JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

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Originally Posted by Primernova

Queues need to be removed from MMOs. Queues, ruined MMOs. The need for an actual community, used to be very important, even if it was competitive, or especially so. Players used to step up in droves, to get better and learn. Once 'catch up' gear and having content handed to everyone was a thing, the genre died. The Japanese inherently have a deep sense of community, the west does not, at all anymore.

Make no mistake, MMOs are a dead genre. The current form of them is based strictly on addiction. They are zero fun compared to what they used to be, or any other current genre. You are wasting your time still playing them in this state.

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In Everquest you could make your character as strong as 5-10-15 other players if you put enough time and gear onto him. It made characters as individuals strong because that is the type of game it was.

If this game allowed such a thing, where individualism and competition (and entitlement) are King. Do you still think NA would suck?

I agree, they are not really that fun. I mostly just play for the RP.

When a game puts a cap on how strong your character can be, then its not a game made for the NA culture. Not many games these days allow that kind of play anymore. So, guess what? NA is usually the worst in everything.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

"Experience is the best Teacher".

Reading the book is well and good, but you still have never driven. Learning to drive by actually driving is miles better than reading the book.

Same thing here, one could watch/read a guide till their eyes bleed, they still haven't done the content.

In other words, sucking it up and doing the content is much MUCH more effective than reading some guide/video that may not even be current any more.

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This is part of the problem with NA servers. People who legitimately are so delusional they believe this BS.

Yea, "reading" a guide doesn't help you... when you don't know how to read. When I used to lead a static on Gilga, we would watch videos and it would always astound me how little people absorbed from what they watched. It was in one ear, out the other.

Learn how to properly analyze a fight. Then, watching videos might be helpful to you. Don't just disregard an incredibly important part of the learning process because you don't know how to utilize it effectively.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

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It's a video... ?

I played EQ1 from launch, you could maybe be stronger than other players in token duels, but in PvE it was all cooperation. No queues, no transfers, no name changes and years to level up fully. So getting blacklisted was true death to a player.

Westerners REQUIRE penalties to behave. Everyone's Rambo here. So sad.

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Originally Posted by Primernova

I played EQ1 from launch, you could maybe be stronger than other players in token duels, but in PvE it was all cooperation. No queues, no transfers, no name changes and years to level up fully. So getting blacklisted was true death to a player.

Westerners REQUIRE penalties to behave. Everyone's Rambo here. So sad.

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It was the same case in Starwars Galaxies/Everquest II as well. I mean you really REALLY got punished if you didn't have friends.

This game, you can level 1-60 and never talk to a single person.

You couldn't get past level 10 without forming a party yourself and working with other people. You had to find/ask crafters to make you armor so you can survive the first dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Primernova

Queues need to be removed from MMOs. Queues, ruined MMOs. The need for an actual community, used to be very important, even if it was competitive, or especially so. Players used to step up in droves, to get better and learn. Once 'catch up' gear and having content handed to everyone was a thing, the genre died. The Japanese inherently have a deep sense of community, the west does not, at all anymore.

Make no mistake, MMOs are a dead genre. The current form of them is based strictly on addiction. They are zero fun compared to what they used to be, or any other current genre. You are wasting your time still playing them in this state.

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it's all the matter of attitude.
it doesn't matter what method is employed if the attitude doesn't change.
want an example?
the JP and NA community in FF14 despite both having queues.

the problem is that we have entirely different cultures and that shapes our mentality.

Case and point: People selling runs. Yes it puts money in your pockets but if the old adage of "feeding a man a fish instead or teaching him" is true then they basically screwed over themselves in the long run and im starting to see it on my server. People quitting statics and the not being able to find a replacement due to lack of "qualified" players. While there are other examples of the community not wanting to help people, be it limited play time, tired of old content, etc, it all boils down to "if there is nothing in it for me then I don't want any part of it". Sad but true.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

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People will make anything into run sellers' fault. The feed a man a fish phrase would be more appropriate for just carrying someone.

Some sellers still help if a group's up, but if it's a party that they form with the express intent to sell a run then of course it's gonna be a sell. It's not their responsibility to make learning groups for other players, and them making their own groups do not keep people from making learning parties.

Who cares at this point, the end game community rests on a few servers now. 3.0 caused huge migrations and the end game community is in shambles on most servers. Bad players don't deserve an ounce of my time when I have barely any motivation to log in anymore.

