Stormblood trailer talk!

I'm thinking RDM and BLU, both as DPS or Healer / DPS are going to be the new jobs. Reason being the translator made mention of Captain America: Civil War with that Scarlet Witch shirt on. The shirt points to RDM. Looking at Civil War you've got Tony Stark in his Iron man suit that is mostly red and then you've got cap who is in mostly BLU. Last years event in the secret room showed them also fighting which would be coming out between the two as well. I get the feeling that later on in the expansion cycle, if everything is going well they may then drop SAM.

I don't believe that Dancer was in the trailer, but rather is just a monk. All of their moves are monk related and look comparable to the styles we've already seen. That and I don't see a dancer trading blows bare handed with a Monk that causes the very earth to shake from a statue.

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Originally Posted by rosythorns4

housing spoiled for 4.0 that, by all rights, was literally stated to be coming in 3.0 as of the /last/ fanfest, to a picture of expanded inventory still showing the max 100 feature currently enabled

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Do you mean Ishgard housing? That was never confirmed to be added in 3.x. Besides, they didn't go into detail on what the new housing area is, as it'd spoil the upcoming MSQ.
Why do you need to see the exact change to the inventory? It's obviously a feature that they're still working on, they just wanted to confirm that it's actually going to happen in 4.0.

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Originally Posted by rosythorns4

I mean granted, the /almost/ 20 years bit could be seen either way, I mean I'm still curious how long 2.x and 3.x have taken up to this point, aside from the statement of "the period of 2.55 - 3.0 being 2 weeks, storywise" to... yeah 1.x taking all of a year, then ya got the part about ala mhigo falling 15 years before the events of 1.x, then the time skip of 5 years after 1.x to 2.0, so sure, sorry if I'm nitpicking, but it's been a good 21+ years....

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The image about the amount of years said two decades, not almost 20 years. They probably went for simplicity instead of writing "two decades and x years"
There's also the lore panel on Saturday, so it might be mentioned then.

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Originally Posted by rosythorns4

More bothered by what these folks might deem useless skills given how these are the same folks that keep trying to buff astrologian for balance... yeah... that's fair.

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One of the abilities shown was Feint, the most useless ability for DRGs. In my years of maining a DRG, I've never had a reason to use that ability.

Well like I already wrote in another thread I liked the landscape in the trailer and the fighting scene. I am a little sad that derplander looks like that now. People change and get older but even in HW you knew exactly who that male is and yet here I did kinda needed some time to get that he is the WoL. If they don't change much of the ingame aesthetic than the CGI derplander will look quite different to the ingame model. I also did not get much of a feeling that this was FF14. If it wasn't for the chocobo at the end I could have mistook this for a different series.

At the beginning I also thought that this would be Yda but now I really hope that she is someone else. It would be way too obvious right now and she does not feel much like Yda anyway. (Her clothing style, her movement..)

Yda has a sister; it could be her.

Also, let's not jump the gun(blade) on the big bad looking Samurai-like. While it could certainly still be one of the new jobs, I'm not putting too much stock in this guy's appearance being a hint at it, nor what role it will fill if it is in the game. Antagonist NPCs have never been job hints before.

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

Antagonist NPCs have never been job hints before.

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Hey, remember that smug Lalafell Yellowjacket chick who antagonized the Rogues' Guild for nearly the entire 1-30 quest? And called guns a much more civilized weapon than daggers? Yeeeeeeah...

(Granted she ended up not being the ultimate villain of the story. Still antagonistic up until nearly the very end though.)

Admittedly, Samurai is just wishful thinking for now. Red Mage is all but confirmed; anything else is only at the "Well, maybe..." stage.

Well, I meant large-scale enemies like Gaius :P
We didn't get a gunblade job. And while this new guy does wield a Katana-like blade, his weird....multi-sheath-probably-also-gun-related-thing is definitely not something the WoL will get his hands on.

Well, I'm not expecting to get the gunsheath like yae Galvus has. That's just asking for too much. But it was stated that Samurai was in the running for 3.0's tank class, and the only reason they didn't add it was because they had introduced NIN in 2.4 and didn't want to put in another Eastern cultured Job so soon after that. All we need is some Doman refugees to come and drop it on us, really.

Anyway, what struck me about yae Galvus wasn't his weapon, but his overall design. All of the legates we've seen have had very clean, streamlined designs. His is rather asymmetrical in comparison; he's got that sash and big-ass gunsheath on opposite sides. It's a different look for a legate. Curious.

