Crafters have no right to get their own Chocobos

So you're thinking they can't...

All it is is local leves from Grand Company NPCs instead of the Adventure Guild and Seals instead of Marks. They don't have to be all that complex and all that many. I don't understand why they couldn't do that without delaying anything.

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Originally Posted by Nini_Fisher

You see, there are pure gathers and crafters, every player has their own playing style. As game developer, they should consider this before they release new content.

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yeah, allow me to repair all gears include accessories up to 100% at NPC for 1k

cuz I have my own playing style and I hate crafting

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Originally Posted by Gramul

But what's the appeal?

Did you really go out and buy the game so you could just make products?

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Look at it this way. Are you attracted to men? Are you atracted to women?

Having answered that. Try going to someone who is the same sex as you, but answers this question differently then you, o se it your way, or vice versa. Now you two stay there untill you convince the other your ways is "right" and "better" and/or he convinces you of the same thing. Its not going to happen, nor will you be able to understand. Its not right or wrong, Its different.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

So you're thinking they can't...

All it is is local leves from Grand Company NPCs instead of the Adventure Guild and Seals instead of Marks. They don't have to be all that complex and all that many. I don't understand why they couldn't do that without delaying anything.

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That's right, I don't think they can because if they could have, I think they would have. Maybe it's harder than it seems. Maybe they hadn't thought of it and it's too late to implement in the timetable they've established. Maybe it IS going to be there and there's no specific declaration as such. After all, there is the mention of "Implementation of supply and replenishment objectives" for patch 1.19 under "Grand Companies". I don't see why the reward couldn't be Grand Company seals or why crafters couldn't be involved. (Check the 16th Letter from the Producer if you want to see for yourself)

What I don't believe is that they're deliberately shutting pure gatherers and crafters from getting a chocobo on purpose, or that the dev team is not working it's butt off to please as many people as possible. Whatever they've got on the table, I'm ready to see it. At the least I can rent a chocobo if I want and with people turning their gear into materia I might be able to sell some in the markets. Things are looking up for me no matter how I think of it.

Basically, I agree that non combat classes should be able to earn a chocobo on their own, but I think it's too early to complain that it can't be done. Perhaps we can start this over again in a week or so if we find out your suspicion is on the money and there's no note to the effect that the issue will be addressed.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Look at it this way. Are you attracted to men? Are you attracted to women?

Having answered that. Try going to someone who is the same sex as you, but answers this question differently then you, or see it your way, or vice versa. Now you two stay there until you convince the other your ways is "right" and "better" and/or he convinces you of the same thing. Its not going to happen, nor will you be able to understand. Its not right or wrong, Its different.

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A biological inclination is vastly different from tastes in a game traditionally concentrated on battle tactics as a means to progress.

And as I've said, I'm not against it at all. I'm just curious as to why someone would play it just for that, especially considering the series and genre history.

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Originally Posted by Nini_Fisher

You see, there are pure gathers and crafters, every player has their own playing style. As game developer, they should consider this before they release new content.

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not when they already said they were going to de-emphasize crafters and gatherers as classes/jobs.

But I like being my guilds one and only crafter and archer :'(

Oh wait...

I played xi and the only reason I leveled bst was for fast farming of stuff that I couldn't buy easily. Only got to 60 before I maxed all crafting skills. I thought it was neat to be decked out in all hq gear or I had tons of money to buy whatever I wanted. I knew some max rank crafters in xi with max jobs below 30 that weren't alts. For me it was like wasting tons of money for college to make more money. This game I got 3 mil just doing leves without selling an item to another player. I wouldn't have a battle class above 20 if my son didn't want me to go out and fight things and do behest. Thank goodness I did, as crafters are considered secondary classes now.

Having to travel to all the camps to turn in leves would greatly help if crafters had chocobos.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

A biological inclination is vastly different from tastes in a game traditionally concentrated on battle tactics as a means to progress.

And as I've said, I'm not against it at all. I'm just curious as to why someone would play it just for that, especially considering the series and genre history.

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It's a matter of what an individual enjoys being or doing. Non combat jobs might appeal to people who don't like being under pressure but do enjoy contributing to the success of a group. Another person might want to "beat the system" by figuring out how to make the most money. Maybe they get tremendous joy from having lots of gil and being the rich guy in town. I doubt either of these cases is particularly common, but surely some people would. I personally find gathering a pretty leisurely way to play and comfortably chat. Hanging out with pals and tossing them ores when they need 'em isn't a bad way to pass time in Eorzea.

I gotta say out of my 7 years mmorpg experience, FFXIV (I have not play FFXI) is the game that have a decent craft system and taste in it and not press a button and go afk, and I am sure most of the craft agree with me about this

Only reason I leveled two battle classes (Conj and Thaum) was to use the to farm things I could not get gathering. I see the combat classes as the icing on my crafting/gathering cake. When I can repair/make all of my gear that I obtain/make, then I will work on the other combat classes.

