Heavy-Status... can you please remove it now or respond about it?

Fact of the matter is that the ability is annoying and serves no purpose other than frustration. You aren't going to die, you aren't more likely to die, and all that's going to happen is you're going to miss a FATE you wanna do and piss you off just that much more. It's grind for the sake of grind. I know people hate it when WoW is mentioned, but a similar ability was in place for a long time until the devs removed it. They agreed how pointless the ability was when mobs casted it.

I lost count of how many threads I posted in which people asked for heavy to be removed, I don't get why nothing has been done about it. Its such a terrible way of making the game ~feel difficult~ when all it does is get me so angry I kill every mob out with a few holies ugh

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Fact of the matter is that the ability is annoying and serves no purpose other than frustration.

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i can tell you the purpose.. the purpose is that you actually deal with mobs in the openworld.. and when its too hard not run into monsters its definatley your problem and lack of attention..


openworld monsters already became trash mobs... in 1.0. they were much harder.
Plus there are many abillities that can "disturb" you... paralyze, slow, blind, silence, ranged attacks etc..

Hell do you know how many times ice elementals get on my nerves in some of the leves?


Then we could end up cutting out all abillities from the game as well.. because they "frustrate".


next step after this:

Who needs aggressive mobs in the openworld anyways? because openworld content is "pointless" anyways for you?!
sorry, but you guys get on my nerves.

Yoshi P. said about the openworld mobs, that he wants them to be "trash mobs" because thats the way people want it to be... and thats why there are dungeons for etc. which i think also is kind of sucky..

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next step after this:

Who needs aggressive mobs in the openworld anyways? because openworld content is "pointless" anyways for you?!
sorry, but you guys get on my nerves.

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Ignoring what's actually being said in the thread and following it up with a slippery slope fallacy is not going to impress people. People are complaining that heavy is a completely ineffective way to make people deal with open world mobs. This is especially true once a player acquires high ilvl gear, but it's also noticeable as a fresh 50. Many of the people in this thread asking to do away with heavy are suggesting alternatives, not just asking for it to be removed with no replacement.

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blah blah blah you're bad learn to avoid mobs like i can by taking an infinitely longer route

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This is not 1.0 and never will be again so why even bring it up? It was a failure and the vast majority of systems that made it a failure were removed. Why hold onto a archaic mechanic? Other games simply remove this because it interferes with fun, ya know, what a game is supposed to be about. Why force people into dealing with the mobs? They drop trash and no gil....you actually have a net loss when dealing with them compared to avoiding them. Secondly, some mobs you just can't avoid or have 360 perception. It isn't needed and is simply there to be an annoyance. Oh no, I'm slowed and might take a few hundred hp dmg before my health auto refills anyway.

Get rid of it. Trash mobs shouldn't be casting that anyway, leave it to hunts, etc.

I'm actually one that believes the dangers of 1.0 are a great loss to the open world, which is now inhabited entirely by forgettable trash mobs, at least in 1.0 the Garlean fortress felt like somewhere you did NOT want to be at alone, It felt like the Garlean army was a real threat to us.

Now? now I could solo their entire fort in a matter of moments on any level 50 job, its pathetic what lengths they went too so people didn't feel like the open world was actually a threatening land and worth paying attention it. I'm not saying dying every 10 feet is fun, but the fact I can walk in and decimate single handedly a heavily guarded Garlean fortress... is just laughable, am I suppose to be afraid of our "Main enemy" if the entirety of their armor can be done in by a lone SMN and a few DoTs? What about all the "immersion" people clamor about? How immersive is it that our greatest foe, the looming threat the entire storyline, can be trampled by the dumbest of adventurers all by themselves.

There's a lot of experience lost when everything you face is "pointless trash" in an MMO... Every open world mob is just pointless trash. People just want instant convenience, they want to just run from point A to point B like their mini map and quest markers tell them, ignoring everything in their path and blazing through it as fast as possible to unlock the next instanced dungeon full of trash mobs and trash loot that gives you points. People hate that anything challenging can exist in an MMO, especially if it means they actually have to watch there they walk instead of hitting forward and tabbing out to netflix. But....

