About 3.1 Relic

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Originally Posted by Cenebi

The entitlement in this thread is ridiculous. Do some of you seriously think you should never have to work for a better weapon ever again?

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No, we expect the work we've put into a YEAR LONG WEAPON GRIND won't be thrown away.

We fully expect to have to keep working to make it stronger than it is right now.

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Originally Posted by Cenebi

The entitlement in this thread is ridiculous.

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No it's not. Sorry but the effort put into relics should not be simply thrown away. I don't know what server you play on but there are tons of people just now completing their "zetas" and that effort should not be simply cast aside. One thing I do know is the "zeta" less crowd would simply love to see that. I don't think SE is quite that silly to make all those people mad. We'll have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

It amazes me people feel the need to have an advantage just because they mindlessly grinded for a weapon.

Does this mean FCoB raiders can feel the same way? "I cleared T13, so I want to have a head start for Alexander". Should crafters feel the same way too? Because that one would be fun.

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Just like every major patch, those who cleared top content will have a boost on the new content. You won't just walk into Ishgard and get handed 10 levels of exp and ilvl150 gear. You'll need to farm it up, and better gear means a faster/easier trip.

Crafting has probably been the worst in that regard, you had to be at the top tier for the last patch to advance to the new content, or spend millions on catch up.

I just hope that anything in the future is linked to worthwhile challenges over meaningless grinding of low level stuff to increase your ilevel to the max, which is confusing. We went from fun/challenging boss fights to face rolling trash mobs.
Also to your point, the feeling you are going through right now has happened to quite a few of us multiple times over the last couple years, it's disheartening and I hope they really fix the overall system.
Maybe with them finally getting ahead of the game, they can do more on oversight.
An old Example is Savage Blade and Skull sunder being pld/war cross class. never would you use them, but then keen flurry is lancer and yea we dont get to play with that misplaced skill.

I hope we will get some sphere grid (FFX) or licence board (FFXII), even the crystarium system (FFXIII) was more fun...
I mean: To future upgrade the relict stuff.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bH7d2GPK4v....37%252BPM.png
http://www.galbadiax.com/ff12/licens...fxii-board.jpg

That way the "old" progress can be done in 3.0 and its just a part of the whole board...

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

This is silly. I made a full crit/det relic and only spent maybe 2,000,000 on materia (This is when crit IV and det IV were both going for 600,000-700,000). You just have to spend your timedollars crafting and spirit bonding.

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I get how it works, thanks. You still melded at least 40 million gil not counting failures. Or are you saying your time isn't worth much and you want to do all that over?

I really don't get how Relic is getting 'tossed aside'. It's the best weapon you can have (after Novus) right now and will be until at least the first major patch of Heavensward. It's not going to be 'just for glamour' when Heavensward hits because noone's going to be able to start in on Mythic till around level 60 (if the Relic quest is any indicator) and we have no clue how long that'll take. All the masochism in this thread is disturbing. So far the weapons have been following the same trends as XI, with Relic and Mythic being different weapons obtained in different ways. Just be glad that they didn't go whole hog with them. Relic in XI required you farm Dynamis for ancient currency as well as synth difficult to craft weapons for use as fodder while Mythic needed you delve Nyzul Isle to it's deepest depths.

I have Novus right now and im debating whether to finish it but to be fair if I do finish it it wont bother me in the slightest when i get a new weapon in heavensward, NO ONE has forced us to grind these weapons it was completely optional and nobody OWES you anything.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I find it increadibly annoying that I won't be able to do anything for Mechanist that I will be behind no matter what on the Relic front in 3.1

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How will you be behind on the 3.1 relic when everyone is in exactly the same position? We don't actually know what completion of a Zeta will grant us; the common belief that it will give an advantage at the start of the new quest is just an assumption by players, it has never been stated by SE.

OP this thread has been created over and over. We get it, some people don't like the fact that their relics will be rendered obsolete in the expansion. It's mostly your own fault for believing it would ever be otherwise though; vertical progression expansions have to reset all progression for players coming into the expansion, else new players will never be able to catch up (which would generally mean few new players at all).

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

The problem is I highly doubt we'll keep our stats customization. It is unfair for new players that joined the game in Heavensward to have a relic with none min-max stats compared to other players that can. I find it really hard also to give the exact same item to a player that used his Zeta to keep his customed stats and another that didn't use a Zeta..

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I don't know if anybody else has replied to this, but I'm going to say something. It's not unfair to new people just joining with Heavensward. Because they can go back and do the relic quest. From my understanding all the steps are getting nerfed anyway. So it will give you something to do 50-60. I think it's more unfair to those who have put the time and gil into the relics. People who put millions of Gil into stats on a relic deserve to keep those stats. If you want bonus stats, do a relic. If you don't care for the extra boost then don't worry about it.

didn't yoshi say it will give a slight advantage to those continuing the expansions new relic quest?

http://lalafell.xxxblog.jp/archives/44667948.html

Maybe someone could give a better translation than shifty google translate lol

・ZW続編は本当にない。3.1から新シリーズ開始。
・苦労して作ってもらったものなので、新シリーズはZWをやっていた場合ちょっとだけ有利になっている。
・吉田もゾディアックウェポンを作った。

But just going off that notion you could imaging something like higher drops rates (atma/dungeon drops) or higher light collected as opposed to someone starting a new relic without a ZW. Or how about right off the bat they have people customize this new weapon and it goes through the same Alex/materia process the ZW peeps already went through, and obviously we will not have to do it again because we can just get a copy scroll... Millions saved right off the bat. IDK bout y'all but that sounds MORE THAN ENOUGH to justify having gone through the ZW quest...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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Completely unrelated to the discussion, but Avast has flagged me that this picture or the site it's hosted on is infected. Might want to link a picture from a different site.

