Ishgard Housing Transfer System Unfair

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

The issue arises with the fact that it wasn't this way from the beginning. The players that did buy multiple houses on a server with alts would then pose a problem for SE to have to handle if the system was changed to be in such a way.

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One house per server per account and all characters on that account have access to it? idk

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Originally Posted by Cherie

If someone couldn't afford a house before when they were available, but can now, well so can everyone. That is just because of the flood of gil into the market now because of the expansion. Gil comes from the quests, vendoring items to NPCs, enemy drops, etc.

So yea, if you think you suddenly got rich from doing almost nothing...so did everyone. You are gonna have to fight everyone and their Fat Cat for a house in Ishgard... I really think those houses should be incredibly expensive. We need more gil sinks. There is kind of too much gil in circulation atm.

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Having a short supply on housing making me trade XX milion gil from myself to Mr Guy with four alts that have houses isn't fixing the gil inflation either.

Unlimited instanced housing with decent sized payments and weekly/monthly upkeep fees on the other hand will, because the gil is going to an NPC and not another player.

I'm not entirely sure what exactly is being referred to as "inconvenience" there, tbh.

If it's the thing about sharing your personal house with friends/LS/FC/whatnot... I'm sorry, but I do not think that should be a priority over the fact that about 99% of the players don't even have a shot at housing at all, individual or FC. (Try checking the Community Wall on the Lodestone and see how many new FCs are still being created so often.)

If it's the actual lack of availability of housing as a whole feature for almost the entire playerbase... I find it a little bit offensive to label it an "inconvenience", but hey, at least they're trying to fix it. Hopefully. (Sad thing is, as long as they only think in adding more and more wards, it will never become viable.)

Like I said, no idea what's being referred to as "inconvenience". And that's kinda unfortunate.

/sigh ...

They really need to fix this shortage and not just bandage it with a few more wards. The housing system has to scale.

Get rid of the FC rooms and use the freed up resources to run an instanced house system.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

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it is not the issue of Gil that is affecting Housing system. It is the lack of Housing to meet the demand of the player base.

Some players are even creating alt characters to buy up any new house wards SE releases into the game so they can sell the wards for higher price than the original cost and if players do not buy the housing from them these player leave the housing area alone for a long time never to be used until they can find a player that would pay 2 times, 3 times, or 4 times the amount of price they paid for the House Ward as their means to make Gil.

Even after they sold that house these players would continue to use their alts to buy up any new House Wards to repeat the same process again.

There is currently no safety measures to prevent players from buy up new Housing Wards on alts and selling it for a greater amount of prices to other players.

As of now the Housing system is a game of real estate where rich players with countless multiple alt characters buy up Housing Wards with those alts to sell to other players for a higher price than the original price.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Some players are even creating alt characters to buy up any new house wards SE releases into the game so they can sell the wards for higher price than the original cost and if players do not buy the housing from them these player leave the housing area alone for a long time never to be used until they can find a player that would pay 2 times, 3 times, or 4 times the amount of price they paid for the House Ward as their means to make Gil.

Even after they sold that house these players would continue to use their alts to buy up any new House Wards to repeat the same process again.

There is currently no safety measures to prevent players from buy up new Housing Wards on alts and selling it for a greater amount of prices to other players.

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That said, limiting the houses to one per account I doubt will fix the shortage. Scrapers can't the only cause of the problem. The number of players that want a house greatly out number the number of plots.

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

That said, limiting the houses to one per account I doubt will fix the shortage. Scrapers can't the only cause of the problem. The number of players that want a house greatly out number the number of plots.

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While it won't solve the shortage it will certainly opening up more plots to be used and prevent rich players that already have their own Personal House from trying to take other House Wards from other players that don't have a Personal House.

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Originally Posted by KyteStones

I don't see why if they own a house already why they should get the ability to transfer to new housing if its added. If anything they should be put on a time limit before they can own any ishgard housing until the people who want houses get a chance at them

Discuss.

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Have you considered the idea, that perhaps this is intended to open up plots in the already existing housing areas?

