Your thoughts on the direction of this game?

SE needs to remove or drastically reduce the gear treadmill. fast content releases is good, fast negation is very bad.

My views on XIV is the game is designed purly on throwaway content and vanity (0 character progression) content. There is nothing you work for that improves you for the long term. Everything is designed around a 3-6month cycle and that needs to stop. Ilvl should be removed in its entirety it is just extremely limiting because it shoves everything into a vertical progression cycle. Gear cannot last long because you cannot have a extremely rare lvl 20 Ilvl150 piece which is good to endgame because it screws up the Ilvl lockouts. I just forces all increases to negate everything.

Aka Patch 2.4 will negate all of 2.2 and 2.3 if it follows the SE progression model. Which to me is a horrible way to add new content. All content should have something in it that makes it last at least 1-2yrs min.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

you could run coil2 for ur gear instead of complaining here u can get it outside of coil? Threads these days...

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That's like picking between winning the lottery and working for the rest of your life, why work for the rest of your life when you can have all the money you need? This game makes content useless too fast. There needs to be a lot more horizontal progression than vertical.

I'm glad that you have made the decision to stop doing something you are not having fun doing. I wish you well in your travels and hope that you find a pleasurable way to spend your leisure time.

Good day sir and or madam.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

SE needs to remove or drastically reduce the gear treadmill. fast content releases is good, fast negation is very bad.
Aka Patch 2.4 will negate all of 2.2 and 2.3 if it follows the SE progression model. Which to me is a horrible way to add new content. All content should have something in it that makes it last at least 1-2yrs min.

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Have to agree with everything in this post even the stuff I snipped, really upsetting all the primals are useless in 3 months.

If I had to describe it in a word it would be schizophrenic. I feel like there are a lot of little incongruities between how the game felt at 2.0 and how the game feels now at 2.3. Somewhere around 2.2 I feel like there was a tonal shift, and the highly streamlined game with a point to prove and a bounce in its step became mired in pointless grind for the sake of grind. It feels at odds with how throwaway a lot of content in the game feels.

On one hand I can be any job I want at any time I want with relatively little hassle, gather and craft with relative ease to be self-sufficient and easily move in and out of content with friends whenever we feel like doing something. The initial 1-50 process is fairly intelligent and a good tool to bring veterans and novices to the same page and get everyone playing together quickly. On the other hand I feel like someone decided that we needed a bit more interdependence and quite a few more timesinks so a lot of highly RNG-dependent grinds were introduced for content that I don't quite think needed it.

Obviously I need to be chasing the carrot on the stick or I won't continue to subscribe. I'm not debating that, and I'm willingly subjecting myself to it by being here. For now I'm going to continue staking my claim in content with a bit more permanence to it, such as housing and vanity and minion/mount hunting. Sometimes it does make me wonder however how things are going to look maybe 3 years from now or more. I guess only time will tell.

I don't like it. It's becoming farmfest/grindfest MMO like the other games I hate.

and the new content they keep making instant kill mechanics.

exept weishan all the change of the 2.2-2.3 have come mostly for please player oldschool, grind and long term goal. they are content directly taken from old game.
i think they have gone wrong with the 2.2-2.3, instead to offer challenge and multiple activity, they have try to follow a simple design raid+dungeon+smal anexe activity. but that soo wrong. we need more than this, dungeon and raid are nice, but must'nt be the only activity with a good progression.

one more point, the vertical progression they are doing it's bad, really really bad. the speed it's too fast, with the 2.4 we will probably see the i130 gears. when our max level is 50 almost 3 times our level... that not normal that way too much! they need to slow down the gears evolution, they need to offer content that will be of the same difficulty with different reward. a bit of horizontal progression is needed...

ps: i seriously hope the 2.4 will be different of the 2.2-2.3, we need to get balance between grind and fast reward... and more important... please, pretty please give us stuff fun to do! and true challenge, if i want to play DDR, i will go play DDR... not ff14

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

This game was made for "First time MMO'ers" in mind.
They've watered this game down to a core, where even a Simepleton as myself, knows what to do. That's why.
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You also got Gear Treadmill [I think I am using this term correctly?] As Kiara said.
Every 3 months, time to gear up. Please...just please give me Golden Saucer and Personal Housing.

