Brd/Mch was fixed, will BLM be fixed?

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I have to agree about the mobility issue. A lot of the fights are not BLM friendly at all because you start casting, and midcast have to move (thus interrupting your spell). Leylines does help, but it's fixed in whichever spot you place it. God forbid other BLMs have the crap luck I've had leveling and place their LL, and instantly become an AOE magnet. xD (No, that's not a real issue. Just a major coincidence for me.)

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I wonder if I can get my FC to help me with experimenting with this...

My experience has been that if I drop Ley Lines the random ground AoEs WILL target me. Circular ones will land precisely on top of my Ley Lines. Column charges will land precisely on top of me. I do stand at the edge of mine but it seems I am always the player with stuff dropped on them, even if there are other ranged. It's probably confirmation bias or something but it FEELS like AoEs like Ley Lines more than mere coincidence should allow.

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Originally Posted by Remus

At least you didn't get a clone skill... *cough* Wheeling Thrust/Fang and Claw *cough* While keeping up Blood of the Dragon which can fall of due to mechanics and have to wait for a minute maybe. BLM are fine and BLMs i know who are in statics and raid say its fine.

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The old raids of course it's fine. As a BLM you have little to no movement. For the newer content it's dodge city as a caster. It's def not fine. It's not horrible, but it's not fine.

If at all some small changes to enochian would be ideal.
Perhaps extend the timer of AF like someone had mentioned.
Certain mechanics seem to have enochian drop off early or i should say pre maturely. Having to recast fire again when you just did previously in order to use FireIV once more is a tad annoying.
Mana ticks, is still about timing and i do find it to be about the same or close anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Nanwaro

And if you dare taking damage for the sake of your rotation, beware of the angry healer...

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As one of those healers, yeah I do get annoyed. In old content it's fine, but the current content hits just hard enough to where it can cause some major issues. Damage snowballs fast in the new dungeons, especially Alexander.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I wonder if I can get my FC to help me with experimenting with this...

My experience has been that if I drop Ley Lines the random ground AoEs WILL target me. Circular ones will land precisely on top of my Ley Lines. Column charges will land precisely on top of me. I do stand at the edge of mine but it seems I am always the player with stuff dropped on them, even if there are other ranged. It's probably confirmation bias or something but it FEELS like AoEs like Ley Lines more than mere coincidence should allow.

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Perhaps Leylines was truly implemented as a means of baiting AoEs. xD Think of all the uses! lol

The content is no longer 100% punching bag BLM friendly, this is a good thing. BLM is fine, you just need to

http://i.imgur.com/o8LJ8zW.png

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

really? and Neverreap is friendly to BLMs? i don't know how anyone can get through Enochain without completely flipping on out on the last boss of Neverreap.

they even removed the best part about Manawall.

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We've all got our problems.

Try keeping GL up on the 2nd Neverreap boss when you have to stop attacking and move totems every few seconds. Try reliably getting your positionals off when bosses turn to AoE people constantly. These are things that affect melee dps specifically.

Some jobs by design are going to be more resistant to certain mechanics impacting dps. There's no way around it, no point in complaining about it. If it bugs you that much, play a more resistant job.

You're overthinking it. Most players know when mechanics will impact your dps as the job you play, and only someone ignorant will fault you for it.

Scathe doesn't exist
Swiftcast doesn't exist
The fact that you cane move way before your cast finishes doesn't exist
Spell speed doesn't exist
Your skill doesn't exist

Yeah and each dodge will at minimum require a Sutter cast if you are lucky or a full on drop if your enochian saver is down due to other mechanics.

The fact that we can't even use our own DoT regularly or fluidly points to this issue of time. Using TC proc mid rotation is dps death sentence since youll either not fire 4.

It gets worse as the enochian timer gets shorter you have less and less to to attempt to use any damage control after a dodge.

During the worst periods are between reset 1-2 where if by any reason enochian falls (like players for god knows why...STACKING ON YOU despite you repeatedly moving away from them and they draw aoes/mechanics to you) you are for 15-25 seconds doing terrible dps.

No one is asking for more damage, no one is asking for a simplified rotation, pull your heads out your ass and realize we are asking for time.
Not damage
Not easy rotation
Time to fix situation caused by any number of X factors which could result in a near 50% dps loss.

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

No one is asking for more damage, no one is asking for a simplified rotation, pull your heads out your ass and realize we are asking for time.
Not damage
Not easy rotation
Time to fix situation caused by any number of X factors which could result in a near 50% dps loss.

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I'm a new player and this is my first time experiencing actual endgame content in FFXIV (in ARR my "endgame" was finishing the MSQ before Heavensward). That means it's the first time I've had to invest real effort into the game. I'm getting better as I go (unless I'm with my FC, I play like a complete moron around them for some reason) but I still have a lot to learn. Were it just me having trouble with the new rotation I'd say it was because I'm a noob but I've spoken to some extremely experienced and skilled BLMs who are still frustrated by our rotation.

