What happened to 800k personal housing?

This is pretty much the Worst Possible Thing.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

i saved up at least 4.5 mill for personal housing fund @_@ yay small house

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Now be prepared to log in fractions of a second behind everyone else on your server with the same idea.

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Originally Posted by Zephyranthes

SE got lazy and probably didn't bother to make something new for personal housing.

As a last resort, they simply made FC houses buyable by individuals.

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I'm guessing they don't have a way to separate housing prices without creating new zones. Since new housing zones + wards cost time and money to make, they simply opened FC housing for individual purchase with hopes it buys them enough time to come up with proper housing zones+wards for private homes, or find another way to implement housing for individuals. I was thinking they'd use the concept behind private chambers in FC houses for this by implementing something like apartments or a sort of barracks.

Not too bothered by it, since I'm hoping for an Ishgard housing zone sometime in the future. Can hold out until then. >.>

Why dont yall just boycot the game?

Ok...so...let me get this straight, not ONLY do I have to pay as much as an ENTIRE Free Company for the same house but now I also have to COMPETE with the FC's for the limited number of plots?! WTH, SE?!

This is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard. That had better be some kind of horrible mistranslation of the patch notes...

My faith in SE just disappeared if this is the personal housing that was promised.I say if cuz the patch notes only say housing not personal housing but 1 person being able to by plots leads me to believe yes THEY DROPPED THE BALL ON PERSONAL HOUSING!!! I just can't believe SE thought this was ok /sadface

I don't think it bodes well.

Imagine how frustrating it'd be to finally get funds & chance as a Free Company to get your housing plot... and some multi-millionaire swoops in and drops the gil snagging your spot... for personal use.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

i saved up at least 4.5 mill for personal housing fund @_@ yay small house

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I'd seriously recommend you save it. For the price they're asking you better damned well be certain your account won't ever become inactive for a certain period of time. Because according to the way they're doing personal housing it likely follows the same rules of a FC house. After so many days of inactivity they'll rip it out from under you. By the way on the subject of prices did they ever deny the rumors or speculation prices were going to be around 850K?

I'm just curious if anyone ever went back and said "We're sorry, housing will be more than this." or sit by idly and let players assume it was going to be around this price range.

EDIT: By the way something else to consider. After you buy your plot of land you'll probably be looking at another 2 million getting even the most basic of furnishings and that doesn't include the pricing for getting the foundation and building assembled. I think after my FC finally afforded our plot of land we had to spend another 3 million to get the place built and assembled.

I'm not going to rage, I'll just take my hard-earned RW money and cancel my sub. I suggest anyone else that is extremely disappointed in this news follow my lead. I'm tired of wasting my money on a developer who consistently disappoints and cuts-corners with content.

They successfully ran the FF single-player series into the ground with the XIII series bastardization, SE will no longer receive my verbal or monetary support!

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

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Yes, I've been dealing with their crap since the beginning of 1.0. I just love (note: dripping with sarcasm) how they always choose to implement things in a way that has glaringly obvious issues; and only struggle to find a solution after floundering in the shit hole.

Been waiting since 2.0 for personal housing, only to receive a slap in the face with these crazy prices all over again. Totally regretting renewing with a 180-day subscription last week, thinking to support SE. At least it'll last me till expansion. Gonna cancel my automatic renewal later.

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Originally Posted by Zileth

They didnt say it was was going to be 800K or promised it be 800K

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Actually you are correct, but only barely. He actually said it would be more than 850k. This was at the niconico event in May. He spoke at length about how personal housing should be affordable. Combine that with this post back in December where he spoke of the issues regarding the implementation of FC Housing. He spoke directly to the issue of Future Personal Housing Prices. Indicating that they would NOT be the same as FC Housing prices.

