So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Reliably obtaining hq mats requires high end gathering gear.

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Lets not forget that they're just side-stepping the real issue.

We know the path they took with the 2.0 series of updates. Given how they implemented level 50-60 crafting/gathering compared to 1-50, it's very likely that even worse is to come. DoM and DoW don't have to spend millions on overmelds to be functional, yet DoH and DoL are. Again, this is solely there to drive prices up and drive players away from these activities to keep supply low.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Reliably obtaining hq mats requires high end gathering gear.

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thats the same with crafting. If you want stuff reliably -> overmeld. If you have time to spend on gathering you will eventually gather enough HQ mats, even if you dont gather enough HQ mats, most of the gathered stuff needs you to craft it into other mats first, so use NQ gathered stuff to craft into HQ mats (sell the NQ ones while you try crafting HQ ones) for your real craft.
The gear required for this process is easily obtainable for everyone, but its time consuming since you have to gather more mats than someone else with overmelds.

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Originally Posted by Ronove

It doesn't take weeks to level a crafting class...

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Have to agree here, I got a fc mate with everything at 60 and he did the push after hitting 60 WHM when we really got into the airship building.

I'm working on getting everything to 15 ATM for cross class skills and managed three last night, plus 41 carpenter this week.

Just afraid of post 50.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

@Psycofang: All i read is "MIMIMI this User wants to destroy "my" monopol i hate him!"

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funny because all im seeing is WHA WHA WHA MIMIMIMIMI in every selfish idiot post of yours.

you KNOW that crafting is a struggle, you KNOW that getting to that point takes time, effort and luck.

you KNOW that it takes alot of money, farming and composition for us crafter to even make what they make in the first place.

you KNOW when we go farming for our mats we are fighting other crafters AND PVE players who are looking to make the same amount of money off said mats...right?

they are farming those skins as well to SELL at MB prices to those who can turn them into leathers, which to SELL or CRAFT into items to try and turn a profit or at least break even to what crafter, gathers AND PVE players are selling items for.

Everyones at fault not just us EVIL crafters, its greedy pve players as well so please hold your garbage. I'm not saying there aren't some greedy crafters out there, i break the mb prices to stop things like that but you need to look at your PVE players and know something;

if a thavnarian silk drops from a map a pve player bought for 100k you will damn well be sure they wont sell it for cheap, they will sell it for 2.6 million gil like everyone else.

guess what? it takes THREE to make a thavnarian bustier, this isnt counting the other rare mats required to make it.

now do the math how can a crafter turn a profit except to sell it for a bit higher than all the mats they possibly bought with their own money.

Considering how hard these mats are to make and btw doesn't matter if its aerchaoris leather or dusk leathers, you have to farm it and the drop rate is ABYSMAL for how many you need per leather, and you need 3 leathers per craft, couple that with say mythrite nuggets which require 5 sands and an ore which are also being sold for very high amounts, then cedar branches, or strength dis-solvents which require fishing and alchemist.



when it drops for other players they don't scale down the price, no they sell it AT MB price until someone else drops it slightly.



you don't even need to level any other craft it that jacket is all you want, burst ltw to 51 and make it.

then end.

all im seeing id you not doing the collective math behind the prices. cry more.

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Originally Posted by ThanMazus

Wow, combative much? I was just stating that undercutters come in and change prices, usually in huge amounts.

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my bad bro he just has me in the mood to bite someone, so its a hard temptation to ignore.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Lets not forget that they're just side-stepping the real issue.

We know the path they took with the 2.0 series of updates. Given how they implemented level 50-60 crafting/gathering compared to 1-50, it's very likely that even worse is to come. DoM and DoW don't have to spend millions on overmelds to be functional, yet DoH and DoL are. Again, this is solely there to drive prices up and drive players away from these activities to keep supply low.

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I think that's just their way of giving crafters/gatherers a grind akin to endgame raiding. Granted, players (well... most) can't really drop millions of gil to ensure they get a drop from their raid to help them better their class, they have to grind it out and for the most part, it keeps them playing. Kinda like maybe the grind with spiritbonding to get the materia to then meld and overmeld to better the gathering/crafting class.

