Abolishing Anima

I was always in favor of an approach where anima charges faster when you have a low amount, and charges slower when your current total was high. A deceleration in the rate of change occurs as you build anima.

I thought it was nice in that you still had a limit on how much you could teleport around but it wouldnt be as bad when you were empty. logging out to go to sleep/work would give you more this way if you used a lot the night before.

How about a nice little gift from Square Enix. "We just refilled everyone's anima! Thanks for being loyal customers!"

One can only dream.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Anima will be more readily available once you're not forced to use it to get anywhere.

Rented mounts in 1.19 will be followed by personal mounts a bit later.

There is no reason to abolish anything if the problem only persists for a limited time, and affects only a small handful of people currently playing.

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Do we know when 1.19 is coming around? What is the reason for not allowing us a ever-reliable means of practical transportation now instead of later? How many is a small handful?

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Originally Posted by WillRiker

I was always in favor of an approach where anima charges faster when you have a low amount, and charges slower when your current total was high. A deceleration in the rate of change occurs as you build anima.

I thought it was nice in that you still had a limit on how much you could teleport around but it wouldnt be as bad when you were empty. logging out to go to sleep/work would give you more this way if you used a lot the night before.

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Really like this idea, good start!

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Originally Posted by MrKupo

How about a nice little gift from Square Enix. "We just refilled everyone's anima! Thanks for being loyal customers!"

One can only dream.

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Maybe at least a full recharge every 7 days or so?

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

Do we know when 1.19 is coming around? What is the reason for not allowing us a ever-reliable means of practical transportation now instead of later? How many is a small handful?

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You can't take away something that you've added before without a huge QQ-fest. It doesn't work that way.

If they wanted to make a hub-based instance game where you only teleport to the locations directly they should have done that from the beginning. It's an MMO, thus an open world game at core, and that's not going to change. Turning it into a pseudo-online rpg is not going to help anything.

How many people are playing nowadays? Theres your small handful.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

You can't take away something that you've added before without a huge QQ-fest. It doesn't work that way.

If they wanted to make a hub-based instance game where you only teleport to the locations directly they should have done that from the beginning. It's an MMO, thus an open world game at core, and that's not going to change. Turning it into a pseudo-online rpg is not going to help anything.

How many people are playing nowadays? Theres your small handful.

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There's a lot of things they should have done differently from the beginning. I just don't understand why people would complain about being given the freedom of teleporting where you need to go, when you need to go. Many times I've stood in a group of party members and everyone's like, "OK, how much anima do you have?" or "Who wants to teleport"? That to me says that people are being made to fear what doesn't have to be an issue.

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

There's a lot of things they should have done differently from the beginning. I just don't understand why people would complain about being given the freedom of teleporting where you need to go, when you need to go. Many times I've stood in a group of party members and everyone's like, "OK, how much anima do you have?" or "Who wants to teleport"? That to me says that people are being made to fear what doesn't have to be an issue.

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It makes everything outside the hubs meaningless. There is no longer a world; there are only hubs you teleport to.

If you want the ultimately convenient experience, you chose the wrong genre. Go play Diablo, Monster Hunter or Phantasy Star instead. There is nothing more convenient than them. They're also not MMORPG's. They're online RPG's.

Playing in a world that mimics real life means inconveniences. That's the trade-off. You are forced to interact with other people, forced to use means of travel to get where you want to go. That's what makes this world what it is, and Eorzea what it is- or hopes to be. If you don't think not having to interact with anyone or having to travel the world doesn't somehow cheapen the experience, I don't know in what world you're living in.

The society has turned into an individualized one where you can do quite many things without.a need for any human interaction. Are we better off like this? Lets add teleporting to the mix and see what happens to us. I wouldn't like that kind of future, even if it meant ultimate convenience; no need to wait, to socialize, to make bonds.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

It makes everything outside the hubs meaningless. There is no longer a world; there are only hubs you teleport to.

If you want the ultimately convenient experience, you chose the wrong genre. Go play Diablo, Monster Hunter or Phantasy Star instead. There is nothing more convenient than them. They're also not MMORPG's. They're online RPG's.