I am of the belief that the gravity/weight effect is nothing but a nuisance. Its SE trying to have their cake and eat it too with the Baby's-First-MMO open world, if you want people to deal with monsters, make them worth dealing with or make them not trash tier so that players actually care where they walk and how they traverse the landscape, make them interested in knowing the paths to take or wanting to defeat the enemies (gil, bringing back useful drops in an open world?)... If you don't want them to be fought, then don't bother us with mechanics like mount weight when all it will due is infuriate us enough to demount and 3-shot the annoyance, then remount... This doesn't make the world feel more dangerous, it doesn't make the enemies feel like a threat or feel more alive and useful, it just makes us angry that we're know weighed down for 20 seconds because some insect buzzed to close to our ears, and now we must squash it.

I'm soap boxing here, let me get to the point., So, I'm all for an open world that feels threatening, as it should, because Eorzea is a dangerous place these days, but I'm not for trivial half-hearted attempts at feigning "peril" such as the weight effect. The Weight effect is a meaningless hassle that does nothing to enrich the experience of the open world. If you want people to care enough about your open world, give them a reason too... pestering them with an action that forces them to slow to a crawl or fight an enemy thats no more a threat to you than a level 1 beetle... probably not the best solution.

The easiest way to not get heavy status is to stop charging your way through areas aggroing everything.

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Get rid of it. Trash mobs shouldn't be casting that anyway, leave it to hunts, etc.

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That's literally not even how it works. They're not casting heavy. It's merely the effect of what happens when something hits you in the back while mounted. It can happen from any mobs, at any level.

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Ignoring what's actually being said in the thread and following it up with a slippery slope fallacy is not going to impress people. People are complaining that heavy is a completely ineffective way to make people deal with open world mobs. This is especially true once a player acquires high ilvl gear, but it's also noticeable as a fresh 50. Many of the people in this thread asking to do away with heavy are suggesting alternatives, not just asking for it to be removed with no replacement.

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yes and many people find it a dumb idea of some dumb people who are unable to avoid monsters if they dont want to get attacked?!!

and be honest... as if you get "heavy" effects all day long in this game... dont be a clown, seriously..

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This is not 1.0 and never will be again so why even bring it up? It was a failure and the vast majority of systems that made it a failure were removed. Why hold onto a archaic mechanic? Other games simply remove this because it interferes with fun, ya know, what a game is supposed to be about. Why force people into dealing with the mobs? They drop trash and no gil....you actually have a net loss when dealing with them compared to avoiding them. Secondly, some mobs you just can't avoid or have 360 perception. It isn't needed and is simply there to be an annoyance. Oh no, I'm slowed and might take a few hundred hp dmg before my health auto refills anyway.

Get rid of it. Trash mobs shouldn't be casting that anyway, leave it to hunts, etc.

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oh god... dumb down the game even more. its people like you why we have openworld trash mobs..


and yea... you can rush through the beastmen tribe outposts without any harm... to the primals crystals... if you dont get hindered by any monster skills.


and you know for me a RPG is about openworld also.. sad enough that they destroyed it mostly now.. secondly a rpg is for me that there are different styles of skills..

such as snare dds, dds, sleep, root, stun, paralyze and crowd control.



and why is paralyze much less pointless than a snare effect (heavy)? it disturbs you also right?! so why not removing ALL monster skills... or no.. lets remove all openworld monsters.. then you want be "disturbed" anymore... from moving from one FATE to an other :ugly:
and then we have a much more dumbed down openworld which we already have.

you people make me actually sick. if something is slightly uncomfortable it has to be removed. I really hope that the dev team wont listen to you people, EVER. a game should be played how the dev team wants it to be... and not the players..

and you guys mentioned WoW as an example... is WoW really that what FF14 should aim for in many points?...
avoid monsters (and by the way not all have a heavy skill...).. and you want ever have a problem. end of discussion.

or just dont leave the cities.

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you people make me actually sick. if something is slightly uncomfortable it has to be removed.

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Gawd, it's like people here actually want to play games to have a fun and enjoyable experience without needless and non-challenging forms of frustration. What sorcery is this?

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Gawd, it's like people here actually want to play games to have a fun and enjoyable experience without needless and non-challenging forms of frustration. What sorcery is this?

