WoD Loot Needs Fixing

Also the fact that this game's difference between casual and hardcore difficulty is starting to become very blurred. SE is trying to make some kind of leveled ground with their heavy rng loot system. It forces ppl to play the instance over and over and over again if they ever want a chance at the loot but as days go by, the average skill level of ppl slowly climb. Which means ppl will be able to faceroll that content even faster because they r familiar with it. But that doesn't mean they r assured the drop. So technically in return for grinding ur eyes out, u become more skilled at that content to a point where u act like it's so easy. But again this doesn't mean u get ur dream loot for ur efforts. Yoshi is trying to make content last but the way he makes gear obtained defeats the purpose.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

How do people think RNG on EVERYTHING is ok...

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Because RNG also means that sometimes you'll get the drop you want on your first run.

No one ever complains when RNG gives them the loot they want on their very first try.

Oh boy, another week of nothing but maiming belts!

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

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Just because someone is happy to get theirs on the first run doesn't make it ok. Just because someone had to do the instance 99 times before getting it doesn't mean everyone else should. In the end it all boils down to the "mememe" attitude.

The arguments here seen to be that RNG is fair since it gives everyone the same chance. Yet it doesn't mean that everyone will get their loot, even if they complete the content numerous times. Lottery is also fair. It gives everyone the same chance of winning. Yet most of us never will, simply due to the whims of luck.

Token system for dungeon gear in addition to loot would also award effort with a chance to turn in the gear you want if you end up doing 20+ runs without the drop. Why not bring it? Mostly because people want to keep their illusion of prestige, having a "rare" drop that is mostly locked out due to RNG.

I don't think the two drops per chest would work too good. Granted there are seven other folks in your group so it would help all in term of getting drops, however what happens when it becomes a free for all. Those blessed by RNGesus would be need/greeding all the things.

Token system I think is a hard thing to make work. If you drop a gear piece and a token, how many tokens would be needed to get a piece that you desire? 1,7,20? Would they drop from each boss chest or just CoD? OR....make it part of the rare extra chest the drops from CoD that all 24 participants can roll on, then it could only be one needed. Can just feel the satisfaction!

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

Token system for dungeon gear in addition to loot would also award effort with a chance to turn in the gear you want if you end up doing 20+ runs without the drop. Why not bring it? Mostly because people want to keep their illusion of prestige, having a "rare" drop that is mostly locked out due to RNG.

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No it wouldn't. It rewards laziness because some people just want everything now without having to really work for it. Token systems take out real goals and real loot from the experience of running raids and dungeons. Most of the game is like that anyway with tokens. The loot chests are boring and drop mostly junk you don't need. WoD is fun because people need the stuff there so you are fighting hoping to see that big drop and when it does it's an awesome feeling.

People like you who just want everything now would happily ruin that as long as you get what you want it doesn't matter how everyone else enjoys the game. "Illusion of rarity" lol. If people wanted that they would be farming coils for the top tier gear in there. WoD gear is just an option for people who don't want to or can't farm coils for upgrades and gear. Honestly it's people with your attitude who are the ones who drop out a run when they don't see the drop they want on the boss and even if they do they got their gear and drop out. It ruins the fun and it's just greed and childishness.

I will say it is annoying to go through several runs and seeing only Maiming and Fending gear every single time. Sometimes the exact same loot from the same boss two or three times in a row! (Maiming glove or shoes whyyyy) It's pretty frustrating. I like the World of Darkness and I always complete my runs and eventually get my loot but I've never really liked spamming things dozens of times just to get a single item. I remember doing T1 about 70 times to get a casting ring because it dropped maybe twice out of those 70 runs and the other time I saw it, someone else rolled on it and won. Doing Syrcus Tower for Scylla gear one week was a nightmare... about 30 or 40 runs with nearly no healer drops, eventually I just gave up and ended up deciding to get the soldiery piece instead with tomes the following week because it was taking way too long to even see my drop in ST.

#Moon

How would it promote laziness? If it required a significant amount of WoD exclusive "tokens", 25 for example, awarded 1 for each completion, that's hardly "lazy". It would just be there to make sure no one gets the REALLY short end with the stick. And that's not just WoD, there have even been extreme cases with ppl doing T13 60+ times without a drop of their choice.