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Definitely agree. Recently came back from 6 month break, Got ilvl90 gear and then started on soldiery tome grind but realized that a) since I don't do any of the hard fights, I don't need it and b) the soldiery gear will almost inevitably be much easier to get when new gear is released so why grind on it now?

So all I am doing now is gathering and saving money for personal housing and golden saucer hoping that will be all I hope for.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

exept weishan all the change of the 2.2-2.3 have come mostly for please player oldschool, grind and long term goal. they are content directly taken from old game.

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No, they are not same.all contents were poorly implemented or watered down in ARR

1.AF quests in 1.23 were group content. (they are like the first relic(ilv80) quests in ARR,very good quests)
2.You can't mindless zerg in 1.23.
3.NMs was using the "claim system",they were tough fights. not "hit it few times and let random people kill it for you".
4.There were no DF,so you have to create your own party.be nice,and be helpful.
5.Behest/Hamlet Defense/skimish/faction leves were much better designed than FATE/ATMA/NOVUS/

and many more.......

- monster party, not mindless zerg?
- af quest was a group quest true, but the relic quest was a grind too
- NM was tune down a lot in the 1.23, with the 10 minutes repop, not the 30 minute to 48 hours we did get it's true, but it was said while the beta that the nm will never come back (i did it take it like an insult to all the player that have fight for take out this outdated content of the game
- they aren't the same content at all, you can't compare behest/hamlet/skirmish with the FATE/ATMA/NOVUS...

the trouble is not what it's different but what it's the same, the grind for the grind it's pointless and must be avoid. we are in 2014, don't tell me we can't offer challenge that have high replayability when game like left 4 dead can do it, no?

There is something I would like them to do in this game, they did in a previous game that I liked.

They should make a series of solo dungeons with puzzles like they did in final fantasy X

with the orbs, panels, pillars and so on even if you have to make them with other players.

something other than just straight fighting to get to the end. mix it up.

This is my first mmo.. the game is great. but we need more new things, i see a lot of potencial to syrcus tower, and hullbreaker isle. Maybe yoshida want to "teach" how to play this game and later he and his team will add the real difficult things..

i hope so!

A huge division of players - Static, LS, hunt, etc,

Gd static gets all e gear, whilst the rest separates into smaller grps or stop playing.

"Its like rich get richer, poor gets poorer."

Youtube "sort of stigmatise game play" according to job type, if one doesn't grind all jobs to lvl50, they hv no chance
to participate in various game/dungeons/coil.
and feeling of this game getting worse than Diablo3,

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

- monster party, not mindless zerg?
- af quest was a group quest true, but the relic quest was a grind too
- NM was tune down a lot in the 1.23, with the 10 minutes repop, not the 30 minute to 48 hours we did get it's true, but it was said while the beta that the nm will never come back (i did it take it like an insult to all the player that have fight for take out this outdated content of the game
- they aren't the same content at all, you can't compare behest/hamlet/skirmish with the FATE/ATMA/NOVUS...

the trouble is not what it's different but what it's the same, the grind for the grind it's pointless and must be avoid. we are in 2014, don't tell me we can't offer challenge that have high replayability when game like left 4 dead can do it, no?

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You are right in some points:
1.I like the "Eft party"in 1.0-1.1x more than the "Fire party" in 1.23.
2.If you are casual player, not an "elite" you don't need a relic, my best weapon was the moogle blade
3.they are not same, but 1.23 had better party content.

Meet new friends, play with friends,help each others,work together (eft grind party,moogle keystone party),play together,
have fun together ,have good memories,this is what a true mmo should be.

sorry my english, but you got my meaning

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Originally Posted by Aylis

I'm pretty sure I do and no its not a WoW clone. At least WoW was entertaining past its opening year.

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The Logic is mindnumbing in this one LOL,
If you find the game lacking entertainment for any of you people complaining on here why in the damn world are you still playing; pack your bags and go home.
For the rest of the individuals complaining about the game with its lack of content or it's simpleton raiding experience; Cheesus Chrust at least for the Mother of Eorzea Complete all the damn content before you complain..

anyhow best of luck to your gaming experience no matter how trivial it "may" be.

