Please let us socket materia without crafting

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

And I didn't enjoy my grind for the Animus weapon, but tough luck. If you want to get ahead and rely on yourself more, deal with it and do it yourself.

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Yeah! If you want to enjoy yourself in this game you need to spend time NOT enjoying yourself first!

This is a pitiful defense of a system. I don't even agree with Dejavu's point that much, but suggesting that a player "deal with it" and not enjoy themselves while playing a game they presumably play for enjoyment, for an incredibly minor payoff, is just ludicrous. Melding is literally a 1 click system, would you have defended 1.0 when you had to have crafters repair your gear for you? Were you upset when you no longer really had to do that? What's the harm in changing it now that materia melding is far more common?

I'd rather crafters vouch for the devs to give them more gear to craft that means something. Eikon gear is a start but you guys need more then just glamour items. As it stands even the Eikon gear requires large investments and with Raid gear or even tome gear once augmented it will match or exceed your crafted gear ever so slightly. Moreso now it gets 2 Materia slots. And I wager crafters do a lot more work acquiring materials then raiders do. And you aren't even at the stage of making it master quality either.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

This is an MMORPG, which is called "Massively Multiplayer Online Role PLaying Game" for a reason. You are EXPECTED to interact with other players. Players are expected to help each other.

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The level of interaction from melding is so minuscule; it's not worth the trouble if you ask me, but then again I like that I don't have to bug crafters to do menial tasks like repair my gear. The act of melding is just not very involved.

I honestly think they should place an npc that will do the guaranteed melds for a fee so that there's still an advantage to having crafted classes leveled but the system is less bogged down. They can keep overmelds tied to crafters (so we can all join in on the "fun" of watching materia explode) because that's unique to crafted gear.

Well honestly I think it would of been a fine addition if FFXIV was made like this from the start.

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Originally Posted by dejavutwo

slotting materia is something raiders did not have to worry about, and crafting/raiding was fairly separate. Participation in crafting was not required for raiding, and participation in raiding in not required for crafting. being able to slot my own materia without having to bother someone else is far from wanting to craft my own gear.

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You can do it
Just teach your character the way to do it with leveling up some DoH classes

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Originally Posted by Mutemutt

I honestly think they should place an npc that will do the guaranteed melds for a fee so that there's still an advantage to having crafted classes leveled but the system is less bogged down. They can keep overmelds tied to crafters (so we can all join in on the "fun" of watching materia explode) because that's unique to crafted gear.

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I'm ok with a NPC doing it if it will have some disadvantages compared to a crafter doing it, like it is with repair (NPC repair cost more and can't do it in instances).

Like expansive cost or lower success chance and the need of self farmed alexandrites

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

OK, just let me go ahead and level GSM, LTW, WVR and ALC to 60 for the sole purpose of melding.

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You can use those classes also for repairing

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

Untrue. Crafted accessories have quite often been BiS when overmelded.

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But buying an item to use from a crafter is very different from having to go to a crafter every time I get an item. Crafting and raidning have never been 100% independent of each other. I always bought food and potions off the marketboard, and there is also the new crafted set that's come out. I never said crafting shouldn't have a place in raiding, just that it shouldn't be required for every single piece of gear you pick up.

Honestly I don't have an issue leveling crafting. It's frankly super easy between leves, GC turnins and beast tribe dailies. My issue isn't with crafting it's with gathering. It's so damn tedious to level gathering that the gathering is my main blocking point to progression is how damn slow they level. The exp gain from gathering is just crap low.

I've wanted melding to vanish for ages.
It's stupid on many levels.

/sarcasm_on
We all know in FF7 that Cloud & crew stopped their adventures to sit down and craft so they could put material in their gear.
/sarcasm_off

And ever since Material became available on new gear. Crafter have started raising prices on it.
I am NOT paying 200k to slot materia. Ever.

Removing melding would not make crafter obsolete.
In fact it would promote folks to meld more.
Having such a key gameplay aspect 100% tied/reliant on players is flawed.