Playing in a world that mimics real life means inconveniences. That's the trade-off. You are forced to interact with other people, forced to use means of travel to get where you want to go. That's what makes this world what it is, and Eorzea what it is- or hopes to be.

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Which is maybe why, before 1.18 and the Leve fix, nobody lived outside of Ul'dah and Broken Water? That was a smart move, in my opinion. Why not continue this trend?

What trend? Everyone living in a small space, ignoring everything outside it?

You must like living in of the many cities with millions of citizens living in a small space, ignoring everyone except themselves, avoiding interaction with anyone except their friends (friends that they came to know through the interaction the community forced on them; kindergarten, school and work). ATM machines and automatic services that make everything oh so convenient and remove the human aspect completely.

Yes, I'd love for that trend to continue here. Especially when I see how better off this world is because of it.

Now lets introduce teleporting to whereever you want whenever you want and I'm certain that we will be even happier with this added convenience.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

What trend? Everyone living in a small space, ignoring everything outside it?

You must like living in of the many cities with millions of citizens living in a small space, ignoring everyone except themselves, avoiding interaction with anyone except their friends (friends that they came to know through the interaction the community forced on them; kindergarten, school and work). ATM machines and automatic services that make everything oh so convenient and remove the human aspect completely.

Yes, I'd love for that trend to continue here. Especially when I see how better off this world is because of it.

Now lets introduce teleporting to whereever you want whenever you want and I'm certain that we will be even happier with this added convenience.

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Are you proposing that running to a particular place builds friendships?

can we just stop responding to this thread SE is not gonna change it so let them talk among each other. They adjusted anima about 2 times and i don't think it will be changed again. Use to cost like 24 or 16 anima to port to certain places that was far away be glad its the way it is now.

instead of making it free a good suggestion would have been to ask for to pay for anima recharge:

10,000g for 10 charges

30,000g for 30 charges

50,000g for 50 charges

100,000g for 100 charges

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Originally Posted by Firon

can we just stop responding to this thread SE is not gonna change it so let them talk among each other. They adjusted anima about 2 times and i don't think it will be changed again. Use to cost like 24 or 16 anima to port to certain places that was far away be glad its the way it is now.

instead of making it free a good suggestion would have been to ask for to pay for anima recharge:

10,000g for 10 charges

30,000g for 30 charges

50,000g for 50 charges

100,000g for 100 charges

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And if you're out of money? Doesn't that make you stuck as well?

pay 20 dollars for another account and hitch rides, when they run out of fuel delete them.

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Originally Posted by Fixy

pay 20 dollars for another account and hitch rides, when they run out of fuel delete them.

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Don't you mean $20.00 + computer to provide the luxury? Pretty steep!

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

And if you're out of money? Doesn't that make you stuck as well?

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I knew you was gonna bring that up but that's an fail reason cause you can get a free 30-60k a day in this game so no.

You gotta always have game balance in mind and free porting isn't one of them in XI every port besides whm tele's cost gil or points.

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

Are you proposing that running to a particular place builds friendships?

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No, there are two different concepts that share similarities.

Being forced to interact with other people builds friendships.

Being forced to travel helps to retain the sense and scale of the world. If you could simply teleport to whereever you wanted you would lose that sense of a large world, effectively making everything outside those hubs meaningless. Teleport to work, teleport to shop (inconvenience- lets order food from home instead), teleport home, teleport to Bahamas, teleport to the doctor. If you think nothing is lost when you start living like this, or that not being forced to interact with others has no disadvantages, all I can say is that I disagree. It's a horrible future. There is no world left; only the small hubs.

The game world is a mere copy of our own, but the same concepts apply. It may be inconvenient, but I like the trade-off (to a certain degree).

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

No, there are two different concepts that share similarities.

Being forced to interact with other people builds friendships.

Being forced to travel helps to retain the sense and scale of the world. If you could simply teleport to whereever you wanted you would lose that sense of a large world, effectively making everything outside those hubs meaningless. Teleport to work, teleport to shop (inconvenience- lets order food from home instead), teleport home, teleport to Bahamas, teleport to the doctor. If you think nothing is lost when you start living like this, or that not being forced to interact with others has no disadvantages, all I can say is that I disagree. It's a horrible future. There is no world left; only the small hubs.

