SE does not care that RMT ruin their game?

all the design effort put into materia transmutation (/smh), new hairstyles (/shurg), & PVP (more like PVmeh)...

So SE bans x number of rmt accounts last month... & x number of accounts this week... they will just ban more accounts next week from the same gill sellers.

It's like GMs & Devs don't log on to the same servers as the rest of us... They need to be logged on to our servers outside of their office hours & not in hidden/gm mode.

RTM spam has become a lot less frequent for me lately. When I started playing I'd get tells every day, now once a week, if I'm unlucky. But honestly it almost never happens anymore. Maybe I'm just lucky.

If they didn't care about RMT we'd have an actual real economy, with in demand items, open world bosses that drop rare items and hard to obtain ingredients that actually are worth something. Instead SE are so worried about gil sellers our economy is complete crap because nothing has any real value, we have no rare items/bosses because they are afraid RMT will monopolize them and nodes, gathering nodes everywhere.

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all the design effort put into materia transmutation (/smh), new hairstyles (/shurg), & PVP (more like PVmeh)...

So SE bans x number of rmt accounts last month... & x number of accounts this week... they will just ban more accounts next week from the same gill sellers.

It's like GMs & Devs don't log on to the same servers as the rest of us... They need to be logged on to our servers outside of their office hours & not in hidden/gm mode.

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I'm just going to say words like SE put work into that, this and those

And they actually took action on rmt then, now and later.

They must not actually play the same game because for some reason my previous two statements are now false?

I've just turn off the /tell option what are these rmt /tell you speak of. Most my chatting is FC/LS if I really need to /t someone Ill turn it on then other than that it mostly off.

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I've just turn off the /tell option what are these rmt /tell you speak of. Most my chatting is FC/LS if I really need to /t someone Ill turn it on then other than that it mostly off.

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Even with it filtered you would still be able to sent tells, you just wouldn't see they replys till you turned it back on. This is kinda of a round about way of doing it, just kinda of inconveniences you. but that's your choice
and I'm ok with that.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

They must not actually play the same game because for some reason my previous two statements are now false?

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Translation:
SE puts effort into content that has little player impact, yet we still have RMT & bots.
SE claims to ban accounts, yet clearly doesn't solve the problem because the same gil sellers keep coming back.
They should play the game & not rely on us to use a cumbersome reporting system. They will see the /tells, they will see the bots.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

Translation:
SE puts effort into content that has little player impact, yet we still have RMT & bots.
SE claims to ban accounts, yet clearly doesn't solve the problem because the same gil sellers keep coming back.
They should play the game & not rely on us to use a cumbersome reporting system. They will see the /tells, they will see the bots.

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YAY!!! Now that's a lot of people to employ, Would you really want the job of being in one zone for large amounts of time to police the movements of all players.
Content is a totally different team from the GM's and Task force. no real correlation there. What your wanting is an erozea police state. very unrealistic to implement.
I do agree that the reporting system needs work.

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Translation:
SE claims to ban accounts, yet clearly doesn't solve the problem because the same gil sellers keep coming back.

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Not a claim since they actually do it. Don't you think it would be counter productive to make it harder to get in the game to put a check process in place
to make sure the same people are not coming back that just got banned. there isn't a company on the planet that is going to road block revenue.

They will never get rid of RMT, only manage it. I just think they're still trying to figure out the best way to do it, on top of working on everything else. It's never as simple as banning on the spot.

ohboy...

Yes, they should employ people to monitor the game. And I'm sure they'd be thankful to have a job.

Meh. They can rearrange their resources to solve the problem. Take people off the hairstyles/pvp revamp team & put them on the RMT issue. Obvi not the concept artists but the programmers & coders.

SE claims. Without independent corroboration, it is a claim. & while they may ban an account they haven't stopped the people from coming back somehow.

"What your wanting is an erozea police state" Never made this suggestion. When one resorts to exaggeration they have lost the debate. Now shoo.

