Bashing so much on the Devs and Yoshi-P? You should be ashamed.

No no no. The people who should be ashamed all work for Square Enix right now. They should all have hung heads and feel terrible and that's just the way it is. This is a feature that many people have been waiting for since 1.0. They've touted it since the very origins of the game and have been flat out quoted as saying it will be seperate and distinct from FC housing and be much much cheaper.

So after months and months and months and months of patient waiting, the playerbase is given...something we've had since 2.1 but in a ridiculously tiny fraction for an insanely high price.

This entire patch boils down to a few new emotes and some loot table changes and a big giant screw you from Square Enix. No, right now they deserve every single bit of anger, angst and ire being thrown at them.

Pardon me if I don't feel that "this is dissappointingly expensive; sparse and with the fc housing system compounding the issue, shows the lack of direction and/or effort from the dev team." isn't enough to convey how tired I am of the day-late and dollar-short approach to change the dev team has adopted for their content, considering a lot of people were waiting for personal housing BECAUSE FC housing was ludicrously expensive for them, or they were locked out of housing activities by their fc.

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Originally Posted by Gurpsmeister

This is a feature that many people have been waiting for since 1.0.

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I wasn't aware people cared about FFXIV during 1.0 times. At least 85% of the player base here definitely wasn't playing during 1.0.

I reacted, how the sane people react, when a service provider no longer meet their promises and does the things not your way, you take your money elsewhere. It was fun to play the game, but personal housing was something I was really looking for, and I was hoping it would never be tied to the silly plots ideas, and that there would be more than 90 houses per server.

/unsubbed

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Originally Posted by Algin

I reacted, how the sane people react, when a service provider no longer meet their promises and does the things not your way, you take your money elsewhere. It was fun to play the game, but personal housing was something I was really looking for, and I was hoping it would never be tied to the silly plots ideas, and that there would be more than 90 houses per server.

/unsubbed

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Bye Felicia.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Today isn't the day for silly white knighting. You can pick up your blinding armor from the shop tomorrow.

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You know you can Garden outside too.

Just a thought.

They lied, they deserve the pitchforks.

For the rest of the patch I can say thanks but the housing even I was looking forward to it. If the server is such an big issue SE maybe you need to reach into that chocobo bank of yours and add a separate external server decidated to housing in general.

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Originally Posted by odintius

For the rest of the patch I can say thanks but the housing even I was looking forward to it. If the server is such an big issue SE maybe you need to reach into that chocobo bank of yours and add a separate external server decidated to housing in general.

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I believe that's what they are doing for 2.4. His latest post confirmed that there will be twice as many wards as there are now, so I assume (I don't have much knowledge on this subject) that they are debugging/fleshing out the server for housing and it will ready for 2.4.

I also believe my signature has a place for this topic. I am neutral on the topic of the housing, so I will not comment save that disappointment was justified, but not necessarily the harsh attacks.

Sorry but If saved a fortune to buy a fancy new car and the garage turned up with a clapped out bike with no wheels, I wouldn't thank them for trying and say there there Nevermind it's the thought that counts, same goes for patch 2.38 they promised a lot and delivered little

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

I believe that's what they are doing for 2.4. His latest post confirmed that there will be twice as many wards as there are now, so I assume (I don't have much knowledge on this subject) that they are debugging/fleshing out the server for housing and it will ready for 2.4.

I also believe my signature has a place for this topic. I am neutral on the topic of the housing, so I will not comment save that disappointment was justified, but not necessarily the harsh attacks.

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Well all I can do now is hope this is the case.

This is the age of a certain...."style" of gamers. Get used to it, OP.

Agreeing with OP here. Remember the rage-stroke at launch over connection issues? Same thing. People crying and moaning calling for Yoshi-Ps head on a platter because demand FAR exceeded expectations due to a prior poor launch. Who said "this is all youre getting?" If you really care to devote all your time to housing it can be accomplished on The Sims.
Personally, housing isnt a big thing for me. My FC quarters consist of a bed; a repair servant, small table, and Im rarely ever in there as it is due to crafting, gathering or dungeons. I get it is important for others, but Jesus Christ people tone it done. Give feedback if youre upset, but be respectful and theyll make fixes as they did with server overloads, with Choco battling, with PvP, and everything else thats come along. Changes are made due to feedback; always have been, always will. But this rage crap just makes you look like a bunch of kids you would find on a Call of Duty of WoW. Dont give yourselves an aneurysm over it

My only complaint is this. We have waited. And Waited. And WAITED. With very little if absolutely NOTHING concrete from SE about "Personal housing". I was optimistic yes. I was hopeful yes. But since SE never said squat about the price or answered any of the direct questions posed, speculation was really all we had to go off of.