I try to make a point clear, and you attack my persona. Just wow. Fyi I'm the type of a person who runs low-roulette with the new tanks and dps when everyone else quits. I help out people grasp T9 even if they clearly are light years away from completing it. I don't look down on people for their opinions. I farm for stuff just like the next guy and don't have the habit of leaving runs even if I don't get my stuff of choice. Don't go making baseless assumptions when you don't actually know me.

If this is the general attitude on the thread, I'll just stop posting here with my inferior opinions.

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

#Moon

How would it promote laziness? If it required a significant amount of WoD exclusive "tokens", 25 for example, awarded 1 for each completion, that's hardly "lazy". It would just be there to make sure no one gets the REALLY short end with the stick. And that's not just WoD, there have even been extreme cases with ppl doing T13 60+ times without a drop of their choice.

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Farm for 3 days and get enough tokens to get all the gear then never need to do it again. Unless they had a token cap like poetics but then you'd probably be here complaining about that too. Loot being random has been part of MMO's for a long time i don't get why now you need everything handed to you on a plate. Actually why not just farm poetics and pick and choose the gear you need? "But oh Moondoggie that chest/hat/gloves/whatever is the best in slot for my class without upgrades that i can't get in coil" well then work for it if you need one specific piece. Wouldn't that be nice when you have been trying for ages to get something then you finally get it? Fruits of all your struggles? No? If i went 60 runs with no drop of something then finally got it I'd be stoked about that all day. That's how it used to be but somehow it changed and everyone needs to complete everything and get all the gear in a month or they don't like it.

4 Bosses, 42 items. = 11 and 12 items per boss. We have seen this before from other games. However those games have always dropped multiple items in the loot pool at once.

There are multiple obvious solutions to the current issue.

1) Drop 6 items that can be rolled on by the ENTIRE 24 person alliance per encounter with duplicates .

2) Drop 2 items per encounter that can not be duplicates.

3) Add at LEAST 2 more encounters to split the possible drops across more encounters.

Personally I would do both 2 and 3.

Either way, I understand why the way things are the way they are. It is to artificially elongate the content. However, this is going to far. When DPS classes can share priority AND the game can place 3 and 4 of the same job in the same party there is an issue when the loot pools are this extremely deep.

I feel for those people who never saw their loot from t5/9/13, I am one of them. However, if you look at the loot pool from 13 it is extremely small compared to 5 and 9. That is there for a reason. YoshiP&Co. saw there was an issue and made attempts to remedy it. Now we need them to see the inherent problem with WoD loot and remedy it as well. Preferably before WoD is dead content.

It took 28 fights with the 5 headed dragon before I even saw the Bard chest. I can understand the frustration. Especially when I see the melee chests drop nearly every run. However, I've have yet to see ANY tank gear...lol

I'm convinced there is no monk gear in this dungeon. Have yet to see any of it drop. I really want the monk chest piece, but I see bard pants in the last chest EVERY time.

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Originally Posted by Brill_

but I see bard pants in the last chest EVERY time.

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Then I do a trial roulette and a bard bow drops. SE is just trolling me now.

The loot system is very annoying. First week WoD was up, I kept playing it over and over with no Bard loot dropping at all. Started getting sick of FFXIV in general trying it so many times. Then suddenly on one of the runs I accidently must of hit greed for a Dragoon drop I had no use for, since I got it and that counted as my loot for the week.

After that I avoided WoD until it was possible to get loot again. Next week I played it to finish the Magus quest and got lucky with some bard pants. Told a friend the previous day I would play it with them the next day, so I felt obligated to even though I couldn't gain anything. The other bard in the group left as soon as he got the bard coat I had no chance of getting.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

It took 28 fights with the 5 headed dragon before I even saw the Bard chest. I can understand the frustration. Especially when I see the melee chests drop nearly every run. However, I've have yet to see ANY tank gear...lol

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And 28 times you probably dropped like every other Bard in there pre dragon XD.

There is a token system. At least be honest and just say that because not every piece is BiS that you believe the system should be rehauled.

It can suck not to get every drop you ever wanted, but there is solid alternatives in crafting and token pieces.

So what I see here is people are either too cheap, don't like the fact that the current token system just doesn't offer up BiS for just time invested and obviously rely too heavily on gear to get through content.

All i have seen all week has been Bard or healer gear actually. Thinking it will be like original Ct and take 60+ runs for a piece of gear, i am already almost halfway there.
RNG is just worst for some players is all OP

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

And that's not just WoD, there have even been extreme cases with ppl doing T13 60+ times without a drop of their choice.

