Paladin adjustments = PALLY BUFFS!

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

My PLD says "Thank you! Now people can leave me alone about my low damage and high HP."

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Not necessarily.

I don't want to be the party pooper here, but "large adjustments" could mean anything. They could be changing the effects of our moves, for example, but leave the potency the same.

I fully expect TP to get a serious overhaul (or, at least, I am praying that it does). Enmity could use some work, so maybe our enmity modifiers are being adjusted. It wouldn't be the first time SE has done that one. There's also a few moves that have a lot of room for improvement. Divine Veil, Clemency, Tempered will, and Cover are all candidates for an overhaul of some kind.

I can totally see SE providing absolutely no dmg boosts to Pld, but making slight adjustments to their enmity. Changing Clem to scale with Skill Speed instead of Spell Speed, and providing some way for Pld's to regain Tp, then calling it a "large adjustment."

That said, your Pld can still breathe a little sigh of relief. The Vit/Str changes will mean that using Vit accessories will be the new standard for Tanks, and SE already said that Dps checks won't be as strict as they were in the last patch. So, even if they don't buff Pld Dps at all, you should probably take slightly less flak over it in the future ... not by much, mind you, but less.

I wonder if they remember to add those missing 10 STR points somewhere... could use +10 VIT after patch so thats one place where they could dump them *winkwink*

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Originally Posted by Februs

I can totally see SE providing absolutely no dmg boosts to Pld, but making slight adjustments to their enmity. Changing Clem to scale with Skill Speed instead of Spell Speed, and providing some way for Pld's to regain Tp, then calling it a "large adjustment."

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Well they also say that "Amongst the adjustments, paladin will be receiving large adjustments. Not only in terms of their offensive-aspects, but overall adjustments as well."
So that gives me hope that PLD is getting either a personal damage boost or a raidwide damage boost.

Honestly the only thing I thought that was the biggest issue for paladins was sword/shield oath not being on the global cooldown and paladin shield slam screwing with skill chains was the biggest issue.

Hopefully flash or circle of scorn will be adjusted. To solo old dungeons is a real pain given the lack of AoE we have at our disposal.

If Paladins get AOE, I don't see a reason to play DRK anymore unless its a large magic hitting boss.

I want really a few things, I will take more lol, but really what I want is....

1. Sword Oath being brought into line with the other non-tank stances. A 10% boost to damage would be enough really, maybe an effect too, like the 20% that is blocked by Parry is returned to the attacker, add some function to Parry at least.

2. An improved Royal Authority, maybe add optional effects, in Shield Oath it ignores the damage penalty of said Oath, and in Sword Oath it restores TP on use.

3. Overhaul Tempered Will, keeping its current effects, add a full debuff removal to it. With that recast I'm not talking one debuff, I mean pop it after Bad Breath and remove all the debuffs. Not to OP considering the recast timer.

4. If you are willing to add a new skill..... I really would like, as a mmo/fantasy fan, a PLD skill almost exactingly like Collective Unconscious. Sword in the ground, struggling animation, barrier pops up, all damage in the barrier is halved, party members attacking while in the bubble has the arggo they generate directed to the PLD, PLD can do no actions, barrier drops if recasted or when the PLD runs out of MP. Just sounds fun/epic.

Glad they finally stopped being stubborn about this, have some kudos Yoshi. Can't wait to see what they'll come up with.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

If Paladins get AOE, I don't see a reason to play DRK anymore unless its a large magic hitting boss.

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It's so much better to not see a reason to play PLD anymore unless it's a large physic hitting boss...oh, no wait, there's WAR, for that.

Just remove PLD and DRK from the game altogether.

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

Warriors are going to be nerfed, I'm guessing. Their axes will be replaced with pillows, and Fell Cleave will be replaced with Fell Cuddle.

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As a WAR main I was almost offended...but then I laughed my ass off.

To add to it...

Berserk = Pillow Fight
Bloodbath = Flowerbath

LMAO

I personally play the 3 tanks, to me the only problem I see on PLD was TP an enmity.
Besides that it feels good to me, very good physically reduction like it supose to.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

If Paladins get AOE, I don't see a reason to play DRK anymore unless its a large magic hitting boss.

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Dark Knights and Paladins should ideally be in the same place, raid-wise. The only reason for a player to choose one over the other should be preference, not need. There should be no reason beyond looking cool.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Dark Knights and Paladins should ideally be in the same place, raid-wise. The only reason for a player to choose one over the other should be preference, not need. There should be no reason beyond looking cool.

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Rule #2 of Blandness 101 in an mmo, make every tank the same. Paladin and dark knight should each have their own strength and weaknesses.