I do agree with you though it is kinda frustrating but I think that's how SE intended it to be. If you could gather/craft everything you wanted with the least amount of work, what keeps you coming back? If it's super easy for you, then it is for everyone else and then prices plummet and then no one cares.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Sorry maybe i wasn't clear enough on the first Post. I had the Materials and over 30 Crafters still wanted to be paid 500-600K Gild just because they had the Receipt and could Craft that Stuff....thats pretty much being a asshole if you ask me. And sorry i misspelled the Word it's called "Monopoly".

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Thats just a plain lie, or youre getting to the completely wrong crafters.

There is always at least 1 Crafter on PF whos offering his services on Moogle and the highest amount of money i saw them charging was 50k for NQ and 100k for HQ. I saw enough ppl who just charged like 20-30k for crafting.

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Originally Posted by Chrolo

Thats just a plain lie, or youre getting to the completely wrong crafters.

There is always at least 1 Crafter on PF whos offering his services on Moogle and the highest amount of money i saw them charging was 50k for NQ and 100k for HQ. I saw enough ppl who just charged like 20-30k for crafting.

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sorry not wiht all this posting, this is just damage control at this point.

rarely will a crafter ask for even 2-300k for an item if a player brings them ALL the mats, if you do that its 10k ill charge you or 2k if im in a good mood or you are nice about it.

ive been playing this game since launch and and have never seen prices that ridiculous even when i wasn't a crafter myself.

I just want to be able to still craft all my junk for myself.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Reliably obtaining hq mats requires high end gathering gear.

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Reliably means 12% instead of 9% on the hardest unspoiled nodes? Lower level stuff caps without melds at 15% for miner/botanist.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

And you think doing this 1-2 times will be enough to pay the Crafting Stuff? Man you are so naive it hurts....i would be "forced" (not really but i hope you get what i mean) to do this for 1-2 MONTH'S to pay for a single damn Gear on the MB.

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So you're upset because you have to work for something? No where did I ever say that any of this would be fast or easy. All of your arguments and counterarguments echo of laziness, pure and simple. Also, please list one piece of gear that is mandatory and requires to be purchased from the MB.

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Lemme correct you. YOU DON'T WANT TO...support. This is the Reality. You simply don't want that. You like "Power Position" you have. Thats completely normal for a Human. If i am King and someone wants to etablish Democracy i too would work towards to silence him.

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Let me correct you. There is a huge difference between supporting someone and giving things away for free. You seem to expect the latter. I have my own reasons for why I've invested so much time into crafting, it's not about any BS preconceived notions you have about holding power. Also, the example you stated is flawed in so many ways, but the most obvious being that in a Monarchy, Democracy, or Dictatorship there is one ruling power. That power is not shared amongst many parties. In order for a crafter to be in the position you so badly want to paint us as being in, each server would have to be able to accommodate only for a few at most. Not like the system that is currently in place, where anyone can be a high-level crafter at any time regardless of how many others there currently are.

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That's a plain Lie and we both know this. But whatever.

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Once again, there is very little difficulty in farming, it just requires time and effort (Seems to be a recurring theme, doesn't it?). Barring that, you can always level up a retainer and have them do it for you. That only requires clicking on a button, so that may be more your style.

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Sorry maybe i wasn't clear enough on the first Post. I had the Materials and over 30 Crafters still wanted to be paid 500-600K Gild just because they had the Receipt and could Craft that Stuff....thats pretty much being a asshole if you ask me.

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If you treat the crafters on your server in the same way that you do on here, I can imagine why they would want such a fee. That aside, you're making a generalization about an entire group based upon a few interactions. Word it however you like, but in the end you're still saying that crafters are bad because they didn't want to make you a piece of glamour gear for the price you felt you should pay. Also, you still haven't answered as to what is preventing you from leveling the craft up and making it yourself.

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And sorry i misspelled the Word it's called "Monopoly".

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Oh a monopoly. You mean one of these:

"MONOPOLY
1: exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action

2: exclusive possession or control

3: a commodity controlled by one party"
Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monopoly

Notice the prevalent use of the word "exclusive" in those definitions? Nothing in FFXIV's crafting system is exclusive to any one player or group of players.