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

The issue arises with the fact that it wasn't this way from the beginning. The players that did buy multiple houses on a server with alts would then pose a problem for SE to have to handle if the system was changed to be in such a way.

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Sometimes a harsh measure is the best one. Simply reducing housing limit to one per account would free up a lot of plots, especially if the ''house sharing'' they were talking about was implemented.


If I got my alt a house I'd be perfectly fine with losing it due to such a measure.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

This. Suck it up or leave. I personally never understood the need to have a house. What for? You can have a room in every damn inn FOR FREE! Yes FC have that neat Workshop, okay thats a good reason. But personal Housing? Oh cmon...you are never there cept the Time feeding your Choc, planting Stuff or afking until the next Queue pops...there are nicer places for that.

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Uhh... I got my house closer to a Marketboard and bell than the Aetherythe at Limsa Lominsa is for extremely speedy access to both, I have 3 differet types of useful vendor NPC's closeby plus a Mender, and gardening has made me millions more gil back than buying the house even cost. :D

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

It is a clear favor to those who already own a house, only allowing current home owners first dibs in Ishgard. Not surprising since housing is one of the most unfair things SE has rolled out thus far.

The only game I've seen where someone can own a home forever without even needing to log in during a certain timeframe to maintain ownership.

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They said nothing about "first dibs". They said transfer system. At no point did they say that those who already own a house would be able to transfer to Ishgard before they go up for sale. That's an unfounded, and quite silly, assumption.

No, current home owners will have just as much chance at new housing in Ishgard as everyone else, but they will be able to transfer their "deed" instead of buying a new one outright.

If square think that resetting everyones gear is justified for the expansion,
then housing should be the same, everyone should have to buy a house at ishgard if they want one.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

It is a clear favor to those who already own a house, only allowing current home owners first dibs in Ishgard. Not surprising since housing is one of the most unfair things SE has rolled out thus far.

The only game I've seen where someone can own a home forever without even needing to log in during a certain timeframe to maintain ownership.

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So, we want to make a bad idea even worse by implementing a way to lose something that may have taken someone over a year playing the game for maybe an hour and a half a day to save up and purchase? There are a ton of people out there with limited off hours who like to play MMORPGs, not just people with 3+ off hours devoted to entirely to playing a single game. Not to mention, not everyone is crafting or gathering to make a ton of gil like some players do.

It was bad enough having to lose 300k gil to a housing room that vanishes when the FC does or the person gets booted from it due to being inactive for a long time. Now we want to take this to housing worth 4 million gil or more?

Wait, who said this would be free?

Easy way to make the transfer system fair, make it so that you purchase the new house in order to make the transfer. Once you put down the capital for the transfer and confirm your purchase of the plot, your previous plot becomes free.

Done deal. Fair for all. I had figured this would be a part of the transfer system from the start, but nooo we can't wait on details can we? We got to jump down the developer's throat before they even have time to mention the idea in full.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

It was bad enough having to lose 300k gil to a housing room that vanishes when the FC does or the person gets booted from it due to being inactive for a long time. Now we want to take this to housing worth 4 million gil or more?

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Maintaining a house for someone who doesn't play or intend to play the game anymore is a BAD IDEA and not the other way around. There is no reason for keeping that house off the market for those who stopped playing. The amount of time someone stops subbing may be a debatable issue but I would suggest that 3 or 4 months is probably a good benchmark to start with.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Uhh... I got my house closer to a Marketboard and bell than the Aetherythe at Limsa Lominsa is for extremely speedy access to both, I have 3 differet types of useful vendor NPC's closeby plus a Mender, and gardening has made me millions more gil back than buying the house even cost. :D

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well for the crafter stuff you can do anything to bleed the others dry. doesnt needs a house you know. fact is housing is a unimportant fluff system. why wasting ressources on it. no matter how many plots they open up you wont stop crying. they should remove the housing system altogether for something other.

Funny no one has mentioned the fact that lots of seasonal events have had housing items you can't even use. What is sad and lots of people expecting is. Housing is a failed system. That they will just continue with the failed system. If they really had planned to fix the system they probably would have discussed it.