I'm enjoying this game.
My friends and I have fun on the content. We all find it challenging, and it's fun.
We work together, and it's thrilling when, as a group, there's that big, "F*ck yeah!" When we see the Avatar go down.
Or when that mount drops after 2 hours of sometimes hilariously bad attempts mixed in with the "Oh, nice thinking!" type-moments.

I like creating things in the crafting system.
I like putting together the perfect glamour.
I like laughing on Teamspeak with my friends.

I like helping new players form statics and clear content.
I just like the game.

I swear, some people are so obsessed over stuff they don't like they can't enjoy anything else.
Hunts are crowded/exploited. Deal or move on.
Everyone wants to DPS, not many want to Tank. Queues will be long.
Some stuff takes time or luck. Nobody is making you do that content.

Find what you enjoy. Do it.
And ignore what you don't.

It's a theme park wow clone where gears change every 6 months. I gave up on this game being hardcore, now I just play it casually when I feel like and take breaks when I don't. Can't play too much because of Coil lockouts anyway.

Thanks to Yoshi token design and 6-months gears it's impossible to be left behind anyway or make any real progress.

Hunts are so pathetic. they need to make it more like NMs. make it harder and give it more HP. not just being victims of zerging.

Personally? I'd like some more jobs and classes but that's about it for me.

I like the game as it is and if it continues to progress like this then I'm happy.

I play the game more for the social side, I have an amazing FC and a great group of friends - so long as we can continue to do silly little events and hang out then I'm happy.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I have never watched a video before a fight and i will never do so.
Gaming has always been about exploring and learning to me, not look up guides how to complete stuff.

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Well said :)

Do ppl realize that the difference between 2.2 or even 2.0 and 2.3 is just a broken system SE released in a rush? the game had no direction then and it has no direction now, and never ever say hunts are a system created to please the old school players, because that's just a lie, the hunt is only appreciated for those who like convenience, of course most will use the false argument of working together...

And one more thing, this first expansion was planned even before the launch, it will change nothing, we can only expect changes after the expansion.

SE actually announced during the last live letter that they've already planned 4 years in advance...

But again I'm not bothered I like the game, I like where it's going.

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Originally Posted by Renik

Do ppl realize that the difference between 2.2 or even 2.0 and 2.3 is just a broken system SE released in a rush? the game had no direction then and it has no direction now, and never ever say hunts are a system created to please the old school players, because that's just a lie, the hunt is only appreciated for those who like convenience, of course most will use the false argument of working together...

And one more thing, this first expansion was planned even before the launch, it will change nothing, we can only expect changes after the expansion.

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The whole game is for people who like convenience, get off your high horse. DF, instant teleport, echo, token gears, yoooo.

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Originally Posted by Renik

Do ppl realize that the difference between 2.2 or even 2.0 and 2.3 is just a broken system SE released in a rush? the game had no direction then and it has no direction now, and never ever say hunts are a system created to please the old school players, because that's just a lie, the hunt is only appreciated for those who like convenience, of course most will use the false argument of working together...

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I get the feeling you weren't there in the beta forums where people were begging for NMs because of FFXI nostalgia. And if I recall there was another thread on these forums sometime after launch asking for the same thing. There have been people asking for it. Don't pretend Hunts were just dropped on our laps out of the blue...even if I did wish the devs would have ignored those individuals.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I get the feeling you weren't there in the beta forums where people were begging for NMs because of FFXI nostalgia. And if I recall there was another thread on these forums sometime after launch asking for the same thing. There have been people asking for it. Don't pretend Hunts were just dropped on our laps out of the blue...even if I did wish the devs would have ignored those individuals.

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Asking for content is not the same as asking for the implementation that the devs chose to use when they went about adding it, or the reward system that came with it.

There's a large difference between "Hey we need more open world content like NMs and such!" and "Hey you should make NMs invalidate 90% of endgame content!"

please lets not sit here and pretend its even close to the same thing.

People keep trying to push how Hunts ended up on the players asking for content to do, as if the developers weren't being paid specifically to deliver content that works

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I get the feeling you weren't there in the beta forums where people were begging for NMs because of FFXI nostalgia. And if I recall there was another thread on these forums sometime after launch asking for the same thing. There have been people asking for it. Don't pretend Hunts were just dropped on our laps out of the blue...even if I did wish the devs would have ignored those individuals.