I do not mind a bit higher prices. I DO mind that personal housing is MUCH more expensive than previously told. I DO mind that FC and Personal Housing are IDENTICAL. I DO mind that personal housing is merely in the "back" end of the current housing wards. I was super excited for new "personal housing wards" that were going to be different than the current wards. We have been teased about this for a while, right down to the locked gates headed towards other wards. There is a locked gate going to what a lot of believed to be personal housing wards in every city and another locked gate in every housing ward.

Yes, we are at fault for making certain assumptions, but I for one truly believed Yoshi-P flat out lied to us. This is NOT what we wanted. This is NOT what we were promised. This is exactly the same debacle as it was when he released FC housing and the community had an uproar over it. I have had complete faith in YoshiP and understand that mistakes happen. But this is the first time he has repeated said mistake on such a grand scale. Learning from past outings is the key in an MMO (like life) and he clearly did NOT learn from what he did back in January.

Saved up 4 mil, thought it would be enough for a medium house :( maybe enough for a small *IF* I'm fast enough. This so sucks. Was really looking forward to a personal house. I guess I should just keep saving. I don't want to be rushed to grab a plot, would like to take my time to pick one but if I do that, there won't be any left... Two wards is no where near enough, not sure what they were thinking with just the two extra wards and the prices. Why does an individual have to pay the same as a whole FC?! They should have made personal housing areas seperate from FC housing areas...

I've not been pissed off at SE for their choices with this game until now. what happened to the "cheaper than FC housing"? How is TWO measly wards going to be enough? on my server, that'll sell out within 10 minutes. This is completely fucking stupid of them. I was really looking forward to this since my FC insists on staying in the Goblet and I despise that area, I wanted to get a gridania house. Not going to happen now though.

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Originally Posted by Mythria

Why does an individual have to pay the same as a whole FC?! They should have made personal housing areas seperate from FC housing areas...

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I can't emphasize this enough. Why not offer an alternate single house instanced area that's affordable to all? The neighborhoods are cool and all but I'd rather just have my house than the neighborhood. I could enjoy that when I visit the FC HQ house.

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My issue isn't the price, I even know a few people that could buy a large house. My issue is that the individual housing is shared with FC housing. On my server, there are many FCs out there that would love to snatch up even a small plot, but they have been taken for some time now. I could buy a small plot pretty easily, but if I did, I would be taking a plot that a whole FC may have used, and I'm not about to do that. Such a pity, I was really looking forward to individual housing.

Aw cool naw i'm a poor homeless bloke!

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Originally Posted by Loony_BoB

This is pretty much the Worst Possible Thing.

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This is pretty much 100% accurate

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Originally Posted by niwaar

Yes, we are at fault for making certain assumptions, but I for one truly believed Yoshi-P flat out lied to us. This is NOT what we wanted. This is NOT what we were promised. This is exactly the same debaucle as it was when he released FC housing and the community had an uproar over it. I have had complete faith in YoshP and understand taht mistakes happen. But this is the first time he has repeated said mistake on such a grand scale. Learning from past outings is the key in an MMO (like life) and he clearly did NOT learn from what he did back in January.

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This... ALL this.

I'm so flabbergasted by this whole person housing thing. Like, is this a joke... right? Right...? Every time I get excited about a new feature being added to the game, it gets ruined. It's a fine art SE has created with doing so..

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Originally Posted by Satia

Yep i have 3.2mil and even that is not enough for the smallest plot of land on my server...looks like the gil buyers and mega rich legacy players are the winners this time.

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Mega poor Legacy player here, sharing your disdain about not being able to purchase a house. Maybe next year.

I'm also pretty disappointed in this saved up 8mil thinking maybe a med house but guess small if I can even get one with only two wards added. I am already to the point of quitting the game and really only thing I get on for anymore is gardening and was looking forward to personal housing so I could have all plots to myself, but guess that was too much to ask for? Well my sub is up in a couple of months and that may be the end of it. They did this as if they only had a couple of months to plan for it. They talk about server stress, well buy new servers... Where is all the money going you're pulling in from all of us? Oh and yes he did say it would be cheaper than FC housing...