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Take people off the hairstyles/pvp revamp team & put them on the RMT issue..

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Right.. because releasing content slower is really going to keep people wanting to play this game. Are you planning to quit the game over RMT tells?

Slow content killed this game once already and RMT tells certainly hasn't. I'll pass on the reallocate resources from content that You don't care about idea. I can't help but be confused about the fact that you would rather they combat RMT over faster content releases of any sort, just because hairstyles and pvp don't float your boat doesn't mean other players don't enjoy it. Unless you think that programmers do less work than artists.. in which case you're just being naive.

The only change related to RMT that I would like to see is a right click > report spam/rmt option. SE can let the players do a lot of the work for them with that since the majority of players probably aren't likely to go through the current and inconvenient reporting method. I'm not sure why they don't have this option yet, it seems like it would be fairly simple to add, but maybe it's more complicated and they just haven't added it yet due to priorities.

Just another quality of life issue. But higher on my list (& other's I'm sure) than changing how game menu operations work. My point is that everyone (prolly, but most likely) is impacted by the RMT issue. Not everyone is participating in PVP, or changing their character's face/hair. Simple numbers game.

I have a character on Aegis that I had back when the NA servers were unavailable at launch. Now I rarely go over to it anymore but for grins I decided to login and leave myself on all day afk to see. Usually if I stand in town or anywhere for that matter too long the tells start coming. Not a single tell!!! Not so much as anything from anyone. Is something different on NA servers vs JP Servers with the community? Do we have players buying so much gil it's profitable to only spam the NA servers? I can't really answer that but not getting any tells in a day does surprise me very much.

What do you expect when the game is sold heavily discounted with a free month of game time.


These "gill sellers" probably by dozens or more of accounts when the game is in sale.

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I have a character on Aegis that I had back when the NA servers were unavailable at launch. Now I rarely go over to it anymore but for grins I decided to login and leave myself on all day afk to see. Usually if I stand in town or anywhere for that matter too long the tells start coming. Not a single tell!!! Not so much as anything from anyone. Is something different on NA servers vs JP Servers with the community? Do we have players buying so much gil it's profitable to only spam the NA servers? I can't really answer that but not getting any tells in a day does surprise me very much.

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Basing it off one server is hardly credible but I don't have all the facts either. I know it's pretty bad on Diabolos and I've heard it is on others as well. This morning I started seeing them spamming in Gridania with /shouts again.

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What do you expect when the game is sold heavily discounted with a free month of game time.

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This has little to no connection to the problem being discussed whatsoever.

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Just another quality of life issue. But higher on my list (& other's I'm sure) than changing how game menu operations work. My point is that everyone (prolly, but most likely) is impacted by the RMT issue. Not everyone is participating in PVP, or changing their character's face/hair. Simple numbers game.

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I hear you, everyone is impacted by it, but I don't think people are quitting because of it. On the other hand, I have more friends than I can count on both hands that have left this game due to lack of content, over half of them due to lack of PVP content. The way I see it is that the first priority should be keeping players in the game since that's the only way this type of game will survive. Like you said it's a simple numbers game and more subs = more money = more content/quality of life changes.

You do have a point. I can't say I know anyone who quit because of RMT. But it's very telling how widespread the problem is, most directly in FC chat when a spam bot makes it's rounds.

RMT is huge business and there may be some amongst us arguing against preventive measures.

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RMT is huge business and there may be some amongst us arguing against preventive measures.

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You mean.. it cannot be..

RMT White Knights!? Oh, nooooo!!

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You mean.. it cannot be..

RMT White Knights!? Oh, nooooo!!

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The plot thickens...

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RMT is huge business and there may be some amongst us arguing against preventive measures.

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^ this! I'm ashamed to admit I didn't think of that. /looks around You're all suspect!

RMT affects every game that is popular enough to get people to buy their gil. You can't ever completely get rid of it, just mitigate it best you can. SE does thorough investigations from the reports they receive from the spammers and try to trace back any shifty gil transfers so that they can ban as many of they can. As posted in an earlier screenshot, they're banning people on a weekly basis.