So here we are. Excited to log in and ... bam. All we basically got was a used car at a new car price. They could have just TOLD US we were getting the left overs from FC housing.

They KNEW how many people were amped up and excited for personal housing. So the excuse of not being ready and needing server issues resolved, while I get them, I work in IT/IS, doesn't fly. You blind sided us SE. Not cool. Not cool at all. the ONE THING I was looking forward to; gone. 1) Too expensive 2) Not personal Sure, some people have that kind of gil and I used to have close to 2 mil but, I spent it. So fucking sue me. I also didn't think at the time, when I HAD THAT MONEY, I could have faked my way to owning an FC with some Alts and bought a freaking FC house that no one wanted and been getting the same GD thing I was offered TODAY at FOUR MIL!

So while I haven't been on these forums for over year, they have become quite the cesspool, I do think my comment should be recognized with everyone else's whose complaining or bitching or w/e.

As for those who are being labeled White Knights? Been there. Today though, I have no like for SE and what they have done. So I'll be joining the rest of the complainers because, in all honesty, we did get shafted.

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Originally Posted by Artik101

So lots of people are ragging and bring Yoshi-P and the devs down and they seem to forget how hard they have been working and how they resurrect the game.
I know that we are always excited about what's coming every patch and that this one kinda let lots of ppl down but bashing Yoshi and the team and even asking for Yoshi's resignation? what is wrong with everyone?
Suddenly all of you forgot their dedication?

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You know what, if this was the first time they took something players have looked forward to that was supposed to be fun and turned it into an frustrating over the top exercise in mind numbing patience, maybe youd have a point. However theyve been doing this garbage since the very beginning, and its getting old. Even his "omotenashi" apologies are getting old and frankly starting to sound condescending ("yeah, sorry,we know you didnt want this but we're doing it anyway, shut up now, gomenasai!"). That sound familiar to you? It should. Because this is the same "dedication" the tools who made 1.0 did in the face of controversy.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

This is the age of a certain...."style" of gamers. Get used to it, OP.

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I like your posts. But you're probably one of the last people who can say this. :P

You have most certainly had your moments.

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Originally Posted by Iolair_Silverwing

Agreeing with OP here. Remember the rage-stroke at launch over connection issues? Same thing. People crying and moaning calling for Yoshi-Ps head on a platter because demand FAR exceeded expectations due to a prior poor launch. Who said "this is all youre getting?" If you really care to devote all yourtime to housing it can be accomplished on The Sims.
Personally, housing isnt a big thing for me. My FC quarters consist of a bed; a repair servant, small table, and Im rarely ever in there as it is due to crafting, gathering or dungeons. I get it is important for others, but Jesus Christ people tone it done. Give feedback if youre upset, but be respectful and theyll make fixes as they did with server overloads, with Choco battling, with PvP, and everything else thats come along. Changes are made due to feedback; always have been, always will. But this rage crap just makes you look like a bunch of kids you would find on a Call of Duty of WoW. Dont give yourselves an aneurysm over it

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And that would be fine and dandy if we weren't left in the dark for MONTHS and given NO INFO to only be given the freaking left overs.

I haven't read ALL the posts. I commented on this one because it seemed the least crazy but, people have a legit reason to complain. They could have just simply given us some weak ass "patch" and just told us, "Okay. FC left overs are now up for anyone to buy." and people would probably been happier than they are now. Instead what we got was drama filled crap and no info, which led to speculation, which has led us to this moment. ESPECIALLY since the "housing" was so fail. I mean, it may not mean much to you but, if you looked at it from the perspective of those "complaining", you hopefully would see why this was not a good idea. It makes the Devs look like they were lazy. Everything was already here! All they did was "unlock" how to purchase the house. LOL

Usually, I side with Yoshi and the Devs but this? No. No. I can't support this.

I haven't been whining, this is my 1st post on the subject, but we were clearly mislead about personal housing. The price is so high that I can't even consider personal housing as an achievable goal. I still have materia to SB or pay to acquire. The Dev's statements in the past, regarding personal housing were definitive and clear. There was no room for misunderstanding, but today they say there was a misunderstanding. Obviously they don't have the system resources to allow us all our house for 850k gil, so they can't change the situation, but I wish they would just be honest about the datacenters shortcoming's and not try to address us with a litigious redaction.

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

Regardless, I think people deserve to be treated with respect and decency, rich or poor, professional or indie
When expectations are not met criticism should be given constructively, not raging and demanding people to resign

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you mean like the cry babies did on launch with tanaka?

