Dragoons are getting their Wyvern (not explicitly announced, Yoshi vid inside)

Like I said many times, when the Wyvern is out give the DRG some kind debuff that reduce his STR and ATT (for example) and add this reduced stats to the Wyvern (have to balance it out ofc). In that case DRG won't get imba. And If you feel that the DRG is gimp with the Wyvern, simply don't summon it and the DRG will keep his strenge as he used to have.

It could possibly mean when he said that the limit breaks are being tweaked so it matched their job.
So Dragoon's wouldn't be charging Final Heaven and Monk's won't be wielding a sword.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

Dragoon is not a pet class. Ugh....so stupid. FFXI really warped you maniacs.

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I don't want Dragoon to be a pet class any more than you do, but why can't it be? People act like things from FFXI don't count as classic Final Fantasy traits. They seem to think that as long as it was in any Final Fantasy but 11, then it okay to use. You could mention something completely out of place with 14, but no one will complain if it has some obscure link to FF3.

People also seem to forget that new stuff is added in every Final Fantasy title. That is how the franchise got it's wealth of traditions and lore. It's not like they are talking about making Ifrit the god of water... it's adding something that is easily explainable lore-wise and even has precedent.

I don't want another Wyvern pet, due to... well, already stated, but feeling like I need to rely on a damn Wyvern. Besides, dragoons in this game are more inclined to KILL dragons. However, I would agree to the limit break idea.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I don't want Dragoon to be a pet class any more than you do, but why can't it be? People act like things from FFXI don't count as classic Final Fantasy traits. They seem to think that as long as it was in any Final Fantasy but 11, then it okay to use.

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Probably because in every incarnation of the Dragoon in Final Fantasy, they have only used a Wyvern pet exactly once, in XI. Every other incarnation, including the very first in FF2 and the most popular in FF4, didn't use them at all.

It's the same as Ninja being a tank job. Only happened in XI and only because cleverly using job mechanics.

Dragoons. While they became iconic when they were first introduced. I recall seeing them riding on top of wyverns in the art back then and to me they only ever stood out thanks to FFTA and FFXI.

So without a Wyvern Pet or FFT's breath attack it just feels like a DPS class with a jump animation novelty that has no flavor to it.

Currently Dragoons are nothing more than a laughing stock and even Square-Enix made fun of them in the 16 bit Titan Extreme video. Maybe it is time to add something new to them outside of jump so they can stand out even when they jump.

Personally I'd rather wyverns get added and do very small dps.
That way the new Dragoon abilities consists of breath attacks for AoE damage abilities which can help it stand out more and Spirit Surge so current Dragoons can jump more and their jumps get beneficial stats.

Win win situation right there since Dragoons wont get nerfed.

When I posted this, I was actually just excited at the possibility of getting a cool ass, role play friendly mount. I don#t care if it becomes a companion type entity or not, I just want to ride around on it. having said that, I do like what Yoshi said about it. perhaps it's some kind of sub class of DRG or something.

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Originally Posted by Soulscar

*groan* Another gun jumper making assumptions. First I never played FFXI, I just know of the relationship of DRG and Wyvern. Second of all, have you seen the thread title, it states "not explicitly announced".

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Even if that were the case (which it isn't because you ARE jumping the gun and using the OP to rile up people's FFXI nostalgia), that'd be very lore-breaking seeing what DRGs are in Hydaelin and what they stand for. I'd see the possibility of a wyrm defecting from the dravanian hordes to your side and acting as a mount. Even then I'd ask "why is the DRG not killing that dragon out of instinct, since that's kind of what they do and who they are".

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Originally Posted by Niqote

Dragoons exist to kill dragons... so it makes no sense.

I am glad he did not say yes ^^;;; It would hurt me right in the Lore.

NPC: *Hands DRG a pet*
DRG: *stabs it*
DRG: Can I have another?
NPC: ...no

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This pretty much.

Holy shit, I just agreed with Niqote...

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Originally Posted by Felis

It is more like the more you use the DRG power the more the dragon power try to control your mind.

