PLD Novus: Parry or DET?

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

You have all the tools to deal good damage

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Not every player has these "tools", no.

By "tools", I mean "10-15 million gils to spend into 11 points of Det which won't make a difference in practice for almost every PLD in the game".

The cost of the weapon and the overall usefulness of the stats are something to take in consideration when planning a Novus. Going full on "theory craft mode" is silly.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Not every player has these "tools", no.

By "tools", I mean "10-15 million gils to spend into 11 points of Det which won't make a difference in practice for almost every PLD in the game".

The cost of the weapon and the overall usefulness of the stats are something to take in consideration when planning a Novus. Going full on "theory craft mode" is silly.

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It does not take "10-15 million gil" to deal good damage. 11 Det has a very small role in your total DPS output.

Yes the tools are easily available.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Not every player has these "tools", no.

By "tools", I mean "10-15 million gils to spend into 11 points of Det which won't make a difference in practice for almost every PLD in the game".

The cost of the weapon and the overall usefulness of the stats are something to take in consideration when planning a Novus. Going full on "theory craft mode" is silly.

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Cost of a weapon is definitely a concern in a real life scenario. However, melding DET until you hit tier IV materia and filling the rest out with Crit is still better than Parry.

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

It does not take "10-15 million gil" to deal good damage. 11 Det has a very small role in your total DPS output.

Yes the tools are easily available.

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You said:

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

[...]your job should be staying alive, tanking the boss and putting out as much damage as possible.

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You were not just talking about "doing good damage". You said "as much damage as possible".
To do that, you would need to max Det.
If you were to do this, right now, on Cerberus, melding only your Det IV would cost you around 10M.

So, I don't agree with that at all.

But I do agree with your last post regarding simply dealing "good damage" and the fact that 11 points of Det is too tiny to make a big difference on a PLD total DPS.


You probably didn't wanted to use "as much damage as possible" quite literally.

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

Cost of a weapon is definitely a concern in a real life scenario. However, melding DET until you hit tier IV materia and filling the rest out with Crit is still better than Parry.

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That wasn't my point.
I just said that spending millions on Det IV to get 11 points of Det isn't something everyone can afford, and won't have a big impact on your DPS anyway.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You said:You were not just talking about "doing good damage". You said "as much damage as possible".

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If they can't afford the 11 DET then wouldn't that be out of their range of possibilities?

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

If they can't afford the 11 DET then wouldn't that be out of their range of possibilities?

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When you say "your job is to do as much damage as possible", one can obviously understand that as "maximise your damage output to do your job properly". Hence "max Det".

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Originally Posted by Fyce

When you say "your job is to do as much damage as possible", one can obviously understand that as "maximise your damage output to do your job properly". Hence "max Det".

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He's correct. You should max DET. Whether you care to take the time to do it is up to the player. But you should if you have the means. Spirit bond a set of i70 a day and you Kk have enough det IVs in a couple weeks with another 10 mil from selling other materia.

You should also go beat T13, and get the i135 Sword if you want to be that stupidly to the point on what he said.

Seriously, use some reason... Were all just saying Parry is worthless in here, and that Paladins should be doing more than just being a walking "HIT ME" bag.

Money is not the crux if the issue. Acc, crit, det, and never touch tier iv is what you do if money's a problem. Not do parry. That's the point. Parry should never really be on the table and being broke doesn't change that.

Parry:
*has very little defensive effect. 11 points roughly 1% increased chance to block 25ish% damage. That means 11 parry is about 0.25% damage reduction. 110 frigging parry is about 2.5% damage reduction. Oh and did I mention it does zero for magic? And zero of the m9nsters isn't hitting you? 110 crit is about a 5% increase in dps and ALWAYS works. Oh did I mention that putting on a shield waters down that 0.25% even more (depending on block rate). Parry is bad on war. It's HORRENDOUS on pld because shields are litterally stealing parries value.

Parry is really, really, terrible. If you can't afford tier 4 then don't waste what little gil you do have on a terrible stat.

DET

*partyhat*

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

He's correct. You should max DET. Whether you care to take the time to do it is up to the player. But you should if you have the means. Spirit bond a set of i70 a day and you Kk have enough det IVs in a couple weeks with another 10 mil from selling other materia.

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There is not a single encounter in the game where these particular 11 points of Det are mandatory on a PLD and/or would make a noticeable difference on the outcome of the battle.