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

I believe that's what they are doing for 2.4. His latest post confirmed that there will be twice as many wards as there are now, so I assume (I don't have much knowledge on this subject) that they are debugging/fleshing out the server for housing and it will ready for 2.4.

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just to clarify, they're not doubling the amount of wards, just doubling the amount of land in each ward.

@every person who has (HILARIOUSLY) told everone to 'go play the sims 4 huek derp' -just go away lol. I raid, I have turn 9 on farm now with my fc group, I'm still entitled to want the casual content in the game to not suck.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

just to clarify, they're not doubling the amount of wards, just doubling the amount of land in each ward.

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In the future, we plan to be able to double the total land for all existing housing wards, including the two new wards, in Patch 2.4 with the system changes that we are currently working on.
(Basically, the number of wards available now will be doubled in Patch 2.4).

I'm running by that statement, which may or may not be incorrectly translated.

Yeah the bold italics in parentheses is an incorrect paraphrasing of the correct translation above it.

OP, we pay them for their services. When the services don't live up to expectations, we have a right and a duty to let them know otherwise.

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Originally Posted by ZReport

I wasn't aware people cared about FFXIV during 1.0 times. At least 85% of the player base here definitely wasn't playing during 1.0.

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So..Can I complain then? First wave of alpha 1 for version 1. I was there for the whole 30 seconds I could log on that night (server issues like you wouldn't believe and only a 4 hour play window anyway).

I think the implementation of personal housing is an absolute joke, but I'm not getting worked up about it because I have other stuff to focus on at the moment.

I just don't understand what they were thinking... They were never gonna have the server resources to get everyone that wanted a house for significantly less than FC housing. FC housing itself was only implemented because they realised they didn't have the resources for individual housing. Heck, they didn't even have the resources for every FC to have a house, hence the ridiculous price tag for those.

Knowing this, why wouldn't they manage expectations? Even at ridiculous price tags, I fully expect all the available housing to be gone by the time I arrive home from work today so even if I were absolutely loaded housing won't be available for me.

Now, if you can't get 4 mill before 2.4 you won't have a personal house this year. Housing is something that shouldn't be limited by server resources. By achievements/questing? Sure. By gil? Alright, that's arguable, sure. But to say to a new player "Sorry, all the houses are taken already. Can't tell you if/when any more will be available. It doesn't matter that you pay as much as the others, you weren't online for the 10 mins (I've had that confirmed by friends who are online) that the houses were available on Balmung.

There are 10k characters on each full server. You think there will be server resource for 10k personal houses anytime in the next few years?

Like I said, I'm not overly attached to this. I have a personal room. I will miss out on gardening and the general good feeling of having my own house, but I'm not gonna rage over it. This doesn't make this whole episode anything less than an embarassing farce that could have been mitigated if not avoided.

Lol the white knight in here is strong, I like it. They messed up and deserve to know it. This isn't F2P, we pay them to release content the general population can enjoy. And from what I see the general population is pretty disappointed. ./thread

I'm even more surprised they managed to break something as basic as analog movement, they have 3 platforms that use gamepad controls and they couldn't identify an issue with it on any of them. It's like they have no QA or proper testing at all, so much for those arduous tests they claim to perform for every patch.

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Originally Posted by Jican

OP, we pay them for their services. When the services don't live up to expectations, we have a right and a duty to let them know otherwise.

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Ask yourself this question:

Can you play FFXIV ARR right now?

If the answer is no: You are correct.

If the answer is yes: you are incorrect.

P2P money does go towards a lot including other game projects by the studio (XI funded..most of SE's projects for example) so feedback is fine, but do remember your subscription first and foremost goes towards having the right to access the game.

It always interesting to see how a large group of people react to games like this. One group defends things protest they are not white knighting and is defending the developers and the game on past content and the intentions to improve making them look like optimistic fools. While the other attacks and claim they aren't tools because they have a legitimate point which they do but they still act like bell ends so one would have to wonder why the dev bothering telling the player base anything in the event it is not exactly how they planned it or phrased it before any implementation was actually done.

But I must say I am still happy to see so many people up in arms on both sides shows that alot of people care even though alot of it is misguided and filled with outside angst.

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^ This right here. Yoshi should've never said that housing was going to be affordable and starting around 850k. That just an out right lie, seeing as for legacy just a small plot is 4mil. Hate to say it but you white knights may wanna just run and hide for a day or so because there a lot of pissed off players. Even the JP players are raging right now.

