one fc on my server is known for early pulling is it like that on other servers?

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

All I know is I noticed several time that there are people who come-pull. I have been with an uncomplete spawning team and was one among the first to arrive. And while we planned to wait, someone come and pull. Just a leecher who have decided to pull, like that, just because he doesn't want to wait, just because he find fun to pourish other players game experience. These are are the ones who have been blacklisted and kicked from hunt LS.

PS : I don't consider early pull for A rank, they have pretty too low life. I consider only early pull for a S rank.

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To combat that this, the S rank LS I had belonged to in the past had a standard practice of doing no relays at all until their party was filled and on site. There'd be a message of "POP! Get in PF", then they relayed. It doesn't always work, especially if the mark is in a really public place, but it helps.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

I just love how everything thinks ppl waiting on the hunt should psychically know there are more people coming.

Also, it's always interesting how ppl point out that ppl who actively hunt and spawn the S ranks ruin the game for those who want to participate but no one cares about the fun or time of the 20+ people who have to wait an extra 5 minutes so 1 person can finish what they are doing, change jobs, fix their gear, grab their choco, teleport, shout for a party, look on their map to locate the pos, then cross the entire map after those people spent the time spawning it in the first place. You're lucky the tell anyone at all.

I think you are misinterpreting who is the selfish party here

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That's not how it works, today it may be you spawning or finding and the next it might be me. We all like the hunts, let's help each other.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

That's not how it works, today it may be you spawning or finding and the next it might be me. We all like the hunts, let's help each other.

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Next time you are out in the woods with your rifle, hunting deer. see how many times other hunters will not only wait for you to arrive, but also put out a shout on Twitter that there's a nice buck 200 feet in front of them in a clearing.

I'm honestly sick of people who claim that it's all about helping each other. It's not, it's all about people believing that they are entitled to the rewards from the hunt, even if they did nothing more than watch their LS activity and 'port in. It's hunting, first group strong enough pulls and takes the reward, that's how it works.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

That's not how it works, today it may be you spawning or finding and the next it might be me. We all like the hunts, let's help each other.

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Let's be realistic here, the majority does nothing to spawn S ranks, it's just a few people doing all the work while everyone else complains they missed the rewards from something they put zero effort on spawning.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I'm pretty sure that mark resetting has been explicitly labeled a violation of the rules because when you reset a mark that someone else has already pulled, you are interfering with another player's gameplay. Report them.

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Yeah that happened last year, i ended up getting nodda because those jerks. I should have reported but did not bother :(

1. There is no such thing as an early pull.
2. Hunts are intentionally not meant for the whole server to bombard it (check previous live letters)
3. Most servers just outsmarted the meaning of hunts and made sure that the masses could enjoy it wich is a very noble thing to do but is not required by anyone.
4. Again there is no such thing as an early pull. You did not invent hunts and you do not have a monopoly on how hunts should be done.

iirc something like this got investigated on my server a long time ago because it could be considered "3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers."

Pulling early with the only intention to screw others over and laugh at it can in a way be seen as disrupting the gaming experience for others since it doesn't give them the ghost of a chance to try and enjoy the feature of the game.

but this is just something I vaguely heard off, no idea whatso ever if it's true or not.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

iirc something like this got investigated on my server a long time ago because it could be considered "3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers."

Pulling early with the only intention to screw others over and laugh at it can in a way be seen as disrupting the gaming experience for others since it doesn't give them the ghost of a chance to try and enjoy the feature of the game.

but this is just something I vaguely heard off, no idea whatso ever if it's true or not.

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That's stretching what they meant. You're also implying that they pull early to hurt you instead of impatience.

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one fc on my server is known for early pulling is it like that on other servers?

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This game is played by (mostly) human beings, so I'd imagine it is. ;]

I don't do hunts but that fact is there is no such thing as a early pull on hunt mobs. If enough people are there to kill it. It's fair game.

It's open world content and designed 1st come 1st server.

My server has at least two of them.

Would it be a bad idea, besides breaking the hunt lore, if marks re-spawn timers were converted to a personal cool-down, like this:

A Ranks: re-spawn immediately in another random location. If you previously killed that mark in less than 3 hours, you don't get any rewards, you can't attack it, even if you're in a party with somebody "open".
S Ranks: can be re-spawned with their regular method or re-spawn automatically for those who pop alone while time/weather allows it. Same personal cool-down of A ranks, but longer (72 h?).