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oh, thanks, i wasnt so sure on that, i did it a while ago and didnt remember it right =P

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Even if that were the case (which it isn't because you ARE jumping the gun and using the OP to rile up people's FFXI nostalgia), that'd be very lore-breaking seeing what DRGs are in Hydaelin and what they stand for. I'd see the possibility of a wyrm defecting from the dravanian hordes to your side and acting as a mount. Even then I'd ask "why is the DRG not killing that dragon out of instinct, since that's kind of what they do and who they are".
This pretty much.

Holy shit, I just agreed with Niqote...

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Also, as I stated previously, the sentence the OP is quoting to claim that the pet has been confirmed is highly misleading and out of context. Wyvern pets have NOT been confirmed at all. Of course, this won't stop posts popping up for the next patch with people saying "YOSHI PROMISED US WYVERNS WHY ISNiT IT HAPPENING!!! RAWR! WE WERE LIED TO!

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

I came in this thread worrying but it seems like he won't nerf Dragoon's power so thank goodness. That pet wyvern made Dragoon bad in FFXI.

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Tell that to Achtelle; the last real dragoon alive^^

In XI thats is.

They should just make it be a minion and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by rhemi1

Probably because in every incarnation of the Dragoon in Final Fantasy, they have only used a Wyvern pet exactly once, in XI. Every other incarnation, including the very first in FF2 and the most popular in FF4, didn't use them at all.

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For what it's worth, in Final Fantasy Dimensions (which is an excellent entry in the series, btw), the character you learn the Dragoon job from rides on a dragon. True, it's not a battle pet, but it is a companion to the character.

From the interview I read at IGN it seems like Yoshi is just going to implement Wyvern minion lol

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Originally Posted by Parodine

The world is not black and white. As there are bad dragoons it goes to say there are probably 'good' dragons. And varying moral shades in between. I think it would make for a more complex story if we were to say team up with a dragon that broke out against the status quo and wanted to help us when he could.

But I mean, if you just want simple fetch quests for storylines, that's cool I guess. >_>

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How to Train your Dragon: FFXIV Edition

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Originally Posted by rhemi1

Probably because in every incarnation of the Dragoon in Final Fantasy, they have only used a Wyvern pet exactly once, in XI. Every other incarnation, including the very first in FF2 and the most popular in FF4, didn't use them at all.

It's the same as Ninja being a tank job. Only happened in XI and only because cleverly using job mechanics.

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Paladin doesn't have any viable healing spells like they do in every other FF. Isn't that the same idea? They can do whatever they want. Something happening once before is all it takes to have precedent.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

Paladin doesn't have any viable healing spells like they do in every other FF. Isn't that the same idea? They can do whatever they want. Something happening once before is all it takes to have precedent.

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They can do whatever they want but it's gonna have a backlash if they ignore the reason why they are iconic to the "player". Just look at some of the existing jobs already especially Summoner.

If the reason that jobs are iconic aren't visually present then their implementations become questionable. What's the visual offset? Players are gonna lose something they love and gain what in return? This trade off isn't present so this is why we end up with these questionable topics. While a lot of the players are gonna have their own individual reasons to like them it boils down to visual representation.

Dragooon's jump is not only a novelty but a punishable one at that to the point that they even made fun of Dragoons in the 16 bit Titan Extreme video.
Paladins may look like Paladin's yet they don't have that visual representation thanks to their story and their kit. If they had Holy it would totally be worth it to play as one.
Summoner's suffer the most visually due to the Egi.

White Mages had that visual gear set appeal and revive is a little there visually as well. Can't really blame them here having White Mage stands out is a real task in itself.
Bards have their songs but just like White Mages it's not easy to pull them off to be visually appealing.
Monks at least feel like Monks even though we don't have the cool stuff like Suplex and Dolphin Blows.
Warrior stands out a little due to their Job quest line and visually appealing ability Steel Cyclone.

Black Mages really stand out visually due to them Fire III's, Flares, and Meteor.
Scholar is the only Job in the game to get some real visual representation love thanks to the fairy aside from Black Mage.

This will be a concern that also extends to the upcoming classes and jobs.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

*Groan* Another FFXI fan jumping the gun - Yoshi never said in that video "yes it's coming" - he just accepted that it's well requested and explained why it's not in the game and that to bring it into ARR would require major rebalancing of the DRG Job itself, something they don't want to do. So basically that came across to me as "You have a better chance of seeing a FFVII remake on PS3 than DRG getting a wyvern pet in ARR, at least in the next few years."

