Wedding service in FFXIV

in game weddings are nerd ><

EDIT: go to New York and have a rl wedding

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Originally Posted by elreed

in game weddings are nerd ><

EDIT: go to New York and have a rl wedding

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You're playing an MMORPG and calling in game weddings nerd? lol come on now. Pot callin' kettle.

I can't believe that someone would take the time to write a huge post just to bash on gay marriages ... especially when it's about in-game marriage. And I think this was already expressed, but what are the last three letters of MMORPG? It stands for role-playing game for those who don't know. So why can't players role-play that their gay? Or be who they really are if they're that way in real life?

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Originally Posted by Chezen

(Massive wall of text)

*rubs temples*

nonsense.

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For the record, AIDS and HIV is more prevelant in the heterosexual society now thank you very much. This has nothing to do with gay marriage or any type of marriage to begin with. I DON'T have a psychological disorder, YES I'm attracted to other men, NO it has nothing to do with my family, and NO it certainly is not my hormones acting up.

Who says what's normal in this society? We kill each other now a days for the fun of things, but it's a HORRIBLE disgusting crime for same sex marriage? Man, now I KNOW the world is going to end in 2012

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

For the record, AIDS and HIV is more prevelant in the heterosexual society now thank you very much. This has nothing to do with gay marriage or any type of marriage to begin with. I DON'T have a psychological disorder, YES I'm attracted to other men, NO it has nothing to do with my family, and NO it certainly is not my hormones acting up.

Who says what's normal in this society? We kill each other now a days for the fun of things, but it's a HORRIBLE disgusting crime for same sex marriage? Man, now I KNOW the world is going to end in 2012

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I already knew the world was going to end. My credit card predicted it. The expiration date is 12/12.

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Originally Posted by elreed

in game weddings are nerd ><

EDIT: go to New York and have a rl wedding

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I knew i would be flamed for that LOL, im not against gay marriage, but in my op. in game weddings are a nice add, but not so important, come on your talking about getting married in a game wtf, i get immersion by playing a class doing the best i can in the heat of battle not in things like getting married or siting on a chair to talk about my aventures.

THIS IS A GAME....

I'm reminded of Peter Molyneux(sp) talking about same sex marriage in Fable, he said it was easier to code it that way instead of going in and creating code to prevent it from happening. So what gets me is there was someone (or multiple people) on FFXI that had to go in and make that code before the wedding ceremonies went live. "Ishikawa! I need that if/then variable that stops same sex marriage from happening ASAP before the patch hits or Vana'diel will crumble!"

@ Chezen, see what I mean by level-headed? You posted something which as you stated, is bound to get you crucified, but you did it an a respectful way, voicing your opinion without instigating or antagonizing anyone. Thank you for that. Now a few thoughts...

Japan's low crime rate...they also have the highest suicide rate in the world. All that pressure to behave a certain way is not necessarily a good thing.

On homosexuality being aberrant...I'm a firm believer that is a genetic mutation...but that doesn't mean it's "wrong." We see this behavior throughout the animal kingdom, with dolphins, monkeys, dogs and many other high-functioning mammals. Yes, the status quo is to gravitate toward heterosexuality to propagate the species, but that doesn't mean the people that are born homosexual should be treated as less than equals because they're the minority.

And it is a genetic thing. To paraphrase the philosopher David Cross (mocking the viewpoint that it is a choice) "And it is a choice. Every gay kid sits in their room one day and says:

You know....
nobody likes me at school.....
and I really have a hard time fitting in......
I'm just so awkward.....
and I have no friends.......

but you know?
Maybe there's something else I can do to invite even more criticism in my life?"

Seriously, no one would willingly invite the negative stigmata and stereotyping associated with homosexuality.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

You're playing an MMORPG and calling in game weddings nerd? lol come on now. Pot callin' kettle.

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Quoting myself from my haiku thread...

Calling others nerds
On the FF forums here
Well, pot, meet kettle.

Homosexuality isn't necessarily a genetic disorder. I know a guy who decided to date guys just because he was sick of the BS that he got with girls. I don't know if they had sex or anything, but I at least know they dated ...