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

That's stretching what they meant. <snip>

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Weirdly though they actually will punish for it and they do treat it was game disruption. It can be a form of griefing other players depending on circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Next time you are out in the woods with your rifle, hunting deer. see how many times other hunters will not only wait for you to arrive, but also put out a shout on Twitter that there's a nice buck 200 feet in front of them in a clearing.

I'm honestly sick of people who claim that it's all about helping each other. It's not, it's all about people believing that they are entitled to the rewards from the hunt, even if they did nothing more than watch their LS activity and 'port in. It's hunting, first group strong enough pulls and takes the reward, that's how it works.

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Does each hunter get a deer if 10 shoot? You're sick of people promoting that we help each other? I'm early to every hunt, I participate in active search and I call out targets on 5 linkshells when possible.

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Originally Posted by Toguro

In Gilgamesh, if you are not teleporting 5secs after a hunt is called, it's over. No matter how many linkshells you have.

With the 5sec teleport + loading + travel you have no chance. Because they are pulled so fast.

I've found hunts with NO ONE there. Then the train pops up out of no where. Waits 30secs or less and kills it. Watched it with my own eyes

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This is why Gilgamesh is a horrible server, thank god i got out of that server

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Originally Posted by SolidN7

This is why Gilgamesh is a horrible server, thank god i got out of that server

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Meanwhile, I have the exact same thought about leaving Balmung. So much whining when hunts are "pulled early." (Single topic related reason why I dislike Balmung, not the only reason.)

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Meanwhile, I have the exact same thought about leaving Balmung. So much whining when hunts are "pulled early." (Single topic related reason why I dislike Balmung, not the only reason.)

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Nah, Balmung >>>>>>>Gilgamesh

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Originally Posted by SolidN7

Nah, Balmung >>>>>>>Gilgamesh

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I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to change your opinion. I was showing the other side of the field.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to change your opinion. I was showing the other side of the field.

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We had a person on Siren (many many people on siren) who will shout about the pulling early and inevitably there is a response shout of "welcome to siren". I've resisted thus far, but I really want to shout "welcome to hunts'.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Weirdly though they actually will punish for it and they do treat it was game disruption. It can be a form of griefing other players depending on circumstances.

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Whoever told you that was probably spreading propaganda hoping it'd spread and people would stop quickly pulling. The only occurrence of griefing that can occur with Hunts is intentionally resetting them, and funny enough that tends to be caused by people who are upset they arrived late and not the ones who got there fast and started it.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

Does each hunter get a deer if 10 shoot? You're sick of people promoting that we help each other? I'm early to every hunt, I participate in active search and I call out targets on 5 linkshells when possible.

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A chicken in every pot and free ice-cream for everyone? Hunts are a 1st come 1st served piece of content, the 'fact' that on one server or another a group has performed a social engineering reprogramming on the community such thatoone pulls a mark until the mark itself is begging to be slain because it's tired of all the fireworks and e-peen while the 'hunters' wait for more 'hunters' to arrive, doesnt alter the fact that there is no such thing as an early pull; unless you live in some utopian world where everyone shares equally in the wealth, regardless of actual effort.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

Alright guys we don't need to revive the zombie horse again and give it another beating. This thread has done enough of that.

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Mmmm grains!

The socialists have infested Eorzea! Burn them with fire!

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Whoever told you that was probably spreading propaganda hoping it'd spread and people would stop quickly pulling. The only occurrence of griefing that can occur with Hunts is intentionally resetting them, and funny enough that tends to be caused by people who are upset they arrived late and not the ones who got there fast and started it.

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That's not propaganda. If the mob is intentionally reset, and you're right - that's when they would punish, the GM can get you for griefing (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2337557) .

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

A chicken in every pot and free ice-cream for everyone? Hunts are a 1st come 1st served piece of content, the 'fact' that on one server or another a group has performed a social engineering reprogramming on the community such thatoone pulls a mark until the mark itself is begging to be slain because it's tired of all the fireworks and e-peen while the 'hunters' wait for more 'hunters' to arrive, doesnt alter the fact that there is no such thing as an early pull; unless you live in some utopian world where everyone shares equally in the wealth, regardless of actual effort.