You really can't justify spending that much time/gils on Tier IV Det for a PLD Relic for such a mediocre increase in DPS.

It's just a matter of OCD satisfaction and theory crafting... which make absolutly no difference in the actual game since it's not built around gear checks at all.
The fact that a single lagspike during the fight can completly nullify the benefits of these stat points is quite enough to say that they are absolutly not worth the invesment.

In theory, they are. In practice, absolutly not.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

In theory, they are. In practice, absolutly not.

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In the world of secondaries which yes have little meaning DET is by far the best.

You can go an entire fight and not parry an attack. You can go an entire foght and not Crit once.

How many groups have wiped to t13 under 1%?? The answer is most groups wipe at 1% before clearing. Add 11 det across 8 party memebers and you are getting real close to clearing.

Nothing requires any secondaries but if you are going to build a weapon over 3 months shouldn\\'t it be the best?

Materia cost very little gil since you can farm it. I didn't do max DET right away but redid my scroll after a month. If you farm your own materia you will come out WAY ahead.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

In the world of secondaries which yes have little meaning DET is by far the best.

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Yes, Det is the best secondary stat. I never said otherwise.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

You can go an entire fight and not parry an attack. You can go an entire foght and not Crit once.

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Yes, RNG sucks. I never said otherwise.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

How many groups have wiped to t13 under 1%?? The answer is most groups wipe at 1% before clearing. Add 11 det across 8 party memebers and you are getting real close to clearing.

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Good question. Really. How many groups wiped to T13 at under 1% because their PLD was lacking 11 Det? Besides, just give that PLD the i130 sword. It's better than Excalibur anyway.
As I said, theory is a thing, practice is another.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Nothing requires any secondaries but if you are going to build a weapon over 3 months shouldn\\'t it be the best?

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The Relic weapon should be the best... for the content you are doing. Only a very few people of the playerbase are actually involved into very endgame content. The vast majority of PLD will never need these 11 points. Never.
So, spending a month grinding for gils/materia for something you'll never have a use for is not very smart.
My answer then would be no, the relic should not be the best weapon ever. It should be *your* weapon, and you should make it to fit your playstyle.
If the content you're doing doesn't require you to optimize your stats, then doing it anyway just for the sake of it is pointless... and FFXIV requires very little stat optimization.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Materia cost very little gil since you can farm it. I didn't do max DET right away but redid my scroll after a month. If you farm your own materia you will come out WAY ahead.

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Yes, you can respec your relic. So, it does make my point: don't aim for the most expensive build right off the bat just to get 11 points of det you'll never have a use for.
Does it make the grind for gils/materia worth it? No. At least, not for most players.


tl;dr: Almost nobody need to spend 10-15M for 11 points of Det which won't change anything anyway.
If a PLD want to put Crit or Parry instead of these 11 Det, it will more likely change absolutly nothing... so telling him/her to max Det anyway will just result in play time being wasted.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Money is not the crux if the issue. Acc, crit, det, and never touch tier iv is what you do if money's a problem. Not do parry. That's the point. Parry should never really be on the table and being broke doesn't change that.

Parry:
*has very little defensive effect. 11 points roughly 1% increased chance to block 25ish% damage. That means 11 parry is about 0.25% damage reduction. 110 frigging parry is about 2.5% damage reduction. Oh and did I mention it does zero for magic? And zero of the m9nsters isn't hitting you? 110 crit is about a 5% increase in dps and ALWAYS works. Oh did I mention that putting on a shield waters down that 0.25% even more (depending on block rate). Parry is bad on war. It's HORRENDOUS on pld because shields are litterally stealing parries value.

Parry is really, really, terrible. If you can't afford tier 4 then don't waste what little gil you do have on a terrible stat.

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Just to drive this point home!

T13, the only meaningful attack you can parry is Flatten, which you will likely block more than you parry anyway.
Ack Morn is Magic, as well as the 3-1 Flare Breaths after the Phase 1 and 2 Flattens.