Putting aside dps and issues of skill, the new rotation just isn't fun. It is stressful at worst and annoying at best.

As a BLM main, I feel the pain of my fellow BLMs (Neverreap... *shutter*). With that in mind, I'd only like 1 change. Kill the interrupt of Fire IV/Bliz IV if Enochian ends. Just let the spell finish. That alone will be a lifesaver for me and, I'm sure, a lot of other BLM.

As far as the rotation, you only need to refresh Eco 2x before you can recast it again. That's not a big deal to me as that's when I usually recast LL if its up and/or any Thundercloud procs I have. Just don't recast while the previous buff is still up! Bad things will happen.

But the true heart of the matter is, is complaining on a general message board really going to do anything? Is there somewhere else we can provide constructive criticism that the devs will actually see?

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Originally Posted by NozomiKei

We do need some minor adjustments. Even something as tiny as adding 2 or 3 seconds to the duration of astral fire would make our lives more bearable playing this great class.

Currently SE is pumping all of the fights full of AOEs which demand (as they always have) that we dodge; the problem is that we have become even more immobile with our new rotation. Before, we could fit in movement and not really lose much if any dps, now if we have to move once (or twelve forbid twice) then our rotation falls apart and we either drop enochian resulting in something like a 40% drop in dps or we miss out on crucial Fire VI casts. The number of things that can cause our rotation to collapse are many.

For those saying things are fine, I have to question how good you are. Anyone can derp through the rotation to a degree, but actually maximizing your damage is now extremely difficult in the field.

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Don't ya love how they gave AST's Lightspeed.. the very ability that would make BLMs not suffer a 100% dps lose during movement? -_-

Lightspeed + being able ot hold 2 charges of Firestarter (to prevent the damn double proc loss) would make BLMs much more stable.

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

BLMs need fixing...?


w-wha.. O_O;

you probably think "OMG TOO MANY NEW BUFFS/SPELLS PLS I NEED IT SIMPLE"


yeaaaaaaaaaaahno.

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What a useful and constructive post. All you people saying "BLM is fine" need to stop pretending to be tough guys. There ARE issues with the job that can very EASILY BE FIXED. These are quality of life issues, the job is overly punishing for movement and interruptions. Movement used to be just an inconvenience and a challenge, now it's extremely punishing.

-A current cast of F4 and B4 are cancelled if Enochian falls off (costing several seconds of zero dps aka punishing)
-F1 costs more MP than F4, meaning if you have to move, you have to cast F1 to keep up AF3, costing more MP and removing a F4 from the rotation (punishing dps)
-Thundercloud procs are very often wasted, as there is not enough time in the enochian rotation
-Firestarter procs are often wasted, not enough time in enochian rotation

These can all be fixed with this:

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Originally Posted by KyteStones

You should check out the DPS Class Section and not the General Discussion section. There you will find a ton of thread about QoL changes for the BLM. There's a ton that can be done in order to make the class more efficient with out making it OP.

-extending the timer for Umbral Ice and Astral Fire would greatly fix some issues.
-Allowing us to finish our cast of Blizzard 4/Fire 4 if we are mid cast when Enochian or Umbral Ice/Astral Fire falls off instead of just cancelling the cast all together.

That's pretty much it. Would completely fix the class. No damage buffs needed. No other things to be changed. Just 2 simple things.

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For the several people dissing my skills and telling me to L2P. I raid at the highest level on BLM (T13 farm pre-echo), always have, and can easily maintain 900-1100 dps on current encounters. I play the class well, and I can admit the downfalls of the job. You people really need to grow up and be constructive.

Psycofang and Darxer nailed it on the head. Our damage per spell is fine. Nobody is asking for Fire/Blizzard to have increased damage. We need a bit of fine tuning to accommodate for dodging. Personally, I'm with KyteStones. An increase in Astral Fire/Umbral Ice time would solve many of the current QoL issues.

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Originally Posted by Darxer

For the several people dissing my skills and telling me to L2P. I raid at the highest level on BLM (T13 farm pre-echo), always have, and can easily maintain 900-1100 dps on current encounters. I play the class well, and I can admit the downfalls of the job. You people really need to grow up and be constructive.

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Yet you whine and complain in this thread about encounters because the new ones require you to move and pay attention a lot more. You could always betray to MCH or Bard.