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I was and i asked for NMs, but instead they made another faceroll content that is bad balanced in every way, so no, this is not what ppl wanted. This horrendous system we have now is the result of a bad implementation, and it's really far from what ppl wanted.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I'm not a very big fan of, get gear for 3 months, then new patch and new gear, and repeat.

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I concur with you

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I get the feeling you weren't there in the beta forums (..)

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There are still some things left we had in BETA who are not implemented yet... I guess low priority.
It is a bit strange, but since Yoichi Wada gone something changed... It feels like they try to be cheap.
I liked Wada!

A lot of good points and concerns brought up in this thread. Though, many of which I've already read in some form or another on these forums.

A few things that resonate with me are, of course, the gear-treadmills, rehashing of old content and spoon-feeding it back to us as "new," dismally low RNG on some things here and there, their tendency to over-complicate and put restrictions on things like vanity, PvP, (and both together!), etc. and just be generally disconnected from what sorts of things appeal to their playerbase; from the Letter from the Producer about hunts:

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Players who don't have quite as much time on their hands, however, can use the Hunt board to slowly build up Allied Seals at their own pace.

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So... 7 seals per day to build up to vanity starting at 500 seals a piece? Yeah, that's more appealing than the alternative where I can arrive somewhat late to an A rank and get almost double that. Please look forward to it.

I mean, they have a tendency to hype seemingly small things up (read: dyeable AF, new furniture, and feeding your chocobo its favorite food) only for us to find out that it's locked behind something tedious task or at the mercy of a low RNG. I mean, it's pretty bad when I genuinely laughed when someone made a joking comment in the "Dye your Chocobo" thread that to dye your chocobo you'll need 5-star craft items and a low-drop rate item from the extra chest in Syrcus Tower... "Next Relic weapon Upgrade: Glazenuts and Broombrush. Not in a FC currently growing those? Working as intended."

My last and possibly biggest gripe though is how we're getting a lot of low-man content or content for 1 party when it goes without saying that there is an interest for content for multiple parties like Crystal Tower. I mean, they brought up programming problems or what-have-you as an excuse to say why we aren't having server-side alliances yet; but then one comment during the E3 Live Letter really sort of irked me. It was that question as to when we can expect larger-scale content that something like an FC could participate in together. The question was sort of misconstrued from its original form (I should know, I more or less asked it) to sound like "content for large/ max-size FCs" and the answer was along the lines of "there are small FCs that could not participate in these sort of things, so we aren't thinking about making them."

Okay, so we won't see content outside of Crystal Tower (once server-side alliance building is ready) for larger-scale content because there's small FCs? If you say so devs.

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Originally Posted by Renik

I was and i asked for NMs, but instead they made another faceroll content that is bad balanced in every way, so no, this is not what ppl wanted.

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Was it one of those "I want NMs in the game" posts without any thought of what it would do to the game? I saw a ton of those, would roll my eyes at them then tried to futilely explain why it's a bad idea in a theme park MMO.

I wouldn't have the issue I have with hunts and NMs if they were a true side activity. Neat titles, vanity gear, vanity pets and so on. Continuously adding stuff to hunt rewards as the game aged. That would actually work while giving people something to do outside of gear progression. Sadly, no one asked for that, and the threads on beta as well as here instead insisted that NMs be an alternate progression route (which necesitated oils and sands entering the picture); in some cases they never specified how they think NMs should have been implemented.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

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Seeing oils, sands, and alex on hunts was a surprise, a bad one, i don't think anyone asked for them, and if someone did it was wrong. On the other hand, we are supposed to ask for things we want, not say how they should be implemented, and even if we do SE has already proven they don't want our ideas, they just use their own bad implemented ones. But is this is not enough for you, it seems like i have read the alpha, beta and actual forums more than you because i remember some good ideas for NMs that SE simply decided to ignore.

Now redirect your anger to the dev team, this fail system is their fault, ppl would ask for NMs and open world sooner or later, but they decided to implement it this way.

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Originally Posted by WeiShan

ARR is a WOW clone,so it will also face the same fate,
after few months or 1 year, people will get tired of it and leave, and jump to the next "modern" clone.

Many XI/1.23 player had already warned that ARR won't have the longevity like XI/XIV1.23 did.