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When one resorts to exaggeration they have lost the debate. Now shoo.

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exaggeration is not fallacy when there is truth behind it, SE has a neighborhood watch system in place and you them to
police everything themselves. You believe SE should take Developers and have them police the game even thought that isn't there job.
they have nothing to do with that part of the game, just has the GM's have nothing to do with Development.
I love your claim to win a non-existing debate with argument from fallacy. :: SlowClap.

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RMT affects every game that is popular enough to get people to buy their gil. You can't ever completely get rid of it, just mitigate it best you can. SE does thorough investigations from the reports they receive from the spammers and try to trace back any shifty gil transfers so that they can ban as many of they can. As posted in an earlier screenshot, they're banning people on a weekly basis.

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There's not much more you can say than this. Wanting an "RMT Police Officer" or whatever is excessive. We're talking about timeframes for people's jobs there.

Besides, RMT isn't illegal. If it were, this would be a bit easier to solve across all games, and even then, it gets a bit more hairy unless it is illegal in all countries. I think there are other games that have it much, much worse than what I've seen here.

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:: SlowClap.

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Your argument is supposition at suggestions & simple resource management. /smh

You are either trolling or an rmt advocate.

Breaking it down: What's being done is not solving the problem. Therefore, do something different.

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1. Option in the settings to chosse from whom you can receive the tells: anyone / friend & FC only / players you've sent tell to "recently" (in current session) / noone
2. Possibility to to set your own local dictionary based chat filter so you can filter out the most obvious crap or stuf you're not interested into - e.g. not only RMT but some of the LFG, LFM, ATMA, crafter's shout and so on.

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Both horrible ideas. This game's community is already anti-social enough.

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Your argument is supposition at suggestions & simple resource management. /smh

You are either trolling or an rmt advocate.

Breaking it down: What's being done is not solving the problem. Therefore, do something different.

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in 25+ years off mmo's nobody has stopped RMT. you can slow it down and usually burden your player base in the process.
SE is not going to come up with some silver bullet to stop it. Your argument is to stop development on area's of the game that
you personally don't like to pour more resource in to hole that will never be filled in the first place. you may not like some areas
of the game but people had been asking for this stuff, SE is trying to deliver.

implying supposition where there is none, then going ad hominem does not improve your argument.

lulz. There are more posts calling for a solution to RMT issues than there are about adding new hairstyles or about pvp. Fact. Who asked for transmutation? No one.

And you're exaggerating again, so that's another loss.

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lulz. There are more posts calling for a solution to RMT issues than there are about adding new hairstyles or about pvp. Fact. Who asked for transmutation? No one.

And you're exaggerating again, so that's another loss.

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No nobody is asking for any of this stuff, Don't feel like going back to the last letter for the question for improving crafting.
Here's some hair stuff from just the first page of the coming live letter.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2096220

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2096335

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2096335

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2096579

The only way to eliminate RMT is to make it unprofitable.

SE could easily sell a game-time item on their website that people can sell for gil in the game so that folks will have a way to get gil with real money without paying the RMT people.

If it's not profitable, they won't sell gil anymore.

Man, you're bored.

I see your point but lives letter questions are a completely different thing in my opinion. I believe it has been said before that SE will not discuss how they try to combat the RMT situation. That would defeat the purpose.

General forum discussion is a better example of the day to day concerns that crop up in the game.

Wow!

GM’s have been reportedly seen in-game hunting bots down and throwing them into the fires of Oblivion. No, seriously.

http://www.pcgamesn.com/elderscrolls...d-farming-bots

http://www.vg247.com/2014/04/30/elde...gold-spammers/

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Man, you're bored.

I see your point but lives letter questions are a completely different thing in my opinion. I believe it has been said before that SE will not discuss how they try to combat the RMT situation. That would defeat the purpose.

