Disappointing sales. The Elder Scrolls Online outsells Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by dank1

Lol the UK thinking it's relevant, that's like half of a state in the US right?

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We don't think we're relevant, we know we're relevant, we just don't need to shout it from the rooftops whilst our police run around towns in riot gear and tanks to control our population.

More people buy MMO's on a console digitally becuase they can't trade them in or sell them to gamestop.

Everyone who bought ESO for consoles will quit when Zenimax completely abandons them in favor of bringing ESO to their true target platform: the Vita and 3DS. "Tamriel Handheld" will launch and everyone will buy it.

Then all of those players will quit when Zenimax completely abandons them in favor of bringing ESO to their true target platform: web browsers. "Tamriel Mobile" will launch and everyone will buy it.

Then all of those players will quit when Zenimax completely abandons them in favor of bringing ESO to their true target platform: a device lodged up their own ass.

Just so you know, TESO is still on a marketing blitz that correlated directly over the E3/HW launch timeframe.

Most (all?) the people who went into Early Access ordered online, not retail.

hum... Iorel, are you ignoring all the post that points the irrelevance and biased criteria of the link you posted and just picking on unrelated stuff??

Have some decency and edit your OP saying it was just a joke or you posted it ironically or something.

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Originally Posted by dank1

Lol the UK thinking it's relevant, that's like half of a state in the US right?

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...Are you from TERA forums?
You seem awfully familiar. All your posts are usually condescending and trollish.
Just like this one.
I'd link your profile to TERA if I could but Holy cow...You're here...Good lord.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Just so you know, TESO is still on a marketing blitz that correlated directly over the E3/HW launch timeframe.

Most (all?) the people who went into Early Access ordered online, not retail.

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Not all, some of us went for the Physical CE.
But yeah, there is little to no reason to order a physical copy if you don't want to physical CE, it just adds issues.

FFXIV makes the bulk of its $ from subscriptions, so a new sale of ARR is just as valuable as a HW sale. I am impressed so many new players are starting ARR!

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Not really, i just agree with the OP that elder scrolls online shouldn't be beating Heavensward right now.

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Why shouldn't it? Heavensward is always going to be a slow seller for SE.

As others have said, there's a multitude of mitigating factors surrounding it. And even if sales of an expansion are lower than a base game release, that doesn't mean they're disappointing. A game doesn't have to be first, just profitable enough. And however much that is, is totally up to Square's accountants.

Ok, so Heavensward makes it to top 10 as a subscription based MMO and you say it is disappointing? Sorry, but I feel no disappointment here.. actually I am pretty satisfied.
Plus I know maybe like 2 guys in my FC who bought HW from retailers lol.

are you people seriously discussing this, its retauil statistics, like 10% of pc sales are retail anymore.

So... an English originated game sold better RETAIL than a Japanese originated game (that does most stuff digital).

You probably be hard pressed to find that many stores with many physical copies in stock of FFXIV or HW, just saying.

You know, if you check Steam, it's also around that area, ranked 7th, just above Fallout 4 (which isn't even released yet, congratulations Yoshi, your game beat a pre-order!)

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Originally Posted by jazo

hum... Iorel, are you ignoring all the post that points the irrelevance and biased criteria of the link you posted and just picking on unrelated stuff??

Have some decency and edit your OP saying it was just a joke or you posted it ironically or something.

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My post wasn't a joke. A market as big as the UK is a ample sample size to see how the game is selling in other markets worldwide.

The only difference will be Japan as there game market is very different from the rest of the world.

A good example would be this. The X box one only sold 100 units last week in Japan yes you read that right ONLY 100 http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-reaches-a...ium=Socialflow

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

You are forgetting digital sales, too.

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this, I work at gamestop and we barely had anyone show me, the customers I know that played it, myself, and a co-worker all bought it online.

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Originally Posted by lorel

My post wasn't a joke. A market as big as the UK is a ample sample size to see how the game is selling in other markets worldwide.

The only difference will be Japan as there game market is very different from the rest of the world.

A good example would be this. The X box one only sold 100 units last week in Japan yes you read that right ONLY 100 http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-reaches-a...ium=Socialflow

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thing is, in general this game isn't as popular in europe compared to other areas for several reasons. It's really not the best comparison

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Originally Posted by Lexxuk

You know, if you check Steam, it's also around that area, ranked 7th, just above Fallout 4 (which isn't even released yet, congratulations Yoshi, your game beat a pre-order!)