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for me a RPG has something to do with immersion... and when you can rush through primal beast tibe outposts to the primals crystals... yea there is no challenge for a new lv 50 character if he doesnt get hindered by groups of monsters in ANY WAY!

how cant you get this either?!

then i ask you:

- how many monsters actually do have a skill that gives you an heavy effect? (10%?)
- just open your eyes and avoid monsters and dont run into groups of monsters


problem solved.. last rule is quite common in many games i'd say... by the way you just have to watch for red dots on your mini map. but i think thats too much.


and i dont believe you that'd be okay if the openworld mobs would be a great danger. YOU would be the first one who shout for a damage nerf, because they dont drop shiny special loot. rofl*

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Problem is, people wouldn't mind all this if the world was actually dangerous but, even as dragoon who has paper def, I can still stay idle for 5 minutes with mobs attacking me and won't die (not kidding, once I went to wash my dishes while hunting mobs for my animus book, when I came back 10 min later I was being attacked and my life was only at 50% >_>)

What you say is half true half false, however I do agree with your vision of how the open world should be as I too kinda miss the challenge, but current mmo are all about accessibility unfortunately :/

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Fix is coming in 3.0
Yoshida promised a much more dangerous open-world, where Heavy can mean "fight or die" I hope.

Also imo def should get halved while mounted with heavy an the needed dmg to get unmounted should be lower.

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whine whine whine.

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And it's people like you who make me sick. Look dude, it goes both ways. There is nothing immersive about being hit with a heavy debuff which can be constantly refreshed by that same mob AND new mobs thereby just frustrating you to no end. I don't understand people like you who want to make things more tedious for everyone then get on their soap box to whine about why they're right, close their ears off, and refuse to listen to anyone else who doesn't share their opinion. And as for the WoW thing, they must be doing something right to last this long. Devs make a game based on what they want and not players want? It was called 1.0 and it flopped. The MMO scene has changed and with that the devs must evolve to what the general gamer wants. Find me 10 people who say the heavy debuff adds any sort of immersion to the game and you'll have found 10 white knights who's noses are so far up the devs asses their nose is perpetually brown.

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then i ask you:

- how many monsters actually do have a skill that gives you an heavy effect? (10%?)
- just open your eyes and avoid monsters and dont run into groups of monsters

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100%, actually.

And I'd love to see a video of you running through Zahar'ak without aggroing a single archer or caster to the primal stone.

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cry cry for nerf

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Heavy effect indeed has nothing to do immersion. but for me "its pointless" to have beast tribe outposts or something like this.. when people can run through it... and that being about it..

there is no challenge at all then. and yea for a new lv 50 player it can be some kind of challenging to arrive for example at Titans crystal in the kobolds mine.. and yes it can also be a danger for them.. i saw some dead people there already.


And i dont believe you, its a complete ugly lie... "if the monsters are dangerous then it'd be ok".... this is a complete lie... as i said the next thing you would shout for is a damage nerf... because it is "pointless" to fight monster that dont drop you a shiny special item. you are these kind of players who do content because they get the next reward... and the type of player who wants to get all handed over..
and i repeat myself again... its too much to ask for OPENING your eyes and avoid monsters...

plus the fact that maybe only 20-40% of monsters do have a heavy skill or ranged attacks..

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100%, actually.

And I'd love to see a video of you running through Zahar'ak without aggroing a single archer or caster to the primal stone.

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some people in this thread who have the opinion of removing "heavy" also say its "pointless" that monsters do have ranged attacks..

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Fix is coming in 3.0
Yoshida promised a much more dangerous open-world, where Heavy can mean "fight or die" I hope.

Also imo def should get halved while mounted with heavy an the needed dmg to get unmounted should be lower.

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that'd be great actually ;)


but prepare for the next "nerf whining thread" here.. because openworld monsters are "Pointless" (they dont give rewards)

I don't entirely disagree with Tonkra here, but I think Tonkra is just forgetting theres a difference between adding a meaningful and enjoyable experience to the open world... and adding a "band aid" to make it feel like its more dangeous than it actually is. Mount Weight is nothing but artifical fear, its a jump scare, nothing else. Its worthless as a means to anything meaningful. I support adding a danger to the open world, Mount heavy is not that danger. Its a pointless effect. If they want these places to feel dangerous, give them danger. Mount heavy isn't going to make me die, I can completely ignore it and survive with no sweat at all, it just slows me down and annoys me. Its not danger, its a nuisance... there is a huge difference.

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Every monster can inflict mount heavy. Its a % chance on hit, and you dont build resistance, and every time it procs, it applies it again at the full 20 seconds. Dismounting does not remove it either.

As far as avoiding enemies... Most times its simply quicker too plow throw them and getting mount heavy, cause to avoid them would take longer than just walking through. The weight is nothing but a mosquito bite. Its not dangerous, it adds no enjoyment to anything, and its just annoying as hell.