I would just make Surecast not interrupt you like it says it should. Which would make it not interrupt casting when you move.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

I don't have BLM60 [...] Everytime there's a phase shift and about half the time that a boss's AOE forces me out of attack range, my BotD drops and I can wave goodbye to about 10% of my damage output. I'd suggest that instead of complaining about how "hard" your job is, you learn to do it better and maximize what you can do given the restrictions of the fight you're in.These things are called "mechanics," and it's your job to learn to deal with them: not SE's job to make it easier for you.

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Pretty much invalidated your own post from the start...

Well we lose about 40% of our dps, so yeah.

What do you think that we just hit 60 said "Oh no this is too hard, Waaaaa!" and then stopped playing the job? We are "maximizing what we can do given the restrictions of the fight we're in" and dealing with it. It actually is SE's job to handle aspects of this game like balancing.

And moving on past your post. Before 60 I was extremely good at avoiding taking unnecessary damage so it kills me now that I occasionally just have to take a hit to the face in the name of Enochian. I do my best to warn my healer when I'm on ts with them so they aren't blindsided by the dps' health dropping to 20%, but I can't do much for pugs. : (

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

As main Blm,I don't think we need any fixed.With all these new skills we can add a lot of tricks into our basic rotation,Just be creative about using skills , Know when to move , Know when not to move.Blm/Smn are Artist of the battlefield after all.

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^ This.

I have Baha-buff on, I am targeted by massive AOE of doom... move and lose DPS or take the hit while praying to the Twelve?

I move, of course.

One thing that occurred to me that non BLMs may not realize: Blizzard IV and Fire IV do NOT give you stacks of Astral Fire/Umbral Ice.

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Originally Posted by Neuflune

^ This.

I have Baha-buff on, I am targeted by massive AOE of doom... move and lose DPS or take the hit while praying to the Twelve?

I move, of course.

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So why would you be against having a more forgiving timer and more room to act outside?

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Yet you whine and complain in this thread about encounters because the new ones require you to move and pay attention a lot more. You could always betray to MCH or Bard.

I would just make Surecast not interrupt you like it says it should. Which would make it not interrupt casting when you move.

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Please point out where I whined about an encounter. I didn't. I'm posting here to improve the job. I'm trying to help the job. I'm not here to argue like you are. Be constructive or leave.

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Originally Posted by Darxer

Please point out where I whined about an encounter. I didn't. I'm posting here to improve the job. I'm trying to help the job. I'm not here to argue like you are. Be constructive or leave.

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I already was constructive. Unless you ignored my feedback for Surecast, which you seemed to.

The new zones require a ton more movement then the older ones, which is why I feel like you are making these threads.

I wouldn't mind however, a buff that lowered all base damage by 30% and allowed you to move and cast.

Hmm... there's an idea...

Reduce all potencies by 20%.
Change the lvl 20 trait to +20% damage, and the level 40 trait to the following.
Increases the damage of all abilities by 25% after NOT MOVING for 0.5 seconds. Movement will not interrupt casting.

So we take our potency, lets say 1, reduce it by 20% = 0.8, and if we are literally not moving at this time, 0.8*1.25 = 1.
So when we turret we do full damage. OR we can move while casting, but do 80% of our normal damage until we stop again.

Actually, dont make this a trait... make it a buff...
Remove Scathe and make a buff called "Collected Under Fire".
Reduces damage by 20%, increases damage by 25% if you have not moved in the past 0.5 sec. Enables casting while moving.

BLM fixed!

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

Hmm... there's an idea...

Reduce all potencies by 20%.
Change the lvl 20 trait to +20% damage, and the level 40 trait to the following.
Increases the damage of all abilities by 25% after NOT MOVING for 0.5 seconds. Movement will not interrupt casting.

So we take our potency, lets say 1, reduce it by 20% = 0.8, and if we are literally not moving at this time, 0.8*1.25 = 1.
So when we turret we do full damage. OR we can move while casting, but do 80% of our normal damage until we stop again.

Actually

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It should be like Cleric Stance, cast on, cast off. That seems way too lazy to me, and other classes actually have to turn off and on their stuff.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

So why would you be against having a more forgiving timer and more room to act outside?

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I'm not against it (where did I say that I was?) I'm not BLM, I can't comment on what your job needs/wants, that's Kahnom's call.

SMN has had its own issues, for example the MP issue for T13. Some complained about having to move a lot and so they are "forced" to use Ruin 2, which is as mana-efficient as a bucket of water riddled with holes. As a caster, we're all going to have DPS downtimes and we have to know when to move. If we are given something that will deal with it, the risks and gains should be balanced out (e.g. melee can move as they please but they are also in danger of getting cleaved and all melee can't attack/get close to target if a melee is targeted by an AOE, etc)

I'll leave it at that and I hope this doesn't turn to a summoner vs black mage discussion because heaven knows I've had enough issues with that.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I already was constructive. Unless you ignored my feedback for Surecast, which you seemed to.