I will be more than happy to put in the effort once SE makes the end game deeper, more compelling, and worth fostering a community for. What's the point of creating such a strong end game community? For DF and Hunts? The only content requiring any intense coordination is savage and a static will serve you much better than trying to pug your way through a4s. It's a pretty pointless video for a game that is on the shallow side.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

In other words, sucking it up and doing the content is much MUCH more effective than reading some guide/video that may not even be current any more.

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Except when learning to drive, you do read quite a bit on it, and maybe watch a few videos and see other people doing it all prior to doing it yourself, the same applies here. I can't tell you the amount reading a guide, and then watching a video has helped me understand a fight whereas I'd have no clue what to do. Experience helped my perfect my play, but without the prior knowledge it would have taken me significantly longer to learn fights. To say it's much more effective is utter crap, they both play a huge role in learning a fight. If someone isn't going to a watch a video before joining my group (if the content is over a few days at all and the content is actually difficult), they're not joining my group at all.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

The feed a man a fish phrase would be more appropriate for just carrying someone.

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which is exactly what run selling is?
Run selling does add to the problem.
By giving people a pass without having to learn anything.

Selling raid learning party would probably be more acceptable.
Like driving courses.

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Originally Posted by hagare

which is exactly what run selling is?

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Not really. Run selling would just be selling someone a fish. Which is a pretty common thing.

It's also not really exclusive from giving a man a fish or teaching a man to fish.

I agree 100% with the JP server player. I dislike it when they say "You need to have experienced a fight to join our group" But how can one experience a fight, if they arent allowed to join in the first place. If this were few groups doing it, then there would not be any issue, but sadly MAJORIY are starting to doing this and its hurting our endgame environment.

Let newcomers join and let them make mistakes, just like in real life. Most of the time, they will learn and become a asset to your group, but also to the rest of the community.

He's not wrong. To be honest, its about time someone said it. He made some brilliant points about the difference in PUG content on NA and JP servers, its a night and day difference.

Unfortunately, it won't ever change. Its not like you can change an entire culture or community of people overnight.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

This is part of the problem with NA servers. People who legitimately are so delusional they believe this BS.

Yea, "reading" a guide doesn't help you... when you don't know how to read. When I used to lead a static on Gilga, we would watch videos and it would always astound me how little people absorbed from what they watched. It was in one ear, out the other.

Learn how to properly analyze a fight. Then, watching videos might be helpful to you. Don't just disregard an incredibly important part of the learning process because you don't know how to utilize it effectively.

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they point is your not gonna get a run perfectly just because you did research on the dungeon run. you get what you need to do and even how to do it. do you honestly think analyzing a fight via video will let you preform just as good if not better then the person whom video you watched?

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Originally Posted by FaileExperiment

I'm going to say that it's because, while it was your first time, you should have read about and watched the strategy online first, and thus should have familiar with how the fight was supposed to go. Under this assumption, you wouldn't have had legitimate reason to make such a mistake, first time or no.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with this mindset, but there it is. That's where this community is at now. :/

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First strategy videos often use ridiculously stupid strategies and then everyone insists on doing it the hard way.

Like Ravana. Putting both healers in the same quad often ends up with people on the other side of the room dying or dead, and even bringing up moving a healer there gets people braying about the video start being best for everything and sheep insisting that you do it exactly how the first people did, even if its not optimal.

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Originally Posted by Primernova

They are zero fun compared to what they used to be, or any other current genre. You are wasting your time still playing them in this state.

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Someone call the "Subjective" police. I'm personally having a load of fun. I guess that just makes me better than you. :P

To go along with the "they refuse to learn" topic, there are tons of people out there that don't have the time to spare in their lives to read forums on their job, to learn the optimal rotation, test it out on the dummies, etc... I'm obviously not one of them; I spent way too much time on these forums, though I generally don't feel the need to type a reply.

My point is, I'm curious how the difference in living conditions or whatever it is that explains how JPs goes about their business that differs from NA/EU. This might shed quite a bit of light on the issue of the mentality differences on each side of the Pacific. I'm not trying to say that Asians live for pro-gaming or anything; I only can really speak for the generality of the American cultures. Really you've got a couple, or a few, or actually a handful, groups of people.