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Originally Posted by elreed

in game weddings are nerd ><

EDIT: go to New York and have a rl wedding

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>Calling others nerds on a FINAL FANTASY MMO forum
>playing mmos
>implying being nerd is a bad thing

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Originally Posted by Xeak

Even if SE refuses to allow same sex marriages, that won't necessarily stop players from doing it. When it's possible to sign items players will hold their own unofficial wedding for same sexes and trade each other signed rings. That's how it was done in FFXI (I knew a lot of gays, bis, and lesbians).

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You mean to tell me there were gays and lesbians in xi who didn't get all self-righteous and preachy in a video-game and despite it they still enjoyed the game and found ways to do things their own way in the massive and beautiful world? Preposterous?!

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

For the record, AIDS and HIV is more prevelant in the heterosexual society now thank you very much.

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Who says what's normal in this society? We kill each other now a days for the fun of things, but it's a HORRIBLE disgusting crime for same sex marriage? Man, now I KNOW the world is going to end in 2012

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That's simply not true at all.

However, I do agree with the rest of your post. It's kind of sad that in this day and age we're STILL dealing with this kind of thing. People should just let people be.

Now, back on topic...

I really hope they implement this. I've seen some really neat implementations of this in other games (usually Korean titles, like Perfect World). Can I have a cuddle emote, please? ^-^

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

That's simply not true at all.

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To say 'that's simply not true' and follow it with a statistic only for the United States isn't very convincing. There's about 5 times the number of people with HIV/AIDS in South Africa than in all the United States.

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Originally Posted by AeraLucis

To say 'that's simply not true' and follow it with a statistic only for the United States isn't very convincing. There's about 5 times the number of people with HIV/AIDS in South Africa than in all the United States.

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I was about to say; but then again, I can't believe HIV/AIDS was even brought into the topic.

MMMMM Rogadyn & Highlander Couples..... If this allows Rogadyn to wear white wedding dresses, then I am for it.

Err.. I swear some people playing this game for the wrong reasons. But, if they ever add a wedding service I hope they add an option to divorce.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Err.. I swear some people playing this game for the wrong reasons. But, if they ever add a wedding service I hope they add an option to divorce.

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Some players just like to role-play their characters. I personally don't like to RP but have no problems with players that enjoy it.

That post about FOX News is hauntingly accurate. It's so much a possible scenario that it's scary :(

Anyway.... Inter-racial marriages, yes please. Who's to say that those can't work as companionships (meaning; no sex for whatever reason), for the people concerned about it being weird/non-realistic/impossible and pulling out the Lala-Roeg card >.>

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, tolerance, diversity and equality for all (gender, racial, sexual, religious etc.) is already here (in varying numbers) and we all are being forced, yes forced, by non aggressive means and campaigning to accept it as a norm. I said forced cause people always needed a nudge when it came to opening to 'new' ideas, to put it like that.
Stopping that would be just plain backwards and impossible. Our world (real life) is evolving and it's delusional thinking it can be kept as it is. Different places move at different speeds of course but it's 'moving'. The changes are imminent and that's that. So, I'd say, the faster you adapt - the faster the rest of your life you'll have to worry and obsess over things that really don't influence or threaten you as much as you like to think they do.

Even though SE is Japanese, and even though Japanese society might be a bit more closed about these issues than the western one, they too will have to open up to this topic eventually. We might not see it in XIV, but eventually it'll happen. One thing to remember is that people are becoming more verbal and more ready to act towards securing their rights to diversity.

I think most people never really gave it a serious, a really serious thought how certain things really affect them and their lives - but rather act upon the preset attitude that they have, that's been planted into them by others and not really themselves. Sometimes it's easier not thinking with your own head and doing by default what seems to be the appropriate thing in the eyes of others.


If all of this scared you :p just remember it's normal to resist, and it's inevitable to surrender :D Kidding, kidding! I just wanted to say enjoy life and it's diversity ;)

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Originally Posted by Kaizlu

Anyhow, there are a lot of points in your post, a lot. This is not a place to discuss homosexuality, or how the family values of the world have come to a turd these days. Not really saying "you shouldn't have posted that!", it's just that there's no point in arguing since the thread would then most likely be closed and burned to the ground.