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Originally Posted by Zorzi

I wouldn't be surprised if Musketeer is dead for good. Coral Tower in Limsa is now Marauder's Guild and then there's MCH.

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Iunno.. you still see the man standing with a pistol right outside the coral tower, aside from the one wielding an axe, there was the one npc in the rogue questline, wielding both a cutlass and a gun, then the same with the mch questline with the roegadyn that seems to change from using mch skills and gladiator skills based on the needs of the mission. Sure that doesn't really say much for what could be suggested, I mean we still have the single pistol users at the basement of the "marauder's guild", a place that still bears the flag at the staircase for Musketeers. Between a whm housing a city with whms, a gld housing a city with the gld guild, and arena, and really, the whole idea of pirates only being ax swinging marauders... really seems to be missing the mark.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Do you mean Ishgard housing? That was never confirmed to be added in 3.x.

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Originally Posted by Cherzy

A: We'll be increasing the number of plots for existing housing areas in Patch 3.3. After we expand those areas, we'll add apartment-style housing in Ishgard areas afterwards

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/278439

To be fair I'm still waiting for the item increase discussed there, but not holding my breath on it either.

I mean, sure, I remember when yoshi mentioned, jokingly, who would want to live in a house where dragons land on your roof... then ya also gotta realize... we've kinda made peace with the beasts, at least the more bigger named ones... Still doesn't sound so bad...

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

One of the abilities shown was Feint, the most useless ability for DRGs. In my years of maining a DRG, I've never had a reason to use that ability.

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Eh... you're right... the slow effect to it, much like with shadow flare, doesn't really lend itself to useful given most enemies don't truly show an effect from it, but it kind of feels more as if this lends itself more to a retooling of mechanics needed as opposed to just chopping off skills... granted, shadow flare just has some decent damage.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Anyway, what struck me about yae Galvus wasn't his weapon, but his overall design. All of the legates we've seen have had very clean, streamlined designs. His is rather asymmetrical in comparison; he's got that sash and big-ass gunsheath on opposite sides. It's a different look for a legate. Curious.

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That's something I noticed, as well. His attire is easily the most colorful of the Garlean legati we've seen thus far. Gaius and Nael had very simple color schemes (as did all of Gaius' generals), so I'm wondering if Zenos has altered his attire to match the nation he currently rules? That said, Nael and Gaius both considered Eorzeans to be savages, and so they would never lower themselves to adopt their customs or attire. Given how cruel we've heard that Zenos is, I'm curious as to what his reason would be for adapting their dress (which, given how colorful the 3.x MNK specific gear is, his sash seems Ala Mhigan inspired).

I could've sworn at some point they'd stated that they didn't want the next expansion's zone to be locked out for folks stepping into the game, kinda like how they don't want jobs locked behind an msq wall the way they did with heavensward's drk/ast/mch.. has me curious if this is right with MSK.... ^^; here's hoping.

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Originally Posted by rosythorns4

A: We'll be increasing the number of plots for existing housing areas in Patch 3.3. After we expand those areas, we'll add apartment-style housing in Ishgard areas afterwards

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Apartments =/= FC/Private housing.

This answer talks about the apartments system that was recently added. It's likely an answer during the early development of this feature, before they changed it to be a thing in the current housing areas.

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Originally Posted by rosythorns4

Eh... you're right... the slow effect to it, much like with shadow flare, doesn't really lend itself to useful given most enemies don't truly show an effect from it, but it kind of feels more as if this lends itself more to a retooling of mechanics needed as opposed to just chopping off skills... granted, shadow flare just has some decent damage.

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Which is why the image shown at the keynote stated "Reassessment of unused/ineffective actions". I'm sure some of them will be removed, but other ones will be adjusted to be useful.

I wonder if we will see changes to Rhalgr's Reach throughout the story?

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

That's something I noticed, as well. His attire is easily the most colorful of the Garlean legati we've seen thus far. Gaius and Nael had very simple color schemes (as did all of Gaius' generals), so I'm wondering if Zenos has altered his attire to match the nation he currently rules? That said, Nael and Gaius both considered Eorzeans to be savages, and so they would never lower themselves to adopt their customs or attire. Given how cruel we've heard that Zenos is, I'm curious as to what his reason would be for adapting their dress (which, given how colorful the 3.x MNK specific gear is, his sash seems Ala Mhigan inspired).

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He's a High Legatus that outranks Nael and Gaius, going by his Yae title, so maybe that's the reason for the more colorful attire.

So does anyone have a theory on what cause the hole in this mountain?