General forum discussion is a better example of the day to day concerns that crop up in the game.

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enjoying your banter.. not bored, at least you have some spirit. I really don't think things likes showing your roe, or
making fat humes are really on the minds of most players. I see general discuss as a vocal, minor part of the community
that complain about just about anything. the only complaint I seen lately I agree with is Atma farming is too random.
there is really no reason it should be such a grind since the animus quest is already grindy without the frustration of RNG added to it.

The best part is that my server (Diabolos) is locked for character creation, so my RL friends are playing on other servers until they're allowed to create characters on mine. But I'll still get 5-10 RMTs added to my blacklist every single day, depending on how much I'm online. Current count is 6 B-Listed, one of which was deleted. Only 2 reasons make any sense.
1) RMTs already have several hundred characters created on my server before it was creation-locked, that haven't been account banned yet, and they're just using up several of them each day
2) RMTs are able to bypass the character creation lock
At the time of this post, the NA Servers of Balmung, Behemoth, Diabolos, Hyperion, Exodus, Excalibur, Gilgamesh , Leviathan, Ultros, & Sargatanas are all locked. So if you're blacklisting new spammers everyday, there's probably a VERY major problem. (INB4: Locked statuses get updated 5 times a day)

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the only complaint I seen lately I agree with is Atma farming is too random.
there is really no reason it should be such a grind since the animus quest is already grindy without the frustration of RNG added to it.

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On that topic... I didn't mind the atma grind. It was nice to have some "old school" mmo style mechanics for a change. Rather than the neon billboard saying "I'm an NPC with a quest! Talk to me & I'll give you loots!"

Managed to finish FATE achievements I missed leveling up, made a ton of seals for ventures...

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The best part is that my server (Diabolos) is locked for character creation, so my RL friends are playing on other servers until they're allowed to create characters on mine. But I'll still get 5-10 RMTs added to my blacklist every single day, depending on how much I'm online. Current count is 6 B-Listed, one of which was deleted

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Diabolos is currently open
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...06d0909189e479

Tell your friends that they can now create characters on your sever before the list get updated again

I want to chime in here about everybody who wants /tell to be restricted to friends. I think this is a pretty anti-social idea, and actually way more annoying that dealing with RMT spammers. Friends lists would get quickly bogged down, and you could always argue "well, for short term conversations you could just add someone to your list, and then remove them later", but does that really seem more efficient than simply ignoring the spammer and going on with your day?

I agree that something needs to be done about this, but I don't have a great solution that doesn't make the game a little bit worse. SE bans thousands of RMT accounts at a time, rather frequently. As long as people are buying gil, though, RMT will continue to have a presence. Expecting it to be eliminated is like trying to get advertisers to stop showing their ads. Fat chance, and just a fact of life that has to be dealt with.

I think most of the accounts RMT use are probably legitimate accounts that they have obtained access to illegitimately, or accounts purchased from players who have quit the game see RMT as a way to get some money back. Banning legitimate accounts is tricky business, since the original account holder is likely unaware there account has even been compromised. Once RMT have an account, new characters are created on various servers for specific purposes. Farming, Spamming, etc.

I think people generally underestimate how sophisticated RMT is. They know how to do what they do very well, and they have operations in hundreds of online games. They've learned over the years how to not get caught. Whatever you try to throw at them, they learn how to get around it.

I call BS on anything SE said they have done to detour RMT. My blacklist is full after 3 weeks subscription and im still getting a tell every 30 seconds.
There is plenty they could do to slow down the harassment, stuff that would not have any negative impact on players.
The most widely suggested being 1. a privacy filter for private messages and 2. a small delay in how often you can send a /tell, even a 1 second delay would cut the spam to a tolerable level. Neither of would take the devs more than a day to implement into the game.

They just have to tweak the server and prevent a person to send wisp to more than 5/10 different people (who are not in your friend-list or guild) per hour.
There is no valid or legit reason who can explain why the server let rtm send hundred of wisps per minutes.