The game world is a mere copy of our own, but the same concepts apply. It may be inconvenient, but I like the trade-off (to a certain degree).

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I sort of see what you're saying, but when you reference real life scenarios, do you like paying for fuel in your car (overpriced as it is!)? Do you like rush-hour traffic? I don't know about you, but the only reason I travel at all is because I can't teleport to where I need to be.

EDIT: If you have the anima to go someplace, do you use it or run?

hmmmmmm..........

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Originally Posted by Firon

I knew you was gonna bring that up but that's an fail reason cause you can get a free 30-60k a day in this game so no.

You gotta always have game balance in mind and free porting isn't one of them in XI every port besides whm tele's cost gil or points.

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Screams RMT foothold to me!

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

Screams RMT foothold to me!

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lol.......... you are an sad panda sir

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Originally Posted by Firon

lol.......... you are an sad panda sir

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Thanks? /shrug

I think they should add something similar to the summoning stones in WoW. So, say you and a friend get to the camp, there is a stone (or aetheryte) there that lets you summon party members to your location without them needing to have anima.

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

I sort of see what you're saying, but when you reference real life scenarios, do you like paying for fuel in your car (overpriced as it is!)? Do you like rush-hour traffic? I don't know about you, but the only reason I travel at all is because I can't teleport to where I need to be.

EDIT: If you have the anima to go someplace, do you use it or run?

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As I said, to a certain degree I like the trade-off. Just like in real life I appreciate fast(er) means of travel, as long as it's not instant. Same applies in-game. I want to ride a chocobo and use airship to get where I want more efficiently, but I don't want to outright skip these activities altogether.

It's all about the balance in my opinion, and neither extreme (walk everywhere - teleport everywhere) is an appealing choice.


If given the choice to teleport in real life, or not interact with others, most of us Westerners would do exactly that. But is that good for us? I don't think it is, in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

If you don't have time to run to where you want to go, then you don't have enough time to play anyway.

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Pretty much this. Anima is meant to be used by casual players who don't have the time to travel to a place. If you're low on anima you are either 1.) Not a casual player or 2.) Are burning through your anima to get to Bearded Rock when you're in Limsa.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

Pretty much this. Anima is meant to be used by casual players who don't have the time to travel to a place. If you're low on anima you are either 1.) Not a casual player or 2.) Are burning through your anima to get to Bearded Rock when you're in Limsa.

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And what to do if you need to get to Bearded Rock if you're in Gridania and you don't have 3 anima to spare? Make an hour run?

Anima resource-management is a part of the game. It forces you to be more creative than the aetheryte-hopping Urianger.

Chocobos and Airships as alternate transport are on the verge of implementation. This will help offset any perceived anima-consumption issues.

Returns are now anima-free. In a few days, you will now be able to control your return point rather than it changing every time you attune to a local node, making it even easier to get back to a preferred spot cheaply.

If, after all of this, you are still having anima problems, then you are over-playing this game and should really take a week off.

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

And what to do if you need to get to Bearded Rock if you're in Gridania and you don't have 3 anima to spare? Make an hour run?

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Asking myself why I don't have 3 animas in the first place? I would run to La Noscea because I was to wastful with my anima and would recheck my favorite camp list.

Cutbacks on anima cost have been the name of the game since release, including the introduction of favorite camps. Catapult, haven't we already established with the fatigue system that we shouldn't be 'punished' for playing as much as we'd like to?

This thread is ridiculous. Those of you out there who "don't mind running around eorzea" are masochists. Its a absurdly repetitive cut and paste world with nothing of particular interest to see once you have seen it. There isn't any real danger along the way most of the time, your character runs like he's 96 years old and recovering from back surgery.

Why you support a system that

1. encourages people to work around it - i.e. create a mule to taxi them
2. creates friction in parties during transportation
3. creates reasons not to play - i.e. because drinking arsenic is more fun than running for 1 hour from Gridania to some remote place.

Really GMAFB.

I was thinking about an idea to make it easier on people that run out of Anima: Add a call function.