That said. If they removed the lvl requirement to melding as a crafter. I guess no one would complain then.

But I remember in WOW people could slot their own gems. They just needed the crafter to make the gems/cut them.

It didn't kill crafting in that.

Crafter need to get over themselves. You make plenty of Gil.
Folks being able to slot and unslot materia will not break your bank accounts.

But on the flip side...
Maybe melding could be used to add materia when all the slots have been filled.
Aka: Overmelding.
THAT imo should require a crafter.

From a logical standpoint. Anyone could put an object into a slot.
But slotting an object where there is no slot...that would be difficult.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

Yeah! If you want to enjoy yourself in this game you need to spend time NOT enjoying yourself first!

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It takes 5 seconds to ask someone to meld on your behalf. You are not forced to meld everything yourself, so this is literally the single dumbest argument ever made. You're also not forced to meld at all. You never have been, but many people did meld before, so why is it so different now? Oh right. because tome gear also has slots now, so you feel naked without shiny materia in them.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

What's the harm in changing it now that materia melding is far more common?

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Because it's a vital part of the crafting role. It's like saying a healer can heal, but they're not allowed to remove status ailments. Or tanks can tank, but they're not allowed to Provoke.

For what it's worth, I did actually prefer the system where crafting jobs repaired your gear, because it made them so much more relevant than they are now. There was an actual market for us that did not involve high end gear and ultra-rare items for glamour purposes only. Now, we have to break the bank grinding scrips and countless rare items just to craft something which doesn't even match tome gear.

SE doesn't want to give us relevance through gear, so we make the niceties that everyone can easily live without. The reason the market is so expensive, is because crafting is one heck of a grind just to get to a stage where we can make that stuff. As much as people love to point fingers at crafting jobs, claiming we're overpaid fat-cats with billions in the bank, they fail to realize how much effort went into getting there.

So, no. I don't want crafting jobs to lose one of their benefits when they have so few of them to start with. Crafting has always been reliant on combat jobs, so why are you suddenly annoyed that it's the other way around for a change?

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Originally Posted by Defias

/sarcasm_on
We all know in FF7 that Cloud & crew stopped their adventures to sit down and craft so they could put material in their gear.
/sarcasm_off

Crafter need to get over themselves. You make plenty of Gil.
Folks being able to slot and unslot materia will not break your bank accounts.

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/sarcasm on
Cuz single player game =/= MMO, right.
/sarcasm off


I don't think crafters have EVER worried about gil with crafting. I've never ONCE gotten gil for melding someone's gear, and I seriously doubt many others do either (and those that do wouldn't make enough from it to be a sustainable income, even.)

What crafters are saying is, they did a lot of work to be able to utilize that melding, it's one of the few things that makes those levels actually worthwhile, if you(proverbial, not direct) don't want to do that work, then talk to someone, simple as that.

On that, why in the seven hells would you want to get rid of melding? Gear is watered down and bland enough. Melding at least gives the illusion of customized stats!

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

I don't think crafters have EVER worried about gil with crafting. I've never ONCE gotten gil for melding someone's gear, and I seriously doubt many others do either (and those that do wouldn't make enough from it to be a sustainable income, even.)
What crafters are saying is, they did a lot of work to be able to utilize that melding, it's one of the few things that makes those levels actually worthwhile, if you(proverbial, not direct) don't want to do that work, then talk to someone, simple as that.

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This is perfectly fair, and I can respect that. However, the game was flipped on its head fundamentally with the change to materia slots on raid gear. No longer is this something that is an added convenience, but is a requirement.

I think that it would be great if they did a system similar to repairing, where anyone can go to an NPC and pay gil to repair, but those who leveled their crafters can go ahead and do it anywhere on their own. With materia, one could go ahead and slot materia at an NPC for a fee, or they can find a crafter to help them or they can do it themselves if they've crafted.

