyard for years just doesn't deserve the World Cup reward

Some people forget that this is a game.

It's meant to have fun. To challenge yourself, yes, but at the end of the day - have fun.

Competitive PVP would be a lot more fun AND involving to the player base if:

- A few glaringly nasty salty, bitter apples were warned and then (if they kept up their behavior) removed without this blanket-wide ban on chat affecting everyone

- Classes were actually balanced and each job had something meaningful to contribute to the outcome of the match. Imagine for a moment if a ninja had a one-time ability to steal another team's buff. That would change the whole strategy of the game and the team could work together to figure out the best way to do it while the other team has to strategize to protect themselves. Most matches I've been in can be boiled down to "everyone attack the healer".


- People could get rewards account-wide so they wouldn't have to clog up the leaderboards with their 100 alts across every data center

- There were NO SUCH THINGS AS PROMOTION QUALIFIERS because I hate those with every fiber of my soul. Shouldn't the fact that I scored the requisite number of points be enough of a qualifier?!

- Rewards were accessible. Not seasonally exclusive, but challenging enough to get so that you put in enough time/effort to earn them. I wouldn't have any issue clawing my way up leaderboards if I knew that a reward of my choice could be there at the end.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

- A few glaringly nasty salty, bitter apples were warned and then (if they kept up their behavior) removed without this blanket-wide ban on chat affecting everyone

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People who say mean things get warned and suspended and/or banned extremely quickly though. People just need to actually report. Responding to harassment reports is one of the few reports that GMs actually follow up on. Someone got banned live on stream not long after a game ended because he insulted one player once (and he said nothing else the entire game).

Which is exactly what makes this chat ban so confusing. Are these people who are encountering rude players not reporting them at all?

That's good to know. I report the nastiest of players but I never know if anything is done to them. Obviously GMs can't say although it does seem like they take reports seriously, which is good.

My only guess is that GMs got overwhelmed by reports from PVP and wanted the GARO folks to have a safe place to play and try out PVP for their first times (which is true for many players), hence the chat ban.

I think we will know more after the feast season 4 finishes as well as when stormblood comes out how pvp will change and what will happen to previous rewards as well as if new lv70 pvp modes come out.

If everyone complain enough, SE might put the mount in the cash shop.

Played All 3 seasons.
Didn't get top 100 in S1
Didn't get top 100 in S2
Got to top 100 in S3 - Got my Mount

Do you see me bitching or asking for old rewards that are "EXCLUSIVE"

If you didn't get your Exclusive stuff, move on to next season and do better.

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Originally Posted by Yukumazi

Do you see me bitching...

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At people asking for in-game improvements, yes. Funny how anyone against the idea just uses this kind of argument instead a of good reason to not change it, oh yeah cause there isn't a good reason not to change it.

Getting choice for a new or older reward for a top 100/30/10 finish in any season is just better then what we currently have period. Like I said lv70 pvp will change and I'm pretty certain SE will revisit old rewards one way or another, it's all a matter of time so just got to wait and that is perfectly fair and very much how SE normally do things. Timed exclusion is fine as long as people still have a chance at it in the future. Like choosing a single reward for top 100/30 or repeating old seasons of lv60 feast when lv70 mode comes out. People wanting others to be locked out of the possibility of items in the future forever completely makes very little sense to me. Seems childish and needing to feel special or something like I got something you don't and can't get type stuff, which is selfish, and mostly ego driven. I have legacy tattoo and mounts and I have no problem with SE allowing others to get these items now as there is no reason for it to be exclusive forever. It's been exclusive for long enough. Maybe make the requirement play for x amount of years and have a total achievement points of 10k then under go a special time traveling quest taking you back to a 1.0 area etc. I don't agree with items being put in cash shop over putting them in game with hard ways to get them but having multiple rewards that are only gotten from single feast seasons never to return is over the top exclusive and in need of improvement as well as fixes to pvp for those seasons. No reason to either not revisit old seasons for lv60 feast when new lv70 comes out or keep new rewards coming out but allow old ones to be a reward choice instead.

WoW doesn't let you get Elite versions of season gear once the season ends.

Same applies to top 100.

If SE actually cares about the fact they made these rewards exclusive in the first place they won't do what you are asking them to do.