Many points have been brought up past and present. Housing falls into the fail inventory system. They have designed themselves into a corner and don't know how to fix it. The disgruntled comments on here and probably what started this thread is the lack of faith in SE of handling any new wards.

the transfer system is something needed not only for Ishgard but for the already existent residential areas as well. That said why should be people/FC that already own a house be punished? Cause you want your house first? No thanks.

If someone transfers they are giving up their existing plot in wherever to move to Ishgard, so another plot will open up.

I wont be transferring, <3 my Beach vista too much! XD

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Originally Posted by Hypie

well for the crafter stuff you can do anything to bleed the others dry. doesnt needs a house you know. fact is housing is a unimportant fluff system. why wasting ressources on it. no matter how many plots they open up you wont stop crying. they should remove the housing system altogether for something other.

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News update: Games are a "unimportant fluff system" unless you are involved in the professional side of it and make a living from it.

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Originally Posted by KyteStones

I don't see why if they own a house already why they should get the ability to transfer to new housing if its added. If anything they should be put on a time limit before they can own any ishgard housing until the people who want houses get a chance at them

Discuss.

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Well, if they transfer then the plot they used to own come up for sale. So either way there is more plots in general.

Truly... we need a real set of personal housing wards that will not stress the server and allow everyone to have one.
FC wards are fine. Putting the personal houses in with them? That was not really optimal.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

While it won't solve the shortage it will certainly opening up more plots to be used and prevent rich players that already have their own Personal House from trying to take other House Wards from other players that don't have a Personal House.

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It's still pretty much just kicking the can down the road though.

If they fix the shortage (instanced housing?) then all the restrictions won't be necessary.

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

It's still pretty much just kicking the can down the road though.

If they fix the shortage (instanced housing?) then all the restrictions won't be necessary.

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Like I said it won't solve the shortage but will open up a lot more House (maybe farm more than opening up new wards)

Instance housing would have been ideal but first they had to figure out how to provide housing without facing their so called Server limits which was why they set up wards since as SE said they don't have the necessary server power to support Instance Housing for the entire community. It is something SE should fix but as of now restrictions are the only SE can perform now to prevent players from having multiple housing for their account.

Housing is already instanced and once they get EU data center out of NA they can't use server stress as an excuse.

You know how you go through a portal to enter the building? Yeah. The interior is instanced.

On top of it, free to play games with large populations can handle it and multiple houses per player to boot.

If a company with as much money as SE makes can't throw more money at servers they need to find cheaper server space. Montreal isn't cheap.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

News update: Games are a "unimportant fluff system" unless you are involved in the professional side of it and make a living from it.

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*Facepalms*

Topic: I find it hilarious how Player say "just buy more servers, if you arent thats lazy and greedy. You suck" You dont know shit but bitch...

Do you have a glimpse of understanding how hard is it to maintain such a grand Server Cluster? How much cooling they need to run for 24/7/365? How much Power? How hard the single bits of equipment are attacked with that constant usage without rest? No you don't. Well from the looks of it you don't care either....

You can't just add more Servers name em "Housing 6 7 8...."boot up the same Structure and be done with it.

You obviously don't know how it works.

They don't own the servers the game runs on. They rent server space from a third party company.

And the US rents out servers iin many cities a hell of a lot cheaper than Quebec does.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

*Facepalms*.

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Did I say anything about adding new servers? Nope, thought not.

The point that flew over your head, I was responding to you saying housing is pointless fluff, The whole game is pointless fluff! But, as you don't enjoy housing they shoulkd remove it? Selfish much? Going on that, they should remove PVP because some dont like it, they should also remove raids, as some dont like that either....... (That was Irony in case you missed the point a second time).

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

If someone transfers they are giving up their existing plot in wherever to move to Ishgard, so another plot will open up.

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I for one am all in favor of a transfer system for exactly this reason. I would love a house in the Lavender Beds.

I have a lovely house in the Lavender Beds. I doubt that Ishgard will be very attractive - too cold, severe stone architecture, not to mention dragon pests.