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

Warriors are going to be nerfed, I'm guessing. Their axes will be replaced with pillows, and Fel Cleave will be replaced with Fel Cuddle.

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And then there will be me, buying my co-tank a fantasia and forcing him to re-roll as a lala.....


I still expect PLD to finish 3rd while in tank stance, just not so horrifically far behind.

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Originally Posted by Reaver_Bharash

As a WAR main I was almost offended...but then I laughed my ass off.

To add to it...

Berserk = Pillow Fight
Bloodbath = Flowerbath

LMAO

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Does Pillow Fight get a buff if you're glamoured in a bikini/lingerie, I wonder? :3

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Rule #2 of Blandness 101 in an mmo, make every tank the same. Paladin and dark knight should each have their own strength and weaknesses.

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That is a horrible design philosophy that leads to players getting benched as we've observed with Paladins and Alex Savage. Tanks should play differently to achieve the same results. Not have deficiencies deliberately installed to hold back good players in the name of whatever.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

That is a horrible design philosophy that leads to players getting benched as we've observed with Paladins and Alex Savage. Tanks should play differently to achieve the same results. Not have deficiencies deliberately installed to hold back good players in the name of whatever.

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Only if the supporting raids are designed poorly. Horrible design philosophy is also in the eye of the beholder. Removing gear choices and stat weight calculation by trying to streamline the secondary stats in this game is a horrible design in a rpg based mmo. It is turning the game into Destiny at this point. Gear complexity and over the top stats is a core staple of MMO design and removing the more interesting aspects of the game for balance reasons is going to hurt the game in the long term.

A core staple of bad, unfun MMO design, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Rule #2 of Blandness 101 in an mmo, make every tank the same. Paladin and dark knight should each have their own strength and weaknesses.

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I'd rather have bland than needlessly convoluted, tbh. I'm here to play a game, not for a degree in mathematics. Making things more complicated just for the sake of making them more complicated isn't good game design. Deliberate class imbalance isn't good game design either, and I'm happy that SE is addressing the current state of tanks in order to correct the current imbalance. Players should ultimately be able to achieve the basic goals of the game (i.e. clearing content) with whatever class appeals to them.

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Originally Posted by Awful

Good! Paladin needs more love I was glad I rerolled Drk from Pld but I miss old 2.0 where I mained one, I'll probably lvl pld as my 2nd tank now and enjoy playing it.

Much hype for patch 3.2!

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But you didn't reroll you just changed weapons and soul gems...

I want a divine veil re work, does anyone else get slightly irritated when it falls off cuz the whm uses medica two even though its probably better if u have to pick between the two?

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Originally Posted by Dajinn

But you didn't reroll you just changed weapons and soul gems...

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I transcended to a Drk once I listened to My Chemical Romance, wore all black and woke up one day to only realize once you look yourself in the mirror as a Drk and not a pld you're already Living Dead...

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Originally Posted by Awful

I transcended to a Drk once I listened to My Chemical Romance, wore all black and woke up one day to only realize once you look yourself in the mirror as a Drk and not a pld you're already Living Dead...

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Crawwwwwliiiin iiiiiiiiin my skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin

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Originally Posted by Awful

I transcended to a Drk once I listened to My Chemical Romance, wore all black and woke up one day to only realize once you look yourself in the mirror as a Drk and not a pld you're already Living Dead...

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Weeeeeeelcome to the black parade!

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

I want really a few things, I will take more lol, but really what I want is....

1. Sword Oath being brought into line with the other non-tank stances. A 10% boost to damage would be enough really, maybe an effect too, like the 20% that is blocked by Parry is returned to the attacker
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So many things wrong with this part
where to begin..

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Originally Posted by alimdia

So many things wrong with this part
where to begin..

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How about at "Paladin DpS in Sword Oath is comparable to Dark Knight DpS outside of Grit."

Hi pinka... miss u long time

Giving PLD a 10% buff to all damage in Sword Oath is... a lot. Too much for little to no sacrifice. No sacrifice at all, really. I think if they do end up buffing Sword Oath, it will be to the potency of the extra damage on auto-attacks. After all, PLD has the fastest auto-attack out of the three tanks if I'm not mistaken, so increasing AA damage could potentially help quite a bit so long as it's not a +5 potency or something silly like that. But no, a direct 10% buff would be quite a lot considering the base potency of Royal Authority and Goring Blade are pretty high and they're not particularly hard skills to get to. There's also Fight or Flight....

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Originally Posted by LadyCeles

Hi pinka... miss u long time

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Giving PLD a 10% buff to all damage in Sword Oath is... a lot.

