Light or Full Party requirement for Workshop

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Originally Posted by kokorozashii

Just to confirm, that means if you have all crafts at a high enough lvl you can do ALL the handing in and just have the other 3 crafters just sit there until you're done?

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yes. You don't actually do anything. It's a turn in like provisioning guests for your gc or that one for the ixal. You get xp when you turn it in, not when the party does the craft. Also, the xp is given to the class you turn it in with, not the class that crafted it. For example, I turned in lumber or rivets with my LTW and the LTW got the xp.
To the small FCs, there isn't a good way to say this, so I'll be blunt. Make a few more friends.

Completely agree. After doing the real work, getting to rank 8, getting gil for the house and workshop, gathering/crafting mats, this light/full party requirement is just pointless. I have a small FC and enough friends to bypass this, but asking them to drop everything and come be a warm body for multiple steps is really pointless.

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Originally Posted by lordoftheapes79

yes. You don't actually do anything. It's a turn in like provisioning guests for your gc or that one for the ixal. You get xp when you turn it in, not when the party does the craft. Also, the xp is given to the class you turn it in with, not the class that crafted it. For example, I turned in lumber or rivets with my LTW and the LTW got the xp.
To the small FCs, there isn't a good way to say this, so I'll be blunt. Make a few more friends.

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What you are talking about sounds like ''retainers'' rather then friends. As mentioned before there is just zero reason to have this requirement there. I dont see the point. I could get 3 people to sit afk for me whenever I want, and I still dont see the point. I literally have to bug people to just sit afk. And do nothing, lol.

I also would have liked to at least receive a warning before purchasing the company workshop that is now useless to my FC.
But I'd be happier if this restriction was removed altogether.

I agree that this should be removed.

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Don't know if it's already been mentioned. But my friend had a nice idea. Instead of having the party be a requirement, make it so people that do these crafts in parties don't have to use as many mats or have higher chances to HQ things.

Three months excited to build airships, paying 800,000 gil, making the first phase to see that we can't do anything. And the other two alternatives are: annoy people each short time to be afk in our workshop or buy the pieces. Very frustrating.

Yes please remove it the stupidest idea ever...

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

If you don't mind me asking, what advantage is there in leaving this in?

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What advantage besides storage, do you have in a fc too small to form a party? I'm so confused. Must be an amazing friend.

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

What advantage besides storage, do you have in a fc too small to form a party? I'm so confused. Must be an amazing friend.

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My husband and I formed an FC with our two friends from 1.0 at the start of ARR. We are all rather introverted/socially awkward and don't easily make new friends, but we liked the idea of being able to have our own house at some point so we made our own FC.
Our friends from 1.0 last logged in 340 days ago. We now have too few members to make a party.

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Originally Posted by Nekomataya

My husband and I formed an FC with our two friends from 1.0 at the start of ARR. We are all rather introverted/socially awkward and don't easily make new friends, but we liked the idea of being able to have our own house at some point so we made our own FC.
Our friends from 1.0 last logged in 340 days ago. We now have too few members to make a party.

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Sounds like recruit or disband. That sounded mean I'm sorry. I understand the situation. But being isolated does not help make friends. I have friends and I'm not really friendly. If you have a house however I am fine with your choice. Disappointed in your isolation but I would not tell you what's best for you. My suggestion is branch out. I have many friends while I won't do much actual content with them because reasons they are all very nice.

Tiny FCs: This is unfair

Big FCs: THIS IS SUPER EXCITING WHEEE

I'm in a mid-size free company with a lot of crafting addicts and we were really thrilled at the idea of group crafting. It's something we were promised when 2.0 launched. We're giving everyone a few days to get through the story then we're probably going to start scheduling regular crafting groups.

I do feel bad for the tiny FCs, but weren't we also promised FC alliances in the future?

I don't think the system should be changed, the problem is in people's perceptions of a small Free Company. The developers expect a small Free Company to be 10 members minimum, not 3 which is why you need that many members to create one in the first place. This misconception is also why there is a housing problem because they expected more people in a guild. They expected people to make communities, not cliques. If you want to privately chat with two friends, there are link shells for that so if you've chosen to ignore FC requirements, Square Enix aren't at fault.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

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This is in no way group crafting though. It is group afk standing. It doesn't require other crafters to do anything crafting related and until it does, it's just a pointless gate. The mat turn in stage should be where the benefits of having a group comes in, not the stage that allows you to simply go forward.