I feel this would keep the added convenience and keep crafters worthwhile for all the time they put into it, but also let those of us who really despise crafting in this game find an alternate avenue to do this. If this wasn't a gearing requirement it would be different.


Another system that may work is for crafters to create a mobile meld kit that they can sell on the market board. Then anyone could buy this to meld stuff on to their gear, this would allow for non-crafters to be able to meld without having to hunt someone down and it would provide an even more worthwhile aspect to crafting.

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Originally Posted by Defias

And ever since Material became available on new gear. Crafter have started raising prices on it.
I am NOT paying 200k to slot materia. Ever.

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Anyone that charges you 200K to slot a materia is being a prick. Don't even give them a gil.

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Originally Posted by Defias

Removing melding would not make crafter obsolete.
In fact it would promote folks to meld more.
Having such a key gameplay aspect 100% tied/reliant on players is flawed.

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No, it wouldn't make crafting obsolete, but it would pretty much be a slap in our face who actually worked hard to get to this.

It takes a few minutes to go shout, and if you don't like their price, shout again.

For the record: I never charge for melding. I take whatever tip people have to offer. I'm just that nice.

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Originally Posted by Defias

Crafter need to get over themselves. You make plenty of Gil.
Folks being able to slot and unslot materia will not break your bank accounts.

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Wasn't about gil. It was about people demanding to have easy access to an option that pretty much all crafters have to work hard to get, in order to be self-sufficient. Maybe I'm tired of SE catering to players that feel entitled and have everything handed to them.

And on top of that, it's not even THAt hard to level crafts either. >_>

@Suirieko;

Don't you dare mistake my remarks as entitlement.
I have endured, bit & gritted my teeth and suffered all my crafters to 50. And have been preparing myself mentally to suffer the torment once again to lvl 60.

And I didn't give the crafter a dime and because I refused to pay she didn't do the meld. I gave her the tip of a detailed cuss out as a result.

But with folks setting high standards. People are already starting a "You must have _ materia melded to your gear." Meta.
So it's becoming a requirement.
So greedy players are exploiting it as easy money.

However, Materia in this game has honestly been a lackluster feature to begin with.
Considering it is a nod/homage to FF7 it does a horrible job of emulating it.
Not once in FF7 did Cloud and his team stop what they were doing hunt down a crafter and have them stick a ball in a hole.
I sure don't remember Kadaj & his troupe in Advent Children squatting down and melding. They just stuck the materia in their gear and went about their business.

When armor has slots open. I feel players should be able to slot & unslot Materia at will.
When it comes to Overmelding...aka: trying to slot Materia where there is no slot...
Now THAT should require a Crafter.

Now if they added in a materia NPC who can do melds with 100% success when melding to a slot.
NOT when overmelding.
Who charges like the repair NPC.
Let's say 1000gil per meld.
Overmelds being 10k per Materia but like with real crafters has a high chance of failure.
I'd honestly shut my mouth. But even then...that's a band-aid to a bad system.
Materia never should have required a crafter.
Like Chocobo Racing the system is complicated for no honest reason.

And for the record. I don't charge for melds. I don't charge for most of the crafting crap like others in this game.

I deliberately make HQ newbie gear and hand it out to newbies. And crash the market on newbie gear.
No newbie should have to pay 10 or 20k for gear. Period.

I leveled crafts so I could help out newbies, meld (which I want to see go away), and help out friends.

@Ilitsa

My point was that Materia is a direct nod to FF7. But it's done horribly.
As I stated above. It is becoming a requirement.
And while it may give an illusion of choice...
Folks are already stating that _ materia must be in blank slot for _ role/Job. So no...we're all STILL going to be the bland copy & paste of each other once the meta is set in stone.

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Originally Posted by Defias

Not once in FF7 did Cloud and his team stop what they were doing hunt down a crafter and have them stick a ball in a hole.
I sure don't remember Kadaj & his troupe in Advent Children squatting down and melding. They just stuck the materia in their gear and went about their business.

