Can we get modern english translation?

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

This is a japanese game made by Japanese writers this game was localized by english people how they wanted the game to be. Do this with an Anime such as One piece or Dragon ball z Sailor moon and its no where the same as the what the author envisioned those characters to be. A true precise Japanese to English translation is the correct way the game should be translated. Doing it in this broken made up English language is imo near garbage compared to games/etc like Dragon age, Witcher series, Lord of the rings and so on.

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That is now how the localization works and really just because a few people get headaches trying to understand the the characters they will redo the script so you have a second option when there are other things they can spend time on its not going to happen(and no the pirate speak was so damn annoying during the rogue questline) Also there is no such thing as a true precise translation to from a language to a different language

So what then, l33t speak? Txt slang? Guess that's understandable, children these days can barely speak or read fluent english.

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Originally Posted by BHGlobbd

So what then, l33t speak? Txt slang? Guess that's understandable, children these days can barely speak or read fluent english.

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you are being unreasonable im talking about normal language not computer or ghetto slang. Don't try to be a smart ass.

Game of thrones? Anyone?

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

you are being unreasonable im talking about normal language not computer or ghetto slang. Don't try to be a smart ass.

Game of thrones? Anyone?

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This is why the other thread didn't go well and that's what I said about AD Hominem.
You have people like him commenting like that and people knew darn well that you and the other OP meant.
-Shrugs- You best leave this be and save your posting limits. I say try and use context clues
if you wanna try and get the gist of sentences. That's what I do.

The devs have picked how they wanted the English to be. They are not about to spend the money or waste the effort of redoing all the text. Also it would be weird if one second they are speaking one way in the text then the next they are talking different in the voiced cutscenes. Unless you want them to re do those too.

This is something you're just gonna have to get used to.

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Originally Posted by Banono

The devs have picked how they wanted the English to be. They are not about to spend the money or waste the effort of redoing all the text. Also it would be weird if one second they are speaking one way in the text then the next they are talking different in the voiced cutscenes. Unless you want them to re do those too.

This is something you're just gonna have to get used to.

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please why won't ppl read this thread? they are not trying to remove or change the language but add an option for people who Don't like that olde language

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Originally Posted by Banono

The devs have picked how they wanted the English to be. They are not about to spend the money or waste the effort of redoing all the text. Also it would be weird if one second they are speaking one way in the text then the next they are talking different in the voiced cutscenes. Unless you want them to re do those too.

This is something you're just gonna have to get used to.

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but i don't care about voices. I use Japanese audio any ways because the english Voice acting imo is trash.

The language in this game is no more complex than what you're required to read in high school English classes.

i have a good exemple of extreme localization that was push too far.... the french localization of some anime like Hokuto no ken or city hunter, it's good to try to make the game more.... deep, but i'm with some that are against the fact to change the script because: the dragon are old and don't talk like this. forgeting that the japense version of the dragon talk almost normally.
it's not at the localization team to decide the sense of the sentence or how talk people, if they want to add old english, why not, but the fact to change what say the npc for add flavor i'm clearly against it. it's quite rude in a way for the author.

i wonder how tolkien will have react if some people that have done the translation of him book will have change the way to speak of the character for add flavor.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

The language in this game is no more complex than what you're required to read in high school English classes.

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No its worse, here. It feels like horrible fanboy fanfic old language writing.

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Originally Posted by Zeirnaton

please why won't ppl read this thread? they are not trying to remove or change the language but add an option for people who Don't like that olde language

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I never said they would remove what they have now...

In order for them to create what the OP has asked for that means a team would have to redo all the text. As in go through and retype it in "normal" English and make sure it makes sense and fits with the lore.

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

No its worse, here. It feels like horrible fanboy fanfic old language writing.

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... I don't think you've read much classic literature, then, because I can assure you that I've encountered far worse.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...heredeEnglishe

But on a more serious note, it's done deliberately for stylistic reasons, and I doubt they're going to change it. Would you rather have the horribly butchered All Your Base Are Belong To Us type translations?

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

... I don't think you've read much classic literature, then, because I can assure you that I've encountered far worse.