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That's insanely good, considering how many limitations the Steam version is causing, and thus how few people actually use it for FFXIV.

This doesn't include digital sales. Probably doesn't include anything bought before Early Access, and I only know a few people who bought HW on/after the June 23rd release.

Who the heck cares about steam in case of an mmo???
Srsly <.<
Guys stop bitching about irrelevant numbers Ô.o
MMORPG is a very specific genre after. Stop comparing it to things that don't matter at all.
The only thing that counts is how many subscribers wow will lose to it in the end.

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Originally Posted by lorel

My post wasn't a joke. A market as big as the UK is a ample sample size to see how the game is selling in other markets worldwide.

The only difference will be Japan as there game market is very different from the rest of the world.

A good example would be this. The X box one only sold 100 units last week in Japan yes you read that right ONLY 100 http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-reaches-a...ium=Socialflow

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Time to stop replying only to things you can prove wrong and realise that most players bought the game in digital state. Especially the collectors.
If you wanted to troll, congratulations, you were succesfull.

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Originally Posted by lorel

My post wasn't a joke. A market as big as the UK is a ample sample size to see how the game is selling in other markets worldwide.

The only difference will be Japan as there game market is very different from the rest of the world.

A good example would be this. The X box one only sold 100 units last week in Japan yes you read that right ONLY 100 http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-reaches-a...ium=Socialflow

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Actually UK is not a good sample for online games.
For example League of Legends, the biggest online game of the last 4 or so years, has VERY few UK players (% of population) compared to almost any other EU country.

Ohhh a numbers game this should be interesting...

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Originally Posted by lorel

My post wasn't a joke. A market as big as the UK is a ample sample size to see how the game is selling in other markets worldwide.

The only difference will be Japan as there game market is very different from the rest of the world.

A good example would be this. The X box one only sold 100 units last week in Japan yes you read that right ONLY 100 http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-reaches-a...ium=Socialflow

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Unfortunately there are other variables that make the UK a terrible sample, though. As others have stated, your original post only shows retail sales of the game. Most people bought digitally unless they wanted the physical CE. This further poses a problem because if I remember right, the CE was grossly over-priced in the UK (you can correct me if I'm wrong and they fixed it) as SE never actually performed the conversion of dollars to pounds and just deemed that $130 dollars and 130 pounds were the same thing. As such, the physical CE (again the only reason most people bought retail) is likely to see even lower sales in the UK than in the US or Japan.

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Originally Posted by Lexxuk

You know, if you check Steam, it's also around that area, ranked 7th, just above Fallout 4 (which isn't even released yet, congratulations Yoshi, your game beat a pre-order!)

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I am surprised if anything beat out Fallout 4 went it went up for pre order. It has a huge world wide near fanatical playerbase that has been waiting a very long time.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Not to be mean but you really think that makes a difference? Are UK gamers that much different than JP or US gamers, prob not. The fact the servers didn't crash for a week like you guys predicted goes to show that heavensward wasn't the second coming for FFXIV people thought it was.

I love FFXIV, but even I can see the game has problems. And white knighting the game isn't going to help anyone. That being said, i think ffxiv is in a pretty good place for now.

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Clearly you weren't on Aether data center.

On that note, Heavensward PS4 and PC physical copies were completely sold out of the local Gamestop (Georgia, in the US) as of last week. (A friend was there for something else and inquired.) The only thing left is PS3 physical copies, because nobody loves the PS3 any more.

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Originally Posted by Vyshan

Do people even buy retail games anymore? I can't remember the last time I bought a game that wasn't a digital download. So, my purchases will never be in those figures.

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Last time I bought a retail game was for a girl I like and was because that game had no option to gift the digital version, I only took the serial number and sent it to her

The game had restricted physical sales also. At one stage we didn't even know if a physical CE was going to be offered on sale in Australia and when it finally was it was $300.

So retail statistics probably aren't the best to use since it wasn't made as available at retail as it was digitally.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

More people buy MMO's on a console digitally becuase they can't trade them in or sell them to gamestop.