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Originally Posted by KyteStones

I don't see why if they own a house already why they should get the ability to transfer to new housing if its added. If anything they should be put on a time limit before they can own any ishgard housing until the people who want houses get a chance at them

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I don't see why you think you deserve a house.

Cool stuff is for those who work for it.

I may not own a home, nor do I want one that badly, would it be nice yes, but I am content with my FC room. This transfer is probably more for the people who just stick with their FC rooms not to lose everything if their FC decides to move to Ishgard when they are not present. So it is less about people who want houses being screwed but those untold number of us with fully furnished FC rooms being bent over.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I have a lovely house in the Lavender Beds. I doubt that Ishgard will be very attractive - too cold, severe stone architecture, not to mention dragon pests.

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That is why you buy Ishgardian Dragon Spray.

Only 1999 Gil. :p

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Originally Posted by Hypie

well for the crafter stuff you can do anything to bleed the others dry. doesnt needs a house you know. fact is housing is a unimportant fluff system. why wasting ressources on it. no matter how many plots they open up you wont stop crying. they should remove the housing system altogether for something other.

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I'm sure people would stop crying if everyone could buy a plot. Also, newsflash: Everything in the entire game is unimportant fluff.

Don't know where your random comment came from anyway, I thought my post made it clear that I'm super happy with my house. Saves me time and makes me money. What could be better than that? ^.^

I can't imagine Ishgard would have more land capacity than the other 3 areas combined, and they can't have more people who own houses than there is capacity in Ishgard tearing down their houses and rushing to get a plot and then some of them demolish their house only to get to Ishgard and none is available. I have a feeling the plots when they go on sale would be available to everyone to purchase... and then if you have a house elsewhere, you can do a transfer and if not, then you can build one. So I don't think it's as big of a deal as people make it out to be, and the ability to purchase a house in Ishgard will probably be the same whether you own a house already or not.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

even if there wasn't a transfer system most people who really want to move would just abandon the house and move anyways

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And that would be fine. Because then they actually have to abandon their old plots in a hurry (or risk losing out on available Ishgard spots), rather than sitting on them and trying to sell the rights for a would-be buyer to be present when the land is relinquished (thus forcing the new owner to pay for the same house twice - once to the server, and once (for an obscene amount of money) to the old renter).

As long as having a house in ishgard doesn't net some sort of bonus, like a new feature or w/e, I couldn't care less, I'm happy with my house in Lavender beds, never liked snowy areas anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Um. It kinda seems like you missed the part where they'd be adding more housing...

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Maybe you kinda missed thepart where Yoshi's affordable housing for all became a perk limited to 1% of the player base. Even if you adda newhousing location and double the number of wards it will still be horribly limited and smug peoplewill c0ntinue to be smug.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

So...adding an entire new housing area with all new wards...ISN'T fixing the housing shortage?

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Basic math should show you how limited this 'solution' is.

I don't care about a personal house but FC houses are not purely aesthetic. They get airships, craft bonuses, chocobo stables ect. Sure people might want to move to Ishgard but so do many others who can't even have a house because there isn't enough plots.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Did I say anything about adding new servers? Nope, thought not.

The point that flew over your head, I was responding to you saying housing is pointless fluff, The whole game is pointless fluff! But, as you don't enjoy housing they shoulkd remove it? Selfish much? Going on that, they should remove PVP because some dont like it, they should also remove raids, as some dont like that either....... (That was Irony in case you missed the point a second time).

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It's not like they should remove it because i dont enjoy it...everyone for themself. It causes too much grief and hate between players who have and these who don't. This is why i think they should remove it.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

I can't imagine Ishgard would have more land capacity than the other 3 areas combined, and they can't have more people who own houses than there is capacity in Ishgard tearing down their houses and rushing to get a plot and then some of them demolish their house only to get to Ishgard and none is available. I have a feeling the plots when they go on sale would be available to everyone to purchase... and then if you have a house elsewhere, you can do a transfer and if not, then you can build one. So I don't think it's as big of a deal as people make it out to be, and the ability to purchase a house in Ishgard will probably be the same whether you own a house already or not.

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The pillars areas are pretty small, but the foundation is massive. I think we have only seen like 5%-10% of it.