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The idea behind sharing is that all would get the benefit of having more targets to take down. Its not social engineering, its being good neighbors. Instead I find this me me me, f u survival of the fittest mindset. Make the world a better place, it starts with your attitude not the world we live in.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

The idea behind sharing is that all would get the benefit of having more targets to take down. Its not social engineering, its being good neighbors. Instead I find this me me me, f u survival of the fittest mindset. Make the world a better place, it starts with your attitude not the world we live in.

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LOL, well, whatever. Personally, I feel that if I or one of my friends either find, or spawn a A or S and members of our FC or LS want to join in, that's great, we wait for the team to arrive. But, what I'm not going to do is shout a general broadcast to the great unwashed inviting them to come over for free Allies Seals, nor do I want some horde to descend and turn the hunt into a zerg. If it's the middle of the night and warm bodies are scarce I'll do a general shout, because I need help. It's not about a me...me...me approach or being selfish, it's about playing the game as intended and not wasting my time waiting for everybody and their Mum to show up.

I have to disagree with you, what you described is social engineering because you are modifying the community response to content and altering the way your community handles that content in a way that the developers did not intend.

As for making the world a better place, I strongly believe in a safety net in society, and a livable one at that. What I don't believe in is acting like you belong to a hive mind or collective. As for any further discussion in this vein, I'll not get dragged into a personal debate over what ultimately will amount to politics.

What a lot of people don't incorporate into the equation is the narcissism and malicious intent some people genuinely have for pulling the hunts early.

This FC in particular has a member(leader?) who genuinely seeks out hunts with a third party program to annoy others and shouts it out after he's pulled it to harass others.

Yes, they may have found the hunt. Yes, they don't have to wait. Yes, it's SE's fault for making hunts so weak in parallel to gear but does this mean you should also throw out human decency?

I guess that's up to you as an individual and the game's owners to decide because letting it pass without doing anything will only continue festering more toxicity in this game.

"one fc on my server is known for early pulling is it like that on other servers?
im just curious"

Wait so ppl still think this is a casual thing.. 1st come 1st served...it a competition..SE said that over a year ago.

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Originally Posted by MihaelB

This FC in particular has a member(leader?) who genuinely seeks out hunts with a third party program to annoy others and shouts it out after he's pulled it to harass others

I guess that's up to you as an individual and the game's owners to decide because letting it pass without doing anything will only continue festering more toxicity in this game.

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Lol you don't need a third party program to be the 1st ther or to pull befor everyone and 2nd there is jake you can do about it, telling them to stop will not work lol SE won't stop them it a competition after all.

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Originally Posted by Lulu89

Lol you don't need a third party program to be the 1st ther or to pull befor everyone and 2nd there is jake you can do about it, telling them to stop will not work lol SE won't stop them it a competition after all.

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Of course you don't 'need' one but they blatantly advertise they use it and tell people to use it or get shut out. They're known on our server to attempt sell content and I don't know why people would bother if they know the group uses third party tools and abuse the community in the first place.

While early pulling is technically not a thing, there is a linkshell on my server that was notorious for a number of things. Not only did they frequently pull early, but they were known for not calling out hunts at all or waiting until the hunt was almost dead. If a group got to a hunt before they did, they'd steal aggro from the tanks, leash it so that it reset, thus rendering the previous group's efforts null and void. The last method was only possible before the Eorzean Development Team changed the nature of hunt marks and FATE bosses.

This went out of their way to ensure that nobody else on the server couldn't participate in hunts. And some of their members bragged about it. It really turned off quite a few, myself included, from wanting to participate in hunts. When the development team changed how hunts behaved, the linkshell essentially imploded on itself. Other people started participating more, keeping things (relatively) civil and wanting to give as many players as possible a chance to participate.

There is one on my server, FC called (name edited out cuz cant post them?) something? they are really strange and a few of their members are toxic, always shouting insults to others, stalking me and my FC (outside the game) , a real classy bunch..lol They come to our house and idle in our yard dying for attention from me and never ever once getting it :D

I don't really care if people pull early, but shouting childish things is another matter.