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Yes Crafting is "not easy" and "easy" If i would RMT 20 Mills and go on Crafting it would be jackass easy. I copy the Macros from a Guide and be done with it. The Road to the Max Level is the Stuff thats not easy and it's costly. Or like you said i grind for Weeks doing Ixal Stuff. But until im there where i want to be other Players have already build up such a big Base that you have no Chance of getting a stable "income"

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Again with the laziness. If you don't want to work for it, then you don't deserve it. This is not Final Fantasy XIV: Welfare Reborn. As for making a stable income, there are so many ways to do that without being max lvl or fully melded. You just have to look for them. I'll give you a hint as to one of them: there is often more money to be made in the components than there is in the final product. Especially lower level stuff that a higher-end crafter may not want to bother with making themselves.

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AND THIS. Is the normal Situation for normal PvE Players that are interested in Crafting. And you need the Melds if you want a 100% Chance to Craft the Gear in HQ.

This is the Point thats the most broken Point in XIV Crafting. This B*llsh*t "Chance"-System. If i learned how to build a Chair and have Master degree in building chairs then i dont have the friggin "chance" to build a good chair, i build a good chair every.single.*beeeep*ing.time.

I dont need to buy equipment for millions for building a *Beeeep* chair. This is simplfied yes but still valid.

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Nothing that can be crafted in this game requires millions of gil worth of overmelds to make NQ versions of. Yeah, you might need food or FC buffs to hit the minimum requirements for 3 / 4 star stuff. If you want to have a 100% chance of making a HQ item, you have to work for it (There's that word again).

I hope it means new recipes. The old potions are NOT cutting it.

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Originally Posted by Chrolo

Thats just a plain lie, or youre getting to the completely wrong crafters.

There is always at least 1 Crafter on PF whos offering his services on Moogle and the highest amount of money i saw them charging was 50k for NQ and 100k for HQ. I saw enough ppl who just charged like 20-30k for crafting.

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Well yes with Heavensward out you are right. Before that...nope. Didn't find a single one. Btw right after HW hit i got a Crafter doing it for free! After asking why he said "Well i get exp for that."I can't shake of this Feeling off....ya know "it helps me so its okay...it helps me not so lets charge him on a sum i like".

Whatever you say the entire Crafting System with Supply and everything is obiviously Broken and could reaaaally use some Love.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

What you are really saying here is that you detest people that want to be compensated for the countless hours of work they put in to be able to make said item in the first place. Also I personally don't spike prices, I do price things at a reasonable going rate however. I did raise the price of some glamour prisms one time because people were for some reason buying them faster than I could even make them. Even then it wasn't anything outrageous.

I fail to see why people never take into account the time and effort that crafters/gatherers spend to be able to craft items for people. It's not all about material cost (which we don't always control, despite popular belief)

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No only the Players who OVERcharge. And because it's a economy based on the wellfare of crafters you can't do nothing against it.
You think Players will start charging low Prices because no Reason? Dream on. You have to make serious Changes so that they lower the Price. So yeah basically you have to force em or they would hurt themself. Thats Capitalism.

@DejectedBunny:

So you want XIV to be a Second Job? Uhm don't take it personally but last Time i checked XIV was a Game meant to be enjoyed and not a "second Workplace".

Crafting is a big Cornerstone of every Game and no matter how much you argue its not on par with other MMO's. Its outdated overcomplicated Stuff based on RNG and heavily punishs the ones who don't invest a huge amount of Gil. It's not...suitable for the mass. Yeah...not suitable for the mass at all.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Oh wait indeed. Read the opening post again. This game used to be like that when ARR was released. Since then SE has been adding more and more punishing mechanics to hurt players that want to be self-sufficient and force the MB down their throats.

If SE is so obsessed with keeping MB prices up I want them to give players like me a parallel system where we can gather and craft untradable versions of the same items while bypassing all the grindy mechanics that are solely in place to keep MB prices up and to push players out of crafting and gathering.

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I've been playing this game (and crafting / gathering) since closed beta, so I'm very familiar with the changes that have been made over time. There's always going to be a work to reward ratio for optional activities in this game. Whether or not that ratio is fair is entirely subjective and beholden in the eyes of each player. Bottom line, if you don't feel it's worth it, then don't do it. Nothing required to do content in this game needs to be crafted. Also, SE has nothing to do with MB prices. This is a player-driven economy. SE doesn't care if things are being sold for 1 gil or a million gil. The players are left to set the prices based upon perceived value and what the consumers are willing to pay.

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Originally Posted by Dejectedbunny

The players are left to set the prices based upon perceived value and what the consumers are willing to pay.