XIV 1.23 was heading in a very good direction,contents were carefully designed.
It had a good community, I met some friends in that game
People log-in not just because the game was fun,because they want to play with each others,
not mindless grinding for tomes or gears.

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If it truly was so good then why does ARR exists?
No dev in their right mind would remake a whole game if it wasn't a disaster they tried to fix. Otherwise a couple big patches would have fixed it.

Ahem... *rolls up her sleeves and prepares to pull no punches*

First off, as a disclaimer, I don't hate the game no matter what this post may claim. Far from it, I genuinely love the game, but I'm utterly crushed about the direction the devs have decided to take content. It's a genuine slap in the face to anyone who played 1.0, and an even bigger slap in the face to any players who enjoy playing at their own pace. Here's why.

CRAFTING: Everything works fine up to 2-star recipes. We find items, we synthesize with them, we can meld our gear to improve our chances, but we don't need to go too crazy just to get up to a level where we can make the good stuff.

Enter the update: We're now forced to grind out high-quality items. Five of which require 9 of a rare material, and are required for the books. A further 50 of which have a difficulty rivalling 3-star recipes, and each one requires rare materials only found in gathering points which show up once every 70 minutes. That's 200 crawler cocoons, for those doing their math, and that's assuming you can HQ every time. All this just to even GET the tools necessary to attempt the 3-star recipes.

So, let's reiterate. You need maximum stats to even ATTEMPT the 3-star recipes. You need 45 potash or equivalent, assuming no NQ's. And all this just to ultimately create GLAMOR items since the highest we can craft is a mere ilvl 90. I swear, Square-Enix just plain hates us crafters...

COMBAT: So, you want a new sword eh? Perhaps your staff isn't quite as sturdy as you might like. Maybe your bow needs to be a touch more accurate? Enter the Zodiac weapons!

Ugh... there are literally a billion posts explaining why the Atma grind is both stupid, boring and meaningless so I won't go into too much depth. If you need this explained to you, then you're probably the type who thinks Pong is the most engrossing video game in history. Suffice to say you can either get really lucky, or you can waste hours doing the same thing over and over never getting anywhere nearer.

Okay, so you've ground out your Atmas. What next? Tomes of mythology? Easy as pie! Wait, I need how many?! 13,500 tomes. I'm just going to let that sink in for a few minutes. On average even the best dungeon only gives you 70 tomes, with a couple of hundred if you do your dailies every day. Oh, did I forget to mention that's just to pick up a single book, which then has further grinding to be done for completing it? Do I dare even mention that some of those tasks involve Fates, which can involve standing around in the SAME SPOT for hours waiting for the thing to show up?

Okay, fine... we've worked hard. We have our Animus, so what's next? Thal's balls, you must be joking right?

Let's talk about Novus shall we? Because it needs discussing. So, you spend yet more myth to get some inks and then obtain your lovely scroll. So far, so good. You then need to find two things. Firstly, materia to meld to your scroll. Secondly, Alexandrite.

I'm rather glad that they were smart enough to add Alexandrite map to a daily quest. This at least gives people a guaranteed way to obtain their Novus, so we can at least notice some form of progression. A step in the right direction after that awful Atma quest. However, the way they approached the materia melding itself is just silly. I'm glad you don't lose your alexandrite, but on the other hand the grade of the materia has ZERO effect on the weapon. Grade I? 1 point. Grade 2? 1 point. Grade 4? 1 point.

The different grades are only there to act as a 'reset' point for the success rate. This means that ultimately you'll be paying a fortune just to finish your novus, or spending all your spare time spiritbonding to obtain the tier 4's needed.

GLAMORS: Why? Just why? I can understand wanting to look unique, and therefore making some of the nicer items that little bit harder to obtain, but wow... these guys really hate crafters!

Most of the glamor specific items require rare components which are about as hard to obtain as the novus weapons themselves. Most of them are rare finds from treasure maps. Treasure maps which, I should point out, can only be found once per day. That's before I even mention things like Mist Silk... which is a rare find from a map which itself is a rare find in another treasure chest, from another treasure map.

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I'm not overly pleased about the direction many of the recent updates have taken, to be honest. The core game is still there, and it's still fun to play, but it's being glossed over by endless grinds and boring hunts with no reward in sight most times. The nice things have become the sole prize of the very lucky or the very rich, which is a far step beyond the casual game it opens out as.