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I more than agree with you. :) But you can't really just say, "I'm against this." for reasons Eugenics and replies already made clear. As I said when I started, this is a really complicated issue, which is why no one wants to tackle it. I tried the best I could to stay to the topic. Trust me, I could have gone further.

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Correct. SE has no obligation to actually give us same-sex marriage between our characters, but if we are really forgetting our differences ,then what do you care if a male character has a marriage with another male character? I see no way in how it could affect you.

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I do care, but to state why would further go into those complicated topics. For the purposes of SE, my official stance is LS can do what they wish, but official marriage by SE should just be avoided, which I expressed at the end of my post.

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Nobody is debating this. But this doesn't really translate to the world in FFXIV. It's just an example, but most of the "problems" that same-sex marriage has on the real world actually don't affect the in-game world. Death of the human race? No reproduction in FFIXV. My religion? Heck, we have 12 gods in XIV. Kids with two dads in preschool? No kids in XIV.

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Except that this is about agenda. I don't wish to outright point at the previous posts, but they are here in the thread. I don't really want to get into this one too far, because it's a very touchy area, that I know.

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Originally Posted by AeraLucis

There, I just abbreviated your wall of text for everyone so they can know to just move on and not bother with the small minded post.

P.S. getting 'married' isnt special treatment. Its something everyone should have a right to do.

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If I wanted a tldr, I would have made one. Please, if people don't want to bother to read my post, then there is little point in replying to it. And, if you did read it, you would see that it touched on a great many things. In otherwords, I think about a great deal. Which makes "small-minded" a bit out the window.

As for marriage, either you didn't read what I said, or didn't comprehend it. But as Kiazlu pointed out, really getting into that goes more into real-life society. Which is understandably a bit hard to separate in this issue.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

@ Chezen, see what I mean by level-headed? You posted something which as you stated, is bound to get you crucified, but you did it an a respectful way, voicing your opinion without instigating or antagonizing anyone.
Thank you for that.

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Thank you as well. :) I'm not out to hurt anyone, and I try the best I can to be fair, but I'm also strong in my convictions and beliefs. Not, however, without a lot of thought and reflection.

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Japan's low crime rate...they also have the highest suicide rate in the world. All that pressure to behave a certain way is not necessarily a good thing.

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This is very true, and I have thought about that as well. With all due respect to Japan... I think they go too far in the other direction, in which propriety overtakes individual expression too much. But America is on the polar opposite. Love, respect, stability, some individualism, but not so much you don't consider others around you, they are all needed. If you really think about what makes the earth tick, it's all about balances. Too much or too little of anything, things go wrong.

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On homosexuality being aberrant...I'm a firm believer that is a genetic mutation...but that doesn't mean it's "wrong." We see this behavior throughout the animal kingdom, with dolphins, monkeys, dogs and many other high-functioning mammals. Yes, the status quo is to gravitate toward heterosexuality to propagate the species, but that doesn't mean the people that are born homosexual should be treated as less than equals because they're the minority.

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I both agree and do not agree with this statement. Getting really clinical here... genetic mutation is rarely good, almost always it's a breakdown, not something better. It's not something you want to see in general. And getting into the animals... although we do have some similar genetic coding, some more than others, I really don't consider myself an animal... I consider myself a bit higher than that. :) While it's true some animals are capable of making some very intelligent choices, and even learning and passing down some traits that go beyond their instincts, it's still by far and large very different from humans. I expect humans to act with a higher level of thought than animals.

As for being treated as equals... I agree in the sense that no one should be looked down upon and treated differently simply because they are different. For homosexuals in particular, it's difficult because for many people, the first reaction is to be revolted, because it goes against their own hormones and genetics. That has to be hard, and it's no wonder a homosexual would feel shunned and unaccepted. At the same time, no one (this isn't American thought) has the right to cause disorder in a society that would negatively affect it. What I mean by that is, even if it wouldn't be a big deal in your world, if it pulls down society at large, it should be done without. This and more personal beliefs drive my thoughts on this matter, and quite a few others. We are all responsible to each other.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

For the record, AIDS and HIV is more prevelant in the heterosexual society now thank you very much. This has nothing to do with gay marriage or any type of marriage to begin with. I DON'T have a psychological disorder, YES I'm attracted to other men, NO it has nothing to do with my family, and NO it certainly is not my hormones acting up.