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Originally Posted by Chewy2nd

I wonder if we will see changes to Rhalgr's Reach throughout the story?

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My initial thought was "no" and that we'll end up getting some new city that will upgrade where we probably get our endgame. But then as I kicked around the idea more another thought occurred to me. Imagine that as the main story progresses we recruit more Ala Mihgans, acquire Garlean tech, and bring in the other nations and their Grand Companies to reinforce the members of the resistance. Having the Reach grow as we progress and the Resistance grows stronger is actually a solid idea.

We will probably get a town that grows per patch, that's been "a thing" in ARR and HW, so it'll probably happen again.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

So does anyone have a theory on what cause the hole in this mountain?

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On my screen, it doesn't show the image you're referring to? I guess you mean the one that has part of Baelsar's wall in and the (Garlean?) bridge in the foreground?
However, I think it looks like a pretty large directed energy weapon was fired through there. I think we could safely rule out chunks of Dalamud ( it looks like the wrong impact angle) or Bahamut's Dalamud breakout (because there's none of the associated corrupted crystallised aether).

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Originally Posted by Fenral

The manner in which they've chosen to announce Eureka suggests they've decided to just keep the name, and as Nero seems to have joined the Ironworks in throwing away an entire patch-cycle's worth of character building, CT is looking to simply be the story that FFXIV forgot.

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Honestly, I didn't feel by the end of Crystal Tower that Nero had changed his tune at all. His path aligned with ours for a while, that is all. He's still hellbent on proving himself the better engineer than Cid - and I could certainly see getting Omega up and running to be his next crazy plan to do so.

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Originally Posted by SilverArrow20XX

He's a High Legatus that outranks Nael and Gaius, going by his Yae title, so maybe that's the reason for the more colorful attire.

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Where did you get the high legatus part? His military title is simply legatus. And yae isn't a military title it just means he is a member of the royal family in line to the throne. LIke how Varis was Varis yae Galvus till he got the throne from Solus. While Varis WAS High Legatus it is unknown what title is given to High Legatuses that aren't a part of the royal family.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Where did you get the high legatus part? His military title is simply legatus. And yae isn't a military title it just means he is a member of the royal family in line to the throne. LIke how Varis was Varis yae Galvus till he got the throne from Solus. While Varis WAS High Legatus it is unknown what title is given to High Legatuses that aren't a part of the royal family.

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I think you answered your own question of where I got it from. Though it seems I was mistaken. I just assumed it was a military title since a military commander was using it, and another military commander using it had the rank "High Legatus". Circumstantial evidence. Hadn't looked at the Garlean rank chart recently.

I wonder if royal titles always supersede military. He would be Zenos Yae Galvus regardless of his rank. Yae is a prestigious title. I wonder if someone of the less prestigious, but still royal, Wir title would go by Wir, or Van, upon obtaining the legatus rank.

For those who still think the moves are "dancer", you can look up a few videos on youtube on Chinese Martial Arts.
You might see something familiar.

MNK is based on it, from the moves to the AF.

If you ask me, making mnk the choice job for this patch might be a marketing effort to push subscriptions in China, given the recent launch there.
But I highly doubt they will add a 2nd job with similar cultural origins so quickly.

On the trailer, really interested to finally see some of Gyr Albania. It looks a bit more arid than I expected, however I'll doubt if that holds true through the entire expansion considering the variety we saw in Heavensward areas. I'm not entirely sure if the Hyur in red is a dancer or a monk and I could certainly see it going either way and I certainly won't be upset if we get dancer as one of the Jobs this expansion.

It also makes me feel good as a Monk main to see a monk/two monks shaking an entire city as a side effect of a light spar. One of my favorite thing about the class is the over the top DBZ lore so seeing that animated is just yes plz for me.

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Originally Posted by SilverArrow20XX

I wonder if royal titles always supersede military. He would be Zenos Yae Galvus regardless of his rank. Yae is a prestigious title. I wonder if someone of the less prestigious, but still royal, Wir title would go by Wir, or Van, upon obtaining the legatus rank.

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I'd say royal titles are ehead of military titles. In fact I'd guess nobles get military ranks simply because they are nobles. Nael also belonged to House Darnus, and I wouldn't be surprised if Baelsar and Hydrus turned out to be noble houses as well.

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Originally Posted by tymora

For those who still think the moves are "dancer", you can look up a few videos on youtube on Chinese Martial Arts.
You might see something familiar.

MNK is based on it, from the moves to the AF.

If you ask me, making mnk the choice job for this patch might be a marketing effort to push subscriptions in China, given the recent launch there.