The new zones require a ton more movement then the older ones, which is why I feel like you are making these threads.

I wouldn't mind however, a buff that lowered all base damage by 30% and allowed you to move and cast.

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Demeaning someone isn't constructive.

The overarching idea would be to address the issue of "move = large dps and probable buff loss".
Lets allow BLM to freely cast while moving, all the time... but punish them for it, all the time.
If you move, you lose 20% of your damage until you stop and stand still for 0.5-1 second. You are actively trading mobility for damage... basically the reverse of BRD and MCH's new abilities.

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

The overarching idea would be to address the issue of "move = large dps and probable buff loss".
Lets allow BLM to freely cast while moving, all the time... but punish them for it, all the time.
If you move, you lose 20% of your damage until you stop and stand still for 0.5-1 second. You are actively trading mobility for damage... basically the reverse of BRD and MCH's new abilities.

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If it was reverse, it would be 30% and not be passive. You would have to turn it on when your moving and off when you are not and take the 30% penalty regardless.

Cast times would be removed completely, and you would also gain access to ranged auto-attacks (at a reduced damage as well.)

Youll find a lot of non blm dont think from af3 second cast point. A lot of classes buffs dont rely on a secondary timer during their new glowy shiny buff .

Or if they have a timer its only 1 timer not 2 that if mis timed leads to a train wreck they dont have to wait 2.90 seconds to refresh said number or have it cast then fail because said timer dropped off before it can finish.

They dont lose 40-50% of their dps, monk has alleviates so as to lower or negate the down time.
Scathe more is not an answer, during heavens pillar and balls I B3-swift T3 and scathe as we group and move in. during orbs t3 b3 scathe and run.

Scathe is not fire 1 or fire 4 .

Spell speed? A lot of the better gear TOOK my ss away from me. I lost 72 for an arguable upgrade.

Ill post it in the feed back area though im not expecting anything tbh, I wont be jumping ship. If they dont up the times thats cool thunder upkeep will stay on the back burner for awhile.

But its whatever Ive said my piece.

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Originally Posted by Neuflune

Blerp

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Truth, you did not, but how am I to know that this isn't some ploy to play sides, sneaking your way into the BLMs favor! YOU CAN'T FOOL ME SUMMONER, I KNOW YOUR KIND! The Summinati will never have the truth of cheese magic!

I swear every boss has it out for me. "That BLM thinks it can cast Ley Lines during this fight. How cute!"

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Originally Posted by Neuflune

^ This.

I have Baha-buff on, I am targeted by massive AOE of doom... move and lose DPS or take the hit while praying to the Twelve?

I move, of course.

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you move and Ruin II while moving instead of Ruin III and you can still Deathflare while moving.

brd and mch are far from fixed :P

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

you move and Ruin II while moving instead of Ruin III and you can still Deathflare while moving.

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The point is for both casters, this is an issue. We can deal with it but still with DPS lost. If changes are to be made, it should be something like Cleric Stance which all healers can use.

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Originally Posted by Neuflune

The point is for both casters, this is an issue. We can deal with it but still with DPS lost. If changes are to be made, it should be something like Cleric Stance which all healers can use.

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that's not the point, the two jobs are different which is a good thing. it's a similar problem but the effects are different. the tools for the two jobs to handle the problem are different.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Did i miss something?

They reduced the dmg potency of MCH AoE from 300 to 200... WS "Fauss Round" from 200 to 180
they just increased gauss barrel from 20% to 30% but also the re-use from 5 s to 15s..


this is more what i call a nerf lol

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・Action category has been changed from spell to ability.
・Damage increase has been increased from 20% to 30%.
・Cast time has been reduced from 3 to 0 seconds.
・Recast time has been increased from 2.5 to 15 seconds.

^ that is from bard MCN is almost the same. on the upside its now instant. and can switch from being mobile to being a cannon

Edit: on topic of the BLM issue why did they make it not give Astral fire/ice? would it have been too strong? imo they need to change the spell Surecast instead of what it does it allows you to move while casting for the duration but maybe add a little longer cast time on your spells while moving

If it restored af ui stacks it would have turned into a cheaper more powerful fire 1 blizzard 3.

That would be freakishly op, it should just restore 2-3 seconds on af per fire 4casted or just give a flat time buff.

Or go drg route and let enochian refresh without losing 5 seconds on maximum time allowed each refresh.

I'm pretty sure the whole point of BLM is to move as little as possible.

BRD and MCH still have cast times and are basically subpar blackmages at present.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

BRD and MCH still have cast times and are basically subpar blackmages at present.

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...With vital utility for hardcore endgame content, please do not compare apples to oranges.

But yeah, +1 for confirming that the new enochian BLM gameplay is rage inducing, my VIOP friends are tired of my whining lol.