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Originally Posted by Valarian

That's right, I don't think they can because if they could have, I think they would have. [..]

What I don't believe is that they're deliberately shutting pure gatherers and crafters from getting a chocobo on purpose, or that the dev team is not working it's butt off to please as many people as possible. Whatever they've got on the table, I'm ready to see it. At the least I can rent a chocobo if I want and with people turning their gear into materia I might be able to sell some in the markets. Things are looking up for me no matter how I think of it.

Basically, I agree that non combat classes should be able to earn a chocobo on their own, but I think it's too early to complain that it can't be done. Perhaps we can start this over again in a week or so if we find out your suspicion is on the money and there's no note to the effect that the issue will be addressed.

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It's good that you have such a positive attitude and I do hope I'm wrong.

But after being shut out of the Grand Companies entirely since their appearance (all GC quests are Battleclass related) my gatherer buddy is thinking about quitting the game. He's really disappointed about the Chocobo thing. It was a long awaited promise that he really really looked forward to. He can rent but he wants his own becuase he doesn't want to be tied to a city or to be limited to only 20 mins. because it makes it useless to someone who gathers for hours very far from town. Plus, it's the gall of seeing "everyone else" running around on chocobos when he's not. So you gotta respect his point of view that this is a major blow to his outlook of the future game. How long will he have to wait before he feels like the game is improving? Because right now he feels pretty left out.

I've offered to power level him and run him through the r25 quests for all 3 cities. I don't want to lose a friend.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

But after being shut out of the Grand Companies entirely since their appearance (all GC quests are Battleclass related) my gatherer buddy is thinking about quitting the game.

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What? Is the 1.19 patch-note already out?
Where can i read it? Or do you mean 1.18 with "(all GC quests are Battleclass related)"? 1.18 is outdated in few days.

I'm very sure crafters and gatherers are getting work in the grand companies.
Make the quest Seeing the Seers in Gridania and you see what I mean.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Most crafters probably have at least one R25 battle class or whatever Rank is necessary to get a chocobo.

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This is not the point. As a crafter and citizen of Eorzea, I want to contribute to world. Give us crafters Company quests that asking us to make "Ul'dahn Longbow" as a quest item. In this way, when we see someone equip "Ul'dahn Longbow", we know we have done something good for our role in Eorzea and not feel being left out from it.

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Originally Posted by Norwan

This is not the point. As a crafter and citizen of Eorzea, I want to contribute to world. Give us crafters Company quests that asking us to make "Ul'dahn Longbow" as a quest item. In this way, when we see someone equip "Ul'dahn Longbow", we know we have done something good for our role in Eorzea and not feel being left out from it.

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Have a bit of a story related to that, Might be a bit long.

Many many moons ago I was talking with a friend via ventrillo. We were both running locals at the time. Some how the conversation got onto hamlet defense battles and then back to how silly it was to be making all the buckles, bandannas, and all the other stupid crap you churn out for locals.

He got quiet for a couple seconds then said, You know what would be cool Griss? If we got a quest to make Armor weapons and other things for the hamlets and when you ran out to the hamlet to turn it in, it actually effected something. like any npc's defending got a little bonus to damage or defense or had more hp. Or it made certain buffs available to players. I had to agree with him.

I know i only speak for my self here, But that's why i get into crafting in these types of games. The idea that something that I created helping out another player even if i never have any other contact with them other then the transaction. Well it just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

The Grand Company Chocobos (please stop calling them Personal Chocos..those come later) have those nifty flags/banners on them. Perhaps Crafters will be asked to make them. It also could be that the entire Materia System is GC related.

I am pretty certain that Crafters and Gatherers will have Company Quests soon but I have my doubts that they will be awarded a Battle Chocobo (Why would they?). I believe that they hinted at a "Pack Mule" Chocobo (that you can walk beside) which is probably only available to Crafter/Gatherers.

BTW, I looked through all the Official Personal (GC) Chocobo notes and I saw nothing that stated nor implied that Crafters/Gatherers could not get one. What is the concern? Is it that there are currently no GC quests for craft/gather to earn Seals?

If that is the worry, then hopefully 1.19 will have Craft/Gather quests for seals. If it does not, then start worrying.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

It's good that you have such a positive attitude and I do hope I'm wrong.

But after being shut out of the Grand Companies entirely since their appearance (all GC quests are Battleclass related) my gatherer buddy is thinking about quitting the game. He's really disappointed about the Chocobo thing. It was a long awaited promise that he really really looked forward to. He can rent but he wants his own becuase he doesn't want to be tied to a city or to be limited to only 20 mins. because it makes it useless to someone who gathers for hours very far from town. Plus, it's the gall of seeing "everyone else" running around on chocobos when he's not. So you gotta respect his point of view that this is a major blow to his outlook of the future game. How long will he have to wait before he feels like the game is improving? Because right now he feels pretty left out.