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Actually, not that much.
Considering that our weapon delay and our GCD are close to each other, Sword Oath is basically adding 50 potency to each of our GCD.
So, Fast Blade+SwO is 200 potency, RoH+SwO is 310 potency, RA+SwO is 390 potency, and so on...And we only have three damaging skills oGCD.

In fact, giving 10% damage boost to SwO would actually reduce our DPS BUT will apply all enmity bonus to those 10% boost, something that doesn't apply to our additionnal auto-attack.

I used to love PLD, but I'm concerned now that I'm accustomed to the flexibility of WAR that I might find PLD a little dull. Depends on how the new encounters work and how they deal with clemency. If they can make cover, clemency, and pacification a useful deterrent and mitigation then I would gladly switch back to PLD. Guess we'll have to see.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Rule #2 of Blandness 101 in an mmo, make every tank the same. Paladin and dark knight should each have their own strength and weaknesses.

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I agree with this but I feel the game design itself doesn't cater for it. Everything in the game is built around dps checks and as a result mitigation is for the most part just not required. Which is part of the problem with paladins at present. the only thing that's important is dps.

other issues with mitigation are it's inconsistency. healers will never toss a heal on you under the assumption you will parry / block a chunk of that damage. they will always heal expecting the full hit. which in turn leads to why parry is such a joke.

then cooldowns are mostly not required, there aren't many occasions where I would have survived an burst if only I had popped rampart instead of using it earlier. and things like hallowed ground still need to be fixed, suffering from a pretty bad delay from when you hit it to when it takes effect. mitigation on the whole just doesn't feel necessary

so having a high mitigation low dps tank wouldn't really work because of the games heavily reliance on dps checks.

only move I have been wondering about lately is "Spirits Within"... mostly only when I see a Gladiator/Paladin NPC use their variant of the move called "Spirits Without" cause it has a AoE & charge bar, its a small one but a AoE none the less (thou the charge bar is more for us to dodge just like a WAR NPC's Overpower)

First off i like PLD and i do very well in raids. My dps is better then alot of tanks (i def produce higher dps as drk) and getting this boost might just make me and players like me a monster. I also believe we should be the lowest DPS out of the 3 tanks while having the best burst mitigation. We do have very little aoe and in longer fights without jumps tp issues. Now just because i believe we should have the lowest dps out of the tanks doesnt mean we cant give more raidwide dps. Adding something to shieldswipe or making it aoe can resolve one or 2 of those issues without having to increase potency. Maybe adding some extra defence to bulwark or make it a tp regen can make us even more tanky and the skill more useful. U can also or instead make savage blade or fast blade the skill that costs 60 to improve this. Devine viel is a great move used right but clemency should be faster so it doesnt get interupted as much (u dont need to make it uninteruptable if u make it easier to time)

Been playing pld since i started. Still my only 60 and highest ilvl of 203. Still love the job.

What i want changed for PLD is HG actually being and "instant" cawt instead of it being delayed by 1 sec. I have to spam the icon just so it can pop and even then it might not go off in time before i die.
Definitely a damage boost by like possible 5% and some AOE with bulwark doing some TP regen. WAR gets a TP regen with Equilibrium when in Deliverance, so why not with Bulwark.

Being 60 PLD/DRK/WAR;

Seeing that they specifically mentioned Paladin's Oath - I hope this means they finally recognize that the loss of GCD & combo interruption was significantly detrimental to overall damage capabilities.

Additionally; Paladin has a single offensive cooldown & it is fairly powerful but the long cooldown has always made the job about limiting your losses over time - hopefully changes to Sword Oath will help address this.

Clunk;

- Cover has clunk (Distance, Targeting, Physical DMG exclusive, Ignores CDs)
- Clemency has clunk (Cast Time)
- Divine Veil has clunk (Heal requirement, Long recast)

Hopefully they fix or at least somewhat address the deficiencies with those skills.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

My PLD says "Thank you! Now people can leave me alone about my low damage and high HP."

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Also a quote from the Community Rep:
"We will be changing the method for calculating the potency of physical attacks for tank roles in Patch 3.2. We’ll be making it so vitality affects the potency of physical attacks, and as a result the effect of strength on physical attack potency will be reduced."

"From Patch 3.2 onwards, you’ll be safe using only vitality accessories as well as allocating everything to vitality as a tank. For everyone who is currently using strength accessories on their tanks, the damage will be lowered, so please prepare your vitality accessories ahead of time."

HAHAHA I've had many raid groups laugh at me for using all fending accessories on PLD. Everyone will finally leave me alone and finally see how I've always been a better PLD with high HP ^.^
This makes me ecstatic.