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Expansion. Not patch. A bit of chinese influence might be a part of it but we have known the monk-Ala Mhigo connection for years so I think it was given. And oddly enough what we have seen of Gyr Abania reminds me more of India than China.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

On the trailer, really interested to finally see some of Gyr Albania. It looks a bit more arid than I expected, however I'll doubt if that holds true through the entire expansion considering the variety we saw in Heavensward areas.

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The way the refugees look I was sure Gyr Abania would mostly be a desert and was pleasantly surprised by all the waterfalls and that dark forest. Of course that might be the very end of the Black Shroud.

Everyone seems convinced we'll have Red Mage and Blue Mage. While I'm not against it, I'm also a little wary. I always pictured Blue Mage as coming from Radz-at-han for some reason. As for Red Mage, I'm very wary there, as I feel it should be as important as both White Mage and Black Mage, but has not yet been revealed to have anything to do with the ancient nations from the War of the Magi. I was rather hoping it might be a kind of elite Sharlayan job derived from White and Black Magic that scholars unearthed over the centuries.

Seeing either or both immersed in Ala Mhigan lore would just feel like a let down for me, particularly as Ala Mhigo doesn't have any particularly strong magical background.

Ala Mhigo's patron deity is Rhalgr the Destroyer, arguably the god with the most (destructive) magical potential.

Red Magic could be (possibly) a special art taught to old-school Ala Mhigan soldier-mages, letting them pull off all-rounder performances on the battlefield. Ala Mhigans strike me as the practical type, and rudimentary conjury and thaumaturgy cannot be terribly difficult to pick up.

That said, there is nothing that says a new Job has to be rooted in the culture of the region we're headed to. Alisae is heavily implied to be a Red Mage, but she's never set foot in Ala Mhigo. Despite being based in Ishgard, Astrologian is much more Sharlayan in flavor than Ishgardian.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Ala Mhigo's patron deity is Rhalgr the Destroyer, arguably the god with the most (destructive) magical potential.

Red Magic could be (possibly) a special art taught to old-school Ala Mhigan soldier-mages, letting them pull off all-rounder performances on the battlefield. Ala Mhigans strike me as the practical type, and rudimentary conjury and thaumaturgy cannot be terribly difficult to pick up.

That said, there is nothing that says a new Job has to be rooted in the culture of the region we're headed to. Alisae is heavily implied to be a Red Mage, but she's never set foot in Ala Mhigo. Despite being based in Ishgard, Astrologian is much more Sharlayan in flavor than Ishgardian.

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True, and right now that's more my hope, that Red/Blue Mage will come from other regions.

As for Rhalgr, that'd work fine for Black Mages being the Masters of Destruction, but Red Mages are Jacks of All Trades, Masters of None. Ala Mhigo never had any strong magical history linked to it. I'd hate to see any of the iconic mage classes shoehorned into it.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Everyone seems convinced we'll have Red Mage and Blue Mage. While I'm not against it, I'm also a little wary. I always pictured Blue Mage as coming from Radz-at-han for some reason. As for Red Mage, I'm very wary there, as I feel it should be as important as both White Mage and Black Mage, but has not yet been revealed to have anything to do with the ancient nations from the War of the Magi. I was rather hoping it might be a kind of elite Sharlayan job derived from White and Black Magic that scholars unearthed over the centuries.

Seeing either or both immersed in Ala Mhigan lore would just feel like a let down for me, particularly as Ala Mhigo doesn't have any particularly strong magical background.

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While it remains to see how it'll be implemented, Red Mage is practically confirmed (I'm not sure where people are getting Blue Mage from) - I can't think of any other way to interpret Yoshida's "job tease" shirt (Scarlet Witch).

It's worth noting that the Heavensward Jobs all took the chance to expand on various aspects of Ishgardian lore, so even if Red Mage and the other new Jobs are connected to Ala Mhigo (they might not be!), it's not so unlikely that they'd be so in a way that introduces some new aspect of life in Gyr Abania.

Everyone trying to read hidden signs in the trailer when their are none. The girl is most likely Yda and simply cause she does a few twirls doesn't mean she is a dancer. All we got in the trailer is that the warrior of light is now a monk. For all we know, Yoshida could surprise us and say that geomancer is the new job.

After some reconsideration, I think it is reasonably safe to say the woman in the trailer is just another Monk. Having a red aura instead of a blue one like Derplander doesn't necessarily mean anything, and leaving out her red clothing she fights just like him. Call her "dancing" a warm-up.