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I'm done trying to argue or reason with you. You continue to stick your fingers in your ear and refuse to listen to any other argument than your own. If you like tedium, great. Don't force it on others or chide others or insult others ability at a game. You have continued to make wide assumptions on everyone who has posted against you in each post you make. Good bye, good day, good riddance.

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for me a RPG has something to do with immersion... and when you can rush through primal beast tibe outposts to the primals crystals... yea there is no challenge for a new lv 50 character if he doesnt get hindered by groups of monsters in ANY WAY!

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At this point I'm not sure why you're still arguing. Is it merely for the sake of arguing?

Nobody will deny that making the world more dangerous will make the game more immersive. We just don't see the immersion in a constant 30 second slow effect from monsters we could kill in a fraction of that time. Is what we have honestly immersive to you?

Personally I would love to see the addition of difficult open world monsters. They're one of the multiple things I miss from 1.0. What we have now however just feels like a clunky, poorly thought out alternative to what once was.

People aren't asking for the game so be dumbed down. No, on the contrary, they're asking more a more intelligent application of the idea that the world should be dangerous. What we have is insignificant. It's pointless and as others have said - it serves no other purpose than to annoy players trying to get from point A to point B. Now, is that our fault? No, we didn't design it nor did we ask for it. We're asking for it to be changed into something more meaningful and better thought out.

So please, stop attacking people that are on your side. We want the game to be fun and immersive just as much as you do. We just know that they're capable of doing a better job.

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I don't entirely disagree with Tonkra here, but I think Tonkra is just forgetting theres a difference between adding a meaningful and enjoyable experience to the open world... and adding a "band aid" to make it feel like its more dangeous than it actually is. Mount Weight is nothing but artifical fear, its a jump scare, nothing else. Its worthless as a means to anything meaningful. I support adding a danger to the open world, Mount heavy is not that danger. Its a pointless effect. If they want these places to feel dangerous, give them danger. Mount heavy isn't going to make me die, I can completely ignore it and survive with no sweat at all, it just slows me down and annoys me. Its not danger, its a nuisance... there is a huge difference.

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Removing Heavy would also don't make the world more dangerous. It would just make the world more easy-going. The solution is to buff the enemies damage without removing Heavy. Add some lv 55 enemies into the strongholds. Add some lv 70 enemies into the coming lv 60 zone.
Main problem is that aggro open-world enemies are level capped at lv49.

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Removing Heavy would also don't make the world more dangerous.

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Of course it wouldn't but you're missing my point. I won't bore you by talking in circles but I request you just reread my post on the last page to understand what I'm discussing here. I'm not saying make the open world easier for the sake of making it easier, I'm saying Mount Heavy in itself adds nothing in terms of danger, with or without mount heavy, I can run through any zone and be at absolutely no risk of being killed. It would serve a purpose if it was like 1.0 where you could and will die if you get knocked off your chocobo... but right now its a carry over thats lost its purpose.

Give it meaning of remove it, and personally I'd rather see it removed and the threat of the open world returned. I don't want every mob killing you, but there are some places in the open world that should genuinely feel dangerous, and there just aren't...

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At this point I'm not sure while you're still arguing. Is it merely for the sake of arguing?

Nobody will deny that making the world more dangerous will make the game more immersive. We just don't see the immersion in a constant 30 second slow effect from monsters we could kill in a fraction of that time. Is what we have honestly immersive to you?

Personally I would love to see the addition of difficult open world monsters. They're one of the multiple things I miss from 1.0. What we have now however just feels like a clunky, poorly thought out alternative to what one was.

People aren't asking for the game so be dumbed down. No, on the contrary, they're asking more a more intelligent application of the idea that the world should be more dangerous. What we have is insignificant. It's pointless and as others have said - it serves no other purpose than to annoy players trying to get from point A to point B. Now, is that our fault? No, we didn't design it nor did we ask for it. We're asking for it to be changed into something more meaningful and better thought out.

So please, stop attacking people that are on your side. We want the game to be fun and immersive just as much as you do. We just know that they're capable of doing a better job.

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100% of them, if you're mounted. Which is the whole point of the thread, if you've been paying any attention.

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some people in this thread who have the opinion of removing "heavy" also say its "pointless" that monsters do have ranged attacks..

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That's cool. Still waiting on a video of you mounted running through Zahar'ak without aggroing any archers or casters. Put up or shut up.

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That's cool. Still waiting on a video of you mounted running through Zahar'ak without aggroing any archers or casters. Put up or shut up.