1) People who work too much and don't have much time to devote to the nuances of the game
2) People who don't work, and play more than enough to read through all material and are generally good enough to clear the highest content
3) People who both work and play at relatively equal amounts; putting forth proper effort in their lives to accomplish the goal at hand, whatever that might be
4) People who simply don't put forth any more effort than is required to achieve a standard level goal (read: level-cap and experts)
5) People who don't fall in any above grouping

I can probably safely assume that here in America we have a large hodgepodge of all of those groups above playing the same game on the same servers, and trying to get into the same groups. Obviously a lot of those people will fall short, simply by the merit of themselves. The ones who do actually make it into your PF in an attempt to clear content such as Savage could be in any of those categories. This is where I must say that I agree that we should all have a teaching mentality. Some will probably recognize me as one with a short fuse, and even shorter patience. I still prefer to teach first, and I know there are those who can back that statement up. The problem lies in how do we do this? How do we recognize what category a new person is in? For starters, we can't. And it's obvious that you'll most often find someone who simply doesn't meet the personal requirements to fit your particular PF, which I can understand (as a low patience person) why so many groups are so reluctant to accept new players for any of the truly serious content (Savage).

So, where or how does the JP community differ here? Do they have more of their player base in categories 2 and 3 above? Is it an abnormal thing in Japan for everyone and their mother to just want to "play a game with their friends" instead of striving for the highest content? These are a couple questions that probably need to be answered before we as a community can even start to make changes.

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Originally Posted by Klamor

To go along with the "they refuse to learn" topic, there are tons of people out there that don't have the time to spare in their lives to read forums on their job, to learn the optimal rotation, test it out on the dummies, etc... I'm obviously not one of them; I spent way too much time on these forums, though I generally don't feel the need to type a reply.

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So, since they don't have the time, is it ok for them to waste others? Maybe ones who just barely have the time? Maybe the ones kicking don't have the time either?

It always seems to be about the time of those who don't care to watch videos, or anything, they are two busy. I mean a ten minute video is much longer than an hour of wiping right? And of course, those already clearing live in moms basement with no friends aside from their +10 Axe, so their time isn't as valuable... right?...

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Except when learning to drive, you do read quite a bit on it, and maybe watch a few videos and see other people doing it all prior to doing it yourself, the same applies here. I can't tell you the amount reading a guide, and then watching a video has helped me understand a fight whereas I'd have no clue what to do.

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When I learned to drive there were no videos. You got the book from the DMV, the manual that came with the car, and your parent or other teacher lecturing you, step by step from the passenger seat.

And you popped the clutch. Repeatedly. *shakefist*

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

So, since they don't have the time, is it ok for them to waste others? Maybe ones who just barely have the time? Maybe the ones kicking don't have the time either?

It always seems to be about the time of those who don't care to watch videos, or anything, they are two busy. I mean a ten minute video is much longer than an hour of wiping right? And of course, those already clearing live in moms basement with no friends aside from their +10 Axe, so their time isn't as valuable... right?...

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First, don't try to put words in my mouth.

Second, there were no specifics about any of that in my post.

And third, typically no. The people who don't take the time to watch the videos that are available, join an FC willing to help teach, or any of that probably has no interest in doing Savage to start with and probably falls into (5). I was simply making generalities to help spark a discussion on ways we can actually improve the community as a whole. I'm sure I'm not the only fool around here who's noticed a severe lack in anybody doing anything. This isn't an argument over whose time is more valuable. If your +10 axe blinds you from seeing that building something will be more beneficial to you than destroying something, then I don't have anything for you.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

Not really. Run selling would just be selling someone a fish. Which is a pretty common thing.

It's also not really exclusive from giving a man a fish or teaching a man to fish.

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riiiiiight.
the most common run selling is letting the buyer die and complete the content with the 7 man seller.
I call BS if you say you'll let the buyers wipe you for more than 3 times.

PS: pony farms are different because they're not buying to pass the content, they're paying for guaranteed pony *if it drops*

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Originally Posted by hagare

riiiiiight.
the most common run selling is letting the buyer die and complete the content with the 7 man seller.
I call BS if you say you'll let the buyers wipe you for more than 3 times.

PS: pony farms are different because they're not buying to pass the content, they're paying for guaranteed pony *if it drops*

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I'm pretty sure you misread my comment. I'm familiar with how sell groups work. I'm just saying that people selling fish doesn't keep anyone else from teaching or giving fish. If you take a sell run out of pf, you just have one less pf listing, it doesn't turn into a learning group, or add other groups. The sell group would just be gone.