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Im sure you have. Im sure there is probably much worse. But comparing this to actual novels and media/movies and games based in a similar "time setting" This is not good in any way. Is that what we as gamers do now? Accept mediocre stuff because its just fine? Or do we ask for better? Or are we okay with just fine?

Because you've seen worse this is okay.

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

Im sure you have. Im sure there is probably much worse. But comparing this to actual novels and media/movies and games based in a similar "time setting" This is not good in any way. Is that what we as gamers do now? Accept mediocre stuff because its just fine? Or do we ask for better? Or are we okay with just fine?

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You are complaining that something that is less complex language-wise than texts that are taught in high school is too difficult to understand. Think about that for a moment.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

You are complaining that something that is less complex language-wise than texts that are taught in high school is too difficult to understand. Think about that for a moment.

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Is horribly done and annoying to read. I have several times given you several examples of games and movies that have done this old school language right. This is done wrong it gives me a headache and hard to follow because it is so horribly done. Do I Have this issue with LOTR, Witcher, Dragon Age, Final Fantasy Tactics? Nope I do not.

because its easier for you to understand than me its okay despite the fact this language is horribly done to actual written Novels. Do I need to grab a game of descent Board game text and read it to you of what actual good written old style language is that carries emotion and weight or plenty of other medieval novels? Do it right or don't do it at all.

You know what makes my head hurt?

Crybabies that complain about the dumbest of things. I bet you're the type of person that hates on Vagrant Story because of its amazing use of old english. [spolier]Yes, Vagrant Story is almost entirely comprised of old english[/spoiler]

With that said, the ye olde engilsh (purposeful misspelling) in ARR is fine. There's much more important things (DPS being the most wanted in queue? WOT?) to worry about than it.

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Originally Posted by Bracken

you mean like modern english

Alphinaud: yer lets us go to da Ishgurd lolz well be safe der :P

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There is no middle ground for you people is there? It's either cheezy faux Shakespearean or illiterate lulz speech. /rolleyes

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

You know what makes my head hurt?

Crybabies that complain about the dumbest of things. I bet you're the type of person that hates on Vagrant Story because of its amazing use of old english. [spolier]Yes, Vagrant Story is almost entirely comprised of old english[/spoiler]

With that said, the ye olde engilsh (purposeful misspelling) in ARR is fine. There's much more important things (DPS being the most wanted in queue? WOT?) to worry about than it.

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That's not Old English. Old English is completely unintelligable to a modern English speaker. It has a lot of letters that don't even exist in our alphabet today. Even Middle English is mostly unintelligeable to a modern English speaker. Old English is much closer to Dutch than English. What most people think of as "Old English" (with the thee's and thou's) is in fact early modern English (which is what Shakespeare used). Here's an example of some text in actual Old English.

HWÆT, WE GAR-DEna in geardagum,
þeodcyninga þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon!

It's the opening to Beowulf. Here's the complete text. http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/beowulf-oe.asp

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

You know what makes my head hurt?

Crybabies that complain about the dumbest of things. I bet you're the type of person that hates on Vagrant Story because of its amazing use of old english. [spolier]Yes, Vagrant Story is almost entirely comprised of old english[/spoiler]

With that said, the ye olde engilsh (purposeful misspelling) in ARR is fine. There's much more important things (DPS being the most wanted in queue? WOT?) to worry about than it.

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I bet your the type of person that is "to long didn't read thread"

Never played Vagrant Story so there is no way I can't hate on it. Regardless I Have posted several Games and media that do the job right. Here its just bad and annoying. I said this was just a minor complaint but instead people try to be rude and make off hand marks trying to insult others and basically saying its fine deal with it, go get a book. In fact most post on this thread have been utterly useless and haven't even bother to "read" the 1st post or bring anything useful here.

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Originally Posted by Saerydoth

That's not Old English. Old English is completely unintelligable to a modern English speaker. What most people think of as "old English" (with the thee's and thou's) is in fact early modern English. Here's an example of some text in actual old English.

HWÆT, WE GAR-DEna in geardagum,
þeodcyninga þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon!