I don't think it'll be so bad. To be fair, implementing a shortcut for people who did the first Relic was a bit of a surprise for me, and I don't think it's something they had to do. It's a gift, and I think that's good enough.

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But if all we get after spending millions of gil and countless hours into it is a "easier" start to the new relic grind then i will feel very sad indeed and most likely wont be going for the next relic.

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I always figured this is how the current relics would end. I mean, the progression of this game is VERY vertical, and it's designed from the ground-up to be accessible for new and returning players. It wouldn't make sense to continue the current relics and eventually build an access quest that would require new players to grind through the entire quest chain. By resetting the quest, the new relic remains accessible to people who start playing at HW.

For this reason, I only pursued a single relic, and I didn't spend too much on the uber 1337 materia for my stats. I had a great i135 weapon, and now I'll get to use it for a bit in HW, and then it will be a glamor piece... and I'm totally cool with that.

Lesson learned, though, for everyone else who saw fit to grind out multiple relics and dump millions of gil into them.

Let's look at SE's track record in FFXI. FFXI raised the cap many times but only three level caps ever mattered; 50, 75, and 99. Relics became relevant at 75 and most people were unable to obtain them due to the cost, people, and time required for said items. Mythics were made as an alternative and for newer jobs. Once SE said they were raising the cap again people were legitimately concerned that weapons that took millions of gil and man hours to make were now worthless. SE assured that relic/mythic would make a come back with an alternative in the form of Empyrean. Relic did in Fact make a comeback with the i119 gear as did the other two weapon forms. Relic and mythic are even easier now than they ever have been considering the loosening of restrictions on related events. In short....you have nothing to worry about. I guarantee that whatever the 3.0 relics end up being, that they will tie into the 2.0 relics.

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I guarantee that whatever the 3.0 relics end up being, that they will tie into the 2.0 relics.

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Yoshi-P has already confirmed that 2.0 relics will be completely replaced by new relics in 3.0. The only connection is that 2.0 relic holders will get head starts in the quest chain.

But that's the thing... nothing about this game's design hinted that relics would be handled in any other way.

People who are saying that it's an "entitlement" to feel like getting more than an easy start just dont wanna do the fucking grinding and get the same badass new relic.

Logic: I don't do work but i have rights to enjoy badass shit.

Sounds about right.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

The problem is I highly doubt we'll keep our stats customization. It is unfair for new players that joined the game in Heavensward to have a relic with none min-max stats compared to other players that can.

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I don't see the problem with new players having non minmaxed stats if they are given the option to fix it with a new sphere scroll later, like the current relics.

The title will not be optainable elsewhere, it's a part of getting a Zeta.

Also you get a nice glamour item. I'd rather have a pretty weapon glamour that not many people will have years from now than a relic continuation, honestly.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Also you get a nice glamour item. I'd rather have a pretty weapon glamour that not many people will have years from now than a relic continuation, honestly.

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Thing is, more than half of the zodiacs zeta dont look as good as nexus. Perhaps its just my personal opinion but... I turned in my nexus spairai for the weapon damag and stats, otherwise i would have kept the nexus

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Originally Posted by Thayos

Yoshi-P has already confirmed that 2.0 relics will be completely replaced by new relics in 3.0.

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Actually pretty sure it is said in 3.1 or 3.2, it will still be relevant come 3.0

And on topic true SE did not have to offer a "shortcut" which btw i don't think was even confirmed just speculation but they also did not have to nerf the questline either.
Some of us who did Relic before Pre Nerfs had taken over 4 months just for atmas alone, many many hours of fates, drop rates for dungeons were horrid (still are) so i can see how some can say "entitlement" but at the same time those calling those out most likely have only spend a fraction of the time for their relic. Some players took weeks, some months, etc.. The system was not at all balanced were as progression= Luck which i suppose was almost the same as those trying to get dreadwyrm weapons i guess. I think moreso it would just be a nice gesture should they gave those of us who suffered for relic, lol

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Completely unrelated to the discussion, but Avast has flagged me that this picture or the site it's hosted on is infected. Might want to link a picture from a different site.

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Ditto, I got the same alert.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Completely unrelated to the discussion, but Avast has flagged me that this picture or the site it's hosted on is infected. Might want to link a picture from a different site.

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I changed it.
Tell me please next time which picture, i avoided now to link on a gif.

AVAST is hyper active (sometimes) and tends to block whole webhosters...