So blaming run sells for a lack of learning/clear groups is misplaced.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

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I'm pretty sure you misread my comment. I'm familiar with how sell groups work. I'm just saying that people selling fish doesn't keep anyone else from teaching or giving fish. If you take a sell run out of pf, you just have one less pf listing, it doesn't turn into a learning group, or add other groups. The sell group would just be gone.

So blaming run sells for a lack of learning/clear groups is misplaced.

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of course it's not solely the fault of run selling.
I'm just saying that it's a part of the problem.
It makes people think "why bother learning fights when I can just pay to get carried."
And that in turn makes more people that doesn't want to learn and just wants to get carried. Whether in bought runs or other runs.
It creates a bad attitude and mindset.

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Originally Posted by hagare

of course it's not solely the fault of run selling.
I'm just saying that it's a part of the problem.
It makes people think "why bother learning fights when I can just pay to get carried."
And that in turn makes more people that doesn't want to learn and just wants to get carried. Whether in bought runs or other runs.
It creates a bad attitude and mindset.

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It doesn't create the attitude. At worst it allows it, but the attitude has to already be there for the market to emerge.

Run sells operate on supply and demand like everything else. Their existence is a symptom of demand; they aren't a cause. Demand preceded them.

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Originally Posted by Klamor

First, don't try to put words in my mouth.

Second, there were no specifics about any of that in my post.

And third, typically no. The people who don't take the time to watch the videos that are available, join an FC willing to help teach, or any of that probably has no interest in doing Savage to start with and probably falls into (5). I was simply making generalities to help spark a discussion on ways we can actually improve the community as a whole. I'm sure I'm not the only fool around here who's noticed a severe lack in anybody doing anything. This isn't an argument over whose time is more valuable. If your +10 axe blinds you from seeing that building something will be more beneficial to you than destroying something, then I don't have anything for you.

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They were questions, but yeah, defensiveness is a thing.
Also:

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Originally Posted by Klamor

I was simply making generalities to help spark a discussion on ways we can actually improve the community as a whole.

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1.Makes comment to spark discussion, and gets angry at the first comment to respond.
2 Makes Generalities to spark discussion, and gets angry when response isn't the one he wanted. (hint: Generalities is a very poor method of sparking constructive conversation.)
3.Until the community can get past thinking the player is more important than the team, none of this will change. (hint: there are 8 people in a raid run, if you don't bother to prepare, it means you think your time is more valuable than the other seven peoples.)
4.It doesn't even need to be Savage, I see at least a few people weekly who join Alex NM blind.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

It doesn't create the attitude. At worst it allows it, but the attitude has to already be there for the market to emerge.

Run sells operate on supply and demand like everything else. Their existence is a symptom of demand; they aren't a cause. Demand preceded them.

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It allows and exacerbates.
Even if demand is there, if there is no supply, the people who buy runs are gonna have to change their attitude.
They're gonna either start learning or leave the raid scene.

Which is pretty much how it mostly goes in JP community.
Run selling is frowned upon there.

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Originally Posted by hagare

It allows and amplifies.
Even if demand is there, if there is no supply, the people who buy runs are gonna have to change their attitude.
They're gonna either start learning or leave the raid scene.

Which is pretty much how it mostly goes in JP community.
Run selling is frowned upon there.

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Frowned upon, sure, but are you saying that there is absolutely no success in selling runs on JP servers? I can tell you the majority of the playerbase US and EU side aren't for selling runs either.

But what's really going to stop them? Glaring at them grudgingly?

And on the note of 'amplifies' I have to strongly disagree. It's just like large corporations and their paranoia concerning piracy. Nothing is going to make someone who never had the mind to pirate something suddenly want to do it. If someone does pirate a product, that desire or that urge to do so was already there, merely hidden while acquiring said product wasn't so wholly out of their way.

I gotta say, the last time I tried to say its the community's job to help teach people how to play, I got told off.

Which says something about our players.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Frowned upon, sure, but are you saying that there is absolutely no success in selling runs on JP servers? I can tell you the majority of the playerbase US and EU side aren't for selling runs either.

But what's really going to stop them? Glaring at them grudgingly?