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Rather what you force em to cough up or piss off...

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Rather what you force em to cough up or piss off...

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Thats how an economy works. We're not here to shit out free equipment for everyone. If you want free stuff ask a friend or FC

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Originally Posted by Chrolo

Thats how an economy works. We're not here to shit out free equipment for everyone. If you want free stuff ask a friend or FC

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And this is why many Players hate you (not you personally i mean crafters) and react with negative Behaviour against Crafters :) And why PvE Players try to actively kill off Mobs before you and take away your Money for Materials.

Because you exploit the Position given to you to the most. And this is why i say this System has to Die. It's a Spiral if Self-Entitlment on both Sides.

Oh and btw. nobody said you should shit it out for free. Everything i read here in the Forum are calls to ease up the Crafting System and make the Price reasonable. But there are Players (not pointing in any direction) who don't want that. And these are the ones I hate.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

And this is why many Players hate you (not you personally i mean crafters) and react with negative Behaviour against Crafters :)

Because you use the Position earned by you to the most.

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Fixed that for you, you keep asking people to invest time and effort for basically no reward. I'm really at a loss as your hatred for crafters.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Fixed that for you, you keep asking people to invest time and effort for basically no reward. I'm really at a loss as your hatred for crafters.

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You didn't "earn" it Wobi. You just used the Time while it was easy. Now it's way harder and punishing. And you are just blatantly ignoring that. But please go on on your naive Trip of "i eaaaaaaaaaaarned iiiiiiit" Man....poor girl/dude.

I do not understand the OPs complaint. SE isn't the one making market board prices high its the players. Because everyone is trying to level their crafts while fewer people want to go out and gather or farm for monster drops. Demand outpaces supply and therefor high prices.

You don't want to pay high prices for base components then go out and gather or farm mobs yourself. Once the rush to level crafts to 60 is over the prices will ofcorse fall to much lower levels.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Oh and btw. nobody said you should shit it out for free. Everything i read here in the Forum are calls to ease up the Crafting System and make the Price reasonable. But there are Players (not pointing in any direction) who don't want that. And these are the ones I hate.

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If you want crafted stuff to be cheap, flood the market board with cheap materials. There's your solution, so get to farming.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

If you want crafted stuff to be cheap, flood the market board with cheap materials. There's your solution, so get to farming.

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If we had the means to i will do it gladly.But we don't. The Droprates are horrible. And this spirals up to the Prices. Man why i am saying the same Stuff all the Time again you won't listen anway.....Crafters...*shakes head*

You wont even step back from you side of view a second (Not you personally) just chanting "they are lazy they deserve it" all the time.

The real question is why this is been done on a Thursday and not combined with savage....we had enough server downtime already.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

If we had the means to i will do it gladly.But we don't. The Droprates are horrible. And this spirals up to the Prices. Man why i am saying the same Stuff all the Time again you won't listen anway.....Crafters...*shakes head*

You wont even step back from you side of view a second (Not you personally) just chanting "they are lazy they deserve it" all the time.

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What level are your retainers?

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Hunting_Exploration

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Originally Posted by Hypie

And this is why many Players hate you (not you personally i mean crafters) and react with negative Behaviour against Crafters :)

Because you exploit the Position given to you to the most. And this is why i say this System has to Die.

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The position you're talking about is achieveable by everyone, by putting the right amount of time and effort into it. We didnt pop into the game and got all our crafting classes miraculously at 60 with melded gear.
We worked for it and its our right to charge money for our work. Also people are willing to pay for it, otherwise we wouldnt be selling high. If demand drops -> prices go down, easy as that.
Blame your fellow players for buying our stuff or blame yourself for having no money, but dont blame us for trying to earn money.

Also youre the only guy i know who has a negative behaviour towards us crafter :P
Usually we are hating on each other for untercutting

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Fixed that for you, you keep asking people to invest time and effort for basically no reward. I'm really at a loss as your hatred for crafters.

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No, I think what I'm reading is "ease up on the requirements so it's more accessible to more people thus driving up the supply and crashing the prices".

Getting rid of overmelds is a good start. No one should ever have to cough up millions for gear. The only reason it costs that much is because you have to buy dozens of materia because of failed melds.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

And this is why many Players hate you (not you personally i mean crafters) and react with negative Behaviour against Crafters :) And why PvE Players try to actively kill off Mobs before you and take away your Money for Materials.

