Do new players miss out on certain things that vets got to experience?

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

There is a nerf SE added called Echo
Which is basically a buff for players who suck. And unfortunately you are not gonna get to see the old content when it was hard because most people are overgeared and the echo buff.

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This is a matter of opinion.
There's a buff to players called Echo that makes doing old, outdated content that gates newer content that people are actually doing easier for players, as well as taking gear out of the equation and allowing players to focus instead on mastering the mechanics of the fight rather than worrying about their stats.

Shouting for hours in various zones to get your full party together for Chimera and or Hydra. :rolleyes:

When Praetorium was spammed for philo/myth.

I would definitely say new players don't get to experience the same content in the same way veterans did.

New player's skill curve is much more inclined because of how the Hard Modes go, I heard Garuda Extreme is a damned mess now...

I wonder why... Garuda HM dies without even rotating...

It actually hurts me whenever I roulette and I see a soldiery bonus.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

There is a nerf SE added called Echo
Which is basically a buff for players who suck. And unfortunately you are not gonna get to see the old content when it was hard because most people are overgeared and the echo buff.

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Uhhhhh....yes you can, click off the echo buff. Problem solved.

And judging by your join date, you've only seen the echo buff, so you must be one of those 'players that suck' huh?
Seriously no reason to degrade people because they need some help.

The only real difference is in the difficulty of the trials and how long it takes to move past them.

As mentioned, it's pretty painful to watch people steamroll Garuda HM before her mechanics even shift. As for Echo, people moan everytime it happens, but the top trials of the current update are always difficult enough to last the vast majority of FFXIV's population. Echo still really doesn't do anything for fights with unforgiving mechanics like Titan, and people will wipe Twintiana to death and back regardless of how fast the phases shift.

On one hand, it's kind of sad for fights like the HM primals to be reduced to a zerg rush for newcomers, but on the other hand, Thornmarch EX, Leviathian, Ramuh, Shiva and T6-13 did not exist when I was that level, and although they now have echo as well they're still completely unique fights.

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Originally Posted by Riviere

They might bring it back one more time whenever Lightning Returns releases on PC.

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It must come back so I can get special LVL13 daggers for my RGE/NIN (who would they have modeled them after anyway?)

Also, OP. LoTA is gonna be tough, Q times are pretty bad atm for that, at least on Behemoth. ST is soon to follow.

The only thing i guess u can say that u actually missed out on is when every ran around looking like their actual jobs
(I.e whms wearing the iconic whm robe, drgns tht actually have drgn like armour, plds looking all knight like etc )
Everyone's job was so easy to distuingish. But now the new gear from coil, tomes, raids, crafting make ppl look like clowns, cyborgs, allagan furniture and stuff u "can't even".
And then there's glamour....
At least we'll get another chance in 3.0 before we all go magitek mode power rangers again.

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Originally Posted by Synestr

It must come back so I can get special LVL13 daggers for my RGE/NIN (who would they have modeled them after anyway?)

Also, OP. LoTA is gonna be tough, Q times are pretty bad atm for that, at least on Behemoth. ST is soon to follow.

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oh my god please just let her die

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

The only thing i guess u can say that u actually missed out on is when every ran around looking like their actual jobs
(I.e whms wearing the iconic whm robe, drgns tht actually have drgn like armour, plds looking all knight like etc )
Everyone's job was so easy to distuingish. But now the new gear from coil, tomes, raids, crafting make ppl look like clowns, cyborgs, allagan furniture and stuff u "can't even".
And then there's glamour....
At least we'll get another chance in 3.0 before we all go magitek mode power rangers again.

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All of the gear on this game looks amazing, in a general sense. I see more people wearing their appropriate gear than glamour stuff in this game

All you've really missed that you can't experience again in some shape or form is the end of the world and all the other pre-2.0 events. All the other events are either available in an altered form (nerfs to dungeons) or will come around agains (seasonal events). They won't be exactly the same but the flavour, as it were, is there.

(also, Lightning/Shanttoto will probably return again)

Chimera pre-"take that b**** uphill", and you actually needed to interrupt the voices.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Well in a sense, no. The fights of the past are not as difficult and enthralling as before, but they're still there.

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You don't need T7 to be full of 1-hit kill to be enthralling. The enthralling stuff will always be the latest content and getting thru those, and there will always be latest content added for that. Heck titan EX is still tossing people off the platform over and over but enthralling old content is just an oxymoron.

The true relic grind!

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Originally Posted by Galliano

The true relic grind!

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that was in old FFXI.

I miss the AK gnats lol

You mean that thing most people ignored to burn down the Demon Wall?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

You mean that thing most people ignored to burn down the Demon Wall?

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You mean the bees, and you couldn't afford to ignore them unless you were already over-geared for the fight.

With regards to the OP, other than seasonal events no content has been removed from the game. All story content, dungeons, quests, gear sets and fluff content is still there to enjoy. The only difference will be that the more difficult of the older battle content has been made easier to help people catch up.

Like others have said all of the same content is there, just things are bounds easier now.
Dungeon nerfs, Relic drop increases, etc.
* I also miss Demon Wall Pre-Nerfs, it was frustrating at times but fun :)

They were Gnats!!! Not Bees!!! lol

Man, those were the days. AK runs were the stop-gate. If DPS couldn't hack it then it was time to continue to farm for gears. Many a time a group fell apart there. Sadly those checks don't exist anymore, all Duties are lvl50 with iLVL below what most currently have. They need to make a set of duties that are i120/30+, give us a challenge again, with just rewards.