I've offered to power level him and run him through the r25 quests for all 3 cities. I don't want to lose a friend.

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You are a good friend. ^^ I'll keep my fingers crossed that he does not feel left out for much longer.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

I gotta say out of my 7 years mmorpg experience, FFXIV (I have not play FFXI) is the game that have a decent craft system and taste in it and not press a button and go afk, and I am sure most of the craft agree with me about this

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While it's a different system as in other MMO's, it's still a system which lacks a lot of things. Or at least some sort of long lasting-ness ;O
I'd rather bang my head against the wall or on my desk instead of hitting standard synthesis over and over for 1hour and above ><;

I dunno. Maybe they changed a little bit already. But skilling (sping) up the crafting classes still feels sloppy and boring. Of course some people think "Oh cool, that's what I can do 24/7". I cannot. T-T

But here are different opinions at place once again. I can only hope they tweak it a little bit more so it's getting more enjoyable instead of a "Hmm I need my CRP at 50 so I can repair my own bows in the field"-Feeling.
I want to play that game regulary sooooooo badly but it's not that appealing yet, sadly :(

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

I gotta say out of my 7 years mmorpg experience, FFXIV (I have not play FFXI) is the game that have a decent craft system and taste in it and not press a button and go afk, and I am sure most of the craft agree with me about this

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this is one crafter that completely agrees. i love the depth of the materials and the hq system. sure the mini game itself needs some work and there are some items that need tweaking, but is overall the best system in any mmo i have played to date. i am speaking of the way it is now.

i have my concerns about the upcoming system, but i guess i will just have to wait and see. i just feel like alot of what i enjoy about crafting is being taken away and not fixing the parts that i think could have been improved upon. that's only a personal opinion though.

Yea, crafting is really amazing.
Spamming the Standard action.

I love to look at the equip i made and see every mat i used on it.
It's so realistic.
But the 2h that it takes me to craft an item in game, i could use to make myself a sweater, or something.
Then i would stop and admire every single thread on it.
Just like FFXIV!

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

Yea, crafting is really amazing.
Spamming the Standard action.

I love to look at the equip i made and see every mat i used on it.
It's so realistic.
But the 2h that it takes me to craft an item in game, i could use to make myself a sweater, or something.
Then i would stop and admire every single thread on it.
Just like FFXIV!

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it's by far the most involved crafting system in any mmo i have ever played. the spamming of standard is part of what i was talking about needed to be fixed in the mini game. the overbearing luck factor was another thing that needed to be worked on.

the process involved in hq'ing finished items was a nice process and quite enjoyable for people that do craft.

it's funny people complain about spamming standard to rank up crafting but they are wiling to group up and grind with battle classes and kill mob after mob doing the exact same thing.

We can talk about the way certain battle systems are broke, certain abilities do not work, and other issues with the battle system as well Sagagemini. So they both have issues. I may be mistaken but from your post you appear to be unhappy with how you craft. That is your issues with SE not ours. If your spaming standard, thats your choice. There are plenty of crafting abilities that add to the process, as well as ways to help create better odd for HQ items.

Now please explain how your post has any logical connection to the topic. All your doing is trolling.

Whether you like it or not, some of us do. And any those who do craft and dislike it, they are entitled to there opinion of it. That being said, they still are citizens of Earoza and should be permited to all aspects of the game as an active playing class.

To obtain a chocobo from a Grand Company, you are required to pledge your full allegiance to their cause, and to do that you must have achieved level 25 in any Discipline of War or Magic.

Thanks Bayohne.

Well, crafters and gatherers - looks like you're going to have to spend about 4 hours of your life leveling a fighting class.

Let the Rage Quit threats commence!

... actually, instead of that, can I preemptively recommend my Power-leveling services on Besaid server? I love crafters and we could work out a reasonable deal ^^

Since crafting leves never interefered with battle leves it would have seemed a bit of a waste for crafters not to take time out to smell the roses, or rather, kill the marmots. If they never bothered... well... where do they get the shards, gil and some of the materials from?

You'll probably find a lot of crafters do have a reasonably well ranked battle class :p

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

To obtain a chocobo from a Grand Company, you are required to pledge your full allegiance to their cause, and to do that you must have achieved level 25 in any Discipline of War or Magic.

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So, we, crafters, do have no right to get our own chocobo. Thank you for clear this out.

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Originally Posted by Nini_Fisher

So, we, crafters, do have no right to get our own chocobo. Thank you for clear this out.