And on the note of 'amplifies' I have to strongly disagree. It's just like large corporations and their paranoia concerning piracy. Nothing is going to make someone who never had the mind to pirate something suddenly want to do it. If someone does pirate a product, that desire or that urge to do so was already there, merely hidden while acquiring said product wasn't so wholly out of their way.

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what to do about it? Eh I don't know. I don't buy runs.
Maybe if the community leans more towards teaching and learning together. You know, like the JP community.
Like I said, it's all about the attitude. If you want the community to change, you gotta change.

Nothing is going to make someone who never had the mind to pirate something suddenly want to do it.

well duh. You can't amplify zero.

read what I wrote again:

Even if demand is there, if there is no supply, the people who buy runs are gonna have to change their attitude.
They're gonna either start learning or leave the raid scene.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

I gotta say, the last time I tried to say its the community's job to help teach people how to play, I got told off.

Which says something about our players.

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yeah different mentality, different attitude.

It's like a debate I had once.
Survival of the fittest vs Working together.
welp numbers don't lie.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

I gotta say, the last time I tried to say its the community's job to help teach people how to play, I got told off.

Which says something about our players.

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Because it is far from their job.

Does it benefit the community? Yes.

Is it their responsibility? No.

Is it the individual players responsibility to try to improve themselves? No, but much more so than the responsibility of the rest of the community.

The community, at least a good portion seems to have an "everyone must carry me!" attitude.

The bulk of the responsibility for a persons play, comes from that person.

But to your point, who do you think puts out all of those videos and guides that it's no ones responsibility to watch. Members of the "Community" is who.

It is extremely insulting, selfish, entitled and all kinds of words like that to say "You know something I don't, it's your job to help me!", when you should be saying "I don't know this, please teach me." Maybe that is part of the difference in communities?

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It depends on what you mean by "it's the communities job" (I think most video guides are a hobby of the author. It's not their responsibility to release a guide, after all). It's technically the newbies job to look at their tool tips, brainstorm their rotation (Training Dummies) and if one is available, look up a video/written guide. If they expect a random player to come along and teach/tell them what to do, well no (as that usually means the group may wipe or take a little longer than usual on a fight because the newbie either didn't pick up on the mechanics during the fight OR have yet to figure out their rotation).

When I was levelling BLM from 50-60, I slowly adjusted to my new rotation. This was the same case for BRD, DRG and MNK. I even levelled my WHM to 60 (and I don't main healer) and picked up on the most efficient way to heal and DPS (all I did was read the tool tips and used my party as guinea pigs... mostly the tank. We never wiped unless the tank and DPS were hit by the everythings).

There's also some players who will refuse any help whatsoever and stick with a "I play how I want" attitude, which can make a dungeon last a lot longer and cause nothing but grief for 3-7 players (who again, may be trying to help, but are ultimately ignored/insulted). Worse when said player sneaks into a farming party (or even a learning party), expecting a carry... and that's how the "no bonus message" was born in PF.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Because it is far from their job.

Does it benefit the community? Yes.

Is it their responsibility? No.

Is it the individual players responsibility to try to improve themselves? No, but much more so than the responsibility of the rest of the community.

The community, at least a good portion seems to have an "everyone must carry me!" attitude.

The bulk of the responsibility for a persons play, comes from that person.

But to your point, who do you think puts out all of those videos and guides that it's no ones responsibility to watch. Members of the "Community" is who.

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well.... if you want your community to be better.
Then the responsibility is on everyone in that community to be willing to teach and learn.
If we all keep the mentality "it ain't my job, let someone else do it" then yea........
change the "ME! ME! ME!" attitude to "WE! WE! WE!"

Get a job grouch.

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Originally Posted by hagare

It allows and exacerbates.
Even if demand is there, if there is no supply, the people who buy runs are gonna have to change their attitude.
They're gonna either start learning or leave the raid scene.

Which is pretty much how it mostly goes in JP community.
Run selling is frowned upon there.

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When you can make 10 mil per merc from a day of sales, you are going to have a hard time convincing me to pass up selling content. Why should we bother investing in a community that has no interest in our concerns? I say bad players should be met with the apathy and disregard that they begot themselves.

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Originally Posted by zosia

When you can make 10 mil per merc from a day of sales, you are going to have a hard time convincing me to pass up selling content. Why should we bother investing in a community that has no interest in our concerns? I say bad players should be met with the apathy and disregard that they begot themselves.