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I bought a house this morning I am on a lagacy server and I got up at 6:00 am to make sure I was able to purchase early. I was taken aback by the pricing as well, but I had done nothing the past month but save in anticipation of this patch. I am by no means rich but have wanted this housing since realease. I am happy for myself that I was able to achieve this but at the same time I am sad for all these posts. Also, I beleive the worst mistake Square Enix made was throwing out that number (850K) they should have been honest from the beginning and not given thousands of players false hope for this patch.

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Originally Posted by ZReport

I wasn't aware people cared about FFXIV during 1.0 times. At least 85% of the player base here definitely wasn't playing during 1.0.

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I love random facts like that "85%". Well, I can tell you this. I can answer for myself. I was around during OB of 1.0 and have paid my subs whenever SE asked for them. I have NEVER shut down my account even when I have taken time off. So, I'm definitely going to complain about this. I was there through ALL the troubles. Have stood by SE every time. But I won't during this. They messed up on the housing. Period.

As for anyone else you think you have the "numbers" on, you can speak for them. Otherwise, thanks for the offer but, I'll have to pass.

Well said Geesus, wish I could like a 100 times

The fact of the matter is that we were told one thing and that didn't happen. We were told personal housing prices would differ from FC prices and would be much more affordable. This didn't happen. So yeah, we're a bit upset and have decided to express our frustrations. What's so wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by Noni

I beleive the worst mistake Square Enix made was throwing out that number (850K) they should have been honest from the beginning and not given thousands of players false hope for this patch.

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The playerbase can only blame themselves on that assumption - it was a PLAYER that asked if 850k was enough, and a DEV that said, no it likely would not be enough. How people took that to mean "housing will be 850k!", I don't know. The gossip mill is too strong when the reps aren't able to come out and say "sorry, but you're absolutely off the mark though we can't reveal any numbers right now" (however, it sure would have been nice if they had just to shut people up).

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The playerbase can only blame themselves on that assumption - it was a PLAYER that asked if 850k was enough, and a DEV that said, no it likely would not be enough. How people took that to mean "housing will be 850k!", I don't know. The gossip mill is too strong when the reps aren't able to come out and say "sorry, but you're absolutely off the mark though we can't reveal any numbers right now" (however, it sure would have been nice if they had just to shut people up).

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Agreed. I think too many people focused on that number...not what was actually said. I, myself did the same....I wanted so badly to beleive that number.

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It still doesn't change the fact they'd mention that personal housing would be different from FC housing, only to turn 180* on the day of.

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Originally Posted by Artik101

So lots of people are ragging and bring Yoshi-P and the devs down and they seem to forget how hard they have been working and how they resurrect the game.
I know that we are always excited about what's coming every patch and that this one kinda let lots of ppl down but bashing Yoshi and the team and even asking for Yoshi's resignation? what is wrong with everyone?
Suddenly all of you forgot their dedication?

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Your mom should be ashamed for raising a White Knight.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

The playerbase can only blame themselves on that assumption - it was a PLAYER that asked if 850k was enough, and a DEV that said, no it likely would not be enough. How people took that to mean "housing will be 850k!", I don't know. The gossip mill is too strong when the reps aren't able to come out and say "sorry, but you're absolutely off the mark though we can't reveal any numbers right now" (however, it sure would have been nice if they had just to shut people up).

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Square Enix could have easily prevented this by coming out and making a statement about it. They did not. They let the fanbase speculate and guess with absolutely zero communication about the pricing until the day of the patch. A big heap of the drama today could have so easily been avoided if they had just communicated, but nope. So if fans aren't so happy now, SE only has itself to blame for it. They could have done everything to prevent this and chose to do nothing instead. I do not feel pity for them in the slightest for all the flak they're getting as a result of their poor decision.

It's all these "you have no right to complain you pay a sub only to have access to the game" posts that astound me
People have every right, as do you have every right to defend something that in others opinion is wrong.
Can't think of any other mmo that basis new content that will just upset players and they know it will
This isn't an oversight it's an insult

I am a little confused. The live letters were suppose to create a transparency from the dev team to the player base. This is not a game with useful posts on the forums from dev team officials. When ever they have a bad idea all they do is head in sand and ignore and wait till the next bad idea distracts players. They seem to average one every 3 months or so. So by Christmas there will be something else

A few comments have been made about people asking for resignation. People being upset that this could even be suggested. I personally am not up for anyone being fired(yet). Lying is one of the few things i have seen people resign/fired for. I managed beta and three weeks. I wouldn't have played 1.0 anymore if SE sent me a check each month.


Would it have been so hard to schedule a live letter and explained why they failed to deliver on some of the stuff they promised. Or even asked the players for feedback. What if houses cost an extra $2 per month. It was the only way to justify server infrastructure. People are more forgiving before
then after.