/teleports to Moh Dhorna
/shout LFP CM SR

Runs the bloody CM for 50 times for full DL set

Grinds Garuda HM for the weapon if not will get kicked from Titan HM groups.

Those days.

You miss out on past metagames.
For old content, people will expect you to skip cutscenes and not go in blind.

I miss Ultima casting "Ultima spell" in castrum...
Or when we used to finish castrum with some secunds left because gear did not allow to burn boss so fast...

Lol the feeling you got when you first beat Ultima, after wiping a few times. Then getting to cool down on "extra last boss" after ultima. Had a group actually wipe to him once early coz they figured all was done and a few people engaged him....it.was.hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Azper

Well, you won't have seen the evolution of Revenant's Toll. I fondly remember when it used to just be a heap of dirt and rock pretty much. Very different from how it is today. Beyond that, though, I don't think you've missed anything else noteworthy.

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Originally Posted by Woggers

Mor Dhonna being built up is probably the biggest thing IMO.

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While you can no longer see it for yourself, we've made sure to document the changes.

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Originally Posted by Atomnium

Using thunder I in your rotation as SMN.

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Now there is something I really do miss.

T5 when it was unbeatable!

Very much so.

My wife keeps saying in garuda light grind parties.

Oh how old am I, I remember when we went around the center 3 times before we killed garuda.

Sadly on that note, I would say garuda Normal is almost harder now then HM

Personal Housing.

We did last week for a FC member the whole relic quest from chimmi to titan and we did it all the "proper" way. People went "oh serious" at garuda (hiding, killing plumes) but once we did it even with the all OP DPS of i115+ bard and co (though i think some even held back just to show the full mechanics) we took half a round to beat her so no 2nd adds but we shown the fight like its meant to be :D

But yes the main things newer players miss out are all the wipes to content that now is "easy" aka Titan HM, Garuda EX, Pharos Sirius, T1-5,.... and the amazing feeling after your first kill... and all the echo (even if u may click away) and the nerfs do their big part to this missing :/

Yes new players miss how it was like without the vanity system cause now you can just change the gear to make it whatever you want it to look like, before it was oh you don't like the look of the armor too bad that what you stuck with.

Yes new players will miss out on some things. As stuff gets old very few players run it anymore. Trying to find a T2 -T5 group on my sever is a pain (took 3 hours). Good news for newer players is NONE of the OLD coil will be needed to enter the new Endgame Raid.

I think there is only one important thing new players will miss.

And that is the feeling we got the night the servers went down, and for the first time the entire player base saw the King of Dragons; Bahamut burst from the false Red Moon... then saw him begin to destroy Eorzea as we were cast away and left helpless.

Sure you can watch the CS now... but its not the same :p

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Originally Posted by Kanexus

I started playing ff14 a month ago and im at level 36. So far im having a blast playing it. There was maybe 3 or 4 patches that introduced new dungeons and storylines to see. As a new player will i be able to experience all these dungeons and storylines? With the new patch coming soon they are adding more dungeons and storylines as well. What im basically trying to get at will I experience or will I just receive the current ones. Will they appear on the game as quest or will i have to do some googling to find them?

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The only story line you might have missed was the one that occurred in the 1.0 version (Even I missed it since the game royally sucked back then and I could not be bothered with it), but you can see those fights and cutscenes on YouTube. The rest of the stuff is something you can experience in this version, unless, of course, you end up with a bunch of people trying to rush you through the dungeons. :)

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Originally Posted by Synestr

Man, those were the days. AK runs were the stop-gate. If DPS couldn't hack it then it was time to continue to farm for gears.... Sadly those checks don't exist anymore...

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They just moved those checks to stuff like Captain Madison in Sastasha or 100K needles in Qarn. So many wipes from people in the first week. Of course now, people are mostly overgeared so it is not an issue. The "stop-gate" always exist, just moved to latest content, they don't need to be in old content making trouble for newer players trying to catch up.

The more it change, the more it stays the same. There is nothing that newer players are essentially missing in FFXIV. And it is no big loss that atma drop rates have improved, because it is now there are more steps to do to get to the iLevel 125 weapon.

killing millions of coblyns in 1.0

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Originally Posted by FranSeara

Trying to find a T2 -T5 group on my sever is a pain (took 3 hours).

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In "good old days" finding random groups for coil1 was way more hard than now.

Its in my eyes a big mistake of the people to think, they should begin forming a static when they reach the actual content.

I see many new players running around on Odin and in my opinion, these people should begin to form a static group before they begin to raid at all, instead of pugging through older coils and think people in actual coil are just waiting for them.

Form a new static with all the new players out there and I'm shure, the result will be ways better than trying to pug through t1-9 and finding a group after that. Thats the way it should be done and we have done it as first coil was actual content.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

in fact the only coil people NEVER, EVER do is t3. And that's because it's worthless.
T4+5 and all of SCOB are still done regularly.

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T3 is the best Race To The Finish zone in the game.
Sometimes I like going with a full party of 8 PLD and seeing who can get there first/survive it.

While there may not be ingame rewards, it's still super fun.

Sorry , missing the point,. I was helping new members to my FC. We couldnt finad ANYONE to run T1 to T4, with using PF or DF. We even offered to PAY people to help out. Also, not everyone has time to form statics. Its not lazy, its REAL life. Point being is the first Coil is almost died now. Good thing is NONE of the old coils will matter anymore.

Pretty sure the Lightning returns event could be listed here as there a whole thread dedicated to it of people saying they want it back cause they missed it.