So, with Flatten itself aside, you can only parry Bahamut's auto attacks. 1500~ Unmitigated on a Paladin in Shield Oath.
Bahamut auto attacks you roughly every 4 seconds for 9 Minutes and 45 seconds of the fight. (estimating for while he is using flatten, Flares, and Earth Shaker, Flare Stars..)
That adds up to around 150 Auto attacks in total. (if we assume he will reach the enrage flare.)
So his auto attacks will hit you for 225,000 Damage. (Unmitigated)
5625 is Baseline parried. We are expected to parry at base 10% of those attacks for roughly 2.5% of ALL the damage to be mitigated.
The best possible Parry set adds 217 more parry than the best possible DPS Fending set. Which is an additional 2.82% damage expected to be mitigated.
Which adds up to an additional 6345 damage to be mitigated over the 9 minutes and 45 seconds of Bahamut attacking you.
The best DPS Set gives you 138 Crit Rating and 71 Determination more than the Parry set.
So is it worth it? Would you trade 8.8% Crit chance and 71 Determination(21 Strength worth) for 6345 damage mitigated over nearly 10 minutes? (That's 10 DPS FYI)

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Originally Posted by Fyce

The Relic weapon should be the best... for the content you are doing. Only a very few people of the playerbase are actually involved into very endgame content.

So, spending a month grinding for gils/materia for something you'll never have a use for is not very smart.

Does it make the grind for gils/materia worth it?

telling him/her to max Det anyway will just result in play time being wasted.

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I severely cherry picked from your post, but I'm responding to those points.

If said player is not doing end game content, then WHAT is that player doing trying to get the Relic fully upgraded? Oh, maxing out to get the best weapon available to them!

That being said, I would ALWAYS say that if this is the best weapon available to me, I would want it to be at it's absolute best, since it is the end all be all for the current content available.

What else do you spend said gil on? Glamours? Honestly, the Gil factor is not all that important when this is the "best" weapon available to you.

Someone tried to test the parry ---> parry rate transform in my server. It seems the 5- 10 points parry will increase 1% parry rate. Of course, it is not really accurate.But what we can get from that is the parry points will provide a very decent number to your parry rate.
Back to this topic.
In my opinion, the parry still is really useful in some specific situation. ( For PLD)
1. Add phase, adds' auto-attack speed much higher then boss. So the Parry is really useful.
2. Some instant high damage attack. Such as the flare breathe in T13. Sometimes the flare breathe is in your CD duration, sometimes not. And it causes a really high damage for you when it is not in your CD duration. Though you cannot parry the flare breathe , you can parry the auto-attack to minimize the damage. Parry will benefit PLD much more, if the incoming damage is higher ( such as the T13 boss auto-attack ). If you parry the auto-attack during flare breathe, it will help you healer a lot.

3. We can see that many mechanics in Fcob are physics damage, such as earthshaker, bennu's straight line AOE. Parry is useful to mitigate those damage, too.
4. Multiple attacks to single target, such as Bahamut's claws. Parry is really useful that kind of mechanic , too.
Currently , I only found these advantages of parry.

For determination. I think it always is a good stat for tank. Since the new coil always request dps check, determination is really good to increase DPS for pushing boss before enrage or 3 bennus or bennus in T12.

In one word. I think both are really good stats. How to choose them totally depends on different players.

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Originally Posted by TomCatMew

2. Some instant high damage attack. ... Though you cannot parry the flare breathe , you can parry the auto-attack to minimize the damage.

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3. We can see that many mechanics in Fcob are physics damage, such as earthshaker, bennu's straight line AOE. Parry is useful to mitigate those

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First, if parry saves you on the 1-2 autoattacks during Flatten+Flare, you were in worse shape than you think. If you didn't have cooldowns up for whatever reason, you have failed somewhere as a tank. If you're referring to the single breaths boss does at points in the rotation: not a big deal. It's a healer check. Stoneskin yourself if you're that paranoid about it.

"Many mechanics" is a really vague way of putting it, and the examples you gave are pretty awful.

Earthshaker - PLD is virtually never going to be hit by this unless you are off-tank or choose to Cover a melee. You will take one hit at worst in P4 if you suck at timing.
Bennu line aoe - What line aoe? Just dodge. If you mean just the Bennu itself, it doesn't hit that hard.

Autoattack crits are largely negligible. Yes T12 boss crits for a ton, that's about the only time it really matters and it's not something you can really control.

Better way of tackling parry vs non-parry is the same way you tackle cooldowns: what am I using them for? Big hits or otherwise healer-intensive moments (adds).

T10
Can parry Critical Rip, adds (except Crackle Hiss)
Cannot parry Charge, Crackle Hiss, or mechanics.