Usually in big parties, there is always someone that wouldn't like to spend Anima, and then whole seven players have to wait for them to walk 2 maps. I don't use much Anima and usually have enough, I'd like to use my Anima to teleport call that member to the camp I'm at, instead of waiting!

A function that lets a party member call another member at the cost of Anima. That way, people that don't have enough Anima would just get recalled by a member who does.

For example: if a member is in the same area as you, you could call him for 4 Anima.
The call could work for camps, not necessarily to the player itself. You could call someone to specific camp. If that camp is a favourite, it'd only cost 2 Anima.

As expension on the function, a Recall Party could also be added. Something like: "Call every single party member into X camp." It can cost more Anima than usual of course...

Anyway this is just a basic idea...

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Originally Posted by captainpicard

This thread is ridiculous. Those of you out there who "don't mind running around eorzea" are masochists. Its a absurdly repetitive cut and paste world with nothing of particular interest to see once you have seen it. There isn't any real danger along the way most of the time, your character runs like he's 96 years old and recovering from back surgery.

Why you support a system that

1. encourages people to work around it - i.e. create a mule to taxi them
2. creates friction in parties during transportation
3. creates reasons not to play - i.e. because drinking arsenic is more fun than running for 1 hour from Gridania to some remote place.

Really GMAFB.

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Your problem is you are living in the now. You need to think of the future where chocobos and airships come into play. Anima will break this unless it is changed (btw Anima will be edited when chocobos and airships come).

I do not enjoy running around for hours either but

1) The world is tiny.. No idea why people complain about running around in such a small world! It will get bigger granted, but still
2) There are dangers that make things harder.. The other day when I did the rank 34 storyline quest I was shocked to find I could not reach the area I had to go, because every path had a big level 60+ mob in the way >.> Was still a bit of fun though lol
3)If Anima was not created in the first place, no one would complain about Anima, they'd be complaining that chocobos and airships aren't here yet, get my drift? If no one even knew about the Anima system there would not be a problem.

I still think Anima should be something you have to work to get rather than given for free. And I also think it should be third party teleports rather than your own powers. It makes no sense that me as a Pugilist with no mage stats can do something as powerful as teleporting.

I am not thinking for myself here, I hate running around too, but Anima breaks this game so much. Don't worry though, when there is more content it wont matter and anima will finally be nerfed.

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Originally Posted by MattyWS

Your problem is you are living in the now. You need to think of the future where chocobos and airships come into play. Anima will break this unless it is changed (btw Anima will be edited when chocobos and airships come).

I do not enjoy running around for hours either but

1) The world is tiny.. No idea why people complain about running around in such a small world! It will get bigger granted, but still
2) There are dangers that make things harder.. The other day when I did the rank 34 storyline quest I was shocked to find I could not reach the area I had to go, because every path had a big level 60+ mob in the way >.> Was still a bit of fun though lol
3)If Anima was not created in the first place, no one would complain about Anima, they'd be complaining that chocobos and airships aren't here yet, get my drift? If no one even knew about the Anima system there would not be a problem.

I still think Anima should be something you have to work to get rather than given for free. And I also think it should be third party teleports rather than your own powers. It makes no sense that me as a Pugilist with no mage stats can do something as powerful as teleporting.

I am not thinking for myself here, I hate running around too, but Anima breaks this game so much. Don't worry though, when there is more content it wont matter and anima will finally be nerfed.

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If they implement Airships as they were in FF11, i.e. wait 25 minutes for airship, then 8 minute ride, that doesn't really solve anything.

Chocobo's or Horses or Recliners with wheels would be nice to have, but still doesn't solve the over arching issue of needing to get somewhere quickly.

If you think back to FF11 teleports were spells that were unlimited. There were only certain places you could teleport to.

The solution here is to reduce the number of telepoints (and in the process kill the leve system {yes please}) and remove anima cost all together or convert to a spell that anyone can learn and equip and cast. Put Chocobo's at those telepoints.

So I would not say my problem is I am living in the now. I am being pragmatic. Airships and Chocobo's don't solve the over arching issue. They did not in 11 and they won't here.

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Originally Posted by MattyWS

Your problem is you are living in the now. You need to think of the future where chocobos and airships come into play. Anima will break this unless it is changed (btw Anima will be edited when chocobos and airships come).