I just want the devs to take one step back, take a good look at what they're creating and then think "how can we make these fun and interesting rather than endless grinds?". Maybe then, just maybe, they'll do something to remedy the issues which plague it.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

If it truly was so good then why does ARR exists?
No dev in their right mind would remake a whole game if it wasn't a disaster they tried to fix. Otherwise a couple big patches would have fixed it.

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Many players helped them with solutions and ideas to fix it, but mostly the answer of SE was:
The game engine does not allow us to do so, because...

They were too focused on the "remake" thing, they havnt even tryed to fix something...
Mostly with the words: "in 2.0 all will be better"

Edit: Well not really true, because they tryed to help us against RNG with adding garuda tokens 100% and skirmish loot... and some other stuff, that all vanished in 2.0

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Many players helped them with solutions and ideas to fix it, but mostly the answer of SE was:
The game engine does not allow us to do so, because...

They were too focused on the "remake" thing, they havnt even tryed to fix something...
Mostly with the words: "in 2.0 all will be better"

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To be fair, it was more of a rebranding. FFXIV 1.0 had a stigma attached to it which it wasn't going to shake off easily. It needed to be remade and rebranded in order to become anything remotely successful.

I don't begrudge their decision. I miss the good parts of 1.0, sure, but I can understand why they needed to do what they did. I just wish they'd kept their eyes on the prize the whole time and remodeled old ideas rather than destroying them entirely.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

exept weishan

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She had a point though - The director/producer Naoki Yoshida has been straight forward with calling this a WoW clone essentially as that was his goal. Find any interview or talks when someone mentions the design of this game or look back on ARR development and how he went to Blizzard for inspiration.

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have come mostly for please player oldschool

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According to this community, the "old school" population is the minority - SE wouldn't focus on the minority, as people here love to state.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I get the feeling you weren't there in the beta forums where people were begging for NMs because of FFXI nostalgia

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Except it's been done way better in FFXI and even 1.x than it is here. I get it's the cool thing to state this to try to have a point, but when the source material and previous version does it better..there's a problem. XI has been on a forced spawn system for 7+ years, more than half of it's life span.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Continuously adding stuff to hunt rewards as the game aged. That would actually work

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So yeah, once again something FFXI and XIV 1.x did. So you can't blame 'FFXI nostalgia' for something the dev team of FFXIV admitted was a last minute option. Btw, it's been over a year since the beta and they're doing a last minute addition now? You don't please people by doing something a year later and trying to blame that for the reason :p

Honestly, I kind of miss Hiromichi Tanaka. Not that I don't like Yoshi-P, but his will to please everyone is just horrible because he's doing terrible things to please people that just log on once or twice a week by giving so many handouts.

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Originally Posted by Barimu

Honestly, I kind of miss Hiromichi Tanaka. Not that I don't like Yoshi-P, but his will to please everyone is just horrible because he's doing terrible things to please people that just log on once or twice a week by giving so many handouts.

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I don't think it's about giving "handouts" - I think that he just didn't understand what players enjoyed about the old NM systems in XI and how it could translate to the modern mmo. I don't think we would have nearly as many complaints if the "hunts" had been a re-interpretation of the ZNM system in XI. That's a good example of something that a linkshell could work together on, take down powerful monsters in the world, and get a good reward for success. Instead, he put in monsters that were basically 0 challenge for a zerg, and they drop far too much reward. FAR too much.

So in short - it's only going to take a couple more of these idiotic systems before I take my gaming dollars back to blizzard. At least when their playerbase screams at them that something is broken, they acknowledge it and try to come up with reasonable adjustments. SE just doesn't care. It's like they believe that the job is over now that gaming mags and sites have re-reviewed it and given them a 9\10.

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I agree with what you said, the fact they made it so in theory the whole server can go fight one of these mobs is ridiculous. Honestly, this game keeps pushing me back to FFXI, and I know its not the same nostalgic game I once played but since they added ilvls to that game, hell it's practically this game with more content to do.

1.0 failed, it was horrible, get over it already.
It is the only game I ever wanted my money back from for a collectors edition.

If you played it and liked it, your a fool and your opinion should be ignored.