The issue is, IF this were allowed, it would give rise to 2 different problems:

1. People would be less motivated to compete, or there would be less competition in a given season since you can just do it later and get what you want anyways.
2. People will want to double dip, i.e. "I won in Season 4, now let me have the Season 2 prize AND my Season 4 prize".

The Feast is already dire enough currently. We don't need to deflate the competition even more than it already is, simply to appease people who missed out/didn't win before. That's just NOT how competitions work.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

WoW doesn't let you get Elite versions of season gear once the season ends.

Same applies to top 100.

If SE actually cares about the fact they made these rewards exclusive in the first place they won't do what you are asking them to do.

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Thankfully FFXIV is not WoW, now there might be some things that are the same like many mmorpgs but FFXIV has it's own style of handling things that mostly have to do with certain time line changes, patch reveals, and incentives for older content.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

The issue is, IF this were allowed, it would give rise to 2 different problems:

1. People would be less motivated to compete, or there would be less competition in a given season since you can just do it later and get what you want anyways.
2. People will want to double dip, i.e. "I won in Season 4, now let me have the Season 2 prize AND my Season 4 prize".

The Feast is already dire enough currently. We don't need to deflate the competition even more than it already is, simply to appease people who missed out/didn't win before. That's just NOT how competitions work.

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1. Not true, more of an opinion. Could easily give more incentive because if you don't compete you would just get further away from getting any reward new or old.
2. People might want that but they would need to win 2 seasons to get 2 rewards nothing unfair about that.

Millennials and their participation trophies. Is it wrong to be self-loathing of the generation I was born into? This is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by TiramisuMacaron

Millennials and their participation trophies. Is it wrong to be self-loathing of the generation I was born into? This is ludicrous.

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What are you even posting in my thread for? Like is there a point? Participation giving rewards has nothing to do with anything I posted because you still have to get in top 100/30 for a season so yeah...?
See reply to Yukimazi, "Funny how anyone against the idea just uses this kind of argument instead a of good reason to not change it, oh yeah cause there isn't a good reason not to change it."

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

1. Not true, more of an opinion. Could easily give more incentive because if you don't compete you would just get further away from getting any reward new or old.
2. People might want that but they would need to win 2 seasons to get 2 rewards nothing unfair about that.

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1. I've literally seen people just skip out on even PvE content because they can just do it later. You think skipping a competition and still being able to get the reward later would be different?
2. So why not just compete IN those two seasons? It's one thing if you missed out entirely; that's not that player's fault. If they competed and didn't win, well, that's just how it goes. But there's no going back.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

1. I've literally seen people just skip out on even PvE content because they can just do it later. You think skipping a competition and still being able to get the reward later would be different?
2. So why not just compete IN those two seasons? It's one thing if you missed out entirely; that's not that player's fault. If they competed and didn't win, well, that's just how it goes. But there's no going back.

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Feast still would have the same requirement of top 100/30 regardless on top of seasons are very long and players still have to compete and will still be exclusive items that most people will not get due to time or spots available and if they did we are talking years later for anything close to seeing old rewards even at uncommon levels. But if they keep putting out new rewards, the new rewards would be even more exclusive for fresh season as some players might opt for older rewards. Better system all around.

You say better, but if players would be competing just to have a chance at old rewards, wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of new ones? At a certain point, it would be counterproductive to even bother adding anything new if people will just opt for what they missed. "I won Season 6, now I can get the Season 2 reward I wasn't around for. . . I won Season 7, now I can get the Season 3 reward I didn't win. . . I won Season 10, now I can finally get the Season 6 reward!. . ."

That's not sounding at all sensible to me.

Well it depends on what you want, but it would just be a choice. You could get the new reward everytime if you wanted and not worry with the old. If anything, I think people would be more motivated as some seasons currently don't offer what certain people want and thus would not bother competing.

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Thankfully FFXIV is not WoW, now there might be some things that are the same like many mmorpgs but FFXIV has it's own style of handling things that mostly have to do with certain time line changes, patch reveals, and incentives for older content.

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So far FFXIV has the same style as others. Not making previous season top rewards available to people that didn't participate in those seasons.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

So far FFXIV has the same style as others. Not making previous season top rewards available to people that didn't participate in those seasons.

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Like I said SE do things in a certain time line when they feel the time is right or already have a path set for it after content is so old/run it's course. They are just waiting for lv70 pvp and the changes coming with it more than likely and they reveal that old rewards will become available one way or another. My bet would be that feast lv60 will just be 4 seasons long and repeat with same prizes while they do new modes and stuff with lv70 where all the changes will happen.