As to the size of an FC, it takes 4 people to start a petition. Had SE wanted more folks in there, they would have enforced it. Even with 10 people, getting 3 more people on at the same time and asking them to come stand around for 20+ minutes (bigger parts have more phases) to do nothing, is really idiotic. I don't hate the idea of group crafting. I enjoy crafting and I welcome it. I hate the idea of group idling being thrown around as some crafting nonsense. That's lazy design. Require folks to actually craft multiple steps for an item if you want to call something FC crafting. Restrict the turn ins that 1 person can do.

Except for those in large FC's, this is a feature that is now doomed. Really SE, why design content that people are eagerly awaiting only to screw up the design so bad. It's completely artificial. There is NOTHING required of the additional members of the party. This is a feature that is designed so that those wanting to use it must find 3 other people to move their character to a particular place and go AFK. WoW! That is some exciting stuff!

Fire the designer, remove the restriction, move on.

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

Sounds like recruit or disband. That sounded mean I'm sorry. I understand the situation. But being isolated does not help make friends. I have friends and I'm not really friendly. If you have a house however I am fine with your choice. Disappointed in your isolation but I would not tell you what's best for you. My suggestion is branch out. I have many friends while I won't do much actual content with them because reasons they are all very nice.

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If only it were that easy. I am certainly not disbanding or selling a FC with a house I invested lots of time and millions of gil into. The few friends that I have made, I am in an LS with, and they all already have FC's of their own. The only other option would be to invite random FC-less people, and yeah... no.
I will probably ask people from the LS to help me out once the hype about the new content has died down a bit, but it just seems pointless to have the restriction, to be honest.

Edit: Also, to say you're 'disappointed in our isolation' is a bit weird... There are people who actually prefer to keep to themselves, you know?

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

What advantage besides storage, do you have in a fc too small to form a party? I'm so confused. Must be an amazing friend.

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Thanks! My spouse is amazing yes. My brother is a pretty good sort too. I have friends in linkshells, but they have FCs that they belong to and like the others above, I'm not going to pressure them to leave. Also like the others above, I have no interest in inviting strangers who may not even be on we need them or interested in helping if they are. And I really shouldn't have to defend myself in that regard to someone who's only goal is to be snarky.

We formed a Free Company and jumped through all the hoops to get access to stables and gardening before personal houses came out and I have no interest in abandoning my FC. As I said, SE like to do little bits of social engineering and I was pretty sure that consolidating small FCs was the real goal of the AFK crafter party.

It requires 4 people.

4. If you don't want to make friends, fine. There is no point in removing it just because you are insecure about making friends.

remember it's called COMPANY crafting. not SINGLE PERSON crafting.

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Originally Posted by Idioteva

I don't think the system should be changed, the problem is in people's perceptions of a small Free Company. The developers expect a small Free Company to be 10 members minimum, not 3 which is why you need that many members to create one in the first place. This misconception is also why there is a housing problem because they expected more people in a guild. They expected people to make communities, not cliques. If you want to privately chat with two friends, there are link shells for that so if you've chosen to ignore FC requirements, Square Enix aren't at fault.

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That's not really the issue here. You need to invite 3 other people so they can afk for a bit, and do this several times a day. Or you get all mats for one ship and invite them to be afk for a while. How is that group crafting?

People that want to craft the ship as a group would do so regardless of this limit.

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Originally Posted by Parryacg

It requires 4 people.

4. If you don't want to make friends, fine. There is no point in removing it just because you are insecure about making friends.

remember it's called COMPANY crafting. not SINGLE PERSON crafting.

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Except yeah, you know, its a single person doing the turn ins here.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Thanks! My spouse is amazing yes. My brother is a pretty good sort too. I have friends in linkshells, but they have FCs that they belong to and like the others above, I'm not going to pressure them to leave.

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congrats you don't have to pressure them this was posted like 2 pages back.

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Originally Posted by lordoftheapes79

My company just completed our first airship. Here are a couple things to ease your minds.
Only the party leader has to be in the FC. You can have friends from outside your FC help, without risking your mats. Second, there is no level requirement, so even if they're level 1 you can still complete it

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ITT: "A group activity that needs a group? HOW DARE YOU SE?!"

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

ITT: "A group activity that needs a group? HOW DARE YOU SE?!"

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Except, like people have said before, it's not a group activity. It's a one person activity with 3 people being afk.
I'm fine with having bonuses for being in a group, but at least let any FC be able to finish their airship parts, even if it takes longer.

What is the point of this requirement in the first place? Like what about this even needs a party to be formed?

Legitimately wondering, I know nothing about workshops.

Hello,

I made a topic on the Housing forum : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...03#post3051003

For everyone in need of help and, of course, ready to help in return! :)

You don't need to have the guest in your FC people ! Just invite a crafter in your party and let go !

How are people even defending this?
The design is so bad, like people have said, it only needs one crafter anyway. It hurts smaller FC's, where the members are probably closer to eachother than bigger FC's, and really excited to do things together.