As mentioned before the only giant "head start" ppl will get is probs having an i135 wep at the start of 3.0.
Cuz it seems pretty likely tht once u reach level 60, u'll be able to start the new relic quest etc.
But by then im almost certain that the zeta will be in ur inventory collecting dust/ used for glamour.
If a zeta less player obtains a 3.0 relic before zeta users than wouldn't tht make the headstart even more lol wtf?
Ppl r doing so much hopeful wishing based on wat yoshi said but... We got housing, ct raids etc and ofc not everyone will be happy. Might be the majority or minority with pitch forks this time we dunno.

Well regardless on whether or not Zetas will be thrown in the trash bin, how will the new relics fare in comparison? With Zetas having customized stats, I am pretty worried that the new relics will have garbage stat allocations that we can't control or will somehow be weaker than a Zeta in general.

Customizable stats allocation = if you want the best weapon, sell your soul to lord satan for materias IVs.


possible SE reply:

You've done that? Oh gee too bad, relic is going in the trash bin now.

Crying? Hella i don't give a damn. Yall buying heavensward or naw? we've got like dragon gals n stuff.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Well regardless on whether or not Zetas will be thrown in the trash bin, how will the new relics fare in comparison? With Zetas having customized stats, I am pretty worried that the new relics will have garbage stat allocations that we can't control or will somehow be weaker than a Zeta in general.

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I have a feeling that the base item level will be high enough to be an upgrade regardless of the secondaries. Warriors will will be forced to use a Parry/Acc weapon again, and Summoners will have to use more of that sweet, sweet Spell Speed.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I have a feeling that the base item level will be high enough to be an upgrade regardless of the secondaries. Warriors will will be forced to use a Parry/Acc weapon again, and Summoners will have to use more of that sweet, sweet Spell Speed.

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Which is fine for SMN in HW because Spell Speed will finally affect the potency of our DoTs. Bring on the Spell Speed!

I just could not be bothered to move past Novus on scholar because of what is happening and has happened. The relic is just busy work that might create a belittlement of the time and virtual money put into them, come expansion. I am glad Yoshi is keeping the newer players in mind - that's awesome. The rest of us that have gone through the relic pre-3.0 need to also keep that in mind from here on out.

I finished my zeta months ago. I got way more out of it than a slight boost for the next weapon. I disagree with the op entirely.

I could have sworn that the "head start" was jsut a rumor tht got passed around. Still can't find any remarks about relics other than they're coming in 3.1 and Zeta owners will be taken into consideration

Your prize is your weapon that you can use for glamor. Most people who start new in HW aren't probably going to farm a zeta.

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Originally Posted by mdha02

It's not unfair to new people just joining with Heavensward. Because they can go back and do the relic quest. From my understanding all the steps are getting nerfed anyway. So it will give you something to do 50-60. I think it's more unfair to those who have put the time and gil into the relics. People who put millions of Gil into stats on a relic deserve to keep those stats. If you want bonus stats, do a relic. If you don't care for the extra boost then don't worry about it.

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Totally agree.

For those using the "it's unfair to new players" card, how is it unfair? It's not.

By that token, it's "unfair" for new players that all of us from 1.0 and 2.0 have all our Jobs to Level 50.

It's "unfair" for new players that all of us that maxed out Crafting have all 50's in Crafting and Penta-Melded Crafting Gear.

It's "unfair" to new players that we start out with Final Coil of Bahamut gear and weapons.

It's "unfair" to new players that we have all of the Primal Mounts and Kirin. And all the Minions.

That argument is ridiculous.

New players are simply that: New. They are welcome to play FF XIV, and start earning / unlocking content, just like we did.

They can *easily* nerf the Relic Quest up until Zeta (simply steps, up the drop rates, reduce Light grinding requirements), and still retain the *feel* of unlocking and earning a Relic Weapon of vast power.

But to completely throw away the Relic (which was always a weapon that grew in strength and upgrades every few patches) is a complete slap in the face for all players who did the grind.

Yoshi P, I hope you reconsider the stance and seriously consider the enormous amount of time, gil, grind players have put in for these weapons in 3.1.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

But to completely throw away the Relic (which was always a weapon that grew in strength and upgrades every few patches) is a complete slap in the face for all players who did the grind.

Yoshi P, I hope you reconsider the stance and seriously consider the enormous amount of time, gil, grind players have put in for these weapons in 3.1.

Thanks.

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I have finished my relic on Paladin and have to say there was very little work required to get one of these it was very easy dungeon/trial farming for the most part. It isn't a slap in the face to players because got to use the weapon all through 2.0. None of the content you did to get relic was challenging at all which is why a lot of casual players have zetas. I welcome starting something new it doesn't have to continue from the same weapon we have now it honestly doesn't matter.

The current relics told a story. I'm not sure how much more "legendary" they can get. They go from "one of the weapons wielded by the legendary zodiac braves" to "one of the true weapons...". The story of these weapons is over. It's time for a new one, which isn't a bad thing. Retire the weapon, remember how much fun you had grinding atmas, and move on.