T11
Can parry Resonance, Secondary Head, and Main Head
Cannot parry missiles/gas (doesn't really matter)
Cannot parry adds

T12
Can parry Revelation, Bennu stuff
Cannot parry Flames of Rebirth, Brand passing (doesn't really matter)

T13
Can parry Flatten, Earthshaker (doesn't really matter), Death Sentence, most adds
Cannot parry Flare Breath, Tempest Wing, Akh Morn

Parry is almost useless in 13, and is pretty meh in 10. You can make a case for it in 11 and maybe 12.

Putting a Stoneskin on yourself at opportune times is better than relying on a Parry in most cases.

From a healer perspective, I wouldn't want my tank to stat parry (or go out of your way to stack it). 2-3% additional mitigation over the course of the fight doesn't mean a lot. Someone did the math above, its a few heals you are saving, that can't be relied upon to happen when it is helpful. For the things that actually kill tanks (spike damage), even if it can be parried, I can't rely on it. Cooldowns, stoneskins and precasted heals still need to be applied. Having parry means nothing to me in terms of easing my healing.

Failing DPS checks are very real. From random DF groups to pushing content... You want to save me a heal or two and save my mp? Kill the damn thing faster.

If money is an issue (it was for my Novus). Do a tri spec of crit, det and acc. Then change later if you want to add more crit and det.

So i get there is a big fuss about if you should take DET or Parry on your second stat. But did I get it right, that primarely Acc should be maxed first?

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Originally Posted by Talec

So i get there is a big fuss about if you should take DET or Parry on your second stat. But did I get it right, that primarely Acc should be maxed first?

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Yep; you'll never hurt yourself by having Accuracy on your weapon. Having to lower the iLvl of your weapon slot to add accuracy hurts far, far more than any other slot, so it's best to prepare to never have to do that.

I have healed tanks who stack parry and tanks who stack crit/det and how easy they are to heal is entire dependant on their CD rotation; their secondary stats are irrelevant as far as how squishy they are.

For all tank crushing mechanics you pop a CD for anyway. Your healers know when damage is coming and precast that heal anyway. No one ever says "I didn't pop a CD for that Revelation because I have 600 parry." Autoattack damage is laughable in all turns so it isn't worth the dps loss you take giving up crit/det.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

First, if parry saves you on the 1-2 ```````````n a Parry in most cases.

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I think your opinions are reasonable, but I want to mention my points again.

About that single Flare Breathe.
In 2nd phase. After Bahamut cast Flare Star, he will auto-attack MT twice then immediately Flare breathe. I don't think Paladin can SS themselves before the single Flare Breathe since the 2 times auto-attack will interrupt the cast.
And yes, as long as Sch cast a adlo on you, you don't need to worry about that.
More importantly, I didn't mean Paladin should stack parry for surviving from mechanics. I just want to mention that the parry can help Paladin to minimize the damage.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

First, if parry saves you on the 1-2 ```````````n a Parry in most cases.

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Yes, it is true that in a perfect run paladin use CDs correctly, and healers do their job best, most damage are negligible. The parry definitely is useless.
However, we are human but not machine. Everything could happen during the fight. More and less, Anyone may mess up in a fight. Yes, you can just wipe it till your group do a perfect run. But who knows that run probably will be your 1st clear.
(Short Story)In my group 1st T13 clear. Ninja died in megaflare in last phase( i think he was too close the ring) . And both healers didn't have swiftcast, Sch was trying to resurrection. After the earthshaker, I got the tempest wing damage, then healers should heal me up before I took the Flare Breathe. For some reasons, healers didn't heal me up in time. Sch gave me lustrate but it was too late. I took the tempest wing damage and I parried an auto-attack. I had 170 HP left, then lustrate healed me up.
If I didn't parry that auto-attack, I would die. And the akh morn would kill the Warrior. Probably we couldn't beat it.
I know it sounds ridiculous and full of rng. But it was my 1st clear.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

First, if parry saves you on the 1-2 ```````````n a Parry in most cases.

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99% parry doesn't mean you can parry every physical attack.
1% parry doesn't mean you cannot parry any physical attack.