Like an idiot I resubbed for another 180 days a week or so ago. Joke's on me.

I feel terrible for you folks that wanted a personal house. After the total debacle at the introduction of FC housing, I knew they would muck it up once these were realized. Decided I didn't aspire to get one anymore upon release. Maybe they'll drop the prices after a few months...?

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Originally Posted by Lucke

Like an idiot I resubbed for another 180 days a week or so ago. Joke's on me.

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High five! I just did the same thing last Friday.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

don't worry about rushing now that we know the prices (even though they barely changed)

* A large amount of additional land is also scheduled for implementation in patch 2.4.

i know i know another month is horrible.

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The problem is not the other extra month of wait, the problem is believing one word SE says after all this...

If you can afford the personal housing, please just wait... more Wards will be added anyways, and they will likely change the prices or something in the near future after this backlash.

Back when FC housing was added I was the second house in The Goblet on Behemoth, I paid 7.5m gil for the small house... only for the prices of small houses to go down not too long afterwards down to 2m gil. I wasn't given any of the difference back, so I suggest that people who CAN afford, just save it for now to not waste your money.

While the prices bug the hell out of me as well the main thing I can't stand is why in the hell are personal housing lumped into the same wards as FC houses?!

Sooo I'm pretty much buying an FC house pre-personal FC rooms for pretty much the same price AND I have to fight FCs for the land AND individual players...?

{No thanks}... I'll stick to the two FC houses I ALREADY worked my ass off for tyvm ^_^

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Originally Posted by niwaar

But this is the first time he has repeated said mistake on such a grand scale. Learning from past outings is the key in an MMO (like life) and he clearly did NOT learn from what he did back in January.

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Just because we'll eventually hit the "what if" tangents soon:

If they had made prices for small houses in the current wards 850K, you'd probably have dogfights over real estate between individual buyers and free companies trying to buy their own house (where the latter would be paying a much higher price for the same thing). The relative size of the homes most likely also has something to do with why the prices have stayed as they are. People would prefer to buy their own homes and FC housing would fall out of favor.

Granted, FC housing should really be something few can do, but at the same time that gives smaller FCs nothing to truly work for. It was a tough call, though I think the real mistake was not establishing some boundaries as far as what FCs would buy and what they could not while having no secondary housing system for adventurers. I would have made it so that Large plots would be FC-only, while small plots would be player-only. medium plots would be the in-between where extremely rich individuals or FCs with some resources but not massive wealth could buy them.

As a secondary housing system, you could have something like apartment complexes or barracks established by the GCs. Think a bigger moghouse with multiple chambers but still only one floor.

This way individuals have the options of having their own apartment or buying a small/medium house if they have the money while FCs would have medium or large houses. The technology is there if the existence of private chambers in FC houses is any indication.

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Originally Posted by Shadex

It is obvious that Yoshi and Square have learned absolutely nothing from the launch of this game and the release of the FC housing. To misrepresent something and then switch it at the last minute like this... AGAIN is just another slap in the face to their player base.

Thanks Yoshi for completely dropping the ball, regurgitating the same crap in a different wrapper... hell you made your entire career in this game doing that. If you weren't copying WoW you were copy pasting your own content with 'Hard' slapped on.

Sorry 98% of the players. We need to screw you over to get some RMT money out of the economy because we are so completely incompetent we can't do it any other way. But don't worry, once all the good plots are gone you can be happy to know that you can spend every gil you have saved for 6 months on a left-over piece of garbage... in the back... behind a dumpster.

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#truth

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Originally Posted by Lazearus

High five! I just did the same thing last Friday.

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Originally Posted by hqdm

It's a little surprising they're onpar with fc housing prices, given what they said in the past, but at the same time: game's been out a year, and 4m is chump change. You can make that much -easily- in a day (read: 3-6hrs) solo or party grinding.

