Broadened Difficulty Settings For All Dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Altanas

It would probably be easier just to level cap/sync players to the dungeon and implement new quests/objectives in patches or possibly add further "BCNM" type fights within the dungeons at the end. That way they dont need to mess with mobs along the route, only changing the bosses. By using level cap/sync, it ensures the dungeons and bosses are not just mown down by rank50 players in a few minutes

Trying to compare it to 11, where for example people would go through Pso-Xja <did i spell that right? lol> first to get to a) the storyline diablos mission b) the bcnm type fights or c) the diablos summoner mission.

It wouldnt be too hard to implement, just add new Grand Company Quests. Each dungeon could have its own mutli-quest storyline where we can learn more lore.

Recycling is pretty much what 11 did for years, think of all the BCNM,KSNM,ENMs that were all in previously used areas.

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The only problem i have with caps are that its still geared toward hardcore players because you still need to have 4 or 8 man party. If we have difficulty settings, we can enjoy each dungeon for xp with a friend or 2, and have the mobs level slightly lower than yours.

I do agree with Level Sync in general for xp purposes.

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Originally Posted by Treach

You want to chain ifrit for xp? You do know there is no point to killing a level 15/25/35 ifrit for xp right? There is even 15 mins until you can retry.

Allowing everyone to see everything is great and all in theory but really? Seems very pointless....

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Isnt there a Normal and harde mode for ifrit anyway? there is no point for you to play the normal mode because your at level 50.
I see a point for the players at the level of the normal mode to play it. The point is for challenge, excitement, and fun along with xp. There is a point, not for you, but for others yes.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

As of right now, certain content is geared toward hardcore, and certain for casual. I think each content should be geared toward each play group, through difficulty settings.

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I don't care to do the level 15 dungeon or totrakakakakaka35something on harder difficulties, why would I want to that when I've already gotten superior gear from ifrit?

silvertearren = engineer?

WAT?

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Isnt there a Normal and harde mode for ifrit anyway? there is no point for you to play the normal mode because your at level 50.
I see a point for the players at the level of the normal mode to play it. The point is for challenge, excitement, and fun along with xp. There is a point, not for you, but for others yes.

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So what level do you want them to make ifrit? How about I make this easy and they make it like behest, one level above you like the final mob/mobset. Now go kill it until you get bored and never touch it again because you aren't getting anything from it except for personal satisfaction that loses satisfaction after each kill. Trust me it happens, at the point I that I just want my other two damn weapons from ifrit.

Congrats, you have data introduced into the game that serves for one or two days of enjoyment until you realize how P O I N T L E S S it is.

Too bad time couldn't be better spent improving the entire game instead providing very minor entertainment to a very small group of whiners. (Not that anyone on the dev team is actually going to read this or take it seriously mind you.)

Engineer wants to take the fun and excitement out of the hard mode ifrit, so he can beat it easily, to earn 2400 exp / hr. Okay. gotcha.

wait no i lost it.

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Originally Posted by Treach

I don't care to do the level 15 dungeon or totrakakakakaka35something on harder difficulties, why would I want to that when I've already gotten superior gear from ifrit?

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Seems like your the type of person that ONLY does things for gear. There are players who play for the the fun factor as well.

Its fine that you wouldnt, but dont try to stop someone who wants to.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Seems like your the type of person that ONLY does things for gear. There are players who play for the the fun factor as well.

Its fine that you wouldnt, but dont try to stop someone who wants to.

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Read previous statement please.

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Now go kill it until you get bored and never touch it again because you aren't getting anything from it except for personal satisfaction that loses satisfaction after each kill. Trust me it happens, at the point I that I just want my other two damn weapons from ifrit.

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What I truly want is more stuff to do at higher levels and higher levels only because you can only go up in levels. People need stuff to work for, not stuff to be handed to them on a silver platter.

You are seriously just going to bore people to death handing them everything. Why bother leveling? I can just experience everything at level 1 and kill it easier cause it scales to me.