Oh..and one of their members said he was going to hunt us down at fanfest and beat us up. Classy group of people! Jokes on them though as I have 0 interest in fan fest lol.

Might wanna edit out name. Name shaming is a nono.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

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Yeah, um... I'm pretty sure none of those things happened. Hm.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

Yeah, um... I'm pretty sure none of those things happened. Hm.

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Pretty sure they did..pretty sure I have screens to prove it. And no..I never said a name. Never once mentioned a players name.

But since we are not allowed to post names..I guess I can't post them. I could post them on the sarg FB group though :D I don't really care enough to do so, I already spoke to a GM and stopped this last month..also the entire FC has been on my blist, so I have had 0 issue since.

Ah here we are, here is the screen with the names blurred out..and as I said, can gladly post the unedited one elsewhere. Tf is MY FC btw.

http://i.imgur.com/MuFX0U2.png

Is there anything else we'd like to deny perhaps..or shall I post the screens (with names blurred) at my house, I also have facebook messages (which i will not be posting) and other things of these fellows harassing me and my FC. Mind you I never said one word. That convo there was between my FC mate...and one of that...um, other FC.

Random hunt grudges exploding into stalking in real life is a pretty big leap of logic though. For claiming that they're dying of attention and you're not giving it, you sure are suddenly giving a lot of it on the forums to prove something.

I would pursue those charges as a member of the named FC myself, but in the end, it's really not worth the headache for the staff here, and I speak this as a staff moderator for another MMO as well.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

Random hunt grudges exploding into stalking in real life is a pretty big leap of logic though. For claiming that they're dying of attention and you're not giving it, you sure are suddenly giving a lot of it on the forums to prove something.

I would pursue those charges as a member of the named FC myself, but in the end, it's really not worth the headache for the staff here, and I speak this as a staff moderator for another MMO as well.

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Agreed, in the sense that yes, the member(s) (there is a couple of em) was the problem. I mean, I am just saying what happened..it started because my FC mate finally said hunts are no longer fun cuz <personsname> and then said person went and told him off and a buncha cursing (yes I have screens of this also), but this person in question does get told they "early pull". Like I said, I don't care about early pulling, pull whenever people want :) But I was just saying, they harass my members and stalk outside the game and in...its not the ENTIRE FC, but it was a group of them there doing it.

But again, it doesn't matter..and not everyone there is a bad person (I can't say because I don't know everyone there) but all I can say is..yes, very bad stuff happened but it is all fixed now and they have since disappeared outside the game at least.

But yes it is true, anytime this person was in the zone they should try to /shout to get my FC and I's attention, because we would pull before them lol. What goes around comes around I guess? ><

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

Random hunt grudges exploding into stalking in real life is a pretty big leap of logic though. For claiming that they're dying of attention and you're not giving it, you sure are suddenly giving a lot of it on the forums to prove something.

I would pursue those charges as a member of the named FC myself, but in the end, it's really not worth the headache for the staff here, and I speak this as a staff moderator for another MMO as well.

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Obliviously for a person who says he's a staff moderator of another MMO you have a nice work ethics *sarcasm* Iromi has every right to post it on the forums and follow protocol in doing so. So at least maybe right people can Handle the situation before it gets worst.

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Originally Posted by Raynar

Obliviously for a person who says he's a staff moderator of another MMO you have a nice work ethics *sarcasm* Iromi has every right to post it on the forums and follow protocol in doing so. So at least maybe right people can Handle the situation before it gets worst.

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There are generally certain private channels to follow though before posting on the forums becomes an option. I've seen enough break out into massive 'he said/she said' fights with people posting dumb popcorn memes on the sidelines, and the situation usually escalates way high into the sky thereafter, because suddenly everyone knows and there's public perception at stake. And the staff won't intervene publicly on the forums anyway, or else things might get WORSE. Thankfully this shouldn't happen in this instance, though.

Usually the only positive thing that comes out of posting such things on the forums is increased visibility to the staff if someone close to them is watching and deems it important enough to have a look-over, assuming the staff wasn't already handling it. But here, this person already admitted she talked to the staff an entire month ago about it anyway.

There's a reason why naming and shaming is generally frowned upon on most forums. :/