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You do realize there are only 52 weeks in a year O.o

Unless Im behind I doubt you got 60 shots at getting gear in FcOB 13, tops I think maybe 13-15 , unless you meant T9 then ok :P

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

And 28 times you probably dropped like every other Bard in there pre dragon XD.

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And take a penalty? Uh no...

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Because RNG also means that sometimes you'll get the drop you want on your first run.

No one ever complains when RNG gives them the loot they want on their very first try.

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Because we usually go "thank freaking lord! Won't have to go back to this place again for an entire week." Especially after spending the first week trying to get something, but then biting the bullet and grabbing something we don't need.

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Originally Posted by Jamie28334

I don't think the loot system is as bad as some people make it out to be unless you obsess about the need of having to have the best stuff rather than enjoying the game and reaping the rewards as a bonus.

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Not entirely. I know I'll never have the best gear, but I will have the best that I can get. My SCH has all the Poetics gear, but in the process of upgrading into that gear I lost a LOT of crit moving from ilvl 100 to 120. Like seriously, a lot of freaking crit. The healing skirt in WoD would be a massive improvement for me, but all I see is DRG, DRG, DRG, MNK, Tank, DRG, DRG, Caster...... Never healer. But I see players running everywhere with that item on and hear complaints that that is all that drops in their runs.

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Originally Posted by Skyl1n3

Just did a WoD run.... 1 BRD drop and 4... yes FOUR, Tank drops... and there can only be maximum of 3 Tanks rolling!! ):<

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How did you get 5 drops in a 4 drop raid? And there can only be a maximum of 1 tank rolling since each party gets their own loot chest with no competition from the other two parties.

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Originally Posted by niwaar

1) Drop 6 items that can be rolled on by the ENTIRE 24 person alliance per encounter with duplicates .

2) Drop 2 items per encounter that can not be duplicates.

3) Add at LEAST 2 more encounters to split the possible drops across more encounters.

Personally I would do both 2 and 3.

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I would definitely prefer #3 out of those, or just make the raid a single chest raid. Have to clear the entire raid then all drops are in one chest. Prevents the whole "OMG, I should waited to roll on that" and reduces people bailing mid raid because their item didn't drop.

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Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

How did you get 5 drops in a 4 drop raid? And there can only be a maximum of 1 tank rolling since each party gets their own loot chest with no competition from the other two parties.

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That's how bad it is that I even forget how many Tank drops there have been... Over 30 runs and I've seen and rolled on only ONE piece of NIN gear (Legs from CoD), 50% of the rest is Tank, 20% MNK, 20% Caster and some rare DRG drops.

It's as if the game knows what you main therefore you ain't gettin' it.

Just logged from game because got tired of WoD drop table. All week, loot has been down right pathetic. Not "waaah, I didn't get what I wanted" but rather nobody in my alliances did. RNGesus has been finding the one class that ISN'T in your party, and that's the loot that drops. No Nin or Brd? That's what's gonna drop. No one wants to waste their weekly roll, loot goes to waste. First 2 times, you can sum it up as s#it happens, but 5, 6, 8 straight runs? multiple days? That's some of that billy-jack bulls#it.

Unless I'm mistaken, in Coils, loot was indeed random, but it was random for whichever classes your party compromised of. eg: No Brd drop if no Brd in pty. Why isn't/wasn't the CT raids like this?

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Originally Posted by Urtear

Unless I'm mistaken, in Coils, loot was indeed random, but it was random for whichever classes your party compromised of. eg: No Brd drop if no Brd in pty. Why isn't/wasn't the CT raids like this?

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You're mistaken. It's pretty common to see loot in Coil for the one class nobody plays, for weeks on end even. With a weekly lockout on clears, it's entirely possible, if "unlikely," for an entire static to go months without a substantial upgrade to their gear. In effect, you can be held back on gear progression for reasons totally unrelated to player skill.

OP doesn't know what random means. If you flip a coin 29 times and each are heads, the 30th still has a 50/50 shot of being heads.

Assuming there is no drop weighted more than others (example: healer and mage), you have a 1/7 shot of it dropping. Talk to the people that did 50 AV for their zodiac drop about their supposed "1/9 shot on the drop." Talk to a crafter that NQs @ 99% or fails 45 straight 11% chance melds.