You sir, need to think about the future of the game and not what you want.

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

silvertearren = engineer?

WAT?

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lol, whos that?

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Originally Posted by Euphoria

Engineer wants to take the fun and excitement out of the hard mode ifrit, so he can beat it easily, to earn 2400 exp / hr. Okay. gotcha.

wait no i lost it.

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no lol, the hard mode ifrits fun and excitement is still there, as well as the fun and excitement normal mode ifrit for lower level players. :)

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Seems like your the type of person that ONLY does things for gear. There are players who play for the the fun factor as well.

Its fine that you wouldnt, but dont try to stop someone who wants to.

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Sounds like you don't enjoy the thrill of a challenge and want everything hand fed to you.

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Originally Posted by Treach

Read previous statement please.

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My suggestion is more for the dungeons, Because ifrit already has different difficulties.

and if i want to keep killing ifrit at a low level and get bored out my mind let me do that. The funny thing is i wouldnt get bored out my mind because i can replay lower level dungeons at a higher level for challenge. ;p

Niether option is a good idea as it is.

Why should one player who did it now get stuck with the same gear as one player who did on "easy mode"?

Now if we hade scaling levels of gear to compliment various levels of difficulty, that I would be okay with.

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Originally Posted by Euphoria

Sounds like you don't enjoy the thrill of a challenge and want everything hand fed to you.

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its not about me, its the community, and realizing not every plays the game for the same reasons.

And yes i do like challenge, thats why i want to encounter it at the level i am, and whatever level i want.

For level 50 players that want a challenge can put the difficulty past level 50 and have a HYPER or INSANE mode. it really suites everyone and what they want to do.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Niether option is a good idea as it is.

Why should one player who did it now get stuck with the same gear as one player who did on "easy mode"?

Now if we hade scaling levels of gear to compliment various levels of difficulty, that I would be okay with.

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There will be, Mobs will drop items at the level. But if you want the intened drops for the dungeon you have to play the dungeon at the level it was intended. like play hard mode ifrit at 50 for the ifrit specific weapons.

I only know of one other player with blind belief that what they think is best IS best. I'm just glad I don't actually have to worry about a stupid system like this being introduced.

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Originally Posted by Treach

I only know of one other player with blind belief that what they think is best IS best. I'm just glad I don't actually have to worry about a stupid system like this being introduced.

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lol you must really hate players having fun and doing what they like to do instead of doing what you want them to do huh?

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Originally Posted by Engineer

lol you must really hate players having fun and doing what they like to do instead of doing what you want them to do huh?

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No, I just hate really stupid people giving out really stupid plans. Something in me just wants to go off on them. The fact that you want what you want when you want it without working towards the requirements set by the developers of the game annoys me for some unknown reason. Obviously the lore and story of the ifrit primal fight is pointless, I mean everyone just clicks through that stuff anyway even if it does explain why there are two versions of the fight.

No. Too much balancing involved. Content takes longer to release.

As a wise Mog once said.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Oh god, not this thread again....

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Originally Posted by Treach

You want to chain ifrit for xp? You do know there is no point to killing a level 15/25/35 ifrit for xp right? There is even 15 mins until you can retry.

Allowing everyone to see everything is great and all in theory but really? Seems very pointless....

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Ifrit is hardly a dungeon is it ?

When Dungeon Finder is added to the game being locked out of one dungeon is no problem if another is available.

Balancing isn't that big of an issue as mobs in this game scale based on level, yes even Ifrit.

It's what he said, not me. I've got better ways to level and get ready for content designed for whatever level it was specified for.

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Originally Posted by Aistaraina

No. Too much balancing involved. Content takes longer to release.

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I am going to quote this again to make sure OP reads. Jesus, i hope you have an idea how much workload it is to balance difficulty for different levels... I'd rather them work on new contents.