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I love this, namely because the system for Materia between FFVII and FFXIV is different to begin with, but also the fact that Cloud himself was considered the expert on materia slotting, hence not needing to find anyone. Remember, Barrett had to ask Cloud how to do it for the tutorial, CLOUD ALREADY KNEW!

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

I love this, namely because the system for Materia between FFVII and FFXIV is different to begin with, but also the fact that Cloud himself was considered the expert on materia slotting, hence not needing to find anyone. Remember, Barrett had to ask Cloud how to do it for the tutorial, CLOUD ALREADY KNEW!

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In that tutorial Cloud literally said to Barrett that if an item has a materia slot you just need to put the materia in the slot.
Aka: "Put the Ball in the Hole."

Cloud never mentioned needing a Catalyst, nor was Cloud trained in any crafts.
Barrett felt like an idiot.

It's also worth mentioning...that to Remove Materia they would just:
"Take the ball out of the hole."
And the Materia & item did not get destroyed in the process.

Video: https://youtu.be/XTXHFFOLUko

It's clear yoshi is trying to establish teamwork between the crafting and Raiding community, they have always been very separate. This change almost forces you to ask others to meld for you every time you get an upgrade, which is tedious I can understand that but it's also promoting community. The crafters can now charge for melds and people will pay for it if they don't have the craft, this is a good thing for the crafters but a slight annoyance for the pve raider crowd.

I am in the middle, I am maxed out with Goldsmithing for my right side of my gear but I don't feel like leveling a bunch of others crafts for my left side (2-3 crafts max for just left side melding).

If you understand the concept behind the change you can't really get mad even though it may be annoying at first.

I think a good comprimise would be to just require one craft at X level to meld Y grade materia, requiring 3 or more crafts to meld you gear on one class seems a bit much.

My friends ask me all the time to meld stuff for them. Really, it's no big deal. Most people with their crafts leveled understand that it's not something for everyone and therefore don't fuss over melding stuff. It's especially easy now that we don't have to change classes. So, if you're worried about "putting other people out," don't.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

OK, just let me go ahead and level GSM, LTW, WVR and ALC to 60 for the sole purpose of melding.

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You also gain access for self-repairs so its just not for melds, repairing was actually a reason why i leveled all crafters in firstplace but after that i also noticed that crafting can also print lots of money.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

It takes 5 seconds to ask someone to meld on your behalf. You are not forced to meld everything yourself, so this is literally the single dumbest argument ever made. You're also not forced to meld at all. You never have been, but many people did meld before, so why is it so different now? Oh right. because tome gear also has slots now, so you feel naked without shiny materia in them.

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Is it really necessary to get into this argument again? If you're trying to clear endgame difficult content. You are expected to be doing everything within your reasonable ability and power to pull your weight. You're supposed to gear the best you can, learn your rotation the best you can, and perform the best you can, as there are 7 others counting on you to do so. Having SOMETHING melding into your materia slots is "required" in the sense that if you don't, you're either a douche, or you'll be short of a static if you don't. I'm not "forced" to wear pants when I go into work, but I'll probably be fired if I don't.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Because it's a vital part of the crafting role. It's like saying a healer can heal, but they're not allowed to remove status ailments. Or tanks can tank, but they're not allowed to Provoke.

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This is a horrible analogy, there's nothing near equivalency here. Melded was never a vital part of crafting for anything other than crafting gear. SOME Combat builds and items needed it, but providing melding services is almost never lucrative or terribly common. It most certainly will be now that all end-game gear will need it, but that's not fair to say this has always been the case, it simply hasn't.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

For what it's worth, I did actually prefer the system where crafting jobs repaired your gear, because it made them so much more relevant than they are now. There was an actual market for us that did not involve high end gear and ultra-rare items for glamour purposes only. Now, we have to break the bank grinding scrips and countless rare items just to craft something which doesn't even match tome gear.