I do not enjoy running around for hours either but

1) The world is tiny.. No idea why people complain about running around in such a small world! It will get bigger granted, but still
2) There are dangers that make things harder.. The other day when I did the rank 34 storyline quest I was shocked to find I could not reach the area I had to go, because every path had a big level 60+ mob in the way >.> Was still a bit of fun though lol
3)If Anima was not created in the first place, no one would complain about Anima, they'd be complaining that chocobos and airships aren't here yet, get my drift? If no one even knew about the Anima system there would not be a problem.

I still think Anima should be something you have to work to get rather than given for free. And I also think it should be third party teleports rather than your own powers. It makes no sense that me as a Pugilist with no mage stats can do something as powerful as teleporting.

I am not thinking for myself here, I hate running around too, but Anima breaks this game so much. Don't worry though, when there is more content it wont matter and anima will finally be nerfed.

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Everyone is talking like when you choose to teleport that you have the option to triangulate your position into an exact spot on the map. That's not really what I'm asking either. I'm asking for a better teleport system that allows you to go in the relative area (at most a 15min hike) and the ability to do that under a system that is not entirely consumable.

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I do currently have 83 anima at the moment ingame, and I play for hours per day every day. I am speaking for those who cannot seem to manage it so well, and have no alternative but to shut the game down if they'd rather not do DoL/DoH.

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There's nothing that bothers me more than people who argue online for the hypothetical people who need defending.
Also, 45 minutes to run across eorzea? That's like limsa to gridania...boat ride and all. I cant imagine making that trek often enough to find it worth complaining about.

There are always going to be long walks in an mmo (windurst to cape terrigan), it's a drawback of having a world worth exploring. The idea is to manage your anima so you have it available when you need to make one of these long-ass runs. The true issue here is that they havent finished the world redesign and that there isnt enough interesting environment to make us willing to walk.

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Originally Posted by Firon

can we just stop responding to this thread SE is not gonna change it so let them talk among each other. They adjusted anima about 2 times and i don't think it will be changed again. Use to cost like 24 or 16 anima to port to certain places that was far away be glad its the way it is now.

instead of making it free a good suggestion would have been to ask for to pay for anima recharge:

10,000g for 10 charges

30,000g for 30 charges

50,000g for 50 charges

100,000g for 100 charges

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those prices are WAY too cheap for anima
unless you charge with GUILD MARKS
which is what ive suggeted before(but then itd be too expensiv for charging marks, but you get the point)

and xoo...if your out of moneym out of anima, everything is broken on your character(gearwise) etc etc, you probly dont know what your doing anyway and have been having a horrible experience and are on the verge of quitting, being able to teleport for free at that point wont have saved anything for you lol

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Originally Posted by Leenk

There's nothing that bothers me more than people who argue online for the hypothetical people who need defending.
Also, 45 minutes to run across eorzea? That's like limsa to gridania...boat ride and all. I cant imagine making that trek often enough to find it worth complaining about.

There are always going to be long walks in an mmo (windurst to cape terrigan), it's a drawback of having a world worth exploring. The idea is to manage your anima so you have it available when you need to make one of these long-ass runs. The true issue here is that they havent finished the world redesign and that there isnt enough interesting environment to make us willing to walk.

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Funny you mention Windurst to Cape Terrigan. There's an OP in Terrigan. >.>;

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

those prices are WAY too cheap for anima
unless you charge with GUILD MARKS
which is what ive suggeted before(but then itd be too expensiv for charging marks, but you get the point)

and xoo...if your out of moneym out of anima, everything is broken on your character(gearwise) etc etc, you probly dont know what your doing anyway and have been having a horrible experience and are on the verge of quitting, being able to teleport for free at that point wont have saved anything for you lol

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Yeah, I was thinking 1m for 10 anima, etc.

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Originally Posted by XooZQ

Yeah, I was thinking 1m for 10 anima, etc.

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if i were to charge gil, it would be PER anima point
and id charge 20k per point(this goes hand in hand with what most people charge for teleports)

if it were guild marks
id charge 250 per point

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Originally Posted by Leenk

There are always going to be long walks in an mmo

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Says who?

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