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Like I said SE do things in a certain time line when they feel the time is right or already have a path set for it after content is so old/run it's course. They are just waiting for lv70 pvp and the changes coming with it more than likely and they reveal that old rewards will become available one way or another. My bet would be that feast lv60 will just be 4 seasons long and repeat with same prizes while they do new modes and stuff with lv70 where all the changes will happen.

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Whatever makes you sleep at night. There is no precedent to what you are saying anyway. The Feast is the first mode to offer season rewards and a ranked ladder.

Don't be surprised when they don't bend knee to the entitled thinking they deserve what other people competed for at the time. There is a reason why SE provided a replacement top 10 reward when people whined about the minion, and that indicated that they still wanted to have items be exclusive.

How about at the end of each season you "buy" your reward from a vendor with your feast points/rank/placement/etc. Each season they add a new rewards. You would be doomed not to get everything if you skip a season, but still be able to choose previous season rewards if you wanted.

I don't really care, just throwing it in there.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Whatever makes you sleep at night. There is no precedent to what you are saying anyway. The Feast is the first mode to offer season rewards and a ranked ladder.

Don't be surprised when they don't bend knee to the entitled thinking they deserve what other people competed for at the time. There is a reason why SE provided a replacement top 10 reward when people whined about the minion, and that indicated that they still wanted to have items be exclusive.

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So what you are saying is, if we whine enough, SE would give us another opportunity to get the mounts thru achievements and just give top 100/30 more glamour accessories or outfits?

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Whatever makes you sleep at night. There is no precedent to what you are saying anyway. The Feast is the first mode to offer season rewards and a ranked ladder.

Don't be surprised when they don't bend knee to the entitled thinking they deserve what other people competed for at the time. There is a reason why SE provided a replacement top 10 reward when people whined about the minion, and that indicated that they still wanted to have items be exclusive.

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It was mostly just for the public outcry on the forums and was done as a quick band aid, doesn't mean they didn't have the plan all along to revisit old rewards eventually but regardless I could say you are entitled for thinking exclusive things are something you must be entitled too because you got it from the first season it was available so that must mean that no one else can get it no matter what cause they will never earn it... Lol. Whatever helps you feel entitled, right?

Well, if you compete for a prize and win it, then yes, you are entitled to it.

If you don't compete/don't win, then no, you are not entitled to it.

That's how competition and life work.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Well, if you compete for a prize and win it, then yes, you are entitled to it.

if gou don't compete/don't win, then no, you are not entitiled to it.

That's how competition and life work.

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They are entitiled to getting the prize 1st before anyone else, correct but that doesn't mean they are entitled exclusivity forever and keeping others from getting a chance at it in the future, which is the entitlement most of you are arguing for.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

So what you are saying is, if we whine enough, SE would give us another opportunity to get the mounts thru achievements and just give top 100/30 more glamour accessories or outfits?

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They already gave out the mount, it isn't like they will go back and change that.

My statement illustrated how even though people whined about the minion being exclusive, SE still made an effort to give out an exclusive item.

And the fact of the matter is despite what Kota wants, SE isn't going to go back that far to make past armor or mounts available to her because they also won't make new rewards for PAST seasons either.

But like I said, whatever let's her sleep at night ;>

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

They are entitiled to getting the prize 1st before anyone else, correct but that doesn't mean they are entitled exclusivity forever and keeping others from getting a chance at it in the future, which is the entitlement most of you are arguing for.

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Almost as if you want to allow Athletes to compete for Rio Gold Medals. I'm sure lots of swimmers would like to say they got Rio gold medals while Michael Phelps was still around ;>

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Originally Posted by Aviars

They already gave out the mount, it isn't like they will go back and change that.

My statement illustrated how even though people whined about the minion being exclusive, SE still made an effort to give out an exclusive item.

And the fact of the matter is despite what Kota wants, SE isn't going to go back that far to make past armor or mounts available to her because they also won't make new rewards for PAST seasons either.

But like I said, whatever let's her sleep at night ;>

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Just an opinion, unless you work at SE and are really yoshi p in disguise. ;)

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Almost as if you want to allow Athletes to compete for Rio Gold Medals. I'm sure lots of swimmers would like to say they got Rio gold medals while Michael Phelps was still around ;>

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You mean that pie eating contest you won, yeah I'll win that next year but I'll be on the lookout for olympic athletes while playing ffxiv.