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Anything lucrative or involving large amounts of money in this game, is a DIRECT result of crafting or gathering. The only money there is to be made in combat gameplay, is selling runs. Something that less than half of 1% of players probably do.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

SE doesn't want to give us relevance through gear, so we make the niceties that everyone can easily live without. The reason the market is so expensive, is because crafting is one heck of a grind just to get to a stage where we can make that stuff. As much as people love to point fingers at crafting jobs, claiming we're overpaid fat-cats with billions in the bank, they fail to realize how much effort went into getting there.

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Right, your crafting system is flawed and heavily un-fun for the majority of players. That's why there's so few of you and why most crafters corner the market pretty hard on their servers.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

So, no. I don't want crafting jobs to lose one of their benefits when they have so few of them to start with. Crafting has always been reliant on combat jobs, so why are you suddenly annoyed that it's the other way around for a change?

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So why not give them new benefits and things to craft? As opposed to just adding in inconvenience for both them and non-crafters? This is, at best, a band aid to the crafting system being somewhat relevant.

This is a really poor defense. You want your system to be relevant, by being bothered every once in a while making almost nothing or nothing at all for clicking a button. Mesmerizingly intense and rewarding gameplay. Totally worth keeping in the game.

Again You are NOT forced to craft but it does require a certain level of social/politeness all you have to do is offer a reasonable tip (MOST Crafters will meld for free but if any crafter demands like 10k for a meld is just simply a jerk). A small tip especially if you ask for more than one meld is polite.

If you're saying you can't get one person to offer to meld gear for you idyllshire with a /shout Can (whavtever you need) spare a moment for level 60 melds? Offering a small tip.--- I think you may have a more serious problem - like being on too many BLists (or blisting too many real players)

SE has been making it so much easier on crafters to meld.

I have 3 character with full 60 crafting (all 2 star capable - working on 3 star capable now T_T;) - there is nothing wrong with the levelling grind to get there.
If it's not your cup of tea, shout or ask a FC mate. Not to mention crafting self-repairs will help when you have a derp moment and you realize your gear will break in that run and repair your gear right there in the dungeon.

To OP:
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To OP:
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i was thinking in F.U when ppl talked about entitled to nothing :D

OT :3 cant wait for season 4 .... 5 days to go :o

Nope. It's something else crafters are good for. You're essentially ignoring a large part of the game by not crafting, so it's kinda your own fault if you have to get help from someone else.

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Originally Posted by Defias

In that tutorial Cloud literally said to Barrett that if an item has a materia slot you just need to put the materia in the slot.
Aka: "Put the Ball in the Hole."

Cloud never mentioned needing a Catalyst, nor was Cloud trained in any crafts.
Barrett felt like an idiot.

It's also worth mentioning...that to Remove Materia they would just:
"Take the ball out of the hole."
And the Materia & item did not get destroyed in the process.

Video: https://youtu.be/XTXHFFOLUko

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And here you miss the "Different system" part of my comment.

I did not miss that part of your comment.
But honestly this shouldn't be an issue. Melding (like repairing) just should not be an issue like this.

Like repairing it should be something that players can do themselves. Either by NPC or like in other MMOs, through their own menu. This the only MMO that requires another person to update/slot your own gear.

Offline game or not. FF7 had the right idea. True Materia in the game served more a bigger purpose than stats.
But, the concept was sound. Made sense.

Why do we need a Catalyst for a slot?
Are we stuffing the slot with paper/glue so the orb doesn't fall out?
Can the Warrior of Light honestly not put a ball into a hole?

Leveling crafting classes is extremely tedious and most people have no desire to spend the necessary amount of time on it when they could be doing something else.

The game should never force that on players. With endgame gear now having slots, it's time to let everyone at least affix Materia to the existing slots. Crafters still have the actual crafted gear to themselves and that's what makes them gil, so it's not like letting everyone meld hurts them in any way. All the current system does is force players to keep hassling crafters constantly for no benefit to anyone.