She's not likely to be Yda, since she lacks Yda's neck tattoos. It's been revealed (somewhere? In the Lore Book?) that Yda has a sister, so she's now the most likely suspect.

As for what they're going to add... still up in the air. Red Mage has been heavily implied many times and many ways; beyond that one can only guess. I'm personally hoping for Viking in some capacity just because it'll be so out of left field and I'd like to see what they can do with it, but that's just my personal wish. Anything else I'm pretty apathetic about (even Red Mage, because while iconic it's not that great of a class in most games. Starts strong but putters out by mid-game).

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Originally Posted by Vexander

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Can't say much for Blue Mage, but Red Mage seems to be hinted at either Alisae or another Sharlayan teaching us (as it most likely is more then mere coincidence that Alisae would use a new sword-stance when she fights alongside us AND we get a 99% confirmation of Red Mage coming in 4.0 from Yoshida.)

Personally I've envisioned atleast 30-50 Red Mage being the WoL themselves starting out on their own with no tutor beyond what they have learned of White and Black magic, as well as either Gladiator/Paladin or Dark Knight training (that they specifically showed off Dark Knight alongside White Mage and Black Mage new gear at Fanfest is why I think it might connected instead of Gld/Pld.)

As far as the woman from the trailer: From what I read here on the forums Yda indeed has a sister, and given that the woman looks similar to her it probably is her. Would even give good reason for why she is so important from the get-go yet not introduced yet. She also PROBABLY is a Monk simply because we don't have any good confirmations for what other jobs there will be beyond Red Mage. Though that does not mean Dancer won't be a thing either.

Anyone else see that glorious beard on Rhalgar statue and immediately think of our grandpa Ramuh :)

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Originally Posted by Kusanagi7

Anyone else see that glorious beard on Rhalgar statue and immediately think of our grandpa Ramuh :)

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My initial though, after Rhalgr of course, was of Zeus :P

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Originally Posted by Kusanagi7

Anyone else see that glorious beard on Rhalgar statue and immediately think of our grandpa Ramuh :)

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Well my first thought was that we weren't going to get a Rhalgr Primal because it would be too similar to Ramuh. My second thought was that there might be a connection betewwn Rhalgr and Ramuh.

From Ramuh's entry in the Lore Book, page 255;

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"While Ramuh is revered as the creator of the race of sylphs, the appearance of his physical manifestation suggests that he is also a god of man. Some scholars even go so far as to claim that he and Rhalgr are one and the same, pointing to the Destroyer's command over lightning as evidence of this theory."

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From Ramuh's entry in the Lore Book, page 255;

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So the similarity is specifically intentional. That is curious.

The vocals starting at 1:55 of the video is also similar to the beginning of Ramuh's theme. Though I figured that was just a coincidence until the lore book entry about him.

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My thoughts exactly. Either way I'm fine with Blue Mage coming from Ala Mhigo since it's aesthetic design changed from a (masked) cavalier to a west Asian/middle eastern garb in FFXI which the version of Blue Mage people seem to remember the most. I can't see why not they'd make it fit to Ala Mhigo's kind-of south/southeast Asian style as well but yeah Ala Mhigo doesn't have much of a magic background.

For Red Mage however, it just fits very well as a Sharlayan job. They can use both black and white magic which something they're known for, with versatility in weapons being a bonus. Both Black and White magic are forbidden arts but I suppose it wouldn't really stop the Sharlayans into experimenting with both to create a new art. I can't really see it being Ala Mhigan at all.

And another thing, Dancer might either be Thavnairian which I highly expect it to be, or Ala Mhigan.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Can't say much for Blue Mage, but Red Mage seems to be hinted at either Alisae or another Sharlayan teaching us (as it most likely is more then mere coincidence that Alisae would use a new sword-stance when she fights alongside us AND we get a 99% confirmation of Red Mage coming in 4.0 from Yoshida.)

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Not so sure about Alisaie. It seems like it was only a technique she learned, and that she summoned an aethereal sword like it was her familiar. To me it just meant that you can summon anything other than carbuncles as an Arcanist. There's also been a few unique combat stances from NPCs like Regula.
Still, I do not doubt that Red Mage will happen, and would use a rapier as its weapon. Maybe use it as a sort of wand, too.

I hope for this upcoming expansion that Alphinaud takes a back seat and we get a different travel companion, not to say I hate him or anything like that but I wanna see one of the scions take a major role in this expansion.

Just for a split second in the trailer the red fighter does the monk pose from the concept art. Just a funny observation.

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