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Yup, I think the physical copy is treated like the way PC games are. (since you see no one selling used PC games...which means they don't take em)

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Originally Posted by Catwho

On that note, Heavensward PS4 and PC physical copies were completely sold out of the local Gamestop (Georgia, in the US) as of last week. (A friend was there for something else and inquired.) The only thing left is PS3 physical copies, because nobody loves the PS3 any more.

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Yes true, the only copy of ARR I see in one location of GameStop is for PS3...PC and PS4 are sold out...I guess if I ever do upgrade to a PS4 I'm gonna have to go digital for that...and probably the expansion. (lol I think from that particular store I got the very last PC copy of ARR - I have the uncanny ability to get last copies of things)

I'm not sure about the retail vs digital sales, but playing ESO I know that they've only got two servers for the PS4 version one NA and one EU, that leads me to believe that it's probably not quite as big as ffxiv, though I could be mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Taban

I'm not sure about the retail vs digital sales, but playing ESO I know that they've only got two servers for the PS4 version one NA and one EU, that leads me to believe that it's probably not quite as big as ffxiv, though I could be mistaken.

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I believe ESO uses Mega, or 'channelized', servers though. Meaning it's one big server that puts players in seperate channels as they fill up. FFXIV uses stand alone servers.

I would also like to point out in defense of the "EU sales are different than JP and US sales" argument, that particularly with the JP market sales for HW will be FAR higher than sales for ESO simply due to the fact that Final Fantasy is a Japanese game, while the Elder Scrolls series is based out of America. Traditionally speaking, American games sell very poorly in the JP market when compared to Japanese games, while Japanese games, (the ones that are actually imported anyhow), sell almost as well, if not as well, as American games in the NA market. This is because for a long time, JP games were the best story based games we could get in NA, while American games were typically relegated to mindless shooters with only the barest hints of story. This has changed over time of course, (and for the better), but the impact those earlier days had still is evident in sales numbers. I can't particularly speak as to whether the EU market is the same as the NA market, however.....

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Originally Posted by MortalWare

The game had restricted physical sales also. At one stage we didn't even know if a physical CE was going to be offered on sale in Australia and when it finally was it was $300.

So retail statistics probably aren't the best to use since it wasn't made as available at retail as it was digitally.

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I live in Australia and this is not true. The game is widely available a retail stores everywhere like here https://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-208103...Heavensward-PC

Even the physical CE is back in stock at EB Games https://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-202854...ors-Edition-PC

I have to queue to get on to Zodiark, think that's one of, if not the, smallest server.

That can't be bad news for SE.

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Originally Posted by lorel

I live in Australia and this is not true. The game is widely available a retail stores everywhere like here https://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-208103...Heavensward-PC

Even the physical CE is back in stock at EB Games https://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-202854...ors-Edition-PC

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Australia is a completly different story. Afaik (and I think you can confirm), games are ultra expensive. Just seeing that physical CE price and you will understand. While it costs 130€ in Europe, it cost 215€ in Australia.

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Originally Posted by lorel

I live in Australia and this is not true. The game is widely available a retail stores everywhere like here https://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-208103...Heavensward-PC

Even the physical CE is back in stock at EB Games https://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-202854...ors-Edition-PC

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Good to know but it simply wasn't that avaiable to order BEFORE launch. I had to import a copy since none were being sold.

lorel, please just stop trying to justify that you're spreading misinformation to troll others. Your initial post is not an indication of HW sales in the slightest, nor are your anecdotes. Until SE actually realeases sales figures, can we have this topic locked, please?

We need a revival of the thread about all the times that FFXIV died cause clearly low retail sales in the UK is one of the reasons that the game became unprofitable forcing SE to take the servers down.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

lorel, please just stop trying to justify that you're spreading misinformation to troll others. Your initial post is not an indication of HW sales in the slightest, nor are your anecdotes. Until SE actually realeases sales figures, can we have this topic locked, please?

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I am not "spreading misinformation" I posted official retail sales data for this game in the UK region and provided a link.

How is that trolling?

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Originally Posted by lorel

I am not "spreading misinformation" I posted official retail sales data for this game in the UK region and provided a link.

How is that trolling?

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Read the last 8 pages about why your information is ridiculously skewed. Especially when your conclusion is that the sales are "disappointing".

How do you compare an expansion to a whole new game? Its like saying trailer sales are lagging behind car sales, really, you don't say.