Now to get around this I will need to bother random people, maybe pay them to sit around in my FC house. I don't even know if I want them inside my house, what if they steal stuff, or worse, SLEEP IN MY BED.

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Originally Posted by Adire

What is the point of this requirement in the first place? Like what about this even needs a party to be formed?

Legitimately wondering, I know nothing about workshops.

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it's just stupid ####$@@$ bullcrap and only the people who can't take a step without a full party are defending it. Some of us are in small Fcs and this is an FC activity - be it two of us, or 20. The requirement for 4 is crap and needs changed.

I wasn't being snarky. The truth is you want to be isolated in an MMO? That's fine. But expect to be left out of certain content. Nothing else to discuss really. As far as the gate it should require other people in group to do something I agree.

A GROUP is a GROUP - 2 or more is a group. And yes, my FC pal is all I could ask for , and more , for company. We do not want to be forced to work with other people in what should be a fun FC activity - this requirement is ridiculous, ugly and seriously pissing folks off. Yes, I am mad - yes, going to bed now. Nite forum people.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

How are people even defending this?
The design is so bad, like people have said, it only needs one crafter anyway. It hurts smaller FC's, where the members are probably closer to eachother than bigger FC's, and really excited to do things together.

Now to get around this I will need to bother random people, maybe pay them to sit around in my FC house. I don't even know if I want them inside my house, what if they steal stuff, or worse, SLEEP IN MY BED.

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Simple. People use fcs like linkshell. As we progress fc content you really expect it to cater to the delusion that fcs smaller than light parties should exist? Explain. Some of these fcs are nothing more then housing holders for one or two people which I'm pretty SE did not intend. But I degress, this is side bar content. A flying retainer so it's not a issue to remove the gate or make the gate actually make sense. But there will be future fc content and I hope it keeps requiring actual parties.

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

I wasn't being snarky. The truth is you want to be isolated in an MMO? That's fine. But expect to be left out of certain content. Nothing else to discuss really. As far as the gate it should require other people in group to do something I agree.

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Riiiiiiiiiight

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

Must be an amazing friend.

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<sarcasm>No snark whatsoever.</sarcasm> Had you left that bit out, I wouldn't have said that.

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

Simple. People use fcs like linkshell. As we progress fc content you really expect it to cater to the delusion that fcs smaller than light parties should exist? Explain. Some of these fcs are nothing more then housing holders for one or two people which I'm pretty SE did not intend. But I degress, this is side bar content. A flying retainer so it's not a issue to remove the gate or make the gate actually make sense. But there will be future fc content and I hope it keeps requiring actual parties.

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And if this was actual group activity and not the design they used, you may have a point. This isn't a group activity though, it's a gate and nothing more.

I'm not arguing that there is a work around to what is a poor design choice on SE's part. We're going to get all ingredients in place and then ping our LSs to borrow some folks for about 15 minutes while we get this done. I'm asking why put something in like this that requires a work around in the first place.

You answered that and it's the same answer I came to. They don't like micro-sized (10 and fewer) FCs taking up a housing plot. That was caused by a bad design in their housing system. Rather than taking the time to fix the root problem, they pulled this nonsense.

This forum will defend anything. If it's 5 in the morning and you wanna see how your airship is coming and if you need to add more stuff, you shouldn't have to group. That's stupid and says to me it's probably there because of how instances are done in this game.

I thought I would pop back again now that I've actually crafted an airship rather than just reading about it. Having had first hand experience, I can definatly see why the restriction was put in place because trying to craft a ship solo would be soul destroying.

It took me and two other crafters a whole evening to create our FC airship. This may not seem like much, but this is the most basic version of the ship where about a quarter of the mats could be bought from beast tribe vendors and npcs. We also spent around two million on timed gathering materials such as Darksteel nuggets.

That is just one airship down with three more to go and the material, time and effort required just getting harder from here on out. Yes you could craft an airship solo but I am sure it will end up as difficult as doing the whole relic line. Hell, I'm even going to be helping a small FC I have friends in complete their airship after how hard it was to do ours.

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Originally Posted by Idioteva

I thought I would pop back again now that I've actually crafted an airship rather than just reading about it. Having had first hand experience, I can definatly see why the restriction was put in place because trying to craft a ship solo would be soul destroying.

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My soul is my business and if I want to destroy it crafting an airship in my own FC I should be able to do so. As many others have posted, most of the airships are being done by single crafters with an AFK party anyway, just to get around this BS restriction.

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Originally Posted by Idioteva

I thought I would pop back again now that I've actually crafted an airship rather than just reading about it. Having had first hand experience, I can definatly see why the restriction was put in place because trying to craft a ship solo would be soul destroying.