Who says what's normal in this society? We kill each other now a days for the fun of things, but it's a HORRIBLE disgusting crime for same sex marriage? Man, now I KNOW the world is going to end in 2012

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Whether or not it is now is irrelevant. It came to light first in gay communities (in America), for a few many years. I was here and alive when it started and saw the newscasts first hand, not to mention it's fairly well documented.

Psychology is certainly not an exact science. You have people in denial, people who don't really understand thier own feelings, people who do know but won't admit anything... etc, etc. It's very hard to pin down something that can't really be put into facts, only generalizations. That's why psychologists make so much.

And it is hormones. That's what makes you attracted to anything in the first place. A chemical reaction that stimulates the sexual organs, triggered by something or someone. And that is exactly why marriage goes far, far beyond who "stimulates" you. But again, big subject that goes beyond homosexuality or the game.

And actually... I hate killing people, even in fake. I'm sure you haven't read my other posts, but I'm not too happy about PvP. But even in my protests on that one, it had as much to do with how it affects society and the community as it did game mechanics reasons. I do understand the desire to compete against each other, and in this game, it's really KO, not kill. So I think that's a little different anyway. Hopefully no one here wants to actually kill someone.

As for normal, I refer to balance of genetics in this particular case. And society is a large part of my points. This isn't about individual expression.

I'm not really sure why this conversation is taking place but I would like to point out a couple of things for the sake of my own sanity..

"Getting really clinical here... genetic mutation is rarely good, almost always it's a breakdown, not something better."

Evolution, as in the advancement of a species, is a series of genetic guess and checks that create mutations. They don't always work, but they always result in the species becoming something greater than it was.

"And getting into the animals... although we do have some similar genetic coding, some more than others, I really don't consider myself an animal... I consider myself a bit higher than that."

Most DNA is practically identical.. Apes are a single chromosome away but most animals still share the majority of their DNA. It is the foundation of life as an organic creature.

"Whether or not it is now is irrelevant. It came to light first in gay communities (in America), for a few many years. I was here and alive when it started and saw the newscasts first hand, not to mention it's fairly well documented."

Cancer started in straight people..

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

After reading about Yoshida confirming that there will be female Rogeadyn, and male Mi'qote available on PS3 release, a thought occurred to me. When FFXIV gets its inevitable wedding service (once the game is brought up to par), will same sex marriage be allowed? And for that matter, will interracial marriages be allowed?

In FFXI, players could only marry players of the opposite sex, which is being seen more and more as a viewpoint from the last generation. With each of the races finally having their own respective mates of the opposite sex, will we be limited to marrying within our own species? Or will we allowed to marry outside of our species, as long as the person we are marrying is of the opposite gender?

These concerns may seem dumb to some, but I remember the issue being hotly contested more than once on FFXI forums, and there is still no same sex marriage allowed in game, much to the chagrin of many of the players.

I never did get married in FFXI, but I know there were people that wanted to marry their Mithras or whatnot and were unable to. I'd hate for something similar to happen in FFXIV and cause frustration for other FF lovers again.

Serious topic. Serious answers only, please.

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are you mentally ill?

i'm not trying to be rude or anything just wanted to know before i reply to your SERIOUS topic

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Originally Posted by Kiote

"Getting really clinical here... genetic mutation is rarely good, almost always it's a breakdown, not something better."

Evolution, as in the advancement of a species, is a series of genetic guess and checks that create mutations. They don't always work, but they always result in the species becoming something greater than it was.

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X-men........ *.*

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

[COLOR="purple"]That's simply not true at all.

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That chart is from 2006. My professor this spring said that it is now not the "gay disease" because it's happening more in heterosexuals.

I mean, I would agree with a college professor on one topic that she probably studies for a living lol.

Anyone here ever play lucent heart? It's an asian mmo you can signup to get paired with a random player who becomes your soulmate. You get buffs for emoting ie hugs kiss etc. There's even a server wide message announcing when two players have their first kiss. Anyways you have the option to choose same gender partners. The world didn't end, no four horsemen outside and no puppies were hurt. I do agree with what others have said, just have marriage be for everyone or don't allow it all.