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You have the exact same right everyone else does to get a chocobo, actually.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Since crafting leves never interefered with battle leves it would have seemed a bit of a waste for crafters not to take time out to smell the roses, or rather, kill the marmots. If they never bothered... well... where do they get the shards, gil and some of the materials from?

You'll probably find a lot of crafters do have a reasonably well ranked battle class :p

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Only leatherwork require farming on hide, the rest of other crafting classes can work with gathering class only.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

You have the exact same right everyone else does to get a chocobo, actually.

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no the full time crafters and gatherers do not. if you only have one class capped and it is a con and another person has only one class capped and it is a weaver then you have the right to get into the company and get a chocobo, but the other does not. your one class has the right to get one and the others class has the responsibility to rank another class to get one.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no the full time crafters and gatherers do not.

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Sure they do. They are only 'full time' because they've made that choice.

It would be like there being awesome crafter content released, and someone who only levels up DOM/W bitching b/c they can't get access to something that they've never put any real work into. Doesn't make sense.

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if you only have one class capped and it is a con and another person has only one class capped and it is a weaver then you have the right to get into the company and get a chocobo, but the other does not. your one class has the right to get one and the others class has the responsibility to rank another class to get one.

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Both classes have the exact same rights to get the chocobo. You don't get one just b/c you are of a certain rank, you get one by promising service to one of the grand companies. It's entirely reasonable for them to prefer the services of people who can actually fight in the upcoming conflict, yaknow.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

Sure they do. They are only 'full time' because they've made that choice.

It would be like there being awesome crafter content released, and someone who only levels up DOM/W bitching b/c they can't get access to something that they've never put any real work into. Doesn't make sense.



Both classes have the exact same rights to get the chocobo. You don't get one just b/c you are of a certain rank, you get one by promising service to one of the grand companies. It's entirely reasonable for them to prefer the services of people who can actually fight in the upcoming conflict, yaknow.

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yeah, how dare people that strictly craft or gather think they could be of use by making the weapons and gear the company members will fight with, yaknow.

i have r50 battle classes so it doesn't hurt me, but is is just more proof that even though this game promoted crafters and gatherers being full classes in this game yoshi is turning his back on them.

edit: there's also a big difference between some kind of actual content and just being able to get an alternate way of travel just because they do not fight monsters.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

To obtain a chocobo from a Grand Company, you are required to pledge your full allegiance to their cause, and to do that you must have achieved level 25 in any Discipline of War or Magic.

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oh wow surprised with this response, i got fighter class so doesn't affect me but was thinking they had crafter/gatherer in mind by obtaining CS with other crafter/gatherer related grand company leve's. That's gonna make some of those people playing only as crafter/gatherer (if any still exists)

In theory, all crafters are the gil-mongering superrich, therefore they should be able to purchase one. for 500 million gil.

Also, if you don't think they'll cry their way to free chocobos, you don't know playerbases very well.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

To obtain a chocobo from a Grand Company, you are required to pledge your full allegiance to their cause, and to do that you must have achieved level 25 in any Discipline of War or Magic.

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This wasn't a surprise to me. Yoshi-P did say awhile ago that he was planning on making the primary focus on DoW/M, with crafting and gathering going into a secondary role.

After all, this is Final Fantasy, not Harvest Moon.

again, the team has already stated they are straying away from crafters and gatherers as being seen as classes equal to that of DOW/DOM.

sure there are pure crafters and pure gatherers, but there are also pure battlers which almost every crafter/gatherer bashes on for not wanting to look to them for things battlers deem irrelevant to their own gameplay style.
much like having to seek out a crafter for repairs past 75%.... why should i? im a pure battler and there is no real difference between 99% and 75% gear wear. therefor i feel the NPC repairman should repair ALL gear to 99% so i dont have to associate to that extent with a crafter just like crafters dont want to battle to obtain their war steed (or chocobos in the FF series but serve the exact same purpose)

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

After all, this is Final Fantasy, not Harvest Moon.

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lol .. this is funny.

I don't think there are many people that don't have a DOW/DOM class to lvl 25, besides the new ones. What is the point of levelling craft jobs only, how would they craft the HQ's without some HQ mats that can only be obtained through battle..?

Don't you need r22 in DoW or DoM to join a company anyway? Or is it all classes?

I would not be to surprised if they added in an alternate method to gaining a personal bird.

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Originally Posted by Griss

I would not be to surprised if they added in an alternate method to gaining a personal bird.

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You mean like chocobo breeding?

Ah whoops, I gave the game away. :p

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

This wasn't a surprise to me. Yoshi-P did say awhile ago that he was planning on making the primary focus on DoW/M, with crafting and gathering going into a secondary role.

After all, this is Final Fantasy, not Harvest Moon.

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Then, SE should remove crafting classes and gathering classes from character selection.