How interestingly hypocritical.

I see raiders complaining about having to do something they don't want to do (craft) in order to get something they want (materia melding), and being upset when people are telling them that they're being lazy.

Isn't it the raiders who called casuals 'lazy' for wanting something (story) without having to do something they didn't want to do (raid)?

Turnabout is fair play.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

How interestingly hypocritical.

I see raiders complaining about having to do something they don't want to do (craft) in order to get something they want (materia melding), and being upset when people are telling them that they're being lazy.

Isn't it the raiders who called casuals 'lazy' for wanting something (story) without having to do something they didn't want to do (raid)?

Turnabout is fair play.

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Ah yes, remember that time I made a sweeping generalization and then a thing happened that seemingly confirmed my biased opinions and beliefs? Clearly this confirmed my biased opinions and beliefs! No need to reflect upon nuance or the like.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

How interestingly hypocritical.

I see raiders complaining about having to do something they don't want to do (craft) in order to get something they want (materia melding), and being upset when people are telling them that they're being lazy.

Isn't it the raiders who called casuals 'lazy' for wanting something (story) without having to do something they didn't want to do (raid)?

Turnabout is fair play.

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Not to mention how many raiders complain there's nothing to do once they've cleared all their weekly lockouts. They could actually slowly level their crafts with GC turn ins and leves. There's plenty of crafting rotation macros listed all over the interwebs. It's pretty hypocritical all right, especially if they're willfully ignoring an aspect of the game and complaining there's nothing to do and it's not handed to them on a silver platter. XD

You don't even need top end gear/stats to meld... just hit 60. If you have no interest in crafting just leave them in what gear they have and ignore scrips XD

Eh I still think open slots should have anyone be able to plop Materia in and Crafters have the boon of overmelding which implies the Crafter is melding in new slots to existing equipment that wouldn't be there normally. You shouldn't have to ask someone or even level a crafter to click one button to put materia in a slot. It's just nonsense and only serves to apply padding.

Besides if you only had to level one crafter then great. However it usually ends up for different gear you end up having to level up a multitude of 3-5 crafters just to apply materia on all your combat class equipment for a desired class. And to do that not only takes a lot of investment but it also drains your Gil reservoir to do so.

And at this stage with level 60 gear they want crafters at the max level of 60. Just to plop a gemstone in a piece of gear. Have fun with that. I know I will.

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This. No. Level it or ask for help.

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lol completely missed that sarcasm, and I thought I wasn't good at seeing stuff like that XD. Zetsu's post was awesome XD.

Funny how the richest people in the game get upset when someone brings up something all classes should have been able to do from the start. All Final Fantasy games that have materia are melded by whoever has it. Why get upset about missing out on a tip when you have millions of gil stashed away?

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Originally Posted by Shug

Funny how the richest people in the game get upset when someone brings up something all classes should have been able to do from the start. All Final Fantasy games that have materia are melded by whoever has it. Why get upset about missing out on a tip when you have millions of gil stashed away?

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Another post by someone who has no idea what he's talking about. First, you assume that every craftswoman has millions of gil stashed away. In actual fact, you'll find combat classes generally have more disposable income than crafters because every quest and dungeon run drops gil, and they have little to no reason to spend any of it since all of the best gear costs nothing to obtain but time. Crafters, on the other hand, will use said gil to purchase rare materials or crystals to continue their craft and pour millions into getting their skills to a level where they can make the stuff which actually makes that kind of gil in the first place.

There are also those players who eke out a living on low-cost items and rely on things like materia melds and such to supplement the advancement of their crafts. Furthermore, comparing this game to every other FF game would be meaningless as only FFXI actually has crafting. FFXI crafting is not just a big industry, but they can make some of the top tier equipment in the entire game. Here, we're stuck with second best (if even that) equipment, and pretty outfits that have zero stats on them.