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welp there it is folks.
the perfect example xD

I say bad players should be met with the apathy and disregard that they begot themselves.

coming from the person who helps create them:

When you can make 10 mil per merc from a day of sales, you are going to have a hard time convincing me to pass up selling content.

Thank you :D

If ppl actually know how to play their job i don't mind if they haven't watched a vid or read a guide, though it is definitaly a bonus. that is for a PUG learning situation. In FC static/pt I expect everyone to at least have a basic idea of what will happen.

if ppl don't know how to tank/heal/damage at endgame, they should stay away and don't waste others time until they improve. it is one thing to struggle with new abilities while you are leveling but at endgame you better know your job. how good that someone can adjust to the situation of the content is another thing, but that is what learning is for.

But most ppl won't improve. They rather quit when given hints or been kick a few times than seek the fault by themself. and then go to the forums and call ppl elitist and toxic...

People still don't get the point.

You can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn.

You can talk all day about whose responsibility it is and all this other BS but if the players have a mindset that prevents them from learning, it's all useless rhetoric.

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I see nothing in your post that could possibly be construed as a comment intended to actually discuss the topic at hand, and instead appears to simply be part of the problem that some would like to see fixed. As I stated before, this isn't an argument over whose time is more valuable. A person who has a couple hours a night to play should use their time in-game as efficiently as one who has 8-12 hours a day to play. If that means they simply don't have time to fit in the video that you state is 10 minutes vs wiping for an hour, then that's the hand they're dealt. It looks like you're trying to connect going in blind to NM Alexander, which is almost faceroll at this point, to doing the same in Savage, which would result in hours of wiping. The two are separate. I believe it's this exact state of mind that is the basis for why we have this rhetoric of "No exp? Git Gud" but can't "Git Gud" because they can't get experience.

If all you're trying to do is attack, please move along.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

It is extremely insulting, selfish, entitled and all kinds of words like that to say "You know something I don't, it's your job to help me!", when you should be saying "I don't know this, please teach me." Maybe that is part of the difference in communities?

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I'll agree with this one. This doesn't depend on, nor change because of, the content being done. It should be incumbent upon the newcomer to introduce themselves as being new, and asking for assistance. I've seen threads before, and seen it personally in game where blind runners will enter and cause a wipe, then ask why nobody told them to look out for the mechanic in question. The only response being the question of why they didn't ask for help at the beginning.

Leveling Gameplay:
- Content is easily soloed.
- Content is based around going into instances.
- Using Duty Finder doing dungeons, never having to speak to another person.

Endgame:
- Very easy to ramp up in power.
- No penalty for losing.
- No lose of progress for losing. You can try again and again. No lockouts for losing.
- Barely any reward or progression of your character.
- Very little difference between you and other players if any.

All dungeons are instanced, none are open world. Since you never need to talk to anyone it affects how you think late game. You never made any friends or allies leveling up. Even helping someone gets you no help.

Since there is no real penalty for dying, death is more of an annoyance then anything else. This means players do not seek other players for help, or help other players. Thus they never learn.

NA Culture usually follows what the game flows and teaches them. The game, literally teaches you to be completely anti-social and ignore everyone else, which goes to endgame.


Suggestions:
- Put a long lockout for hard content. This means if you give up and leave the zone you get punished for it, this also makes it harder to "buy" runs.
- Increase the penalty for losing substancially. Punish players for throwing their face at content, this also makes it harder to "buy" runs.
- Make open world in many areas harder. Put open world bosses that do mechanics of hard content in the world for people to party up and attempt. This lets people learn how fights are endgame. The rewards can give them a bonus for leveling that tier. (Example: Permanent 50% Experience bonus 50-60 for killing a level 50 world boss. Permanent 50% experience bonus 40-50 for killing a level 40 world boss.)
- Increase rewards for doing hard things.
- Increase experience gain dramatically from the open world.
- Make "Fates" a lot harder, but with far greater rewards and less frequent. Add an environment penalty for losing a fate. (You lost a fate, city is taken over and Aetheryte Crystal NO longer works there until it is taken back.)
- Increase gear adding special effects to the hardest to acquire gear. (Give Equipment special abilities, maybe even things like "Cursed" items which cannot be unequipped, start off very weak as a weapon and gets stronger and stronger each kill.)


This would make people better at endgame. Now the game teaches you to be social, and since the world is dangerous your actually seeking help from others.