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With the patrolling fortune tellers there, you're going to aggro something. I've gone through the zone without being heavied. That can be done, especially if you take advantage of LoS breaks of which Zahar'ak has many. Deeper in Sapsa though? Forget it. I'm sure people have gotten through that area without a heavy on them, but I can't remember ever doing it.

On topic, yes heavy is annoying, I curse it regularly. That said, I'm of the opinion that it wastes less time than a forced dismount > break tether or forced dismount > flare all the things would.

If your aggro circle was based on gear score that may help reduce the chance of dealing with it ("that's some shiny armor, I'm not messing with that"). Or they could cater to the danger lovers. Maybe have your gearscore increase the number of mobs linked to an aggroing mob. So when that FCOB geared tank traipses through sapsa like he owns the place, he ends up with the entire zone trying to repel him.

Just throwing those out there. I'm genuinely curious what the dev team is going to do with the new open world mobs though.

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Yeah, but his proposed solution is "Pay attention and don't aggro things."

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Yeah, but his proposed solution is "Pay attention and don't aggro things."

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Yeah, the latter part of that isn't possible in certain parts of some of the zones. Paying attention may help you avoid the heavy, maybe. Or, we could all play ninjas!

The proper response to being de-mounted by heavy is visiting nuclear Armageddon upon all members of the offending species.

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Yeah, but his proposed solution is "Pay attention and don't aggro things."

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What?

Waiting for a chance to break through the fortune tellers is hard? Doing my relic books recently I hardly remember the last time I even got heavy status...

The only time you get heavy is when you have utter disregard for your surroundings. This isn't to say it's a good system but it really is just a matter of paying attention.

But I guess I'd need to prove my godly feats through youtube before you take me seriously. So just disregard this.

I'm still a proponent for a more immersive over world. Areas like Zaharak should have a few big bad guys that even the most decked warrior of light can't take on by himself they should also abolish or greatly lengthen the hilariously short leashes on all mobs.

More agro mechanics and tools to avoid aggressors while traversing the map would also be great.

Leashes were implemented in FFXI and are in every other mmo game out there. Making them longer or removing them would be suicide in the mmo world now. Same thing goes for mobs that people would have to form parties to defeat that are just randomly dropped in certain areas. Unless they dropped loot or gave an achievement, no one is going to attempt them. End of story. Stick them in an area players have the frequent with no way to get around them? Expect to hear people bitching about it, and rightly so. These mechanics some people are asking for worked back in the early 2000's, but times have changed and so has the way mmos are played and the people that play them.

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Waiting for a chance to break through the fortune tellers is hard? Doing my relic books recently I hardly remember the last time I even got heavy status...

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It probably takes longer than my solution, which is to just dismount and sprint through.

The only thing that annoys me about it is that you can take a piddly bit of damage and be heavied. It should really be if you take big hits or some percentage of your HP as damage. That would make it somewhat proportional to your environment. But getting hit for a few points (1-2 digits worth) and being heavied is just strange.

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its therefore that you cant escape that easily from mobs. dont you get the point of it?

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The problem is that it's not accomplishing that point. Heavy doesn't make it harder to get away from the mobs, especially if you're mounted anyway. I've never stopped to fight a mob just because it cast Heavy on me. You still just run on past, it's simply that you run a lot slower as you go past (then continue to run slower long after the mob forgot about you entirely).

The limited range within which mobs will follow you makes Heavy worthless in a chase situation where the mob hopes to catch up to us. Its usefulness lies in the opposite direction, when a ranged fighter wants to prevent his opponent from approaching into melee range. Neither escaping while chased nor approaching into melee range can be avoided, but either can be delayed a little bit. The thing is that there's no point in simply delaying the former, whereas delaying the later can be quite useful.

So the mobs that are using Heavy are using it badly. That's why it fails to make them any more dangerous and just makes them annoying instead.

If SE wants those mobs to have something that will concern players passing by them, it should be a ranged attack that does some real damage. Or perhaps a skill that knocks us off our mount, as that would be far more likely to result in actually fighting them than a slow effect does.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Chocobo-Heavy

My post, less popular for some reason, some of you are turn-coats lol.....
Anyway there's my stance.

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That's exactly right. If the world had some teeth, that would be one thing. Right now, it only serves as an irritant.

I'm surprised SE hasn't made hardly any open-world changes.

Would've liked to have seen some packs of elite mobs move in to certain areas or set up new camps or something.

A lot of the Beast Tribes used preexisting mobs spare a few added FATEs here or there.

FATEs aren't the same as implementing deadlier portions of the overworld.