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Originally Posted by Treach

I don't care to do the level 15 dungeon or totrakakakakaka35something on harder difficulties, why would I want to that when I've already gotten superior gear from ifrit?

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You are an idiot .. you can't see anything but your own small minded view.

It's an easy way for the development team to recycle content not to necessarily compete against other end game content but for the 30-40 and 40-45 gapping hole that has nothing else to do but grind in XP parties.

You got Superior gear from Ifrit, funny I thought he only dropped weapons.

To the post above me I'll say it again this game is designed with level scaling in mind, basically how guild leves work should work on all monsters even bosses, perhaps with some minor tuning.

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Originally Posted by Treach

No, I just hate really stupid people giving out really stupid plans. Something in me just wants to go off on them. The fact that you want what you want when you want it without working towards the requirements set by the developers of the game annoys me for some unknown reason. Obviously the lore and story of the ifrit primal fight is pointless, I mean everyone just clicks through that stuff anyway even if it does explain why there are two versions of the fight.

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Its not stupid if my suggestion is partially implemented to xiv already.

Ifrit has normal and hard modes and Guild Leves have multiple difficulties.

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Originally Posted by Aistaraina

No. Too much balancing involved. Content takes longer to release.

As a wise Mog once said.

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it wouldnt need excess balancing, all it is, is changing mob levels. ifrit fight already has different difficulties, all i want is this to be implemented to all dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

You are an idiot .. you can't see anything but your own small minded view.

It's an easy way for the development team to recycle content not to necessarily compete against other end game content but for the 30-40 and 40-45 gapping hole that has nothing else to do but grind in XP parties.

You got Superior gear from Ifrit, funny I thought he only dropped weapons.

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If being an narrowminded idiot is the people who don't want time and effort wasted on something that probably won't even be played or used a week after releasing are called, then yes I am. (If you need explanations as to why having multiple versions of a fight that don't drop/give anything and then one real fight is bad and wasteful, then you can be the idiot and I can just be narrowminded.)

WoW's dual modes of difficulty for the raids still require you to be 85 to do them. Don't think you are going to see level 1 deathwing fights anytime soon. The scale of which this thread is asking is ridiculous and a huge waste of time that could be better spent on other things like, I don't know, overall improving gameplay that DOES affect EVERYONE?

Also what armor drops am I looking for that can actually have materia and or are good? Already have siphai turban btw.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Its not stupid if my suggestion is partially implemented to xiv already.

Ifrit has normal and hard modes and Guild Leves have multiple difficulties.



it wouldnt need excess balancing, all it is, is changing mob levels. ifrit fight already has different difficulties, all i want is this to be implemented to all dungeons.

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Which is why a primal fight is not a guild leve, which I stated pages ago. If SE wanted primal fights to be instanced guild leves they could have, but they didn't. Why? Because they wanted a hyper mode only fight for what they consider to be a god. Why are you asking them to redo and remake everything they've done so far incorrect lorewise, easier, and killable by everyone?

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Originally Posted by Treach

Which is why a primal fight is not a guild leve, which I stated pages ago. If SE wanted primal fights to be instanced guild leves they could have, but they didn't. Why? Because they wanted a hyper mode only fight for what they consider to be a god. Why are you asking them to redo and remake everything they've done so far incorrect lorewise, easier, and killable by everyone?

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The ifrit fight, and Guild Leves both have different difficulties, so why not apply Difficulty settings to all dungeons?

you dont make sense, im not suggesting instanced guild leves lol. you have bad comprehension skills. lol

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The ifrit fight, and Guild Leves both have different difficulties, so why not apply Difficulty settings to all dungeons?

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Ifrit doesn't really have different difficulties. The first contest against Ifrit is purely a story driven quest. Not a repeatable selectable difficulty.

Ifrit doesn't have difficulty settings, DH would have to be at your "max" level and would have to drop new gear that wouldn't be inferior to materia gear for people to want to do it as a raid, otherwise you are just turning DH into an XP camp so why would devs do that when xp camps already exist?