Besides, how FFXIV is designed, there is literally zero need for a wyvern pet with DRG - the wyvern in FFXI after all had it's abilities and AI dictated by whatever sub-Job the player had equipped, something which doesn't exist in FFXIV, so yeah, you just know that if SE did add a wyvern to DRG here, it would not be how players expect it to be, and will complain and whine constantly about it (after all, look at the people complaining about SMN). It's just something that really isn't needed in FFXIV.

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The wyvern does not have to work the way the XI wyvern worked.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

So basically that came across to me as "You have a better chance of seeing a FFVII remake on PS3 than DRG getting a wyvern pet in ARR, at least in the next few years."

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....That is definitely not what he was saying.

Actually his exact words were:

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"We receieve many similar questions. Probably we could bring you the pet Wyvern anytime in the near future if we wanted to, but at the same time if we want that Wyvern to have the ability to attack the enemies along with the Dragoon then that means we need to reduce the strength of the Dragoon itself because we need to make sure there's a good balance in the party. So I'm sure that's not what players want. They wouldn't want us to reduce the strength that the Dragoon class has already. So as long as the Wyvern doesn't have that kind of special power then I'm sure we could implement it, so sometime in the future maybe you will see the pet Wyvern. We do have some plans and when you see how the story evolves around Reborn it might make sense to you."

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...Tell me how you see "Yeah you have a better chance of a FFVII remake on ps3 than a wyvern pet in ARR"

Maybe as a mount or a minion, or maybe it really will fight with us after all, or maybe it's factored into the LB. Whatever it is, he definitely said it's a possibility in the near future.

If they changed the DRG class to a pet class I would unsubscribe. None of the other classes are as fun to play. DRG is perfect just needs more jumps with different mechanics added to it when expansions hit.

If you want a pet class you have Summoner. If you want a Wyvern pet play more FF XI or add it as a companion like the chochobo. To change how a class plays around that destroying the style of play and why people chose it in the first place is silly.

Yeah that whole interview went along the lines of "so people want it but if we made it affect battle we'd have to gimp the drg himself and you don't want that, so we won't do it like that. But we will make a wyvern..." ...just screams that it'll be a minion.

This is how you guys set yourself up for disappointment so much. He is asked a common fan question, he gives his thoughts on the feasibility of implementing it, and everyone takes it as confirmation it is going to come. What does putting "not explicitly announced" in the topic achieve when you prefix it with a certain statement? It's a contradiction. I'm reminded of Life of Brian; Yoshida is the messiah and the official forums are the followers blowing everything he does way out of proportion.

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Originally Posted by Mahkaio

DRG is perfect just needs more jumps.

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When will the Job be renamed to Mario? Would totally love to hear that "blooing" sound after every jump.

I do like an idea brought up earlier in the thread about a Wyvern being incorporated in one of the new DRG LBs. Maybe have it be kinda like a dummied-down "Megaflare"?

Also, Yoshi also let slip that there'll be a new race coming in the next expansion (that I assume will be the same race as Yugiri from the 2.2 storyline), so that's exciting!

Did Dragoons ever have a pet in any other FF game?

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Originally Posted by Xairos

Did Dragoons ever have a pet in any other FF game?

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To my knowledge, the only games where Dragoons had any kind of a pet were FFXIII (Fang, TECHNICALLY a Dragoon because she wielded a spear, controlled the Eidolon Bahamut) and in Final Fantasy Dimensions, where (much like in the Suikoden universe), Dragoons had Dragons as "partners" in combat.

Though to be fair, other than as monsters/bosses and summons, peaceful dragons haven't really been much of a staple in Final Fantasy.

Not a single mention of Half Life 3, disappointing.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Though to be fair, other than as monsters/bosses and summons, peaceful dragons haven't really been much of a staple in Final Fantasy.

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The very first Final Fantasy had peaceful dragons, you had to fetch a rat tail for dragon king Bahamut to get class change.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

They should just make it be a minion and be done with it.

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This is just me but i hate how Minions are in this game cant have 1 out and mount up + cant have them out in a dungeon they seem really pointless to even use if you cant use them when you want.