Yes, parry is a poor stat that cannot promise anything.However, I think the parry's benefit is invisible. I'm hard to feel that benefit in the raid, but actually I still think it helped Paladin to minimize the damage. No one know whether we can parry the attacks or mechanics with lower parry rate. It is full of rng. But I would like to trust 30% parry rate but not 10% parry rate. And I believe the 20% will help me in raid. And I think the stats selection is different with dealing mechanics. I don't think we should talk about how to cast SS or pop defense CDs correctly to belittle Parry. Parry is a stat, but not your in-game skill. You can be a good paladin with perfect mechanics dealing and a good tank's dps in raid. The parry is just a stat that can benefit you. Whatever you want the determination or parry to benefit you, it totally depends on you.

My PLD gears are based on the Determination. I'm trying to change most my parry gears to Fcob gears having determination.
However, for the 3.0 new raid. I plan to stack parry as much as possible in my group first 1-3 weeks progression.

In one word. I just want to say the parry is not useless like shit.
Because parry is just a stat, I believe no one rely on parry to survive from mechanics, but it can benefit paladin during the fight.
It is rng stat, but it doesn't mean useless. We can craft a HQ item in 10% HQ rate, but I believe every crafter still will try their best to get the HQ rate as high as possible.


I don't want any parry for the Fcob now. But recollecting to the first 1-2 week in T10,T11,T12 and T13. I still think parry helped me a lot.

Thanks your reply, I learned many new things.

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Originally Posted by TomCatMew

99% parry doesn't mean you can parry every physical attack.
1% parry doesn't mean you cannot parry any physical attack.

Yes, parry is a poor stat that cannot promise anything.However, I think the parry's benefit is invisible. I'm hard to feel that benefit in the raid, but actually I still think it helped Paladin to minimize the damage. No one know whether we can parry the attacks or mechanics with lower parry rate. It is full of rng. But I would like to trust 30% parry rate but not 10% parry rate. And I believe the 20% will help me in raid. And I think the stats selection is different with dealing mechanics. I don't think we should talk about how to cast SS or pop defense CDs correctly to belittle Parry. Parry is a stat, but not your in-game skill. You can be a good paladin with perfect mechanics dealing and a good tank's dps in raid. The parry is just a stat that can benefit you. Whatever you want the determination or parry to benefit you, it totally depends on you.

My PLD gears are based on the Determination. I'm trying to change most my parry gears to Fcob gears having determination.
However, for the 3.0 new raid. I plan to stack parry as much as possible in my group first 1-3 weeks progression.

In one word. I just want to say the parry is not useless like shit.
Because parry is just a stat, I believe no one rely on parry to survive from mechanics, but it can benefit paladin during the fight.
It is rng stat, but it doesn't mean useless. We can craft a HQ item in 10% HQ rate, but I believe every crafter still will try their best to get the HQ rate as high as possible.


I don't want any parry for the Fcob now. But recollecting to the first 1-2 week in T10,T11,T12 and T13. I still think parry helped me a lot.

Thanks your reply, I learned many new things.

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THIS, SO MUCH THIS.
Thank you, TomCatMew, for posting this. Finally someone who has the same thoughts as I. Being all alone on the german Forum, who stil believes Parry isnt worthless crap, its good to find someone else. Cheers

Just going to go over some points RE: Parry's benefits in progression.

- Firstly, parrying is great. When it procs on a tank buster you can really see how great parrying is. As a universal example, with average mitigation and an adlo (potentially + a stoneskin), a parry can make Death Sentence hit for 0. That's insane! I think, for everyone (at least early on), we saw the benefits of parrying something, realized we're a tank and mitigation is kind of our thing, and started stacking the stat Parry.

- So, I'd like to preface the rest of my opinion with something I think holds true no matter how you slice it: Secondary Stats are minimal increases in either damage mitigation or damage output (or healing output). You will see very little return on anything you invest in because that's how they're meant to work. If, as an example, you were to stack STR for accessories you would see a large increase in your DPS. Stacking DET and/or Crit will not give you the same results. This always holds true as every time main stats go up, secondary stats go up in the same manner. It's also hard to find perfect pieces that compliment your desired secondary stats (det + crit is hard to come by, parry + det equally so). So regardless of how anyone feels about Parry (including myself) if you do stack it you're not somehow at a significant disadvantage. You WILL parry more but as a result you will do less damage than if you stacked Det or Crit.