People here are extremely biased towards crafters. You see them as money-hoarding fat-cats, when the reality is most of us aren't all that rich and are heavily reliant on the wealth of our peers. Most crafting is done to further our crafting, whether that's making new tools and gear to push us to that next level, or crafting collectibles for scrips. It's very circular. But then, I suppose I'm just arguing with someone who only see's dollar signs in their eyes whenever they look at crafting jobs.

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Another post by someone who has no idea what he's talking about. First, you assume that every craftswoman has millions of gil stashed away. In actual fact, you'll find combat classes generally have more disposable income than crafters because every quest and dungeon run drops gil, and they have little to no reason to spend any of it since all of the best gear costs nothing to obtain but time. Crafters, on the other hand, will use said gil to purchase rare materials or crystals to continue their craft and pour millions into getting their skills to a level where they can make the stuff which actually makes that kind of gil in the first place.

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The fact that the new 220 crafted gear cost 10mil tells me that I do know what I'm talking about. Learn 2 marketboard.

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The fact that the new 220 crafted gear cost 10mil tells me that I do know what I'm talking about. Learn 2 marketboard.

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Yeah my servers marketboard just extorts ransoms for a single material of any crafter gear. Griffin Leather. 2 million. Any mat for the current Eikon gear? 1 million each. Any gear piece? 6 million to 10 million easily.

You basically need a functioning FC to get anything done in a decent manner without getting frustrated. Which could include Diadem silliness, high Gathering prerequisites, want a specific meld will require a specific lvl 60 crafter, etc.

The reason they designed the materia system the way they did as well as almost every other system in this game is so that we will be social and work together. This game is an mmorpg a genre that was created specifically so people could interact with each other and be social. If you don't wanna be social go play another game. If your fc crafter is annoyed by you asking for melds all the time then seek help outside your fc. I like that materia is now more relevant it allows crafters to play an even bigger role in this game just beyond crafting the gear itself. Stop crying about everything that isn't "simple or easy" there is nothing wrong with the materia system as it is now just suck it up and deal with it.

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The fact that the new 220 crafted gear cost 10mil tells me that I do know what I'm talking about. Learn 2 marketboard.

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Maybe you should learn to lodestone and look up the required materials for the gear. You would be surprised how much these cost. The good news is that everybody is free to grind these materials and sell them for profit to buy the gear they want. I don't know why, but a lot of players are forgetting about the fact that crafted items require materials and battle jobs can farm big portion of these.

To be honest I think people are overreacting with this melding. How often are you going to get a new gear that would require melds? Few times a week? Those few minutes are nothing in comparison how long does it take to level up crafting.

I don't think the melding should be removed from the crafters, and I don't even have the crafters leveled up yet, because it is tedious... I totally dislike the leveling part of it. Crafting is fun, it is great when players use your gear, but the leveling is painful grind - and for that you pay.

Were there more people crafting and gathering the prices would be lower. Anyone can join in and do the tedious leveling to sell the items for cheap, but then you would actually see how tedious it is.

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Originally Posted by Zeeg44

The reason they designed the materia system the way they did as well as almost every other system in this game is so that we will be social and work together. This game is an mmorpg a genre that was created specifically so people could interact with each other and be social. If you don't wanna be social go play another game. If your fc crafter is annoyed by you asking for melds all the time then seek help outside your fc. I like that materia is now more relevant it allows crafters to play an even bigger role in this game just beyond crafting the gear itself. Stop crying about everything that isn't "simple or easy" there is nothing wrong with the materia system as it is now just suck it up and deal with it.

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This! my thoughts exacty.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

Ah yes, remember that time I made a sweeping generalization and then a thing happened that seemingly confirmed my biased opinions and beliefs? Clearly this confirmed my biased opinions and beliefs! No need to reflect upon nuance or the like.

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Wow, you totally got me there! Great job!

No, actually, you completely missed the point. But, I'll give you a gold star for effort, though. Everyone gets gold stars nowadays, even when they fail, right?