Sorry to break the bubble for all Dragoons that were expecting to get a wyrm and as Yoshida said to IGN if that ever happens then the DRG will loose power to balance the class.

Link of the IGN Interview to Yoshida

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/...tions-answered

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

When will the Job be renamed to Mario? Would totally love to hear that "blooing" sound after every jump.

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But Mario is a dragoon...

What do you think Bowser is?

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

When will the Job be renamed to Mario? Would totally love to hear that "blooing" sound after every jump.

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Wait till addons come out i'm sure someone will make a sound addon that adds the "boing" sound when you use jump

When it comes to dragons I much rather kill them than have 1 as a pet, the dragon boss fights have always been my favourite in any FF game, I patiently await stone vigil HM for some dragon slaying. Watch the forum if it turns out stone vigil got taken over by flowers, ill b first to riot.

personally i'd rather there be an offshoot class of lnc with a wyvern pet wyvern knight

I'd rather the strength, burst, and mobility of the Dragoon itself than sacrifice parts of that for a likely mechanically uninteresting and/or awkward pet. I'd gladly take the option though, if it is in fact an option. I'd just likely turn the option down.

Hell, why not have the job take on any direction of three with expanded levels: can make it (1) heavier, with aspects of evasion / leap-tanking alongside heavy armor and good parry and counters, fire and frost resistance, etc., (2) increase mobility and related damage further, (3) get that lovely pet wyvern with interesting and powerful potential for coordination.

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Originally Posted by Nayto

But Mario is a dragoon...

What do you think Bowser is?

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Dragoons aren't as cool as Mario.

He's more of a Monk using Jump boots who can shoot fireballs who has an arsenal of weapons at his disposal and can transform into various things. Also has a brother and a princess is his lover.

Dragoon's will never be as cool as Mario at this point.

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Originally Posted by StudReaver

When it comes to dragons I much rather kill them than have 1 as a pet, the dragon boss fights have always been my favourite in any FF game, I patiently await stone vigil HM for some dragon slaying. Watch the forum if it turns out stone vigil got taken over by flowers, ill b first to riot.

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And guess what you'll be doing if you had it as a pet?

Spirit Surge kills the Wyvern pet so you can infuse your jumps with more power. Which is exactly what FFXI does.

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Originally Posted by Zoeila

personally i'd rather there be an offshoot class of lnc with a wyvern pet wyvern knight

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This. Hell make it a tank.

The motto, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer," comes to mind in this thread haha.

Still not sure why everyone is automatically jumping the gun in thinking by adding a Wyvern to the job that it has to become a pet class. Again, could merely be an aesthetic or mechanic to a new job ability when the level cap is raised and we get more job abilities.

Yoshi has basically come right out and stated that he won't turn DRG into a pet job so there's no worry there. Now why wouldn't you want for there to be a cool Wyvern aesthetic in another move? Perhaps you can call forth the energy of the dragons you've slain to shield you or strengthen you temporarily. The fact that he also mentions the story means that if they were to add in a Wyvern mechanic that it would be tied to a story which means the creation of additional lore. In fact, we partake in special job quests to get new job abilities, remember?

An MMO is an ever changing game, just because one piece of lore states one thing (Dragoons kill dragons in quests 1 thru 5) doesn't mean that a new piece of lore can't evolve from that (Dragoon becomes one with dragons in quests 6 thru 10).

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

This is how you guys set yourself up for disappointment so much. He is asked a common fan question, he gives his thoughts on the feasibility of implementing it, and everyone takes it as confirmation it is going to come. What does putting "not explicitly announced" in the topic achieve when you prefix it with a certain statement? It's a contradiction. I'm reminded of Life of Brian; Yoshida is the messiah and the official forums are the followers blowing everything he does way out of proportion.

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I wouldn't bother. People aren't even paying attention to the fact that nothing has been confirmed and are simply assuming it has been. I have made a couple posts saying that the video doesn't confirm anything, but people are ignoring that in favor of wishful thinking. All we can do is hold this in our back pocket so that when people start hating on SE for not putting a wyvern in we can say "Should have listened to us."

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

Not a single mention of Half Life 3, disappointing.

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E3. Please look foward to it.

I bet much like War got a Bear and Pld got a Lion that dragoon gets a wyvern mount in future, that is the most likely conclusion.