- In terms of scaling, Determination scales the best and is the most consistent. I feel like the debate of Det vs Parry shouldn't exist simply because of how reliable Det is - they're not really comparable. To an extent it's even better than Accuracy as Det has no cut off point (but of course you'll want Accuracy to the cap if you're doing any Coil level content). Parry vs Crit is a different story, however. Both don't scale that well (at least compared to Det), but as a result you get a lot more of both of them on each gear piece. Crit is inconsistent in terms of how much it increases your crit rate on each encounter and Parry is inconsistent in terms of how much it increases your parry rate on each encounter. This of course begs the question: Which is more important?

- The main issue with stacking Parry is because of it's inconsistency. As I stated in my first bullet point, parrying is amazing in terms of damage mitigation (which is a tank's main job) but your healers can never, ever rely on you parrying a big attack. The most you'll save for them, potentially, is one Eos/Selene Embrace and that doesn't cost any resources. As healers have said in this very thread, they've never seen the effect of someone actually stacking Parry and auto attacks do minor damage to begin with. Crit is in the same boat as Parry to an extent, but when it works it always has the same result: more damage. Nobody else has to rely on you critting and it just naturally happens (whether you stack Crit or not).

- I actually forgot to mention one Secondary in my previous points and that stat is Skill Speed. For WAR, this is a great stat until you reach the cap for 9 hit Berserk and then it just becomes decent. For PLD it has no real benefits outside of faster GCDs, and PLD already suffers from TP starvation if you don't get enough Shield Swipe procs. I'd avoid this stat as PLD for progression, personally.

I personally think for Coil content: ACC (to cap) > DET > CRIT > Parry > SS (SS valued higher for WAR, above DET even, until 9 hit Berserk cap then it falls down to where I've placed it here). However, I also think that you should just take what you get and not bother with secondary stats - they're not that great and they do very little for you. Accuracy for Coil is really the only one that is actually needed, the rest is all just preference (SS is very helpful for WAR as I've stated before, but it isn't 100% needed). I've said this since 2.0, I don't think BiS is as important as people make it out to be. The DPS/mitigation increase you get has always been minimal at best; This isn't like FFXI or WoW or something where you actually get large benefits (sometimes even important effects) from getting BiS. I really wish it were, but people get really anal over secondary stats and they're just... so irrelevant. Hopefully 3.0 will change that, but for now I'd just stack whatever you want and don't listen to anyone else's opinion because who caresssssssss.

The truth of the matter is, if you are not going to be raiding in a top world guild you probably don't need to worry about it. If you are a min/max type of player regardless of your progression(which is nice I guess) then sure go with the det and the most damage, it can never hurt.

Just pick the best scenario for yourself. if you have gil to spend and want to spend it then go for it. if you don't want to spend the gil and just move on to the next round of your relic that's cool too.

The game is supposed to be fun, and if putting out an extra 20 dps makes the game fun for you, do it, if it doesn't then don't lol.

In the end no one will notice, and even putting extra det doesn't mean you are a better player.

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by TomCatMew

I had 170 HP left, then lustrate healed me up.
If I didn't parry that auto-attack, I would die. And the akh morn would kill the Warrior. Probably we couldn't beat it.
I know it sounds ridiculous and full of rng. But it was my 1st clear.

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Slow heals and DPS failing at mechanics does not make a stat better. You could have easily blocked/parried that same attack with the base rates.

You can pop Rampart+Conva before the single breath in phase 2 and it last through flatten. Makes healing that a joke. The 2nd one I just HG.


Parrying/Blocking an attack is not worthless. Stacking parry is worthless. (besides hardcore progression, maybe)

Ok. my weapon is finished. I did

max Accuracy and Rest Parry for Shield
Max Determination and Max Parry for Weapon

thank you all for your thoughts. This stat distribution worked for me and I call it "semi expensive". A middle way between quality and GIL-Management.

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Originally Posted by Brightsayge

The truth of the matter is, if you are not going to be raiding in a top world guild you probably don't need to worry about it. If you are a min/max type of player regardless of your progression(which is nice I guess) then sure go with the det and the most damage, it can never hurt.

Just pick the best scenario for yourself. if you have gil to spend and want to spend it then go for it. if you don't want to spend the gil and just move on to the next round of your relic that's cool too.

The game is supposed to be fun, and if putting out an extra 20 dps makes the game fun for you, do it, if it doesn't then don't lol.

In the end no one will notice, and even putting extra det doesn't mean you are a better player.

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Kumabear76

And this, by far, is the best post in this entire thread.

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True. Given that SE has managed to reasonably stat the various armor sets I think the difference between any option of secondary stats is tiny.