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Just an opinion, unless you work at SE and are really yoshi p in disguise. ;)

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Aaaand that's how I know the conversation is over.

Everything you said was an opinion trying to beg SE for rewards yet you try to dismiss what I say by saying it's an opinion. Hah

Anyway, just as little closing statement to this thread since you have nothing good to say anymore. SE has made it pretty clear Garo gear and mounts are only out for a limited time. Same with Yokai Watch Gear and mounts. In short words you aren't going to get what you missed as there is precedent for even gear and mounts everyone can get not being available anymore :D

To bad so sad.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Aaaand that's how I know the conversation is over.

Everything you said was an opinion trying to beg SE for rewards yet you try to dismiss what I say by saying it's an opinion. Hah

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I gave a proposal and some facts to back it up and some opinons/thoughts on the matter on top of that.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

And the fact of the matter is despite what Kota wants, SE isn't going to go back that far to make past armor or mounts available to her because they also won't make new rewards for PAST seasons either.

But like I said, whatever let's her sleep at night ;>

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It isn't a fact so it is an opinion, as you made statements that are not certain as if they were. So yeah it is a fact that what you said was an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

SE has made it pretty clear Garo gear and mounts are only out for a limited time. Same with Yokai Watch Gear and mounts. In short words you aren't going to get what you missed as there is precedent for even gear and mounts everyone can get not being available anymore :D

To bad so sad.

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Btw it's not like all of what is already said in the thread tackles most of the topic and it speaks for it's self that my improvements are rock solid. Most people just hyperbole or just say nope with no solid reasoning other then they want to be entitled exclusivity forever because they feel entitled to that for doing it first. That's for SE to decide and why my post is to help bring awareness on the issue but SE probably already have it planned anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

They should allow old and current seasonal pvp rewards to be obtainable by top 100/30/10 vouchers from any season. They could have Solo vouchers and Light Party vouchers and keep the rewards separate to each type of voucher. One reward for one voucher.

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Opinion

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

So like if in season 4 you get top 100 solo or top 30 light party or top 10 in either you can get any one seasonal reward from any season but only one per voucher from the current season or older.

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Opinion

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Basically a list of rewards that keep getting added too each season and you just use the voucher from top 100/30/10 for whichever one you want in case you don't like the reward for that season and allows people to get what they want from older seasons. Not including achievements, titles, or trophies as they would stay as they are for placement.

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Also that would keep people pvping for seasons that they wouldn't have because of rewards they don't like. Better for everyone.

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I don't see fact coming from you. And true fact is SE has made moves to make gear and mounts unavailable after a period of time with Yokai Watch and Garo

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Btw it's not like all of what is already said in the thread tackles most of the topic and it speaks for it's self that my improvements are rock solid. Most people just hyperbole or just say nope with no solid reasoning other then they want to be entitled exclusivity forever because they feel entitled to that for doing it first. That's for SE to decide and why my post is to help bring awareness on the issue but SE probably already have it planned anyway.

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Anyway, SE has decided to make it exclusive. The fact they made collaborative events exclusive makes it pretty much guaranteed that competition rewards that are ALREADY exclusive are going to stay exclusive :D

I love you Ava, marry me

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Originally Posted by Aviars

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My main post had some proposals and some opinions. So what? Here is some facts if SE made my proposals into facts.

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

It's still exclusive because of number of top spots and the length of seasons aka time and you still have to get in the top for any season.

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Well, exclusive can be at set at different levels or limits I mean surely you can understand that, it is not a word that is set only to what you are considering as "exclusive". So it would be considered exclusive for top 100/30 regardless of season and that is in fact still "exclusive".

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Fact.

I'm not much of a football guy, but let me try using it to make the point clear:

Super Bowl LI (2017) - The Patriots won. The Falcons did not win. The Patriots get the trophy and players get their SB LI rings.
The Falcons cannot get SB rings this time around.
Now if they compete in Super Bowl LII and win, they can get rings.
But they cannot get Super Bowl LI rings, because they did not win.
And even if they somehow win Super Bowl LIII after that, they cannot get Super Bowl LI rings, because they did not win LI.

Is that at all clear?

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Originally Posted by Kota_Foxfrey

Here is some facts if SE made my proposals into facts.

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