I'll have to jump in with a different fact. The fact being, stuff like same-sex couples and marriages already exist for a long time, they're present and they can't be ignored. Really, they can't. You have them everywhere politics, pop-culture, media, art, science.... you name it, in just about any aspect of modern society. A thing like that won't just vanish, nor can it be, heaven forbid, forcefully eradicated.

Whether it's good or bad from the genetic/medical/existential point of view doesn't really matter here, I'd dare to say, since it could be easily said the human race, from a genetic mutation standpoint, evolved into something that allows those mutations to exist and function without penalties. Gay people can still opt to have offspring if they so chose. From that point of view, the human race has a secure future, until we overpopulate the planet even more.

Then there's couples straight or gay that don't produce offspring, also sharing the planet and enjoying the same rights as other individuals. Or not, depending where you live, but it's certainly moving towards that at a slow pace. And this is the sociological aspect of it. People wanting to transfer that part of their reality into a game is just a natural extension of their real lives. They are a big part of modern society, which for the most part revolves around sex and hormones anyway. I could elaborate if needed, but I'll stop here before I stray too far in one post.

The main thing here is not whether you and I think what's right or wrong, it's whether SE thinks a thing like including same-sex marriages will raise their $$$ or diminish it, versus general company image. If they figure the tolerance towards the subject will be satisfactory (the people opposing it are lower than the ones supporting) and the number of bonus points and new players they'll get is worth it (new players come in bigger numbers than the people opposing this) they'll make a decision with less brain strain.

Frankly, the Japanese aren't exactly 'strangers to danger' either, when it comes to this particular topic. Much like some other things today, the topic of homosexuality has become a touchy one (hell, there's still prejudice towards people with tattoos in most parts of the world) but they do have a nice history of it: link

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Originally Posted by Phrozen

are you mentally ill?

i'm not trying to be rude or anything just wanted to know before i reply to your SERIOUS topic

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There really isn't any indication that he is anything but serious.

As for myself, there really is not any good reason they shouldn't allow marriage between gay people.
Unless of course they want to be marriage hipsters.

As Dante J.T. Shepherd of Surviving the World fame put it:
"Some people say that allowing gays to marry will destroy the sanctity of marriage. That's like saying that marriage was cool until other people got to do it too. So essentially, those people are marriage hipsters. There might be a solid law-based argument behind their belief, but it's pretty scarce, and we havent heard of it."

I really don't understand at ALL how people are against it in an RPG.
How dare you role play in a role playing game! YOU HEATHEN!

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Originally Posted by NaBluiri

I really don't understand at ALL how people are against it in an RPG.
How dare you role play in a role playing game! YOU HEATHEN!

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My thoughts exactly ...

It's getting late and I'm getting tired, so this will likely be my last post.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Evolution, as in the advancement of a species, is a series of genetic guess and checks that create mutations. They don't always work, but they always result in the species becoming something greater than it was.

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Not only do I not believe in evolution, at least in the sense that people often give it, the theory is one of the most preposterous ideas ideas of mankind, imo. You cannot breath life in lifeless genetic material. It must have the genetics to do so in the first place (cloning). On top of that, things break down, way more than anything that might be considered "up". Over time, everything turns back to dust.

More than that... just where did the dust come from? The genetic material? The chemical makeup? Do you have the answers to those? They just happened to arrange themselves in a proper and exact order? I think not. One chromosome off in humans, and you have downsyndrome. As complex as our bodies are, the goo would have never gotten off the ground.

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Most DNA is practically identical.. Apes are a single chromosome away but most animals still share the majority of their DNA. It is the foundation of life as an organic creature.

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You're getting further down into chemical makeup. We share the same genetic material make-up, but gorilla dna is distinct from dog is distinct from human. But beyond that is our ability to think and create, far beyond what any animal can do.

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Cancer started in straight people..

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Cancer is not an STD. It is, in fact, further breakdown of our bodies, mutations that are not good. I doubt it's from any one source, which is why scientists are having trouble pinpointing it.

Edit: I realized you might have been talking about cervical cancer, which simply links back to the overall sexual activity I mentioned in my first post.

Sorry I if I sound a tiny bit snippy now, as I said I'm getting tired.