It's the opening to Beowulf. Here's the complete text. http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/beowulf-oe.asp

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Yes, thank you for being literal. Either way, there's still more important things to complain about.

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Oh, I've read the first post. I still find it stupid.

When a thread is largely useless (IE yours), you're going to attract snide and useless remarks. This isn't difficult to understand. The wording itself in-game isn't difficult to understand.

Plus, have you tried speaking it? It's quite amusing trying to pronounce half these words.

English, like its fellow languages German and Dutch in the West Germanic family, has different words for "you" depending on formality. German uses "du" for the familiar form for you, and "sie" for formal. English is actually the same way. "thou" is the *informal* and "you" is the formal. Most people get the two confused, because thou sounds more formal because it has dropped out of common use. At some point the nobility in England just started calling everyone "you", and it eventually filtered down to the lower classes, and the informal "thou" was dropped out of common use, but still exists in the language. There's nothing wrong with saying thee, thou, and things like that, because they are still grammatically correct, even if it sounds a bit archaic.

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

You know what makes my head hurt?

Crybabies that complain about the dumbest of things. I bet you're the type of person that hates on Vagrant Story because of its amazing use of old english. [spolier]Yes, Vagrant Story is almost entirely comprised of old english[/spoiler]

With that said, the ye olde engilsh (purposeful misspelling) in ARR is fine. There's much more important things (DPS being the most wanted in queue? WOT?) to worry about than it.

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^ This. A 'plain English' translation quite frankly, is not worth the extra development time and resources, as the writing team would have to spend time effectively doing two English versions of the game concurrent to each other (the word 'translations' are not really appropriate for this, given the fact the English version of the game is actually written concurrently with the Japanese version). A 'plain English' version of the game's script would also be like the Newspeak butchering of English in 1984 where the complexities of language are compacted into simple words and phrases, thus losing the whole context of what was being said, or even in some cases, resulting in a completely different meaning. Besides, lets face it. This is not our Earth.

This is Hydaelyn, an entirely different world with it's own unique cultures, societies and yes, languages. It's worldbuilding at it's most basic. And before you pass judgement, J.R.R Tolkien did the same thing with Lord of the Rings (it's well known he created the LotR trilogy simply to have a world for the various languages he created for his own amusement). The strange, often alien, archaic terms and phrases used in FFXIV are an easy way to show the player that you are 'not in Kansas anymore' - you're in a whole other world.

Man, I wanna post something that's actually relevant to this, but I'd get banned faster than my head could spin.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ersus_english/

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

Oh, I've read the first post. I still find it stupid.

When a thread is largely useless (IE yours), you're going to attract snide and useless remarks. This isn't difficult to understand. The wording itself in-game isn't difficult to understand.

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wow dictating how ppl should play this game much? when it wouldn't even bother you? once again you like this game language not everyone else does everyone has their own opinions a lot of you are making it sound like some kind of "fact" that this game only makes sense to be played this way because you like it?

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

Plus, have you tried speaking it? It's quite amusing trying to pronounce half these words.

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ok so you find it funny pronouncing some of these words GREAT!

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ersus_english/

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I take your link and counter with my own
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-Dragonspeak

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Originally Posted by Zeirnaton

wow dictating how ppl should play this game much? when it wouldn't even bother you? once again you like this game language not everyone else does everyone has their own opinions a lot of you are making it sound like some kind of "fact" that this game only makes sense to be played this way because you like it?

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Come off it. It's not "playing" if you're reading text. It's not "playing" if you're complaining about something stupid on the forums.

if I wanted to play like the average player, I'd be too dumb to get past pre-nerf Vishap or even pre-nerf Twintania.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

I take your link and counter with my own
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-Dragonspeak

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So now we have to leave the game to find out what the content in the game means because its badly worded in English? The same problem Destiny has with its lore. All this extra lore but you have to go to their site to read up on it.

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When the EN Localization team received the relatively wordy Japanese lines for this scene, we felt that it would fit the character and his native language better if we localized it in a manner that seemed a natural fit with the dragon language I had created—that being something that was far more compact, but still contained the main core that was in the Japanese. And thus emerged the difference in the length of lines—EN being somewhat shorter than the JP. So fear not, for the content (while slightly jumbled up to accommodate the differences in grammatical flow between Japanese and English) is, for the most part, similar between versions, and Japanese users are not somehow privy to secrets lost to the winds of translation.