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Care to share how? I'm assuming you mean materia.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Personal Housing
While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

We realize that these measures will not immediately satisfy all players, especially those on legacy Worlds who are either new to the game or returning from extended absences. We ask for your patience and understanding as we strive to create a balanced housing system.

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/thumbups #coolstorybro

If personal housing was to be implemented at a lower cost, then the houses would be bought by a single person at a much lower price than if a free company wanted it. They were forced to retain the same price by implementing personal housing this way.

Personal housing in of itself seemed like overkill from the start considering what is already existing. But I'm more confused as to what was announced/promised against what was actually released. Maybe this isn't finalized? Are we getting a new personal housing-only district?

What a farce. I never in my life figured it would be the SAME AS FC HOUSING. You know, personal housing/fc housing... they should be two seperate entities....
I have been looking forward to personal housing since before the launch of 2.0. This is just the biggest disappointment. And adding two wards? Are you purposefully trying to piss people off?
I just... nah, sod it. Not sure I'll bother. I'll just put the focus on the fc house and my private chambers for now I guess.
What a crock of shit.

Honestly this is a pure joke. SE could of done the more sane... yet albeit more time consuming method, and changed the free inn we get with our storyline quest, and have us pay 850K to get rid of the whole 'limitations' rule in place. Having it then act like a personal room akin to FC personal homes. The armoiore will of course still be in there, but everything else is gone, the chest housing old goods is now moveable, and you can also use the new items brought to you by crafters called... *drumrolls* 'Potting plants' and or 'window gardens'

I mean we get told we our the 'hero of light' and instead of being told that over and over, least the people of eorzea can do is throw us a damn bone after saving their arses so much.

Really thought they'd at least go the EQ2 route with housing, or something to that akin but holy hell SE, way to screw over people that play end game and want to be their own personal home interior decorator, but no..... guess i'll just do the menial task of working my crafters up and selling rare goods/mats. seeing only those who can play the market will be able to buy something for that amount.

E: And honestly, if yer gonna spout 'server limitations' and 'scarce resources' over and over, then do the right thing and fricking drop ps3 support. Cause we all know you can't really do crap so long as you spout this whole song and dance constantly. And this update shows

I began this game almost one month ago to this day. I'd like to think I've come pretty far in that month.

Then I see news like this.

It's truly disheartening to know that I, as a newer player to this game, will never be able to enjoy the "privileged" aspects of it. I may as well stop playing while I'm ahead.

Well...let's get ready for round two of homeless squatters breaking into people's homes.

I'm not going to bother to read this whole thread because I'm sure it's a waste of time so I'm just going to say that not only was the 800k a mistranslation (he actually said that 800k would not be enough) it was from last year before 2.1 and not at all said in relation to personal housing. You are taking a off-hand comment from last year and connecting it to a recent promise to allow personal houses, as if they plan everything they say over several months and aren't human. How would you like it if everything you said was held as a binding promise for so long? They can't win against such idiots that make up their fans.

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Originally Posted by niwaar

Actually you are correct, but only barely. He actually said it would be 850k. And yes he did speak it as a virtual promise during a recent live letter. He spoke at length about how personal housing should be affordable.

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Like this, christ dude he said it in the last live letter before 2.1, December LAST YEAR, except he didn't say that at all it was mistranslated. I can only admire the fortitude of the devs and community managers because if I was them I would of exploded in a rage against the blatant lies people keep on spreading.

Hey its only 70million for a large house on my server. Who doesn't ghave that?

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

I'm not going to bother to read this whole thread because I'm sure it's a waste of time so I'm just going to say that not only was the 800k a mistranslation (he actually said that 800k would not be enough) it was from last year before 2.1 and not at all said in relation to personal housing. You are taking a off-hand comment from last year and connecting it to a recent promise to allow personal houses, as if they plan everything they say over several months and aren't human. How would you like it if everything you said was held as a binding promise for so long? They can't win against such idiots that make up their fans.

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Aside the 800k comment...this is what I am looking at mostly:

I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.
He lied. It's THE SAME price as a FC house.