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This is a silly thing to do, crafters use their retainers.

You should too. Use your retainers and get stuff that sells well.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

You didn't "earn" it Wobi. You just used the Time while it was easy. Now it's way harder and punishing. And you are just blatantly ignoring that. But please go on on your naive Trip of "i eaaaaaaaaaaarned iiiiiiit" Man....poor girl/dude.

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The time while it was easy? ok, so at the start of the server when supply of crafting mats were low as fuck and raw mat prices high as fuck, was the easy time to level up a craft. And now when crafting mats are way cheaper to buy its harder to level up? Seems legit

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Originally Posted by Hypie

You didn't "earn" it Wobi. You just used the Time while it was easy. Now it's way harder and punishing. And you are just blatantly ignoring that. But please go on on your naive Trip of "i eaaaaaaaaaaarned iiiiiiit" Man....poor girl/dude.

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Except we did earn it, just like every level of anything you have done. You spent time/money/etc on it and came out with an end result. Did you also tell people with relics they didn't "earn" them? What about your 60 dark knight? I presume you just logged in and it was 60 and fully geared? I for one would argue that you earned those levels.
People need to quit acting entitled to things that they don't want to put in effort to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Except we did earn it, just like every level of anything you have done. You spent time/money/etc on it and came out with an end result. Did you also tell people with relics they didn't "earn" them? What about your 60 dark knight? I presume you just logged in and it was 60 and fully geared? I for one would argue that you earned those levels.
People need to quit acting entitled to things that they don't want to put in effort to obtain.

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See, I have no problem with putting in effort.

I have a problem with putting in the gigantic amounts of money that you can only seem to make from crafting.

I started the game about 2 months ago. I don't have the mountains upon mountains of gil that others have.
That's why I'm annoyed with it.

Gee, I sure wish I could make money doing other things, like monster slaying! =D

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

It'd be really interesting to see how many players at the end of 2.5 with level 50 DoH and DoL had their corresponding Lucis or even Supra.

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Like with the relic and zodiac weapons, those tools are now only usefull for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

No, I think what I'm reading is "ease up on the requirements so it's more accessible to more people thus driving up the supply and crashing the prices".

Getting rid of overmelds is a good start. No one should ever have to cough up millions for gear. The only reason it costs that much is because you have to buy dozens of materia because of failed melds.

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Go to the shop NPC at the moogle village, buy some (maybe 2) ilevel 100 crafting gear, spiritbound it in the open world (western Coerthas, not northern Thanalan), in the last 3 2.5 dungeons, in World of Darkness or in Dusk Vigil.
It is easy to get crafting materia without buying it.

You can also send your DoL retainer to a 18 hour field exploration X to get a chance on a gathering/crafting materia III without the need to get crafting gear for spiritbounding.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

See, I have no problem with putting in effort.

I have a problem with putting in the gigantic amounts of money that you can only seem to make from crafting.

I started the game about 2 months ago. I don't have the mountains upon mountains of gil that others have.
That's why I'm annoyed with it.

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Dude I am leveling up my crafts now and they basically cost nothing to level. For example you buy rainbow cotton boll and cotton boll to make rainbow thread then take that thread and turn it into cloth. You then sell the cloth back on the market boards you just made a profit all your gil back and then some. Crafting really doesn't cost anything to level just time.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

See, I have no problem with putting in effort.

I have a problem with putting in the gigantic amounts of money that you can only seem to make from crafting.

I started the game about 2 months ago. I don't have the mountains upon mountains of gil that others have.
That's why I'm annoyed with it.

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SE is giving you an alternative with Scrip gear. It might not be as good as overmelded stuff but its good enough to HQ everything we have right now as long you use some HQ mats and a good rotation.

Alright. I just wanted to put this out there:

I have made over 50 million gil through the marketboard this expansion without selling a single crafted or gathered item. With it, I have single-handedly bought my FC's new Large House and have begun furnishing it, have leveled my crafts some by buying the cheaper materials, and whatever else I damned well pleased with my cash.

I have not sold runs, or anything of the sort. I didn't even buy and resell items on the MB for a markup.