Mobs with farmable drops for crafting & the like even.

Or that need to be cleared to reach harder fishing locations or gathering nodes.

Or that're in the way to a rare-spawning elite Boss FATE.

Or that're in the way of harder Map Spawn Locations.

errr In ffxi you are 100% safe while mounted, no heavy, no aggro at all until you dismount.

And areas with no mounts allowed ,you have spells /potions to navigate safely if you choose to..IF you prefer to fight 4 mobs every inch (:rolleyes:) then you are free to choose that. There are true sight/sound mobs in no mount zones that add enough "challenge"

Much prefer xi design in that regard.

Heavy is just annoying, VERY annoying, dismounting is even worse..

Could never agree that getting dismounted every 3 feet is in any way,shape or form, fun or "challenging" but it certainly qualifies as utterly nauseating :p

Please remove the stupid heavy status while mounted. It's annoying and stupid. We have mounts in this game for a reason and that reason is not take them out in Mor Dhona for showing the off. What's the stupid logic behind this? Who was clever enough to punish players for daring use a mount? It's been a year with it and they still didn't do anything about it. Some things in this game are so stupid and annoying and they are so easy to be fixed.

Other mmo:s have that same effect like wow mobs will daze you if you are running around while mounted. The best thing was is blade and soul, there was the mobs that knock you back(like the frog with unlimited tongue skills) every time you tried run away, there was no way escape it if you do not killed the current mobs.

I have noticed its been adjusted. It used to be any mob that did anything to you would induce heavy. Now its less likely to do it on the first hit. I can actually run through some mobs attacks and keep going. Not the perfect scenario you guys are asking for but it is being adjusted. I think, rather than heavy, just knock us off.

No.
10chars.

i think heavy should be removed. There is no legitimate reason that every single mob should have the same ability. Or at least make it if your 30 ilvls above the mob, it wont agro.

Seriously, what are these mobs thinking?
"Oh there is some uber BLM running through my land that can 1 shot me... Oh i know! Let me piss it off!"

Also if it must be there, then it should have the same limits as our abilities. Get hit the first time for 20seconds, then the second for 10, etc. or at least doesnt reset itself.
Nothing more annoying then heavy effect duration: 3..2..thwack..19....

I think it'd be interesting if the Heavy effect came with a stacking Vulnerability Up debuff. The more often Heavy procs, the more damage you take. Upon getting hit, the traveler needs to decide carefully whether they want to keep going, or dismount and deal with the mobs before the vulnerability gets out of hand!

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With the patrolling fortune tellers there, you're going to aggro something. I've gone through the zone without being heavied. That can be done, especially if you take advantage of LoS breaks of which Zahar'ak has many. Deeper in Sapsa though? Forget it. I'm sure people have gotten through that area without a heavy on them, but I can't remember ever doing it.

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Actually, as someone who used to fish regularly at the Reaver's Hide for maps, there's a path through Sapsa to the Leviathan Aethercite that will typically get aggro from no more than one mob along the way (possibly two, depending on the way another mob is facing when you ride past). You can still get gravitied by it, but that's still better than Zahar'ak. Most of the Sahagin guarding gates, you can slip in from the side and avoid detection. It's not at all unsual to avoid getting Heavy by taking this route.

I can try to describe it:
- Halfstone: All the mobs here are evadable, though sometimes the ones who patrol will be positioned and facing in inconvenient ways.
- Entrance to Sapsa: Hug the right wall, and the first gate guard won't catch you.
- Past the first tunnel: Bear left and enter the closer gate into the narrow tunnel, rather than bear right and enter the farther gate leading to the wide-open area. The guard at the bear-left gate is pretty much unavoidable. This is your one guaranteed aggro.
- Ride through the tunnel: At the end, turn right. Patroller at the end of the tunnel MAY be facing the wrong way, and is the possible second aggro.
- Exit the tunnel: The tunnel exits at another gate, but at an angle where you can slip behind the guard.
- Open area: Hug the left wall. There are some patrolling Elbst here which may aggro you, but as they have no ranged attack they're not a big deal. Hugging the left wall, will let you slip behind another gate guard.
- Reaver's Hide open area: Bear right to skirt around the aggro range of the two conversing Sahagin.
- Whelk Ballistae: Ride to the left of the Whelk Ballistae. The Sahagin tenders of those Ballistae are all facing right, and won't detect you. By hugging them close, you can slip behind the Aethercite gate guard.
- Aethercite: You made it! Time to fish!