It's random. Every time it doesn't drop does not increase the chance the next time.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

or fails 45 straight 11% chance melds.

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Or 25 times 45% chance meld



Or 10 fails in row on 70% chance action on crafting (pretty sure everyone even slightly into crafting knows this one)
/wave
/me

But yes, there should be a "3 tokens for a item, 1 token per week+weekly loot" or something similar could be all right. Or just let us farm those 30+ (because we have nothing else to do...) WoD runs SE.

Or getting NQ with a 98% chance of HQ (I've had this happen so many times. Any time I do not get 100%, I automatically assume I'm screwed)

If I want a piece for my PLD, I know I need to play my SCH. With forever queues for tanks, I find it faster to greed on every tank piece I see with my healer than even trying to tank this place. And if I queue with a premade, I only see BRD/NIN and healer gear dropping. I want my chest, it's been 3 weeks now x.x
On the bright side, I got the minion. She's awesome.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

Oh look another RNG didn't work for me, fix it for ME NOW thread. You wanted to farm for one specific drop knowing the odds would not be in your favor.

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lol, love this Cyoung! Why not just come with a shopping cart. When I do Wob, I want BLm gear I get Whm gear. RNG I take what I can get.

I missed three 98% Umbral's on the same node/attempt in south shroud last week. -_-

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Originally Posted by Aurora-Pendragon

If I want a piece for my PLD

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I know the feeling. Though I'm trying to gear a DRG alt, I would personally like to see ANYTHING but Scouting/Ninja stuff EVERY. FRIGGIN. DROP. And non Ninja in the party, ever. Hence, wasted drop. Because some of those fights you suffer through, depending on players. Suffer and have nothing to show for it other than a repair bill. 5 back to back runs with literally all Scouting gear falling, something's got to give here. This is supposed to make people wanna run WoD more?! More like make people say fuggit instead.

After 50+ runs I finally saw the BRD Chest drop. But unfortunately the other Bard who already had 120 gear on from head to toe got it. Now that is very frustrating.

Wow, you guys sure have a lot of time to waste. I usually run WoD 3 times and then, if I can't get a loot that I need in those 3 runs, I just take the first thing that I can use... Did this since the first CT and eventually completed all the sets I wanted lol.

RNG. The first item of loot I got was the ARC/BRD chest piece from WoD :/. Not trying to brag, but it is all RNG. I have yet to see much BRD gear lately though, just the chest piece and the belt for me XD.

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Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

I would definitely prefer #3 out of those, or just make the raid a single chest raid. Have to clear the entire raid then all drops are in one chest. Prevents the whole "OMG, I should waited to roll on that" and reduces people bailing mid raid because their item didn't drop.

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I really like that idea, one chest after the Cloud.

The only pieces I really want are the healer hat and boots.
The only time I saw them was on a Monday after I crunch time rolled the MNK hat,seeing both of them during the run immediately after when helping a friend through it.
I ain't even mad.

It IS a very good idea to clump up all the drops to the end of the dungeon to help take out the "Oh my god I shouldn't have taken that one thing out of desperation" feelings.
I also wonder why Alliances can't trade any of their drops between them. If we can do a majority vote to kick people, why can't we do a majority vote to give something everyone is passing on to another party in the alliance?

The problem with WoD isn't RNG, it's the fact that they have unusually huge loot tables - 11 pieces a chest. All that NIN gear!

last day before reset on any weekly lockout.. take what you can that may be of use. its that simple.

im after the tank chest this week ill run till sunday night a few times a day if possible. if I don't see it or I start to get bored ill take some bard loot of a dif piece of tank gear.

I like taking bard into these kinda raids though, although I main blm, but I don't need the blm gear.

anyway point is when its down to the last day you take what you can get for any other class if need be if its useful, if you don't see something at all then that's tough luck, chance you take running for something specific.

Ok here is the problem, current loot system RNGs the possibility of there being some job that there isn't or decides loot based on all 3 groups. Also when we are talking about gearing, i would like to be able gear as fast as i want, every single 1 weekly loot or weekly tomestone cap annoys me. Overall i would like people to be able "poll" changes in game, to help improve game for us, afterall we pay monthly, so we should be able to decide.

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Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

The problem with WoD isn't RNG, it's the fact that they have unusually huge loot tables - 11 pieces a chest. All that NIN gear!

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First and third chests have 10 pieces and the second and final chests have 11.