I made 50 mil this expansion through the marketboards without using my DoL or DoH and without spending more than 30 minutes a day actively preparing my supply and sales. That is, I spent an average of 30 minutes every day since early access preparing my sales, which has netted me this amount of profit.

To all of you complaining about these prices: what's your excuse, now? If I can do all this, then so can you. You have no leg to stand on.

THAT SAID, I do agree with one thing here: Overmelds shouldn't be required to 100% items 100% of the time if you have sufficient cross-class skills for DoH classes. Overmelds should definitely never be required to meet the stat requirements needed to even start an attempt at crafting any of the upcoming 60* items, like they were for the level 50*, 50**, 50*** (etc.) stuff. I stopped bothering with crafting once overmelds became a requirement at 50, and I will do the same at 60 if overmelds continue to be a requirement.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Gee, I sure wish I could make money doing other things, like monster slaying! =D

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Maps. Maps will get you very very useful things to sell.

Stop crying people. There are plenty of ways to get materials. It isn't hard to level a BTN/MNR/FSH, or any craft for that matter. Got those leves use them. Got those retainers leveled up, use them. I send my retainers out. Need skin and yaks milk or w/e.

Want those Mythrite Nuggets? BSM/GSM/ARM can make them at level 50, takes 5 sands and a mythril ore. A level 50 MNR can got that in no time.

So no there is nothing wrong with crafting or gathering. It's called STOP BEING LAZY! I can farm like 99 stacks of mythrite sand in like 10mins. I can either make my own nuggets or I can sell the sands.


And to the OP. You have level 54 of everything what is the problem, got to actually do some work this time around and not buy everything dirt cheap.

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Originally Posted by Vandril

THAT SAID, I do agree with one thing here: Overmelds shouldn't be required to 100% items 100% of the time if you have sufficient cross-class skills for DoH classes. Overmelds should definitely never be required to meet the stat requirements needed to even start an attempt at crafting any of the upcoming 60* items, like they were for the level 50*, 50**, 50*** (etc.) stuff. I stopped bothering with crafting once overmelds became a requirement at 50, and I will do the same at 60 if overmelds continue to be a requirement.

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I agree on this one, overmelds should only be necessary if you want to HQ with NQ mats, so you spend money to save money later on by only having to by NQ mats.

I personally hope that on Thursday that SE does something to burst these crafter's bubbles. Like make the market go cheap again so that these crafting people can stop whining. So what people don't level craft no reason to make the market get so high that its ridiculous to buy things off the market board. Crafters need to stop being so greedy.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

I personally hope that on Thursday that SE does something to burst these crafter's bubbles. Like make the market go cheap again so that these crafting people can stop whining. So what people don't level craft no reason to make the market get so high that its ridiculous to buy things off the market board. Crafters need to stop being so greedy.

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You don't need to be a crafter to make millions of Gil. You can make millions of Gil with a DoW/M or a DoL. People just need to stop being lazy.

There really isn't a reason to even be hating on crafters. Do people really need HQ of everything to hit level 60DoW/M? No. Do people need HQ for anything? No! There is nothing that crafters have right now that you really "need" that you can't get from a NPC. You can go by NQ gear from NPC to get you to level 60, you don't even need to buy any gear. Once you hit 60 you can start farming Law, cause atm there is only ilvl160 bodies.

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Oh and before anyone gets smart and says "My BTN/MNR/FSH needs HQ items" you can go farm materials to sell, to cover the cost of your HQ items, cause that's what I did.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

So no there is nothing wrong with crafting or gathering. It's called STOP BEING LAZY! I can farm like 99 stacks of mythrite sand in like 10mins. I can either make my own nuggets or I can sell the sands.

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The problem is the massive imbalance between classes. Yes, mythril nuggets are incredibly easy to farm. I can easily make 2 or 3 stacks of nuggets per hour with no problem. How long does it take to get 2 or 3 stacks of archaeoleather, which is an item equal to mythril nuggets in usage?

3 skins per leather, farmed at a rate of 30-40 per hour manually, 10 per hour from retainer. Let's be generous and say I get 50 skins per hour this way. That's 16 leather per hour. Also factor in that the Coethan Tea Leaves only spawn at 35 minute intervals, but you CAN get 25 of those in one attempt.

So 16 archaeskins in the same time I can make 200 mythril nuggets, cedar lumber, or rainbow thread. See the problem now?