It took me and two other crafters a whole evening to create our FC airship. This may not seem like much, but this is the most basic version of the ship where about a quarter of the mats could be bought from beast tribe vendors and npcs. We also spent around two million on timed gathering materials such as Darksteel nuggets.

That is just one airship down with three more to go and the material, time and effort required just getting harder from here on out. Yes you could craft an airship solo but I am sure it will end up as difficult as doing the whole relic line. Hell, I'm even going to be helping a small FC I have friends in complete their airship after how hard it was to do ours.

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From the experience of someone who did basically craft an entire airship on his own: its not that bad. :p
Keep in mind that airships arent really ment to be build in a day either.


I think the most soul destroying part was having to click turn in items for 15 minutes straight.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

From the experience of someone who did basically craft an entire airship on his own: its not that bad. :p
Keep in mind that airships arent really ment to be build in a day either.


I think the most soul destroying part was having to click turn in items for 15 minutes straight.

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Large airships are supposedly extremely complicated machines. In the Beast Tribe quests, it took the Ixal and their Lafafell engineer, alongside you, weeks to build just ONE.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

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Still wasn't snark, I meant it. Just staying in a fc to speak to one person has to mean they are amazing does it not? That's like having a club house as an adult..but no one except your one friend is invited. Sounds like its a amazing person yes? Well did they honestly have a choice but to pull this "nonsense"? People go crazy over the idea of losing their house to being inactive. I can only imagine the out-roar over losing it because your fc does not maintain enough members. Granted this was another bad design choice..and it's making me question whoever is putting these ideas on the table. But this is the situation currently and is a minor inconvenience. Anything you can solve through pf is a nuisance among our list of actual issues.

Okay, I have a few questions, as I'm having issues.
1) Where do you select to register multiple airships? I can't find it on the Flight Control Panel. I can dismantle our one airship, but I can't find how to construct our additional three. Do we have to rank it up high enough first? Do I need more than the 3 flight credits I have on hand? Do I need to research a particular thing first?
2) How do you repair airship components. Dark Matter Clusters maybe?

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

Well did they honestly have a choice but to pull this "nonsense"? People go crazy over the idea of losing their house to being inactive. I can only imagine the out-roar over losing it because your fc does not maintain enough members. Granted this was another bad design choice..and it's making me question whoever is putting these ideas on the table. But this is the situation currently and is a minor inconvenience. Anything you can solve through pf is a nuisance among our list of actual issues.

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It's bad practice though for them to try to cobble and Band-Aid the housing ward system (especially the personal and FC sharing space problem) though. This isn't even going to solve the problem. All that's going to happen is that it's going to delay my FC getting airship ventures started for a week, tops. And only that long because I really don't feel like doing the crafting blitz right this second. Rather be leveling.

They should try to get instanced housing to work later in 3.0 (personal airship-house! Floating in the sea of clouds! Make sure it has a gardening plot and stable on board. IT WOULD ROCK!) and then offer an incentive for personal house holders to relinquish their housing plots to jump to it. Free up the ward housing for FCs to take those spaces.

SE's design choices have FORCED most people into small FC situations. For 9 months Housing was ONLY available to an FC. A teleport to your personal FC chest / Summoning bell, personal house decorating, gardening, non-crowded Market Boards, privacy for couples / friends to do silly things together; there were plenty of reasons for people to want their own homes. I myself had turned my first home into a solo Crafting Store (including roleplay.) Free Crafting and Melding to my linkshell of 200 (but they had to show up at the shop =D.)

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Being in a large FC was pointless if you wanted to experience any of this housing content. Joining an FC in which you can't move furniture, garden, edit ranks, crests, activate the FC buff of your choice, or even access the FC chest? Housing isn't any fun if you can't play with anything.

Anyone that wanted to have a home to truly call their own were forced to make a small FC, rank it up to 6, and buy a solo plot (or with a few close players or static members who eventually leave or quit overtime.) Therefore, FC content should not be gated behind a system that requires four-player simultaneous log-ins. It was poor design from the beginning that led to this situation. Even with an FC of 20 members it can be troublesome having four players logged in at the same time of day and not /busy with dungeons or afk every single time you need some Workshop crafting.

TL;DR - The Gate needs to be removed. Poor housing design forced us to make small FC's to enjoy housing content.

After reading completely the 3.2 notes, they didn't notice about removing the Light or Full Party requirements for Workshop crafting phases?

Aw come on... Why not just remove the progress phase requirements and let us craft alone in workshop.

It's irritating to bother everytime asking them to come to workshop and craft a single thing, its not necessarily to get a party.