You don't make any sense, you are just stating what you want as you want it with no regard as to what is actually good for the game as it is. Maybe once 2.0 has been out for a year then they can start working on this "Scalable Content" thing you so desire but the devs have already stated that events leading up to the release of 2.0 are planned out. I don't see any reasonable way to add "your" idea into this game any time soon.

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Originally Posted by ArrowValeron

Ifrit doesn't really have different difficulties. The first contest against Ifrit is purely a story driven quest. Not a repeatable selectable difficulty.

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Ya not suggesting for the primals to be repeatable at lower levels, just have lower level story fight quests for the primals(just like they have done) . Im just suggesting the dungeons to have lower and higher level repeatable difficulties.

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Originally Posted by Treach

Ifrit doesn't have difficulty settings, DH would have to be at your "max" level and would have to drop new gear that wouldn't be inferior to materia gear for people to want to do it as a raid, otherwise you are just turning DH into an XP camp so why would devs do that when xp camps already exist?

You don't make any sense, you are just stating what you want as you want it with no regard as to what is actually good for the game as it is. Maybe once 2.0 has been out for a year then they can start working on this "Scalable Content" thing you so desire but the devs have already stated that events leading up to the release of 2.0 are planned out. I don't see any reasonable way to add "your" idea into this game any time soon.

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Not saying i want scalable content right now, im just want it to be added with all future dungeons, and the dungeons that are going to stay after 2.0.

Dungeons do not need scalable difficulty. They are designed for specific levels of content. The game is still in its infancy due to the rearrangement and re-release going on. Why can you not just be patient and see what Square Enix has in store for us. Let the developers do what they do, if you do not like it do not play. Easy as that. You want to do Totorak at 50.. go for it you still can, but know it was designed to be a lower level dungeon. Lower levels who wish to do Dzemael well they have something to aspire to.

There is no post to disagree with both options.

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Originally Posted by ArrowValeron

Dungeons do not need scalable difficulty. They are designed for specific levels of content. The game is still in its infancy due to the rearrangement and re-release going on. Why can you not just be patient and see what Square Enix has in store for us. Let the developers do what they do, if you do not like it do not play. Easy as that. You want to do Totorak at 50.. go for it you still can, but know it was designed to be a lower level dungeon. Lower levels who wish to do Dzemael well they have something to aspire to.

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The devs like hearing our ideas, and scalable content. Is the way to go for accessibility for casual, and harcore. This would actually help the game.

You

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Originally Posted by BlackomegaKingofwaffles

There is no post to disagree with both options.

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Disagree with it by stating why in the thread. :)

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Originally Posted by Engineer

The devs like hearing our ideas, and scalable content. Is the way to go for accessibility for casual, and harcore. This would actually help the game.

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Do you seriously thinks you can find another 7 people that wants to do dungeons that doesn't drop any loot? Nobody is going dungeons if there are no incentives, and don't even say exp bc it's going to be way inferior than grinding.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Do you seriously thinks you can find another 7 people that wants to do dungeons that doesn't drop any loot? Nobody is going dungeons if there are no incentives, and don't even say exp bc it's going to be way inferior than grinding.

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Yes, xp, fun, and challenge.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Do you not have comprehension skills? i said " casual players, content accessiblity, and the endgame Fun Factor."
which means, casual players can enjoy all content. Content is accessible to everyone. Endgame players can have fun playing old dungeons at a higher challenge for fun and xp.

Please read a post correctly, and have a thorough thought process before posting please. :)

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Casuals don't need to have access to every last bit of content. Some exclusivity in an MMO is fine.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

Casuals don't need to have access to every last bit of content. Some exclusivity in an MMO is fine.

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Yes some exclusivity is fine, but dungeons shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Yes some exclusivity is fine, but dungeons shouldn't be.

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Why not?

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Originally Posted by Blarp

Why not?

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Simple answer.

Fun, Live, Reboot, and Rebuild.