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Problem right there.

This conversation reminds me of a scene from the movie "Renaissance Man", Student asks the teacher, "Are you gonna translate this?" Teacher replies, "Why? It's in English."

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

Come off it. It's not "playing" if you're reading text. It's not "playing" if you're complaining about something stupid on the forums.

if I wanted to play like the average player, I'd be too dumb to get past pre-nerf Vishap or even pre-nerf Twintania.

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reading text in the game is playing the game, reading the games story making sense of it, helping you further dive into the game so you can "more?" enjoy it allows you to have a more satisfying feeling playing the game. reading a book is reading a book

playing a childrens card game part of playing said game is reading. how an you even say that reading the text in this game much less to any game isn't playing it?

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Originally Posted by Kisik

This conversation reminds me of a scene from the movie "Renaissance Man", Student asks the teacher, "Are you gonna translate this?" Teacher replies, "Why? It's in English."

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Generally a good teacher would make sure the student understood otherwise they wouldn't be a good teacher and just showing movies collecting a free check.

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

Generally a good teacher would make sure the student understood otherwise they wouldn't be a good teacher and just showing movies collecting a free check.

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A good teacher wouldn't be a good teacher unless he pushed the student to learn more. Easymode is not good teaching.

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Originally Posted by Zeirnaton

reading text in the game is playing the game, reading the games story making sense of it, helping you further dive into the game so you can "more?" enjoy it allows you to have a more satisfying feeling playing the game. reading a book is reading a book

playing a childrens card game part of playing said game is reading. how an you even say that reading the text in this game much less to any game isn't playing it?

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There's a reason why it's called "watching a cutscene in-game." You don't play text, you read it.

The word you're looking for is "immersion".

Either way, there's a hundred other things you can do right now than whine on the forums about something minor. Like, you know, playing the damn game?

I find it hilarious that one of my best friends in-game told me to stay away from the plague that is called the forums, but I'm here, and just like he said; it's filled with stupid.

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

So now we have to leave the game to find out what the content in the game means because its badly worded in English? The same problem Destiny has with its lore. All this extra lore but you have to go to their site to read up on it.


Problem right there.

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just because its vague doesn't mean the info isn't there

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

There's a reason why it's called "watching a cutscene in-game." You don't play text, you read it.

The word you're looking for is "immersion".

Either way, there's a hundred other things you can do right now than whine on the forums about something minor. Like, you know, playing the damn game?

I find it hilarious that one of my best friends in-game told me to stay away from the plague that is called the forums, but I'm here, and just like he said; it's filled with stupid.

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your being way to literal ever heard of playing a movie? and it doesn't matter whether or not you think its stupid or minor I'm not even sure why your even in this thread when the suggested outcome has nothing to even do with you

Because the suggested outcome is waste of time and money that could be put somewhere else.

Or do you not understand how this works?

Patches cost money, especially for consoles. They also have to go through certification and other such things.

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

Either way, there's a hundred other things you can do right now than whine on the forums about something minor. Like, you know, playing the damn game?

I find it hilarious that one of my best friends in-game told me to stay away from the plague that is called the forums, but I'm here, and just like he said; it's filled with stupid.

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The reason ppl stay away from the forums is people like you insulting others calling others actions stupid. In no way have I insulted you nor Zeirnaton but yet you and others resort to calling others basically idiots and off hand remarks instead of trying to have a discussion. People have a difference in opinions. But to resort to childish insults in a discussion that was said to be a minor complaint is just...childish.

There is no reason to be afraid of a discussion whether others get flared up its normal. Its what people do whether its on the forums or in real life. You won't agree with everyone. When you resort to insults it never ends well. It ends up becoming pointless with no contribution to the discussion in any way.

(this is Scarecrowjames Alt,...reached my daily limit for forum posting. Something Im not usually on.

What's his face from the Waking Sands, with the goggles. He's the worst. He's way too over the top. He'a not even old english, he's like pretentious about it.

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