They would have to allow gay marrage tho . . . . . . . . to be fair and make no judgment on sexual preferences.

It really astounds me that some people can be so certain of their fabricated "Scientific evidence" while refuting the basis of most science their entire ideas are founded on. Not only this, but considers themselves intellectual enlightened while truly just blinding themselves with a self-righteous light.

Instead of just spewing Nonsense, I'm going to address a point brought up by Chezen.

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At the same time, no one (this isn't American thought) has the right to cause disorder in a society that would negatively affect it. What I mean by that is, even if it wouldn't be a big deal in your world, if it pulls down society at large, it should be done without.

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Well darn. America was founded by liberating itself from Britain, You must really hate it then, since it goes far against your personal beliefs.

As the intelligent non close minded person you are, I'd like you to just sit back and really read what you just wrote. That's the scary kind of sentence that people fear when they think of an idea like Communism. "It's not like the rest of us, we don't like the idea of it, but it makes us uncomfortable: GET RID OF IT."

I really don't even understand why this is a hot-topic issue. All of the responses about Daddy telling you it's bad, or how offensive it is to you are just unjustified viewpoints. Everyone is entitled to your opinion, But I ask you to do me three things.

1. Put yourself in their shoes. Do unto others as you want done onto you.

2. Sit back and think "Why does this anger me, or make me uncomfortable?!"

3. Never say "I can't make a difference" Cause it starts with one person. Look back at our society, We've been through this with race differences, sex differences, and they all end in equality eventually. Make the difference and start with yourself.




P.S- Give me my goddamn Summoner before you let ANYONE get married D:

i think it would be cool to be able to get married in xiv i never did get married in 11 but i hear it was cool. expensive but cool. i do remember it being super crazy expensive to do it.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

Do you really know why same-sex marriage wasn't allowed in FFXI? It's probably the exact same thing holding it back from FFXIV, which is to say the Japanese aren't entirely cool with the idea(more like they find it outrageous), and being that FFXIV is a Japanese game, well there you go.

Not to mention that as much as it boggles the mind, same sex marriage is still a red button topic for a lot of societies, and game developers would rather avoid that kind of flak.

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this is basically what i was gonna say. well put.

edit just because i had to.

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At the same time, no one (this isn't American thought) has the right to cause disorder in a society that would negatively affect it. What I mean by that is, even if it wouldn't be a big deal in your world, if it pulls down society at large, it should be done without.

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this is appalling to me.
Iran is currently in the works of outlawing dog ownership in the entire country because it promotes vulgar western practices.... do you really think their people shouldnt AT LEAST stand up for their right to own a dog and walk it down the street? this, in my opinion, is reason enough to rise above your government.
Human rights are violated throughout this world and that is reason enough for each person to rise above their government and fix it. its how things change man..... >.>

Yeah, basically, I just want a tux.

I really don't see how people have a problem with the "I can't marry my own gender!" This is a game where the lore involves men+women...not women+women. Sorry, but if you want same sex marriages, come back to reality and go to Cali.

or we can all just focus on chatting with friends, killing mobs, scouring dungeons, raising chocos, and making armour.... sounds purty gewd da me!

I really believe it should be players choice, I for one have no problem with same sex coupling however I do see how it could be a risque move for a company like SE.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I really don't see how people have a problem with the "I can't marry my own gender!" This is a game where the lore involves men+women...not women+women. Sorry, but if you want same sex marriages, come back to reality and go to Cali.

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Yeahhhhh....about that, California actually doesn't allow same-sex marriage currently.
What was that about coming back to reality again?
:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California

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Originally Posted by NaBluiri

Yeahhhhh....about that, California actually doesn't allow same-sex marriage currently.
What was that about coming back to reality again?
:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California

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BUT that is where it is most commonly protested.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

There are three reasons to be homosexual that come to mind.

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This is where I stopped reading. Once you realize that it's not a choice, all your points are moot. Just say that you don't agree and move on, please.

Theres no need for weddings in this game... Its just a waste of devlopers/GM time and hassle for them to even help you set up a Wedding up.

Noone really cares if you get marryed. It means nothing.

I really dont wanna see this happen to FFXIV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuM8Z...eature=related

Get marryed in real life. /end